Manchester United vs Everton Match Thread. 5/10/'14 k/o 12.00 BT Sport.

Liam McPoyle

I dont expect us to challenge for the title this year, Jose and the boys will run away it. I do however expect us to finish top 4. We look like such a dangerous attacking force but defensively we invited Everton in and only for the DDG show at best we would have gotten a draw.

Nice break now, hopefully get some of the injured players back to fitness and build from there.

westernfrenzy

Feels good to be back in the CL spots again.

Zico

Utd still look very vulnerable. DDG despite all the praise for his shot stopping is unable or unwilling to help his defence out by commanding the area and coming for crosses, I thought a keeper like VDS would have taken the ball or Naismith's head or both rather than stand like a bloody statue on the line.

For all his critics I thought Valencia did a decent job today highlighted by the near fatal appearance of Fellaini. It might preserve his value more if Utd didn't play him.

Fuhrer

Zico wrote: »

Utd still look very vulnerable. DDG despite all the praise for his shot stopping is unable or unwilling to help his defence out by commanding the area and coming for crosses, I thought a keeper like VDS would have taken the ball or Naismith's head or both rather than stand like a bloody statue on the line.

For all his critics I thought Valencia did a decent job today highlighted by the near fatal appearance of Fellaini. It might preserve his value more if Utd didn't play him.

United still have 3 senior centre backs out injured

Shanotheslayer

It be great if we could go through one match thread, without Liverpool/United ****e coming into every poxy thread. Pathetic.

Billy86

Zico wrote: »

I thought a keeper like VDS would have taken the ball or Naismith's head or both

Cross came quickly from a very deep angle, no keeper in the world goes for that or else they wind up in no man's land.

keeponhurling

Positives:
3 points
Falcao is off the mark
McNair again quality
Blind's best game so far

Negatives:
Another defensive injury? (Shaw)
Mata didn't really take his chance at no.10
RVP was worryingly poor

niallo27

Anyone else think de gea's last save was just a normal save you expect any decent keeper to make. It was no where near the corner and he actually dived under it. Like liverpool the result is more important so winning games you don't deserve to is what it's all about.

How Soon Is Now

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

It be great if we could go through one match thread, without Liverpool/United ****e coming into every poxy thread. Pathetic.

I'm not even joking if the mods could do one thing in here it would be to stop all this bull**** in match thread for Liverpool or United matchs. It's getting ****ing boring now.

Pyjamarama

Fuhrer wrote: »

United still have 3 senior centre backs out injured

Are they better than the ones out there?!?

8-10

niallo27 wrote: »

Anyone else think de gea's last save was just a normal save you expect any decent keeper to make. It was no where near the corner and he actually dived under it. Like liverpool the result is more important so winning games you don't deserve to is what it's all about.

He had been on the ground after Barry's shot coming off Blackett's backside so he got up well and it was a good save. Not world class or anything but far from routine, a very good save that needed to be made

PhlegmyMoses

niallo27 wrote: »

Anyone else think de gea's last save was just a normal save you expect any decent keeper to make. It was no where near the corner and he actually dived under it. Like liverpool the result is more important so winning games you don't deserve to is what it's all about.

He had to get up from the ground to make it. I would expect him to make it though.

I think it's harsh to say we didn't deserve that though. Best team for 85 mins

niallo27

8-10 wrote: »

He had been on the ground after Barry's shot coming off Blackett's backside so he got up well and it was a good save. Not world class or anything but far from routine, a very good save that needed to be made

Ya it was a good save but one you would be disappointed with if he left in.

Schwiiing

niallo27 wrote: »

Anyone else think de gea's last save was just a normal save you expect any decent keeper to make. It was no where near the corner and he actually dived under it. Like liverpool the result is more important so winning games you don't deserve to is what it's all about.

You're desperate to get something from this mach thread aren't you? :pac:

keeponhurling

Am I right in thinking DDG's record at saving penalties isn't great?
Can't remember him saving too many before today

Fuhrer

keeponhurling wrote: »

Am I right in thinking DDG's record at saving penalties isn't great?
Can't remember him saving too many before today

I remember him saving one during the 8-3, cant think of any others

niallo27

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

He had to get up from the ground to make it. I would expect him to make it though.

I think it's harsh to say we didn't deserve that though. Best team for 85 mins

Everton had their spells too. Maybe utd shaded it. Everton probably created the best chances with limited possession.

Billy86

niallo27 wrote: »

Anyone else think de gea's last save was just a normal save you expect any decent keeper to make. It was no where near the corner and he actually dived under it. Like liverpool the result is more important so winning games you don't deserve to is what it's all about.

Doubtful he could even see the shot coming until it was right in front of him, a crowded penalty area can be a keepers worst enemy of those kinds of shots.

niallo27

Schwiiing wrote: »

You're desperate to get something from this mach thread aren't you? :pac:

Not really just calling it as I see it.

PhlegmyMoses

niallo27 wrote: »

Everton had their spells too. Maybe utd shaded it. Everton probably created the best chances with limited possession.

Their spell was last 10 mins. Their goal came from nothing.

I think we watched a different match

niallo27

The block by Blackett was just as important as the save as well. He launched himself in front of the ball.

keeponhurling

Fuhrer wrote: »

I remember him saving one during the 8-3, cant think of any others

Ok apparently he has faced 10 penalties at united including today, and saved 3

Not too bad I guess

This is his first peno save of 2014

niallo27

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Their spell was last 10 mins. Their goal came from nothing.

I think we watched a different match

When a team loses 2-1. Misses a penalty and the opposition keeper is arguably man of the match you could argue they deserved something from the game.

PhlegmyMoses

keeponhurling wrote: »

Ok apparently he has faced 10 penalties at united including today, and saved 3

Not too bad I guess

This is his first peno save of 2014

I have no reference point for whether that is a good ratio, but I think I'd be pretty happy if he kept up a 30% save rate for pens.

PhlegmyMoses

niallo27 wrote: »

When a team loses 2-1. Misses a penalty and the opposition keeper is arguably man of the match you could argue they deserved something from the game.

When a team loses 2-1.....

dubrov

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Their spell was last 10 mins. Their goal came from nothing.

I think we watched a different match

Everton dominated the last 15.
Don't think United dominated the first 75 but they shaded it.

I wouldn't be too positive on that performance if I was a United fan

niallo27

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

When a team loses 2-1.....

You can get something from a game without deserving it. Football would be **** otherwise.

Liam McPoyle

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Their spell was last 10 mins. Their goal came from nothing.

I think we watched a different match

Not a different match man, you were just wearing the wrong glasses.

PhlegmyMoses

dubrov wrote: »

Everton dominated the last 15.
Don't think United dominated the first 75 but they shaded it.

I wouldn't be too positive on that performance if I was a United fan

I'm not being overly positive. And Everton's first real chance after the Falcao goal was on 84 minutes. Losing team peppers the goal in last 10 minutes is hardly cause for major concern either.

Shanotheslayer

Schwiiing wrote: »

You're desperate to get something from this mach thread aren't you? :pac:

The Peno was terrible, really weak from Baines and unlike him. 100% Keeper should save that if he guesses the right way.

PhlegmyMoses

niallo27 wrote: »

You can get something from a game without deserving it. Football would be **** otherwise.

But United deserved it. Where arw we going here?

keeponhurling

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I have no reference point for whether that is a good ratio, but I think I'd be pretty happy if he kept up a 30% save rate for pens.

Also I suppose it depends on the quality of penalties you face , so hard to say

shrewdness

keeponhurling wrote: »

Am I right in thinking DDG's record at saving penalties isn't great?
Can't remember him saving too many before today

He saved one from RVP early in his Utd career, can't think of another of the top of my head. But how many keepers actually have a good penalty save ratio? The advantage is always with the penalty taker.

Timmyctc

niallo27 wrote: »

When a team loses 2-1. Misses a penalty and the opposition keeper is arguably man of the match you could argue they deserved something from the game.

You couldn't argue that at all. Firstly they didn't miss the penalty in that DdG saved it. (Wasn't a pen imo either) The only way a team deserved something and dont get it is when they have a legit goal disallowed unfairly. Or concede an equally unfair goal etc.
Everton scored less goals than United. Therefore they didn't deserve anything.

You deserve what you earn and United earned a victory

xx

-Yours forever,
Timmyctc

dubrov

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I'm not being overly positive. And Everton's first real chance after the Falcao goal was on 84 minutes. Losing team peppers the goal in last 10 minutes is hardly cause for major concern either.

....but United didn't really create anything apart from the first goal either.

niallo27

Timmyctc wrote: »

You couldn't argue that at all. Firstly they didn't miss the penalty in that DdG saved it. (Wasn't a pen imo either) The only way a team deserved something and dont get it is when they have a legit goal disallowed unfairly. Or concede an equally unfair goal etc.
Everton scored less goals than United. Therefore they didn't deserve anything.

You deserve what you earn and United earned a victory

xx

-Yours forever,
Timmyctc

But you don't always earn what you deserve.

Fuhrer

dubrov wrote: »

....but United didn't really create anything apart from the first goal either.

Nonsense, RVP and Falcao had about 5 or 6 decent chances in the first half alone, they were just very wasteful

MisterAnarchy

That was a very unconvincing win for Utd against an insipid Everton side .
It was like a training match for most of the match,there was almost no intensity .

Only for De Gea making three outstanding saves things could have been very different .
I dont think Howard had a save to make all day .

dubrov

Fuhrer wrote: »

Nonsense, RVP and Falcao had about 5 or 6 decent chances in the first half alone, they were just very wasteful

Did you actually watch the game?

I can remember Falcao taking a couple of wild swipes, one of which went out for a corner. Nothing where you'd expect him to score though.

If I didn't check the teamsheet I wouldn't have known RVP played,

Billy86

shrewdness wrote: »

He saved one from RVP early in his Utd career, can't think of another of the top of my head. But how many keepers actually have a good penalty save ratio? The advantage is always with the penalty taker.

The average ratio for all keepers in the Premiership from 2002/03 to the start of this season was 11.3% (189 of 1,666) so yeah 30% is very good.

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Penalty_Statistics.html

Zico

dubrov wrote: »

....but United didn't really create anything apart from the first goal either.

Falcao shinned a couple of good chances before he scored.

Fuhrer

dubrov wrote: »

Did you actually watch the game?

I can remember Falcao taking a couple of wild swipes, one of which went out for a corner. Nothing where you'd expect him to score though.

If I didn't check the teamsheet I wouldn't have known RVP played,

No, I didnt watch the game, I just made that all up...

Billy86

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I dont think Howard had a save to make all day .

:pac:

Liam O

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

That was a very unconvincing win for Utd against an insipid Everton side .
It was like a training match for most of the match,there was almost no intensity .

Only for De Gea making three outstanding saves things could have been very different .
I dont think Howard had a save to make all day .

Yeah he did, he just didn't save them.

J. Marston

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

That was a very unconvincing win for Utd against an insipid Everton side .
It was like a training match for most of the match,there was almost no intensity .

Only for De Gea making three outstanding saves things could have been very different .
I dont think Howard had a save to make all day .

Falcao's header early on and Di Maria's deflected free kick both forced Howard into very good saves.

Peist2007

Great to be in the top 4 again. Should now push on and cement our place there. The increase in sniping and the clutching at straws is a sign of United moving in the right direction

Will I Amnt

If United won this comfortably the thread would have died off long ago. Because people were getting their hopes up for what seemed like an inevitable Everton equaliser, there is butt-hurt aplenty.

MisterAnarchy

Liam O wrote: »

Yeah he did, he just didn't save them.

Apart from the two goals and Di Maria's free kick in the first half Howard had nothing to do .
Utd only had 4 shots on target in the whole match .

Fuhrer

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Apart from the two goals and Di Maria's free kick in the first half Howard had nothing to do .
Utd only had 4 shots on target in the whole match .

Everton only had 4 shots on target as well

Billy86

Will I Amnt wrote: »

If United won this comfortably the thread would have died off long ago. Because people were getting their hopes up for what seemed like an inevitable Everton equaliser, there is butt-hurt aplenty.

And it's GLORIOUS!

Must have been ready to leap off their seats when Baines was stepping up to the penalty, and been giddy as children at Christmas as Everton threatened late on. Now they're all cranky because someone ate their donut. :pac: