Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

homerjay2005

madcabbage wrote: »

His goal at Blackburn. God, it was so good.

7,000 united fans in that Darwin stand that night, it was sheer Bedlem in there.

Ewood Park is the best away ground in the league, tis an awful pity they are gone down. lost Bolton and Wigan too in the space of 12 months, the 3 biggest away allocations.

bucketybuck

KH25 wrote: »

Against Chelsea that year he tore Cole to shreds despite Cole constantly trying to block him on his right. What happened to him?

And against Barcelona that year he was totally ineffectual and choked on the biggest stage.

The_Kew_Tour

homerjay2005 wrote: »

7,000 united fans in that Darwin stand that night, it was sheer Bedlem in there.

Ewood Park is the best away ground in the league, tis an awful pity they are gone down. lost Bolton and Wigan too in the space of 12 months, the 3 biggest away allocations.

Villa Park was my favourite until few years ago. Used to have behind the goals like Edwood.

padd b1975

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Oh and Andy Gorman...

I know he was only a player or two but my God.....

FYP.

advertsfox

Looks like Rooney's good to go Monday!

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/wayne-rooney-fit-for-trip-to-southampton-1.2025497

The_Kew_Tour

padd b1975 wrote: »

FYP.

Only 2 Andy Gorams!!

bucketybuck

Winston Payne wrote: »

He's been useless for three seasons as a winger. Can't cross, can't beat a man. Was in receipt of some bizarre favouratism in contrast to other players all over the pitch. He just kept. Getting. Picked.

Randomly, here is a post of mine from 2 years ago.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82270664&postcount=4334

The big concern for me is not that Valencia is on a bad run of form, but that actually defenders have totally figured him out.

I got jumped upon for that, but I think time has shown it to be true.

kryogen

I still think its a incorrect conclusion to come to though, how would he have evaded managers and defenders "figuring him out" in all of his previous seasons in the country, both at United and at Wigan. They knew what he was going to do, they always knew what he was going to do, they just couldn't stop him.

SherlockWatson

bucketybuck wrote: »

Randomly, here is a post of mine from 2 years ago.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82270664&postcount=4334


I got jumped upon for that, but I think time has shown it to be true.

It's not very random if you look for, and find the post yourself tbh.

Also, a quick glance at the thread shows only one person responding to your post, I'd hardly call that being "jumped upon".

kryogen wrote: »

I still think its a incorrect conclusion to come to though, how would he have evaded managers and defenders "figuring him out" in all of his previous seasons in the country, both at United and at Wigan. They knew what he was going to do, they always knew what he was going to do, they just couldn't stop him.

Well that's easy, the Premier League Defenders Union obviously passed around the "How to stop Antonio Valencia" booklet, duh!

The Moldy Gowl

bucketybuck wrote: »

Randomly, here is a post of mine from 2 years ago.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82270664&postcount=4334


I got jumped upon for that, but I think time has shown it to be true.

Jaysus. How hard was it to find a post like that in the amount of posts this threa goes through?

Blue giant

bucketybuck wrote: »

Randomly, here is a post of mine from 2 years ago.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82270664&postcount=4334


I got jumped upon for that, but I think time has shown it to be true.

I'm still not convinced. If defenders have figured out Valencia surely they would have done the same with Robben for instance. He does the same thing every time but yet not many can stop it.

bucketybuck

SherlockWatson wrote: »

It's not very random if you look for, and find the post yourself tbh.

Also, a quick glance at the thread shows only one person responding to your post, I'd hardly call that being "jumped upon".

What a strange response. I randomly remembered it after the posts about Valencia on the last page and decided to look for it. And one person jumped on it, so what?

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Jaysus. How hard was it to find a post like that in the amount of posts this threa goes through?

I just searched for all posts by me that included the word Valencia. Took about 30 seconds.

Blue giant

Blue giant wrote: »

I'm still not convinced. If defenders have figured out Valencia surely they would have done the same with Robben for instance. He does the same thing every time but yet not many can stop it.

Robben hadn't lost any pace. Watching him in the last WC he's still lighting fast for a man that's nearly thirty. Even if he does do the same thing time and time again its his sheer pace that gets him past the defender. Valencia however has looked sluggish the last 2 years. IMO

Blatter

bucketybuck wrote: »

Randomly, here is a post of mine from 2 years ago.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=82270664&postcount=4334


I got jumped upon for that, but I think time has shown it to be true.

I disagree. As was said at the time, Valencia was in the league several years before that great second half to the 11/12 season. He would have been found out long before for only having one foot. He destroyed a peak Ashley Cole in games, who you can be damn sure would've known that Valencia only used his right foot going into those games.

He also had a history back then of going through patches of average form but it always picked up eventally, like most players. Until one time it didn't pick up and he essentially did a 'Torres'.

Rayne Wooney

The only explanation for Valencia I can think of is he caught the Torres.

He is still probably the quickest player in the league but I can't remember the last time he used it to terrorise a full back

It really is a pity

There multiplying....

bucketybuck

kryogen wrote: »

I still think its a incorrect conclusion to come to though, how would he have evaded managers and defenders "figuring him out" in all of his previous seasons in the country, both at United and at Wigan. They knew what he was going to do, they always knew what he was going to do, they just couldn't stop him.

Well I don't entirely subscribe to the idea that because he was in the league 6/7 seasons that every club would already have him sussed. Easy to think of Premier league clubs as leaving no detail uncovered but there are still plenty of examples of big clubs acting like small clubs. Does the Fulham left back have a dossier on the current Wigan wingers? Maybe, maybe not.

So its not a stretch to think that the higher profile that came with good performances at United also brought higher scrutiny from the other teams. Most seem to disagree which is fine, but in my opinion the higher profile brought a higher scrutiny, one which the horribly one-footed Valencia was not able to adapt to. His confidence dropped and years later we have what we have now.

Which was my original point I guess, it amused me that two years ago we were talking about his horrible form as still being a run of form. Two years later nothing really has changed.

KH25

I think comparing Valencia and Torres is very apt. There's no real reason for him to be so bad. I mean his crossing has gone shockingly bad. He just fires it low and hard 99% of the time. This from a man who used to put in lovely crosses on a consistent basis.

UnitedIrishman

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

He is still probably the quickest player in the league but I can't remember the last time he used it to terrorise a full back

It really is a pity

He seems to be too indecisive now. Instead of just running at the defender immediately and knocking it past him, he does this stop and go thing where he doesn't know whether to go inside or out or turn back.

Blatter

KH25 wrote: »

I think comparing Valencia and Torres is very apt. There's no real reason for him to be so bad. I mean his crossing has gone shockingly bad. He just fires it low and hard 99% of the time. This from a man who used to put in lovely crosses on a consistent basis.

Yep, he used to know when to drill it low, when to loft it to the back post etc. Now it's just head down and cross randomly. Usually a low drill to nobody.

Rayne Wooney

KH25 wrote: »

I think comparing Valencia and Torres is very apt. There's no real reason for him to be so bad. I mean his crossing has gone shockingly bad. He just fires it low and hard 99% of the time. This from a man who used to put in lovely crosses on a consistent basis.

He used to always do this though, the difference was the defender was usually 5 yards behind him or on his arse so he would get the cross in

Now the defender is beside him and Valencia kicks it off him

kryogen

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Robben hadn't lost any pace. Watching him in the last WC he's still lighting fast for a man that's nearly thirty. Even if he does do the same thing time and time again its his sheer pace that gets him past the defender. Valencia however has looked sluggish the last 2 years. IMO

Valencia still has pace to burn, Robben has excellent red blood cells alright

Will I Amnt

Productive evening in work...

The Moldy Gowl

Video is private.

kryogen

kryogen wrote: »

Valencia still has pace to burn, Robben has excellent red blood cells alright

Hmm maybe sluggish wasn't the right word, but indecisive. UnitedIrishman got it spot on.
I would love to see if full stretch on the counter attack just him and Rooney for aguments sake.

bucketybuck

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I would love to see if full stretch on the counter attack just him and Rooney for aguments sake.

We both know he would just freeze in a situation like that.

madcabbage

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Video is private.

He has a right to privacy ya know...

madcabbage

kryogen wrote: »

Valencia still has pace to burn, Robben has excellent red blood cells alright

Maybe, hasn't shown it in quite a while. Ya gotta wonder what's happened to the lad? Confidence gone?

The Moldy Gowl

Rooney can be very fast as well, as much as rival fans and the media would like you to not believe.

The Moldy Gowl

madcabbage wrote: »

He has a right to privacy ya know...

Will and I share nothing. He is also a re reg of myself.

Will I Amnt

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Video is private.

Is it working now?

SherlockWatson

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Is it working now?

Part of me wishes it wasn't :pac:

madcabbage

Whatever that fella who made that video was on, I want some of that! :pac:

kryogen

madcabbage wrote: »

Maybe, hasn't shown it in quite a while. Ya gotta wonder what's happened to the lad? Confidence gone?

He showed it in some game last season, remember the gifs after where he runs through a couple of guys and they explode or something, I am sure he has probably displayed his fantastic pace at some point this season also but I wouldn't be able to give you an example right now.

Its not his pace is the issue, its the ips basically, to me its all in his head, he is too indecisive now.

The Moldy Gowl

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Is it working now?

Jesus Christ will.

You need to post this after we beat Liverpool.

Will I Amnt

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Part of me wishes it wasn't :pac:

Awwwh man, it's a thing of beauty.

madcabbage

kryogen wrote: »

He showed it in some game last season, remember the gifs after where he runs through a couple of guys and they explode or something, I am sure he has probably displayed his fantastic pace at some point this season also but I wouldn't be able to give you an example right now.

Its not his pace is the issue, its the ips basically, to me its all in his head, he is too indecisive now.

Ya it's infuriating to watch him square up to a full back and then not make a descisive move, it's too much stop/start. Raw explosive power is what the man needs again! #BeastModeOn!

KH25

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

He used to always do this though, the difference was the defender was usually 5 yards behind him or on his arse so he would get the cross in

Now the defender is beside him and Valencia kicks it off him

But he changed it up a lot too. He lofted in high balls a fair bit. Far post crosses. Now it's just all aimless lashes at the ball. It baffles me. It's as if he's forgotten some secret he knew.

Liam O

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Rooney can be very fast as well, as much as rival fans and the media would like you to not believe.

Don't know, I can't see him getting into the Liverpool team for instance :rolleyes:

The Moldy Gowl

http://instagram.com/p/wIt7HbBhrz/

The Moldy Gowl

fatherted1969

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

On that note which player is the least favourite player to ever play for the club?

When at the club it would be Bosnich or Richardson

After they left Tevez was enemy no1

Paul Ince

The Moldy Gowl

Liam O wrote: »

Don't know, I can't see him getting into the Liverpool team for instance :rolleyes:

Maybe just Dave so. Migs is a bit off form.

David De God with the save of the universe...

https://twitter.com/Unitedology/status/540597781854187520?s=08

Al Capwned

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

On that note which player is the least favourite player to ever play for the club?

When at the club it would be Bosnich or Richardson

After they left Tevez was enemy no1

I could never take to Heinze, though it's entirely possible that that opinion was tainted by him wanting to go down the road when he was leaving United.

Mars Bar

Al Capwned wrote: »

I could never take to Heinze, though it's entirely possible that that opinion was tainted by him wanting to go down the road when he was leaving United.

I can't have been the only one who watched through my fingers in fear when I saw he was lining up for a slide tackle

The Moldy Gowl

I loved heinze. Hated silvestre

Nalz

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

I loved heinze. Hated silvestre

Hated Silvestre? The man was a bit dodge at times but had some great seasons at LB and oddly one really good season at CB. Heinze was ok for us, likable at times for certain fans cas he got "stuck in".

Any defender who scored two versus the Pool is liked over one who apparently wanted to move there n my eyes/

Each to their own.

SherlockWatson

Heinze was an absolute warrior for us, it's a shame how his exit went but I loved him when he was here.

Trilla

Trilla wrote: »

Hated Silvestre? The man was a bit dodge at times but had some great seasons at LB and oddly one really good season at CB. Heinze was ok for us, likable at times for certain fans cas he got "stuck in".

Any defender who scored two versus the Pool is liked over one who apparently wanted to move there n my eyes/

Each to their own.

I remember silvestre having a few howlers though, he never liked defending cornor kicks the poor lad