Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Kirby

Timmyctc wrote: »

Jesus lads. Is this debate over two mi**** corners? Little to be at :pac:

It was three actually. :P

Footballers do stupid things. So do coaches. For example pushing up when the opposition has a goal kick is an awful idea and yet professional teams still do it.

I don't think the argument of "Oh well a club as big as this knows best!" works. Taking corners like that is, in my own opinion, a poor option.

It's not a slight on Di Maria's ability....I just don't think anybody is good enough to whip it in at that pace with consistency. When both your centre halves are up the pitch, consistency in delivery is what you want.

My take on it.

Nalz

Atlas_IRL wrote: »

His corners have been very poor in most cases. In contrast, I dont believe that strikers should take corners but Rooney's corners were amazing when he was taking them for a while.

Ashley Young takes a good CK

Timmyctc

Atlas_IRL wrote: »

His corners have been very poor in most cases. In contrast, I dont believe that strikers should take corners but Rooney's corners were amazing when he was taking them for a while.

Di Maria actually put in a few good dead balls in the same game. But you'll only get people focusing on what is a "Good Corner" if we score, or nearly score from them. His dead balls in general yesterday were okay. Some good some bad. AFAIR he put two or three on Fellaini's head/Chest.

There's a lot being made over two underhit corners in a row but it happens sometimes.

Will I Amnt

ronjo wrote: »

Are the hated less now the have spent a lot?

I would say they are, the vast majority of the complaints were about restricted spending, that complaint is gone out the window now so you won't hear much about them.

You have to admire the way they have increased revenue by so much whatever way you feel about them.

sky88

To be fair to di maria there arent many players who take consistently good corners in football these days. Fabregas took some terrible corners against us last week

Kirby

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I would say they are, the vast majority of the complaints were about restricted spending, that complaint is gone out the window now so you won't hear much about them.

You have to admire the way they have increased revenue by so much whatever way you feel about them.

I think that spending came after failing to reach top 4. Spending to protect their asset. I highly doubt that money would have been available had Moyes scraped 4th spot.

If's and but's but it wasn't there to spend the previous summer....what made this one different? 7 league places is the answer.

Kirby

Which was my point really. It's a lot easier to aim for the penalty spot than trying to be precise at the near post. Aim for the middle and give yourself the biggest margin for error.

At least on the ones you miss hit still have a chance of falling to a red shirt.

duffman13

Di Marias corners were poor yesterday and margin of error is small but some of those deliveries hit the first man's knees. No excuses for that! That being said it's better to have him taking them than Rooney or RVP. Dunno how this topic lasted 3 pages though

jaykay74

Kirby wrote: »

Which was my point really. It's a lot easier to aim for the penalty spot than trying to be precise at the near post. Aim for the middle and give yourself the biggest margin for error.

At least on the ones you miss hit still have a chance of falling to a red shirt.

Sounds like you've cracked it. Maybe you should contact the clubs and make your case to them.

homerjay2005

Trilla wrote: »

Is Smalling (obviously), Jones, Evans, Blackett, Rojo and Rafael all out of the Crystal Palace game?

its possible that all of them are out yes, but hopefully 2 of them are back. with our disaster injury rate, you wouldnt be surprised if all of them were missing

valencia at RB yesterday was painful, had he not been ball watching and held his position close to Milner, Smalling wouldnt have had to be diving in like that.

surprising Daley Blind wasnt put in at center back yesterday and Carrick in CM, very surprising in fact.

Valencia Mcnair Carrick Shaw i guess would be our likely line up the next day, but Evans is down as being back for next week on Physioroom anyway. anybody know if he was back training last week?

duffman13

How bad is Rojo, haven't seen much said after he was stretchered off

Timmyctc

homerjay2005 wrote: »

its possible that all of them are out yes, but hopefully 2 of them are back. with our disaster injury rate, you wouldnt be surprised if all of them were missing

valencia at RB yesterday was painful, had he not been ball watching and held his position close to Milner, Smalling wouldnt have had to be diving in like that.

surprising Daley Blind wasnt put in at center back yesterday and Carrick in CM, very surprising in fact.

Valencia Mcnair Carrick Shaw i guess would be out likely line up the next day, but Evans is down as being for for next week on Physioroom anyway. anybody know if he was back training last week?

I thought Carrick at CB looked v good and v calming on the defence. Granted its a sample size of about 20-30 minutes. But with Blind being a lot more mobile I'd gladly take Carrick as a makeshift CB when needed.

Kerrydude1981

duffman13 wrote: »

How bad is Rojo, haven't seen much said after he was stretchered off

He tweeted this last night

https://twitter.com/marcosrojo5/status/529050947407069185

homerjay2005

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

He tweeted this last night

https://twitter.com/marcosrojo5/status/529050947407069185

that lad is so much off his head that a broken collarbone in his opinion, is nothing!

irishfeen

Great day of sport next Saturday -

Liverpool v Chelsea - 12.45 (BT)
United v Palace - 3.00 (Setanta)
Ireland v South Africa - 5.30 (RTÉ)

... Could be a great day ... We need 3 points - anything else absolutely not worth contemplating.

Hococop

How I picture Rojo in the hospital

Mars Bar

homerjay2005 wrote: »

that lad is so much off his head that a broken collarbone in his opinion, is nothing!

Was that confirmed?

Lukker-

Mars Bar wrote: »

Was that confirmed?

I thought it was a dislocated shoulder?

beno619

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Di Maria's free kicks are definitely better than his corners, but United's corners have been pretty abysmal for a good while now. They miss the mark a lot of the time and when they do go into the right area nobody gets on to them. I'm not convinced it was any better with RVP taking them and he's probably better off in the box given that he's reasonably tall, good with his head and a goalscorer.

RVP started of well whipped in with pace ect. Then he just started lobbing them at the far post and they were ineffective as illustrated already in the thread.

kstand

Januzaj has been a pale shadow of the player he was when he came on the scene a year ago. Looks totally lost out there, 3 starts and no contribution of note.

keane2097

kstand wrote: »

Januzaj has been a pale shadow of the player he was when he came on the scene a year ago. Looks totally lost out there, 3 starts and no contribution of note.

He looks the same.

Will I Amnt

Kirby wrote: »

I think that spending came after failing to reach top 4. Spending to protect their asset. I highly doubt that money would have been available had Moyes scraped 4th spot.

If's and but's but it wasn't there to spend the previous summer....what made this one different? 7 league places is the answer.

I wasn't suggesting otherwise, the restricted spending argument can't be used against them now so you won't hear much about them, the way it came about is irrelevant.

kstand

kstand wrote: »

Januzaj has been a pale shadow of the player he was when he came on the scene a year ago. Looks totally lost out there, 3 starts and no contribution of note.

He really needs to be loaned out in January.

sReq | uTeK

keane2097 wrote: »

He looks the same.

He has moments of class but his decision making lets him down, he dwells when he should be putting the ball in quickly and sometimes its as if he is only playing with himself on the pitch.

I can't fathom why we let Nani go but hold onto and start Adnan, perplexing to say the least.

Blatter

Kirby wrote: »

I think that spending came after failing to reach top 4. Spending to protect their asset. I highly doubt that money would have been available had Moyes scraped 4th spot.

If's and but's but it wasn't there to spend the previous summer....what made this one different? 7 league places is the answer.

Well actually that isn't true.

Moyes said recently that he was close to bringing in a couple of big names last Summer. It was reported by reliable sources that they had outbid Real for Bale. The money was there, there was just problems with spending it, probably down to Moyes being very cautious and meticulous as well as Woodward being a novice in his role.

Mitch Connor

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

He has moments of class but his decision making lets him down, he dwells when he should be putting the ball in quickly and sometimes its as if he is only playing with himself on the pitch.

I can't fathom why we let Nani go but hold onto and start Adnan, perplexing to say the least.

One was frustrating and has been for about 5 years of his time at Untied, doing very little in the last two.

The other is frustrating, but 19 years old.

I don't find it perplexing at all. Give youth a chance, and some patience.

irishfeen

https://twitter.com/lukeshaw3/status/529282093843759105

Settling in nicely, great few games from the young fella. I hope Smalling applogised to all the lads at half time, we were well capable of winning that game yesterday.

Mitch Connor

Blatter wrote: »

Well actually that isn't true.

Moyes said recently that he was close to bringing in a couple of big names last Summer. It was reported by reliable sources that they had outbid Real for Bale. The money was there, there was just problems with spending it, probably down to Moyes being very cautious and meticulous as well as Woodward being a novice in his role.

I've read/been told Woodward was very confident of landing either Bale or Ronaldo, but failed on both counts, and we really should have been able to secure Fabregas last summer, the leg work had been done.

Woodward came through with some big name signings this summer, but he failed the previous one.

Fingers crossed he can come through with the right signings (some defenders/leaders please) in the next two windows as we are still very short in some key areas.

Giggsy11

Ian Herbert reported that Rojo might be out for 6 months.

ian herbert @ianherbs

Manchester United's Marcos Rojo could be out for up to six months after shoulder dislocation http://ind.pn/1Ed5cUg #mufc

Giggsy11

Mark Ogden ‏@MOgdenTelegraph 4m4 minutes ago

Manchester United's Marcos Rojo could face three months out if shoulder injury is as bad as initially feared

Mitch Connor

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Ian Herbert reported that Rojo might be out for 6 months.

ian herbert @ianherbs

A bad dislocation should be around 3 months max, can be a lot quicker. 6 months seems like an insane prognosis for a dislocated shoulder.

Mitch Connor

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Mark Ogden ‏@MOgdenTelegraph 4m4 minutes ago

would say Ogden more on the money here than Herbert - but would still say 3 months is a worse case scenario.

Mitch Connor

wonder if either Jones or Evans will be available for the weekend, could do with an actual centre back. At the moment we are looking at playing the defence that finished yesterday (no idea about Rafael).

But of course no one could have guessed injury sicknotes Jones, Evans and Smalling would be injured this season. Good forward thinking lads!

The Moldy Gowl

Why would a dislocated shoulder take so long. Have never had it or known anyone who had it.

Has lethal weapon lied to me? Can't he just hit off smallings head and fix it that way?

Lvg really must be too old for this ****

keane2097

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

He has moments of class but his decision making lets him down, he dwells when he should be putting the ball in quickly and sometimes its as if he is only playing with himself on the pitch.

The odd moment of skill, terrible decision making and an unwillingness to pass the ball unless there's no other option sounds like the same Januzaj as last year to me.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

A bad dislocation should be around 3 months max, can be a lot quicker. 6 months seems like an insane prognosis for a dislocated shoulder.

Bryan Robson used to dislocate his shoulder a few times but I can't remember how long he used to be out for!

GavRedKing

Cech was out for over 2months recovering from a dislocated shoulder after the UCL semi final with Atletico.

Its very possible to be out for that long from such an injury.

Kerrydude1981

Looking forward to Neville and Carragher later on MNF,Smalling will get some going over.

Was reading this earlier on, a piece by the Stretty News lads

http://strettynews.com/stats-table-dont-tell-story-uniteds-recovery/

Mikeyt086

WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU!?

Maximus Alexander

I've known a couple of people that dislocated their shoulders playing rugby and they were only out a couple of weeks. But I'm no physio, maybe there are different levels of severity.

Billy86

Mitch Connor wrote: »

One was frustrating and has been for about 5 years of his time at Untied, doing very little in the last two.

The other is frustrating, but 19 years old.

I don't find it perplexing at all. Give youth a chance, and some patience.

It really had more to do with Nani being (edit) unhappy here, I reckon - especially in terms of holding in to Young and Valencia ahead of him. I would love to know why he was so marginalised the last two years mind you (just 24 status and 10 subs appearances total), though my guess is we will never know.

Billy86

GavRedKing wrote: »

Cech was out for over 2months recovering from a dislocated shoulder after the UCL semi final with Atletico.

Its very possible to be out for that long from such an injury.

I would say it also depends on where and how you play as well - a winger, attacking fullback or #10 type player might be able to risk coming back earlier, but a CB, Andy Carroll type target man, or especially a goalkeeper would have to make sure it was completely healed before returning.

keane2097

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I've known a couple of people that dislocated their shoulders playing rugby and they were only out a couple of weeks. But I'm no physio, maybe there are different levels of severity.

There definitely are. I think there's a membrane/meniscus in there somewhere that if the shoulder comes out badly enough can be torn which would need a serious enough operation to repair.

The Moldy Gowl

You learn something new every day. I would have guess in my expert opinion that he gets to hospital, they reduce the swelling, put it back in, reduce the swelling and bruising and he does a few exercises on his shoulder.


He won't be able to have a ****. Poor guy.

bangkok

Billy86 wrote: »

I would say it also depends on where and how you play as well - a winger, attacking fullback or #10 type player might be able to risk coming back earlier, but a CB, Andy Carroll type target man, or especially a goalkeeper would have to make sure it was completely healed before returning.

doesn't matter where you play, no player is coming back unless it is 100% healed as it can happen easily again

adox

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

He won't be able to have a ****. Poor guy.

It's only the one shoulder gone.

Bridge93

Wasn't Brian O Driscoll out for 6/7 months when he dislocated his on the Lions Tour in 2005? Granted his was as nasty as I've seen.

Vic Vinegar

Rojo's father has said he'll only miss 2 or 3 games.

Total injuries for this season now at 35 apparently!

D-FENS

zorro2566 wrote: »

Bryan Robson used to dislocate his shoulder a few times but I can't remember how long he used to be out for!

Men are wimps these days compared to the likes of Robbo in the 80's, he probably used the Mel Gibson/Lethal Weapon method for dealing with dislocated shoulders...

irishfeen

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Rojo's father has said he'll only miss 2 or 3 games.

Total injuries for this season now at 35 apparently!

What the hell is the story with the injury at all - Rojo seems to think he himself is fine... strange old one.

2 CB's in January I think are now on the way.