'Sex While Drunk Is Now Legally Rape In California'?

Carlos Orange

iptba wrote: »

Sample:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0326/court.html

Not sure I get the logic. The possibility for becoming pregnant is punishment enough for girls who commit statutory rape.

Wibbs

psinno wrote: »

Not sure I get the logic. The possibility for becoming pregnant is punishment enough for girls who commit statutory rape.

Huh? The bloke involved would be a potential parent too and with the possibility of a criminal record as a rapist and gaol time. Bit of a diff.

Dravokivich

Wibbs wrote: »

Huh? The bloke involved would be a potential parent too and with the possibility of a criminal record as a rapist and gaol time. Bit of a diff.

Sure they get nine months and then some hard labour on top of it. :rollseyes:

Carlos Orange

Wibbs wrote: »

Huh? The bloke involved would be a potential parent too and with the possibility of a criminal record as a rapist and gaol time. Bit of a diff.

That is what their logic seems to be not mine.


I seem to recall at the time people said they didn't want to stigmatise underage mums. No problem stigmatising underage fathers. Granted fathers find it a little easier to avoid responsibility but that is hardly what society should set out to encourage.

Azalea

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That phrase "a rapist by law" is really meaningless. Nobody is a rapist by law unless they are actually convicted of having committed rape. Let's not pretend that the laws as they are currently written are a prohibitive concern for teenagers. Men aren't "doing women a favour" by "risking" having sex with them. Men are getting something out of it too (well, I am at least, I've never had any reason to complain).

The "appalling vista" stuff based on fantasy around here sometimes really gets to me. I would hate to think men are being encouraged to be wary of women's motives in wanting to have sex with them. That's the kind of ideology I'd expect to hear from MGTOW idiots, not from the average Irish male.

Indeed. And yet the sentence "As far as I can see you are essentially taking a chance every time you have sex as a man" was published here just a few posts ago. Red-pill-tastic.

Lemming

psinno wrote: »

Not sure I get the logic. The possibility for becoming pregnant is punishment enough for girls who commit statutory rape.

The mind boggles. I'm not sure if you genuinely believe what you've just written or have carried out a superb troll.

One eyed Jack

Azalea wrote: »

Indeed. And yet the sentence "As far as I can see you are essentially taking a chance every time you have sex as a man" was published here just a few posts ago. Red-pill-tastic.

Speaking of which:


http://www.joe.ie/news/a-meeting-for-a-notorious-mens-rights-activist-group-will-take-place-in-naas-this-saturday/529319

iptba

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Speaking of which:


http://www.joe.ie/news/a-meeting-for-a-notorious-mens-rights-activist-group-will-take-place-in-naas-this-saturday/529319

By the way, Roosh has said himself he is not an MRA
e.g.
http://embed.gyazo.com/b1325279db27a45f18982fdad5f1fec9.png

He is described on Wikipedia as a pickup artist and writer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosh_V

A quick look at the list of his books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosh_V#Books gives an idea where he is coming from.

One eyed Jack

iptba wrote: »

By the way, Roosh has said himself he is not an MRA
e.g.
http://embed.gyazo.com/b1325279db27a45f18982fdad5f1fec9.png

He is described on Wikipedia as a pickup artist and writer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosh_V

A quick look at the list of his books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosh_V#Books gives an idea where he is coming from.

I'd to go a fair bit down the google listings to find a link that didn't call him a 'rape advocate', as I figured that was inflammatory. I wouldn't have thought of him as anything other than a professional wind-up merchant, and even that's being kind. I don't particularly care for his ideas either way tbh.

Wibbs

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'd to go a fair bit down the google listings to find a link that didn't call him a 'rape advocate', as I figured that was inflammatory. I wouldn't have thought of him as anything other than a professional wind-up merchant, and even that's being kind. I don't particularly care for his ideas either way tbh.

Pretty much nails my feelings on the guy. A troll surfing on the wave of outrage and making a few quid doing so. Ranting about him on Facebook, twitter et al feeds the guy. Especially if people scream "rape advocate". Those on the fence who dig deeper are more likely to be swayed by the idea he's being misrepresented, even if they find his musings uncomfortable. He is best ignored for the troll he is.

I've had an oul perusal of his forum and in overview it's interesting. There are some clearly bright, well read and well traveled posters there. I may not agree with many of their ideas, but they're not the eejits some would like them to be, or feel safer thinking they are. Needless to say politically the loudest voices range from hardline hard right Libertarians, all the way up to full on hard right racists, who are both patriotic and at the same time feel america is going down the poo pipe. Trump is their natural fit demigod. Talk of "no homo" and "cuck" and "alpha" and "beta" abounds. "Gamma" too. They're gonna fcukin run out of the Greek alphabet at this stage. Seriously guys, that shít's overcompensating for something, or really makes it look like it.

For all the talk by some of "Board's censorship!!", his place is laughingly restrictive and if even long term posters go off script they get banned. I'd bet that the majority of the guys who reckon Boards is censored by "loony lefties" wouldn't last long on that guys forum. Even they'd be too "liberal" and women can't even join up. Vigorous debate is only encouraged along very narrow criteria, again go off piste and bye bye. It's just as much an echo chamber as a Jezebel bloggist with scary hair is. Then again Irony can be a concept lost on some Americans.

The PUA stuff has lost its lustre and is oversold in the market, so these guys had to come up with new ways to cash in on the section of younger men looking for answers. It first spread out into ever more location and time specific stuff(day/night/club/street/zoo/grocery shop"game"), then it moved into travelogue with dusky maidens in exotic locales vicarious stuff. Now it seems to be going more into the political.

Azalea

Which is it? Ignore it as nonsense or take seriously some of his posters instead of wanting to think/"feeling safe thinking" they're just eejits?

One eyed Jack

Azalea wrote: »

Which is it? Ignore it as nonsense or take seriously some of his posters instead of wanting to think/"feeling safe thinking" they're just eejits?

Personally, I'd ignore it as nonsense, wind-up merchants (there's a couple of 'em) and their miserable bunch of fantasists. Social rejects that feed each others egos and provide validation for their insecurities is all.

Wibbs

Ignore it. Don't fan the flames. Don't assume because someone's views are abhorrent to you that they're eejits. Pretty simple really.

Potatoeman

Wibbs wrote: »

Pretty much nails my feelings on the guy. A troll surfing on the wave of outrage and making a few quid doing so. Ranting about him on Facebook, twitter et al feeds the guy. Especially if people scream "rape advocate". Those on the fence who dig deeper are more likely to be swayed by the idea he's being misrepresented, even if they find his musings uncomfortable. He is best ignored for the troll he is.

I've had an oul perusal of his forum and in overview it's interesting. There are some clearly bright, well read and well traveled posters there. I may not agree with many of their ideas, but they're not the eejits some would like them to be, or feel safer thinking they are. Needless to say politically the loudest voices range from hardline hard right Libertarians, all the way up to full on hard right racists, who are both patriotic and at the same time feel america is going down the poo pipe. Trump is their natural fit demigod. Talk of "no homo" and "cuck" and "alpha" and "beta" abounds. "Gamma" too. They're gonna fcukin run out of the Greek alphabet at this stage. Seriously guys, that shít's overcompensating for something, or really makes it look like it.

For all the talk by some of "Board's censorship!!", his place is laughingly restrictive and if even long term posters go off script they get banned. I'd bet that the majority of the guys who reckon Boards is censored by "loony lefties" wouldn't last long on that guys forum. Even they'd be too "liberal" and women can't even join up. Vigorous debate is only encouraged along very narrow criteria, again go off piste and bye bye. It's just as much an echo chamber as a Jezebel bloggist with scary hair is. Then again Irony can be a concept lost on some Americans.

The PUA stuff has lost its lustre and is oversold in the market, so these guys had to come up with new ways to cash in on the section of younger men looking for answers. It first spread out into ever more location and time specific stuff(day/night/club/street/zoo/grocery shop"game"), then it moved into travelogue with dusky maidens in exotic locales vicarious stuff. Now it seems to be going more into the political.

I wouln't be surprised if that guy is a troll. I've seen far more reactions and reponses to him than I've seen of him. The last thing was him being asaulted by some women that then followed him all the way to his hotel in a small mob assaulting him, it made the people after him seem far worse.

I've never been to these forums but from the documentary on it the guys that go to these seem usless at approaching women and desperate for help. I've never seen the problem with it. I don't believe you can trick some into sleeping with you or that women hanging around bars are vunerable or at risk and being taken advantage of. The old saying 'you can't con an honest man' springs to mind.

Azalea

Wibbs wrote: »

Ignore it. Don't fan the flames. Don't assume because someone's views are abhorrent to you that they're eejits. Pretty simple really.

But it's contradictory. Ignore it or take it seriously that intelligent people are being suckered in by that Return Of Kings stuff? Personally I think it's worrying. Moreso the fans rather than the person himself.

tritium

Azalea wrote: »

But it's contradictory. Ignore it or take it seriously that intelligent people are being suckered in by that Return Of Kings stuff? Personally I think it's worrying. Moreso the fans rather than the person himself.

Kind of depends though. Oftentimes people go for this sort of thing because there's a genuine issue they have and this seems like a solution. People with a degree of self awareness (as opposed to intelligence) usually dip in but drift away after a while as they develop better ways to address the problem. Of course you'll always have the 'true believers' who get sucked in and go full rad MRA/ rad fem/ jihadist/ whatever, and there is a degree of responsibility that sits on those who promote the view when that happens. However there is a degree also to which its probably self fulfilling and some people will always find a dogma of some sort to cling to.

Tl:Dr most of the fans will be fine. For those that aren't they'd probably find a different outlet if this wasn't there. Doesn't excuse making a cult though....

Wibbs

tritium wrote: »

Tl:Dr most of the fans will be fine. For those that aren't they'd probably find a different outlet if this wasn't there. Doesn't excuse making a cult though....

There can also be the simple need for a community in people.