Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

kryogen

Van Gaal is good value in his interviews you know. Very open

kryogen

zerks wrote: »

The Faffening.

Episode 1: The Fafftom Menace

Robson99

Mr Alan wrote: »

Can understand relief & being happy, but wouldn't go over the top about it.

And hen Balotelli scores a league goal you can post the same line in the scouse thread.

The_Kew_Tour

My United ratings and how I rate players

10 out of this world
9 super duper performance
8 excellent
7 good
6 solid/above average
5 average
4 below average/can do better
3 poor
2 awful
1 my gran would be better
0 my dead gran could do better

DDG 8
Rafa 6
Rojo 6
Smalling 6
Shaw 5
Blind 5.5
Fellaini 6
Mata 3
Januzaj 5
Di Maria 4(by his standards)
RVP 7

jaykay74

Mr Alan wrote: »

Surprised to see people faffing over the result. Didn't you draw with Chelsea last season too?

If you didn't see the game and are confused then I can't help you. Sorry.

keane2097

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

My United ratings and how I rate players

10 out of this world
9 super duper performance
8 excellent
7 good
6 solid/above average
5 average
4 below average/can do better
3 poor
2 awful
1 my gran would be better
0 my dead gran could do better

DDG 8
Rafa 6
Rojo 6
Smalling 6
Shaw 5
Blind 5.5
Fellaini 6
Mata 3
Januzaj 5
Di Maria 4(by his standards)
RVP 7

That's laughably harsh

The_Kew_Tour

keane2097 wrote: »

That's laughably harsh

Why?

We really were not that good imo

kryogen

Mr Alan wrote: »

I'd expect Liverpool fans to be very happy, but not declarations of "what a result" etc....there's a difference between being delighted about snatching a point & declaring a draw against Chelsea a brilliant result. You're still Utd for crying out loud!



It was dry but blowing a gale. Had never been before but it was pretty stunning & I think the murky weather & the insane wind kinda added to it. Felt like the edge of the world.

Ah right, people are delighted about snatching a point from the jaws of defeat, the result, many people have pointed out, is secondary to the overall performance and the display of character from the team. The play was still too pedestrian at times, but we are getting better

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Yeah it really does feel like that, was up there again in the summer. On a clear day it is amazing also

ElChe32

Had my worries with Raf getting booked so early but fair play he stuck to his task, looked dangerous going forward. He's still a little indecisive in aspects of his defending but gives his all for us. Jones and his wonky injuries can feck off.

fatherted1969

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

My United ratings and how I rate players

10 out of this world
9 super duper performance
8 excellent
7 good
6 solid/above average
5 average
4 below average/can do better
3 poor
2 awful
1 my gran would be better
0 my dead gran could do better

DDG 8
Rafa 6
Rojo 6
Smalling 6
Shaw 5
Blind 5.5
Fellaini 6
Mata 3
Januzaj 5
Di Maria 4(by his standards)
RVP 7

Thought Shaw had his best game (that I've seen) same with Fellaini.

The_Kew_Tour

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Thought Shaw had his best game (that I've seen) same with Fellaini.

I want Fellaini to be as a success as anybody but he still gave away few sloppy balls. He got stupid yellow for fouling Hazard too after poor pass.

Shaw was OK but at times ran into no mans land IMO.

Robson99

keane2097 wrote: »

Another case where I have no idea what people think his role is meant to be.

What has he done?? F,,k all IMO. Way too slow and lightweight

Cantona's Collars

Even LVG is prone to brief moments of faffing.

K4t

kryogen wrote: »

Ah right, people are delighted about snatching a point from the jaws of defeat, the result, many people have pointed out, is secondary to the overall performance and the display of character from the team. The play was still too pedestrian at times, but we are getting better

The second half today was more a case of Chelsea snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

A draw is a draw is a draw. But that's all it is imo. There was nothing today that suggests we will kick on from there and go on a run of wins.

secman

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

My United ratings and how I rate players

10 out of this world
9 super duper performance
8 excellent
7 good
6 solid/above average
5 average
4 below average/can do better
3 poor
2 awful
1 my gran would be better
0 my dead gran could do better

DDG 8
Rafa 6
Rojo 6
Smalling 6
Shaw 5
Blind 5.5
Fellaini 6
Mata 3
Januzaj 5
Di Maria 4(by his standards)
RVP 7

FFS kew thats very harsh indeed. According to everyone and their mother Chelsea have the league to lose, we well deserved the draw today. Last season we were getting whooped in these games, second week in a row we played till the death and got late goals, credit where credits due..........

Larry Wildman

Will the excessive amount of love for Mata on these pages diminish?

He was toxic today and has been a disastrous signing.

2moreMinutes

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

My United ratings and how I rate players

10 out of this world
9 super duper performance
8 excellent
7 good
6 solid/above average
5 average
4 below average/can do better
3 poor
2 awful
1 my gran would be better
0 my dead gran could do better

DDG 8
Rafa 6
Rojo 6
Smalling 6
Shaw 5
Blind 5.5
Fellaini 6
Mata 3
Januzaj 5
Di Maria 4(by his standards)
RVP 7

If Fellaini is only a 6 and Shaw only a 5, I'm assuming you missed the - in front of Jan's 5.

I'd push Fell up to a 7.5, Shaw to a 7 and take Jan down to a 1.5 purely because while my gran is good, she also has no pace and is constantly slowing the rest of us down.

The Moldy Gowl

zerks wrote: »

Even LVG is prone to brief moments of faffing.

What a spoofer

Bleating Lamb

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

My United ratings and how I rate players

10 out of this world
9 super duper performance
8 excellent
7 good
6 solid/above average
5 average
4 below average/can do better
3 poor
2 awful
1 my gran would be better
0 my dead gran could do better

My Ratings- on right of Kews


DDG 8. 8
Rafa 6. 5 Terrible for goal.
Rojo 6. 6
Smalling 6. 6.5
Shaw 5. 5
Blind 5.5. 6.5
Fellaini 6. 6
Mata 3. 3.5
Januzaj 5. 6.5
Di Maria 4(by his standards)5
RVP 7

. 5

Would give RVP 5 for general play,took chance well but was a passenger throughout,didnt lead line well at all,Shaw still looks overweight to me,Rafael is defensively naive and not improving his decision making with age,Blind and Fellaini were solid throughout,Januzai tried hard and goes at players anyway,unlike likes of Valencia,Wilson is a real prospect,his looping header was a fine effort.

The_Kew_Tour

2moreMinutes wrote: »

If Fellaini is only a 6 and Shaw only a 5, I'm assuming you missed the - in front of Jan's 5.

I'd push Fell up to a 7.5, Shaw to a 7 and take Jan down to a 1.5 purely because while my gran is good, she also has no pace and is constantly slowing the rest of us down.

Well at least you had balls to give opinion.

Thought Januazj did as well as he could.

Got f all support and tbf was at least trying make something happen. Also gave great pass to RVP in first half.

He served greater purpose when he went more centre.

The Moldy Gowl

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

. 5

Would give RVP 5 for general play,took chance well but was a passenger throughout,didnt lead line well at all,Shaw still looks overweight to me,Rafael is defensively naive and not improving his decision making with age,Blind and Fellaini were solid throughout,Januzai tried hard and goes at players anyway,unlike likes of Valencia,Wilson is a real prospect,his looping header was a fine effort.

Shaw is not overweight. Nothing raf could do for the goal.

Nonsense.

Where was Falcao today, out injured?

madcabbage

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Will the excessive amount of love for Mata on these pages diminish?

He was toxic today and has been a disastrous signing.

I would not go that far. A dip in form but not a disastrous signing! Jesus every player dips at some stage or other.

kryogen

K4t wrote: »

The second half today was more a case of Chelsea snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

A draw is a draw is a draw. But that's all it is imo. There was nothing today that suggests we will kick on from there and go on a run of wins.

Matching and in some cases, bettering the best team in the league bar none who according to many were going to destroy us is nothing?

If you want to make statements like the above you could also say United almost snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with the missed opportunities in the first half when we were well on top.

Doesnt really matter, a draw is a fair result, a decent reflection of the game, and for me the will to keep going and not fold, the encouraging performances from some of our more maligned players and a pretty solid defensive display barring a couple of mistakes gives me something to look forward to anyway.

kryogen

madcabbage wrote: »

I would not go that far. A dip in form but not a disastrous signing! Jesus every player dips at some stage or other.

Don't waste your time

The Moldy Gowl

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Will the excessive amount of love for Mata on these pages diminish?

He was toxic today and has been a disastrous signing.

What about Fellaini?

2moreMinutes

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well at least you had balls to give opinion.

Thought Januazj did as well as he could.

Got f all support and tbf was at least trying make something happen. Also gave great pass to RVP in first half.

He served greater purpose when he went more centre.

He gave a good pass to RVP but as someone else mentioned earlier, he hesitates too much before making a decision. RVP is standing with his arms out looking for that pass for at least 1-2 seconds before an makes it which may have made the world of difference.......

beno619

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Will the excessive amount of love for Mata on these pages diminish?

He was toxic today and has been a disastrous signing.

He was great in the first half but poor in the second, like a few players.

kryogen

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

What about Fellaini?

Fellaini is a disgrace Joe

Worst signing ever,of any team not just United, ever. Wouldn't have that fella cleaning the jacks sure

Larry Wildman

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Will the excessive amount of love for Mata on these pages diminish?

He was toxic today and has been a disastrous signing.

I agree and always have agreed with this

The_Kew_Tour

2moreMinutes wrote: »

He gave a good pass to RVP but as someone else mentioned earlier, he hesitates too much before making a decision. RVP is standing with his arms out looking for that pass for at least 1-2 seconds before an makes it which may have made the world of difference.......

Plenty of the passes he did not give were by the line and maybe he felt too risky.

I can see what you mean but when he cuts more centrally he is far more of use.

Larry Wildman

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

What about Fellaini?

A terrible player.

Not United standard.

One swallow does not make a summer.

The Moldy Gowl

kryogen wrote: »

Fellaini is a disgrace Joe

Worst signing ever,of any team not just United, ever. Wouldn't have that fella cleaning the jacks sure

Would make a great chimney sweep

KH25

kryogen wrote: »

Fellaini is a disgrace Joe

Worst signing ever,of any team not just United, ever. Wouldn't have that fella cleaning the jacks sure

He needs to be up at the front with the big bushy head on him. Give the crosser something to aim at with the bushy head.

The Moldy Gowl

Larry Wildman wrote: »

A terrible player.

Not United standard.

One swallow does not make a summer.

So having a great game against Chelsea does nothing? You know like the Fellaini of pre man United.

Come on larry, just admit it.

Larry Wildman

Larry Wildman wrote: »

A terrible player.

Not United standard.

One swallow does not make a summer.

Sorry Larry but I don't agree with this one, felani is a great player to have. Versetile and made a real difference today

Larry Wildman

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Would make a great chimney sweep

Singing the Dick Van Dyke song from Mary Poppins...

madcabbage

Couldn't picture Utd getting anything out of that without Fellani on the pitch to be honest. He did a good job breaking up play around the park.

Cantona's Collars

Mr_Red

I thought Fellaini was due to fail at the club

Last season disaster like the rest of the team besides DDG

If we had of sold him in the summer It wouldnt have bothered me as he showed nothing last season

This season hes getting better and im delighted for him

But if he gets into a comfort zone then hes not worth shit to us

Zico

I love the banter and I love..most of... you, but most of all.. I love MUFC.

Having said that 'gwan fuk yer on silf' if you think I'll say I'm enjoying any of this sh1t right now.

I'm an angry man. I will be for a while, it looks like.

Cheer me up you bastards!

Bleating Lamb

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Shaw is not overweight. Nothing raf could do for the goal.

Nonsense.[/QUOTE
As your responding I will take it you can read so read the post again...I said Shaw 'looks' overweight....ie not trim and fighting fit in my eyes,and Rafael totally lost Drogba for Goal and Drogba wouldn't exactly be Pacy over the first five yards at this stage of his career:)

Larry Wildman

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

So having a great game against Chelsea does nothing? You know like the Fellaini of pre man United.

Come on larry, just admit it.

He did well today but even poor players like Andy Carroll have good days. It doesn't make them Manchester United standard.

advertsfox

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

My United ratings and how I rate players

10 out of this world
9 super duper performance
8 excellent
7 good
6 solid/above average
5 average
4 below average/can do better
3 poor
2 awful
1 my gran would be better
0 my dead gran could do better

DDG 8
Rafa 6
Rojo 6
Smalling 6
Shaw 5
Blind 5.5
Fellaini 6
Mata 3
Januzaj 5
Di Maria 4(by his standards)
RVP 7

DDG 8
Rafa 8
Rojo 5
Smalling 7
Shaw 8
Blind 7
Fellaini 7
Mata 5
Januzaj 5
Di Maria 5 (well defended against)
RVP 5

The Moldy Gowl

Larry Wildman wrote: »

He did well today but even poor players like Andy Carroll have good days. It doesn't make them Manchester United standard.

I can't wait until he proves you wrong

Cantona's Collars

Mr_Red wrote: »

I thought Fellaini was due to fail at the club

Last season disaster like the rest of the team besides DDG

If we had of sold him in the summer It wouldnt have bothered me as he showed nothing last season

This season hes getting better and im delighted for him

But if he gets into a comfort zone then hes not worth shit to us

It's some contrast to last season where he looked terrified on the field,it was as if he was afraid to take the same responsibility as he did at Everton.This season when he's been given the chance he's taken it & is starting to prove us wrong about him.
Fabergas has been pulling the strings for Chelsea since joining yet Fellaini never gave him a kick today & even got the assist for RVP's goal.

Sirsok

Just back from the game, was a really good match in fairness, Thought Smalling played very well and distributed the ball nicely. Fellani stood out for me also (But I've always been a Fellani supporter so may be biased) .

What was depressing is looking at our bench options and how we didn't have anyone to come on and grab the game by the neck and make things work,

I pointed out to my father that Raf was marking Drogba for corners etc and I couldn't get my head around it, can anyone clarify this?

Hazard is also scarily good and a joy to watch live, the man is amazing. Bar the Ivanovic sending off I felt he did well to control Di Maria and Adnan for the game.

Also people leaving before the final whistle, we are MAN UNITED FFS! Of course we would score.

Was awesome and the fact I haven't slept in about 36 hours hasn't deterred me!

adox

Larry Wildman wrote: »

Will the excessive amount of love for Mata on these pages diminish?

He was toxic today and has been a disastrous signing.

No mention of the championship player? Hmmmmmmm..


All very predictable at this stage Larry.

kryogen

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Shaw is not overweight. Nothing raf could do for the goal.

Nonsense.[/QUOTE
As your responding I will take it you can read so read the post again...I said Shaw 'looks' overweight....ie not trim and fighting fit in my eyes,and Rafael totally lost Drogba for Goal and Drogba wouldn't exactly be Pacy over the first five yards at this stage of his career:)

Van Gaal already said there was a miscommunication between Rafa, Fellaini and Blind for the goal, there is no way in hell Rafa should have been picking up Drog, he didnt stand a chance

The_Kew_Tour

zerks wrote: »

It's some contrast to last season where he looked terrified on the field,it was as if he was afraid to take the same responsibility as he did at Everton.This season when he's been given the chance he's taken it & is starting to prove us wrong about him.
Fabergas has been pulling the strings for Chelsea since joining yet Fellaini never gave him a kick today & even got the assist for RVP's goal.

Got me thinking about Fellaini when you said he kept Fabregas quiet.

I think I ain't giving Fellaini enough credit for this. So will hold hand up on that one.