Nankang vs Starmaxx tyres

dmc17

Zimmerframe wrote: »

The only thing I would put Nankangs on, is the 'auld fella's silage cover.

You'd want to tie them down well or they'd slip off!

quadrifoglio verde

ba_barabus wrote: »

Tracking has been done to death as has trips to the dealer. As the suspension is currently clunk free I'm leaving that alone. I'll consider power flex when the time comes.

I have the steel wheels for it but I'll never remove my alloys.

Yes the tracking may have been done to death, but the powerflex bushes allow you to adjust the camber, which stops the inside wear. I'd say it'd be best to contact autolusso as they developed them with powerflex and could do a lot more justice for them than I could ever do. But if you do upgrade the fronts and find someone who can do the adjustments competently you won't have the tyre wear problem that you currently have. It's the solution that most on alfaowner have found to have worked for them.

I found devoys in Carlow to be great for tracking, anyone who's worked on the rear suspension of a gtv know how simple it is to do :pac:

Pov06

Had a set of Nankangs on my Yaris. The tread wore really really slowly on them but it was clear why this was the case... Wheelspinning at every traffic light in the wet

Replaced them with Hankooks a few days ago, SUCH an improvement.

Mind you, they were quite decent in the dry.

ba_barabus

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Yes the tracking may have been done to death, but the powerflex bushes allow you to adjust the camber, which stops the inside wear. I'd say it'd be best to contact autolusso as they developed them with powerflex and could do a lot more justice for them than I could ever do. But if you do upgrade the fronts and find someone who can do the adjustments competently you won't have the tyre wear problem that you currently have. It's the solution that most on alfaowner have found to have worked for them.

I found devoys in Carlow to be great for tracking, anyone who's worked on the rear suspension of a gtv know how simple it is to do :pac:

I reckon financially it isn't worth it tbh. Now handling is a different story but I have a wedding to pay for now

John2009

Hi just a quick query, i bought 4 Vredestein Sportrac 5 tyres for my car and went for the ratings 88 H XL

These tyres are just for a small 1.4 petrol hatchback, is the 88 H XL overkill for my car?

I got a lot of suspension work done on the car and sometimes it feels like my car is rolling on 4 concrete drums,

commited

If you're looking for budget, have a look at Falken FK453s or Hankook K115/k120s

ba_barabus

commited wrote: »

If you're looking for budget, have a look at Falken FK453s or Hankook K115/k120s

Hankook are no longer budget. I've never found falken cheap or good. I've been very disappointed with them in the past.

CiniO

So eventually decision had been made, and I bought a set of Nankang N20.
I read various reviews, and people seem to say they are comparable with premium brands.
I was nearly ready to buy Starmaxx (they are Turkish brand), as they have really high EU tyre rating, but due to their small popularity and virtually no reviews anywhere, I decided not to be guinea pig, even though they might be actually great tyres.
It's probably going to be another month when I have them put on, but I'll come back here to write a review after few weeks of using them Nankangs

mickdw

They will be ok but won't do great mileage

CiniO

Pov06 wrote: »

Had a set of Nankangs on my Yaris. The tread wore really really slowly on them but it was clear why this was the case... Wheelspinning at every traffic light in the wet

mickdw wrote: »

They will be ok but won't do great mileage

So now - which one is true?

Pov06

Whoever you'd like to trust

I ended up throwing out my Nankangs with 3 mm tread and they were a 2008 tyre :pac:

They may be decent at the start but be careful on roundabouts as time goes on.

mickdw

CiniO wrote: »

So now - which one is true?

Ns2 are the only ones I've experienced.
be sure to report back.
I've seen a set on an audi R8 that used to be in ballina. While that's quite shameful, if they were as bad as some people say, that car wouldn't get down the road.

Pov06

I'm sure an R8 would be able to spin any tyre anyway.

Stick 2 sets of tyres on a low power car and you'll quickly see a big difference between tyres.

mickdw

Pov06 wrote: »

I'm sure an R8 would be able to spin any tyre anyway.

Stick 2 sets of tyres on a low power car and you'll quickly see a big difference between tyres.

There is more to tyres than whether they will spin at the lights on a wet road on a yaris.
I bought a TT that had them fitted.
Found them quite soft compound wise and quite soft sidewall wise. They were good in the dry and about average in the wet.
I found they wore quickly and unevenly.

ShaunieVW

same size tyres as me, I got Uniroyal RainSport 3's for 88 a corner. Miles ahead of Nankang(ditch finders).

landmarkjohn

I had a pair of Nankang NSII on the front of an automatic 2.5 V6, lasted 25K miles and couldn't fault them, never had a grip issue with normal driving, motor way speeds, wet weather.... if I could have them every time I would.

I think the tyre guys sometimes don't like them because they last too long!

ba_barabus

You can really tell how Shyte a tyre is if you fit it to the rear. More likely to loose grip quicker.....

CiniO

So a little update.
I got the tyres fitted few weeks ago.
Eventually I went for Nankangs (size 225/45/R17).
They were 272 from oponeo for a set + 50 for fitting = €322
Tread on them was 8mm, which is very good compared with Riken's I had previously which only had 6mm when new - which surely accounted for quick wear I suffered on them.

I've done just over 1000km on those Nankangs, and I must say I'm happy with them.
On dry they provide excellent grip, but that's nothing special, as most tyres do, except from some real sh1te ones.
On wet surface, I can not fault them. I'd say they provide at least 80% if not 90% of grip of the premium brands like Michelin or Goodyear, for half the price.
Road noise is bit loud. Similar to what I had with Rikens, but noticable louder than on Bridgestones.
Fuel consumption increased by about 0.5 l/100km. Now I'm not sure if this is tyres fault. Could be as well some problem with the car. I did servicing on it the same time I changed tyres, but actually doubt new oil and filters could cause increased fuel consumption. This weekend I'm changing to winter tyres, so I'll know for sure if increased fuel consumption is caused by nankang tyres or something else.

In general though, I'm rather happy with them, and considering I mostly drive on "surface dressing" type of roads, where tyres wear at crazy pace but provide very good grip compared to normally surfaced roads, those Nankangs are pretty much all I need.

FrontDoor

CiniO wrote: »

They were 272 from oponeo for a set + 50 for fitting = €322

Did you have much bother with this?

I've been ringing around the last few days for a similar service and when the guy on the other end gets over the fact I don't want an Ovation tyre, he collapses again at the idea I might just want him to fit them.

Cyrus

CiniO wrote: »

So a little update.
I got the tyres fitted few weeks ago.
Eventually I went for Nankangs (size 225/45/R17).
They were 272 from oponeo for a set + 50 for fitting = €322
Tread on them was 8mm, which is very good compared with Riken's I had previously which only had 6mm when new - which surely accounted for quick wear I suffered on them.

I've done just over 1000km on those Nankangs, and I must say I'm happy with them.
On dry they provide excellent grip, but that's nothing special, as most tyres do, except from some real sh1te ones.
On wet surface, I can not fault them. I'd say they provide at least 80% if not 90% of grip of the premium brands like Michelin or Goodyear, for half the price.
Road noise is bit loud. Similar to what I had with Rikens, but noticable louder than on Bridgestones.
Fuel consumption increased by about 0.5 l/100km. Now I'm not sure if this is tyres fault. Could be as well some problem with the car. I did servicing on it the same time I changed tyres, but actually doubt new oil and filters could cause increased fuel consumption. This weekend I'm changing to winter tyres, so I'll know for sure if increased fuel consumption is caused by nankang tyres or something else.

In general though, I'm rather happy with them, and considering I mostly drive on "surface dressing" type of roads, where tyres wear at crazy pace but provide very good grip compared to normally surfaced roads, those Nankangs are pretty much all I need.

Any proper test I've seen puts their wet grip way behind decent Bridgestone or continental tyres

CiniO

Cyrus wrote: »

Any proper test I've seen puts their wet grip way behind decent Bridgestone or continental tyres

Any links?
I'm just expressing my own feedback of those tyres.
And just to say - I do drive fast and I'm very often on the border of skidding and sometimes over that border - so I do know what grip tyres provide.

CiniO

FrontDoor wrote: »

Did you have much bother with this?

I've been ringing around the last few days for a similar service and when the guy on the other end gets over the fact I don't want an Ovation tyre, he collapses again at the idea I might just want him to fit them.

Well I have a guy in my area which is always happy to fit set of tyres for 50 quid.
But in general it's problematic in Ireland to have your tyres fitted at the garage if you don't buy them there.

Kevin McCloud

CiniO wrote: »

This weekend I'm changing to winter tyres, so I'll know for sure if increased fuel consumption is caused by nankang tyres or something else.

Is there a reason for this or you living outside Ireland?

Cyrus

CiniO wrote: »

Any links?
I'm just expressing my own feedback of those tyres.
And just to say - I do drive fast and I'm very often on the border of skidding and sometimes over that border - so I do know what grip tyres provide.

http://www.rezulteo-tyres.ie/nankang-tyres/ns-2-ultra-sport-tyre/test-review-356714

Cyrus

Cyrus wrote: »

http://www.rezulteo-tyres.ie/nankang-tyres/ns-2-ultra-sport-tyre/test-review-356714

Dangerously long wet braking distance say autobild

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Auto-Bild-20-inch-Tyre-Test.htm

CiniO

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Is there a reason for this or you living outside Ireland?

There is a reason - I live in Ireland but I'm driving over to the continent in nearest future.

CiniO

Cyrus wrote: »

http://www.rezulteo-tyres.ie/nankang-tyres/ns-2-ultra-sport-tyre/test-review-356714

Cyrus wrote: »

Dangerously long wet braking distance say autobild

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Auto-Bild-20-inch-Tyre-Test.htm

These are Nankank NS-2
I have Nankang NS-20
Different tyre.

FrontDoor

CiniO wrote: »

Well I have a guy in my area which is always happy to fit set of tyres for 50 quid.
But in general it's problematic in Ireland to have your tyres fitted at the garage if you don't buy them there.

Anybody in the midwest?

Any tyre guy I ask seems to think it is pure madness to put on decent brand.

bazz26

FrontDoor wrote: »

Anybody in the midwest?

Any tyre guy I ask seems to think it is pure madness to put on decent brand.

Limerick Tyre Centre in the yard across the road from the Toyota Dealer in Raheen have no problem fitting tyres I've bought online.

FrontDoor

bazz26 wrote: »

Limerick Tyre Centre in the yard across the road from the Toyota Dealer in Raheen have no problem fitting tyres I've bought online.

Cheers!

Cyrus

CiniO wrote: »

These are Nankank NS-2
I have Nankang NS-20
Different tyre.

Same thing noted here with those

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2010-European-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

Nangkang don't do good tyres at least where wet braking distances are involved

dmc17

I got these Matadors for €90 a corner fitted in the same size. Made in France and much better reviews.

CiniO

Cyrus wrote: »

Same thing noted here with those

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2010-European-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

Nangkang don't do good tyres at least where wet braking distances are involved

Well, it's all very relative.
I just presented my own opinion on tyres I got fitted to my car.

Tyre industry is huge business, and IMO most tests are sponsored, and results are not true.

F.e. in link you provided, Continentals got 2.9 points for wet grip, while Nankang got only 1.2. Seems like huge difference.

But in this link (btw from the same website), Nankang end up with 33.8 metres wet braking, while Continental got 31.7 metres.
Here difference is not that big really, and considering Nankang are twice cheaper than Continentals, I find it hardly worth investing in Continentals.

Same issue with winter tyres.
Huge marketing (especially around the continent) convincing people that winter tyres perform better below 7 degrees, so once temperatures stall falling to 7 or below, you should change to winters.

I actually did change to winter tyres today, and at 9 degrees, on wet they were absolutely disasterous. No grip at all, I was skidding like on ice.
I know they get better at lower temperatures, but from my experience, the border temperature at which winter tyres start providing better grip than summer tyres is below 0, not 7 degrees.
But surely if tyre industry guys told us that winter tyres are crap above 0, then they would sell much less.

All big marketing, and when choosing tyres, you just have to rely on people's opinions, not sponsored tests.

Cyrus

CiniO wrote: »

Well, it's all very relative.
I just presented my own opinion on tyres I got fitted to my car.

Tyre industry is huge business, and IMO most tests are sponsored, and results are not true.

F.e. in link you provided, Continentals got 2.9 points for wet grip, while Nankang got only 1.2. Seems like huge difference.

But in this link (btw from the same website), Nankang end up with 33.8 metres wet braking, while Continental got 31.7 metres.
Here difference is not that big really, and considering Nankang are twice cheaper than Continentals, I find it hardly worth investing in Continentals.

Same issue with winter tyres.
Huge marketing (especially around the continent) convincing people that winter tyres perform better below 7 degrees, so once temperatures stall falling to 7 or below, you should change to winters.

I actually did change to winter tyres today, and at 9 degrees, on wet they were absolutely disasterous. No grip at all, I was skidding like on ice.
I know they get better at lower temperatures, but from my experience, the border temperature at which winter tyres start providing better grip than summer tyres is below 0, not 7 degrees.
But surely if tyre industry guys told us that winter tyres are crap above 0, then they would sell much less.

All big marketing, and when choosing tyres, you just have to rely on people's opinions, not sponsored tests.

Two metres isn't a big difference ??? Are you serious