Twin Peaks (2017) [Showtime/Sky Atlantic] [** Spoilers **]

Sad Professor

S.M.B. wrote: »

Didn't have time to rewatch both series and FWWM.

Wondering how difficult it would be to avoid spoilers of the new season over the coming weeks.

I'll be surprised if there's much of a plot to spoil.

milehip

Sad Professor wrote: »

I'll be surprised if there's much of a plot to spoil.

Want some cherry pie with that saucer of milk?

S.M.B.

There probably won't be traditional plot twists and turns to be spoiled but there's going to be a lot of focus on it over the coming weeks and I'd like to know as little as possible going forward.

Sad Professor

S.M.B. wrote: »

There probably won't be traditional plot twists and turns to be spoiled but there's going to be a lot of focus on it over the coming weeks and I'd like to know as little as possible going forward.

Avoid Twitter and I say you'll be fine. But i suspect the show will defy 140 character hot takes.

CastorTroy

Since she looks so different, I think every time Shelly is on, I'll just see Betty's mom

siblers

GreNoLi wrote: »

I implore you to watch the original avoiding the European pilot episode, and then the Fire Walk With Me film, you lucky so and so.

European pilot episode? Is this different from the pilot episode known as 'The Northwest passage?

Sad Professor

siblers wrote: »

European pilot episode? Is this different from the pilot episode known as 'The Northwest passage?

The so-called European pilot was a self-contained version of the pilot episode that solved the mystery. It's basically the same plus an extra 20 minutes at the end. It was so the pilot could be screened theatrically in Europe or as a tv movie in the US in the event that the show wasn't picked up.

yabadabado

siblers wrote: »

European pilot episode? Is this different from the pilot episode known as 'The Northwest passage?

It is different and I think it's 20 minutes longer at around 115 minutes.
Dont watch it first as it wraps up the case and some of the footage is used in later episodes.
The pilot to watch is the 94 minute version.

siblers

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks

johnny_ultimate

Holy hell.

Unconstrained by the artistic limits of early 1990s television, Lynch and Frost go all in. This is a follow-up to Twin Peaks, but equally to Mullholland Drive, Inland Empire and Eraserhead. It is a relentless, unnerving nightmare, the two-hour premiere a delirious machinegun fire of surrealism, terror and of course a good few laughs. It's hard to tell how all of this will come together, but really the question is whether it even should - if it manages to sustain this level of visceral quality, it could just be a completely random selection of scenes for all I care (slight exaggeration - there is plenty plot to grab onto amidst the crazy).

Hard to tell how this will play to a wider audience - it's unfiltered Twin Peaks / David Lynch, what with its

flesh trees, prison apparitions and interdimensional mystery boxes

. There's fan service amid mystifying new stuff. In terms of its visual imagination and impeccably disturbing sound design, it's second to none but also made me feel genuinely stressed and uneasy throughout. It is as pure a directorial vision as television has ever seen, highlighting the only ever limited success of previous efforts at abstract, experimental television narratives.

I loved it, but I'm glad I have to wait until later to dig into episodes 3 and 4. There's a lot to digest and some nerves to settle in the meantime

Agent Coulson

I loved it totally bonkers totally Lynch.

pasta-solo

Does anyone know of a legit streaming/download service, available in Ireland (or potentially using a VPN?) where I can pay to watch these new episodes?

Riskymove

pasta-solo wrote: »

Does anyone know of a legit streaming/download service, available in Ireland (or potentially using a VPN?) where I can pay to watch these new episodes?

NOW TV

pasta-solo

Riskymove wrote: »

NOW TV

Thanks! And can I stream the eps when I choose, or do I need to be home at a specific airing time?

EDIT - just signed up for a free trial, they only have Episode 3 & 4 available. Odd!

lawlolawl

I really enjoyed the first two season but hated the movie and I'm really disappointed with the 4 new episodes.

It's nigh on unwatchable film school nonsense. God awful acting performances, terrible cheapo visual effects and pretty much no coherent plot other than: "weirdness!!!" . Lynch must be laughing all the way to the bank that he managed to get TV execs to pay him for this drivel.

Twin Peaks the original laid the foundation for modern tv way back in 1991.
Lynch was never going to be able to match that feat or even come close to it.
Think that I'll give this a miss.

johnny_ultimate

glasso wrote: »

Twin Peaks the original laid the foundation for modern tv way back in 1991.
Lynch was never going to be able to match that feat or even come close to it.
Think that I'll give this a miss.

I would say the premiere is easily the finest, most assured, and least constrained two hours of Twin Peaks to date. If it doesn't revolutionise television again - a rather incredible demand - in terms of artistry it is nonetheless on a completely different plain than what is to be expected from modern prestige television. Nobody captures nightmare (ill)logic quite like David Lynch does here, and I've never seen anything like it in a major TV show before (sorry, Bryan Fuller). This cuts down (but doesn't abandon) the soap operatics and instead goes full on with the disturbing, disquieting edge that was always the original series' strongest feature.

If Mullholland Drive / Inland Empire lost you, this probably will too. As someone who thinks they're his finest works, alongside Eraserhead, this was thrilling and cannot wait for more

briany

Main complaint so far is that I was given access to 4 episodes in a single day :pac: Might be better to string this ride out a little....

'Pure heroin' Twin Peaks? Absolutely. It's more Twin Peaks for fans of Lynch than fans of the show, but I suppose that many of those who were anticipating series 3 are Lynch fans because casual viewers probably moved on and had 25 years to move even further still.

It's not just a mish-mash of artistic masturbation, either. There is a story going on that is already being dissected, with the feeling that more elements will make sense as time goes on. It's worth remembering that Lynch has always collaborated on TP with Mark Frost who, being the screenwriter of the pair, is probably more responsible for the actual story component of the show, and Lynch more on the visual/mood. This is where I'm glad it's not just Lynch on his own, because when you look at something like Inland Empire, it was clear that he was literally making the story up when he went along (and the documentary on making it confirms this).

The place where it does get very abstract is in the Lodges and associated realms, but those have always been places of confusion right from episode one.

If Lynch wants to turn the Man From Another Place into an electric nerve tree with a brain on top, you kind of just accept it.

But totally agree with Johnny, here - even though I'm not a fan of everything Lynch has ever done and can find him to be self-indulgent, there's still no-one who can put a nightmarish atmosphere on film like he can. It's not even that he puts monsters on screen. It's like his old story about all the ants coming out of the log - about what's just below the surface, or just in the shadow, what's on the periphery. It's a mysterious 'cowboy', something behind a diner, a gas mask or a shadow behind a red curtain. None of those things listed sound scary by themselves, but Lynch has a way of putting them in a certain context, filmed a certain way that arouses both my fear and curiosity in a way that no other director quite can.

froog

it's definitely not for everyone - i can see people switching it off after 20 minutes. but i loved it! best two hours of tv i've seen in ages. well worth the wait!

Skerries

2 episodes of bonkers is enough for me tonight, I'll leave the next 2 till tomorrow

had to break my bollix laughing at some of the more bizarre scenes especially in the White Lodge

jpm4

lawlolawl wrote: »

I really enjoyed the first two season but hated the movie and I'm really disappointed with the 4 new episodes.

It's nigh on unwatchable film school nonsense. God awful acting performances, terrible cheapo visual effects and pretty much no coherent plot other than: "weirdness!!!" . Lynch must be laughing all the way to the bank that he managed to get TV execs to pay him for this drivel.

Even though I enjoyed it to a degree, I agree with this. It's pretty much nothing to do with Twin Peaks as I remember it (so far), the original sprinkled weirdness amid coherent plot and sympathetic characters. This is full on Lynch with no one to say "No" to him....sometimes that is not a good thing.

Still, I'll watch a bit more.

lawlolawl

jpm4 wrote: »

Even though I enjoyed it to a degree, I agree with this. It's pretty much nothing to do with Twin Peaks as I remember it (so far), the original sprinkled weirdness amid coherent plot and sympathetic characters. This is full on Lynch with no one to say "No" to him....sometimes that is not a good thing.

Still, I'll watch a bit more.

I actually managed to get through all 4 episodes somehow.

It's utter twaddle.

He just paid some film students that were fans of his a couple of hundred bucks to throw together something vaguely in his style and roped in some current/past Hollywood stars for free who thought it would be cool to be in Twin Peaks to make an appearance. The Cera scene was one of the worst things I have ever witnessed on a TV show.

The greatest show biz scam artist of our time. More power to him to be able to get people to say he is a genius when this utter steaming ****e is all he has to offer.

dark crystal

Jaysis, my head is melted after that!

I loved the first two series back in the day, but haven't revisited them since (nor seen the movie) and I can't remember it being this...well...mind- bendingly bizarre.

I'm hoping the ensuing episodes are a bit less self indulgent and start to follow some manner of cohesive plot. It's fascinating to watch, but it will need to revert to telling a story at some stage or I can see it losing viewers. Nostalgia will only get you so far...you have to get people interested in the journey after the initial hook.

I'll watch the next episode (ep.2 or 3? i'm not even sure what episode comes next!) and hope for the best.

ixoy

siblers wrote: »

Ah, that makes sense.

A quote that was not used by anyone talking about the opening two episodes :pac:

I really enjoyed that and the creeping sense of unease throughout. The sound design, as johnny_ultimate pointed out, was wonderful.

I can see why people wouldn't like it - although I'll agree it can be seen as highly self indulgent too. Don't care - Lynch the lunatic has been given full reign here. I wonder how many people will drop off this thread if it continues on in this surreal manner.

lawlolawl

It's an objectively bad show by a guy who is coasting by on his reputation and good will from stars who want to be associated with a project with a lot of nostalgic value.

This thread will be 3 or 4 Lynch headcases discussing this utter garbage nonsense between themselves from now on.

Sad Professor

Watched the first 3 episode and finding it riveting. So far it resembles a much longer and slower paced version of Lynch's post-Twin Peaks work. The narrative is unconventional but not incoherent. Whether it's all going to coalesce into an emotionally engaging story (rather than plot) remains to be seen, but I'm confident it will. Lynch films always do. He's an artist first and foremost but one who understands that movies and tv are storytelling mediums. But he shot this as basically an 18 hour movie and broke it into segments in editing, so the episodes are not going to have the kind of digestible quality we expect from tv drama.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Have watched the first 3 episodes and will probably hold off on episode 4 until later this week so I don't have as big a gap until episode 5, but I'm loving it so far. Yeah, sure it's probably gonna be far too 'out there' for some people, and I myself probably wouldn't stick with any other show that spent so much time that gave up lengthy scenes to showing us an empty box, but it managed to maintain my attention throughout and I'm genuinely intrigued to see how it will all play out, so I'm in for the long haul.

I had a few genuine laugh out loud moments in episode 3 particularly during the

Something's missing/Chocolate Bunny

scene.

StringerBell

I'm loving it tbh, the only part I am not wild about it the cameo's. Takes me out of the trance so to speak.

johnny_ultimate

lawlolawl wrote: »

This thread will be 3 or 4 Lynch headcases discussing this utter garbage nonsense between themselves from now on.

Great outcome, looking forward to it!

WinnyThePoo

Watched the first two episodes so far. Loved it. 10/10

channelsurfer2

watched the four episodes so far. Its mad but then again what did I expect. You have to just watch it and not try to make sense of it. whether it will sustain 18hours I doubt it. Maybe a 6 to 8 hour series would have been better and would have cut out a lot of the meandering nonsense.

Hippo

Really enjoyed it, much more Fire Walk With Me than Peaks s.1. Can't wait for more.

johnny_ultimate

Opening half of episode three is one of David Lynch's most effective stretches of sustained surrealism. Love the SFX work, the effects have a pleasingly handmade quality and lots of character. I believe one of the issues (if you could call it that) with prestige television is that only a handful really allow a cohesive authorial voice to slip through. In that sense, this is pretty much in a league of its own, albeit with Mark Frost's guiding hand tangibly sustaining that unique Twin Peaks interaction between the horror and the farce.

Episode four, in contrast to the earlier ones, is the most 'traditional' episode of the run so far. Significantly plays up the bizarro comedy, and again embraces the satire of American social norms that was one of the core principles of the series. A few belly laughs, and plenty of delightfully silly moments. The entire

Michael Cera scene

is that balancing act between the terrible and the sublime that stood out in the earliest episodes of the original series. I can barely guess where they're going with the

'Cooper in Las Vegas' stuff

but it's gloriously nutty stuff so far. Which isn't to say the darkness isn't present - the

'Dark Cooper' scene

brought back that sense of unease and weird hyper-reality that dominated in the first three episodes. It's perhaps the least effective episodes in terms of pacing, but even with its more grounded (lol jk it's still insane) tone it's still completely its own strange, defiant thing. More please.

Dtp1979

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EpcYAvvYLFI

Skerries

Galwayguy35

Well watched the first 2 episodes last night and I couldn't make head or tail of what was going on but having seen the previous series i know it will slowly start to make sense as it goes on.

GreNoLi

Only 14 hours left in the Twin Peaks universe...

mzungu

Really enjoyed those four episodes.

flandabieduzie

I'm playing catch up still and haven't seen the new ones. Someone mentioned that the first two seasons are available in sky demand, is Fire Walk With Me available also?

Mackman

It's madness. I don't know much of Lynch's work, but I loved the original Twin Peaks. The 4 episodes held my attention and I will watch the rest of it just to make a judgement on it as a whole. But I dunno, a bit off the deep end for me so far

nc6000

flandabieduzie wrote: »

I'm playing catch up still and haven't seen the new ones. Someone mentioned that the first two seasons are available in sky demand, is Fire Walk With Me available also?

Nope, Fire Walk With Me isn't listed in On Demand. It's only seasons 1 & 2 and some behind the scenes type documentaries.

I had to find it elsewhere.

franco25

Guys stupid question - but do you have to go back to the original series to start watching this?

Sad Professor

franco25 wrote: »

Guys stupid question - but do you have to go back to the original series to start watching this?

Yes. You can skip 2x11-2x19 in season 2, but the finale and Fire Walk With Me are essential. If you are totally unfamiliar with Lynch, watch Mulholland Drive first for a taste.

franco25

Perfect thanks for the reply

briany

I see complaints around the place that the latest series is not copping the tone of the original. Good, I say. I like the fact that 25 years have passed and things have changed, because that's what tends to happen in 25 years. There's enough IPs that trade on their nostalgia value, but when you strip that away, their latest incarnations feel very shallow. Another thing is that a lot franchises will continue a story even after its natural story has concluded, and/or after its original creators have stopped working on it.

With Twin Peaks it's still an open story, and its creators are all in with it. They're doing so in a modern context with some established characters and some new. Some established locations and some new, too. Overall, though, it's a damn fine effort so far, and I can't wait to see what happens.

sydthebeat

utterly compelling viewing

ive done the 4 hours in the last 3 nights, late, bleary eyed... and still find i cant stop watching... like a great book that you cant put down.

yes, its absolutely bonkers weird... but its bonkers weird in the hands of an artist of his trade.
he is able to build unnerving dark atmosphere while there is actually very funny things happening... thats not an easy thing to do.

take everything

Anyone watching at the moment.
I've yet to watch the original series properly.
Anyway, almost certainly the weirdest bit of TV i've ever watched. I have no idea what's going on (doesn't help that I need to watch the original series) yet it is very compelling.
It's impeccably performed.

pasta-solo

sugarman wrote: »

Don't bother with the movie tho.

Absolutely bother with the movie! The new series takes its cues from Fire Walk With Me more than the original TV show so far. Also, it's an incredible piece of cinema!

AndrewJRenko

Skerries wrote: »

had to break my bollix laughing at some of the more bizarre scenes

Two crack-ups for me in the first five minutes;

Dr Jacobi receiving the delivery at his trailer - pulls off his sunglasses, and has his classic dual-colour glasses underneath.

Then, Ben Horne: Is that mother's hat?

dark crystal

What episode are we supposed to be up to now? I have just finished episode 4 - has episode 5 been 'released' yet?

Favourite moment of ep. 4? Michael Cera beautifully channeling Kip from Napoleon Dynamite while Robert Forster looks on in a way we can all understand.