Chelsea vs. Arsenal match thread. 5/10/14 2.05pm (SS1)

_Kaiser_

The problem for Arsenal I think is the manager.

Wenger has been there too long and hasn't adapted to the changes in the game.
His big signing Ozil hasn't delivered most of the time - whether that's because Wenger doesn't know how to play him or he just hasn't adapted to the English game - and most teams have long figured out how to play against them.

Personally I'm amazed the club has stuck by him but new blood is definitely needed in the manager's chair imo.

Lukker-

tayto lover wrote: »

Oh my God.
Maybe we shouldn't have turned up then :rolleyes:

Wait, I thought that's what Arsenal did?

GavRedKing

Blatant red :pac:

Johner

**** off Welbeck.

Mars Bar

That's a red card for Welbeck too

Will I Amnt

Let him know you're there Danny :pac:

LightningBlue

Filthy tackle by Welbeck.

Joke that Cahill and him haven't seen red.

Kirby

That's even worse than Cahill's.

Lucky.

Demosthenese

Arsenal cannot even give their manager a decent 45mins - it must hurt knowing you cannot stick it in the face of a guy who calls you a failure. Such a predictable result its sad that Arsenal simply lack the bottle in these games.

People blaming Ozil as the fall guy every week should cop on, the whole team are a collective bunch of bottlers. Soft centre soft team.

efb

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The problem for Arsenal I think is the manager.

Wenger has been there too long and hasn't adapted to the changes in the game.
His big signing Ozil hasn't delivered most of the time - whether that's because Wenger doesn't know how to play him or he just hasn't adapted to the English game - and most teams have long figured out how to play against them.

Personally I'm amazed the club has stuck by him but new blood is definitely needed in the manager's chair imo.

No

Soups123

GavRedKing wrote: »

Blatant red :pac:

Thank fcuk your not reffing this we be down to 7

Chucky the tree

That should be 8 men left on the field for Arsenal if there was a competent ref doing this match.

Fuhrer

Referee could have sent Welbeck off there, it wouldnt have ruined the game as it almost over anyway

TimeToShine

About as fair as Oscar still being on.

The ref is fairly clueless

Mars Bar

Just as well he was offside coz that was the miss of the season!!

Marty McFly

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The problem for Arsenal I think is the manager.

Wenger has been there too long and hasn't adapted to the changes in the game.
His big signing Ozil hasn't delivered most of the time - whether that's because Wenger doesn't know how to play him or he just hasn't adapted to the English game - and most teams have long figured out how to play against them.

Personally I'm amazed the club has stuck by him but new blood is definitely needed in the manager's chair imo.

I'd be inclined to agree. We have the players bar maybe a DM.

GavRedKing

He meant it

LightningBlue

Costa :eek:

At least he was offside :pac:

Soups123

Chucky the tree wrote: »

That should be 8 men left on the field for Arsenal if there was a competent ref doing this match.

Sure

Crackle

At least the ref is consistent. That's something, I suppose.

Lol at Costa. Pulling a Torres.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The problem for Arsenal I think is the manager.

Wenger has been there too long and hasn't adapted to the changes in the game.
His big signing Ozil hasn't delivered most of the time - whether that's because Wenger doesn't know how to play him or he just hasn't adapted to the English game - and most teams have long figured out how to play against them.

Personally I'm amazed the club has stuck by him but new blood is definitely needed in the manager's chair imo.

The FA cup win was the ideal time for Wenger to go and leave another man take the reigns last season but so long as he makes the 3m in 'consultancy fees' for Silent Stan and keeps the club in profit then they'll see no reason to get rid of him. The needs of the club and the fans will always come second under the current regime.

GavRedKing

Crackle wrote: »

At least the ref is consistent. That's something, I suppose.

Lol at Costa. Pulling a Torres.

He was off hes grand

Mickeroo

Melo during the week, Cahill and Welbeck today. How are they getting away with these obvious red card tackles?

HalloweenJack

Lucky boy, Diego.

EuropeanSon

tayto lover wrote: »

Oh my God.
Maybe we shouldn't have turned up then :rolleyes:

They've been nearly unbeatable today. We've been quite good, I don't think there's anyone you could really say has made mistakes for us.

Obviously someone could've produced some moment of magic for us, but that's what it would've taken. Hazard provided that for Chelsea, and that was the difference. The second goal only occurred because we were chasing the game.

Crackle

That'll do nicely.

EuropeanSon

EuropeanSon wrote: »

They've been nearly unbeatable today. We've been quite good, I don't think there's anyone you could really say has made mistakes for us.

Obviously someone could've produced some moment of magic for us, but that's what it would've taken. Hazard provided that for Chelsea, and that was the difference. The second goal only occurred because we were chasing the game.

They werent that good in all honesty. Just played a very naive stupid team

Job done.

hadepsx

Classy jose

Soups123

Well done Chelsea, great team definitely looking at the PL winners

rottie 11

Decent win and another clean sheet. Happy days

GavRedKing

Clean sheet, 3pts. Good weekend.

Lukker-

Oh that's satisfying.

efb

Chelsea will win this league at a canter- could even go unbeaten. Fabregas and Costa great signings

Timmyctc

Have to say I have a huge amount of Love for Mourinho. Used to hate Chelsea but with players like Hazard and Ivanovic (<3) I actually like seeing them win. Obviously I hope they get embarrassed against United but that's for another day.

_Kaiser_

Ridiculous first question from Jeff as usual

tayto lover

EuropeanSon wrote: »

They've been nearly unbeatable today. We've been quite good, I don't think there's anyone you could really say has made mistakes for us.

Obviously someone could've produced some moment of magic for us, but that's what it would've taken. Hazard provided that for Chelsea, and that was the difference. The second goal only occurred because we were chasing the game.

Ozil should have been in the middle or else on the bench.
We have not had ONE shot on target.
We took off the wrong players.
Yes everyone has been brilliant FFS.

EuropeanSon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They werent that good in all honesty. Just played a very naive stupid team

Not going forward, no, but defensively that was as disciplined a performance as I've ever seen.

I didn't say they'd beat anyone. Just that they looked unbeatable, in that I don't think anyone would've beaten them. A draw was definitely possible, and I think would've been the result if not for Hazard's little moment of magic.

efb

You know how mediocre arsenal are now with the amount of English players in the team

GavRedKing

I think Matic played very well today and shows what a good cm can bring to a team. Had Arsenal a figure like Matic next to Wilshire theyed have been a different prospect.

Mickeroo

As far as I could see we only had the most possession in the 2nd half because that was what the Chelsea game plan entailed as soon as they took the lead. We never really looked like getting result, only positive I can take is it wasn't embarrassing like last season.

willmunny1990

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The problem for Arsenal I think is the manager.

Wenger has been there too long and hasn't adapted to the changes in the game.
His big signing Ozil hasn't delivered most of the time - whether that's because Wenger doesn't know how to play him or he just hasn't adapted to the English game - and most teams have long figured out how to play against them.

Personally I'm amazed the club has stuck by him but new blood is definitely needed in the manager's chair imo.

He's a dead beat at this stage, he's not cut out for this level anymore.

He's so predictable, consistently poor signings along zero backbone.

Another failure for Wenger against Chelsea and the league out of the question already, in fact they'll struggle for top 4 this season, more often than not they are always hovering around 4th and cutting it fine, this is all Wenger can really do for Arsenal now, maybe get lucky in a second rate cup competition if he gets lucky.

Crann na Beatha

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UnknownSpecies

willmunny1990 wrote: »

He's a dead beat at this stage, he's not cut out for this level anymore.

He's so predictable, consistently poor signings along zero backbone.

Another failure for Wenger against Chelsea and the league out of the question already, in fact they'll struggle for top 4 this season, more often than not they are always hovering around 4th and cutting it fine, this is all Wenger can really do for Arsenal now, maybe get lucky in a second rate cup competition if he gets lucky.

Yup, Sanchez, Chambers and Welbeck are all poor signings, great point. If you're going to attack Wenger, attack his tactical stubborness because it's glaringly obvious that's where we're failing.

Mezcita

willmunny1990 wrote: »

in fact they'll struggle for top 4 this season

They have qualified for the Champions League for the last sixteen years in a row.

extra gravy

willmunny1990 wrote: »

In fact they'll struggle for top 4 this season

Been hearing this for years, want a wager?

bad2dabone

Disappointing and so predictable.

Timmyctc

Mezcita wrote: »

They have qualified for the Champions League for the last sixteen years in a row.

Your point being?
OP said they would struggle for it this year.

McDave

Good performance. Tight game, but ultimately comfortable.

If there are criticisms, Schurrle was poor. He had movement, but his decision-making was mediocre.

I enjoyed Oscar's and Ivan's performances.

Not necessary to praise Cesc, Costa and Hazard!

Hope Courtois is OK.