Any sympathy for an old bigot ?

cletus van damme

kneemos wrote: »

That's because we have such strong values of acceptance.

The old guard was also intolerant of any questioning of beliefs.

True on the old guard but don't cod yourself by thinking modern thinking is any different. the same level of intolerance exists.

We can see here how a poster stating they don't approve of a gay lifestyle is being hammered. he hasnt abused or harrassed anybody.

In the OP's list of bigotted views - I'm pro-life but no bother with the rest and I'm not catholic. just so you know where i'm coming from.
But your liberal utopia isn't for me if I was honest.

Neyite

Zillah wrote: »

We don't mean women when we say gay. Gay is exclusively symbolised by the vivid mental image of a penis going into a Male bum.

Honestly. Next time you hear someone aggressively condemning gayness, just remember that that's all that they're seeing in their mind's eye and it is exciting, alarming and terrifying to them.

FYP.

I've just never gotten my head around the fact that some men are horrified by [male] anal sex, but are the first to joke about 'giving it to her up the ass'

And yes, plenty of homophobes love the girl on girl stuff - as long as they are pretty and also take it up the ass I suppose.

kneemos

cletus van damme wrote: »

True on the old guard but don't cod yourself by thinking modern thinking is any different. the same level of intolerance exists.

We can see here how a poster stating they don't approve of a gay lifestyle is being hammered. he hasnt abused or harrassed anybody.

In the OP's list of bigotted views - I'm pro-life but no bother with the rest and I'm not catholic. just so you know where i'm coming from.
But your liberal utopia isn't for me if I was honest.

Is it possible the new guard is right?

As for Wazky I suspect like others he is trolling.

Slicemeister

So it's ok to be tolerant of a person's sexual orientation but not an opinion that contradicts your own.

I couldn't give a fiddlers what lifestyle people chose, their own business. But I can understand why wazky wouldn't explain his opinion here.

cletus van damme

kneemos wrote: »

Is it possible the new guard is right?

As for Wazky I suspect like others he is trolling.

No cos nobody is ever 100% right (even me) and quite possible.

the_monkey

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I'm not saying that's a bad thing but say I was pro church, anti gay marriage, anti homosexuality, pro life there are fewer & fewer places where I can feel safe expressing my views.

It may not be feasible for me to join a right wing fundamentalist christian group & many of my age are not internet savvy.

In many instances these people are our relations, our parents, part of an older Ireland.
Is there a sadness that their ways & beliefs have been completely eroded ?

Yeah it's a tragedy that an organisation that condones the molestation + abuse of kids and actively takes part in it isn't so worshipped now ..


:rolleyes:

wazky

kneemos wrote: »

Is it possible the new guard is right?

As for Wazky I suspect like others he is trolling.

Because I have a different viewpoint to yours?

Calling someone a troll is out of order also.

cloud493

Having a different viewpoint is fine. Coming in and saying something utterly ****e, then not explaining that viewpoint and expounding more ****e, is indeed, trolling.

superelliptic

daithi84 wrote: »

The only thing harmful to society is religion.

Ah, I don't know. A total belief in Dogma is very harmful alright - that's how fundamentalism gets created, but having a belief in something bigger than yourself is nothing bad at all. Most of us have a spiritual/philosophical side to some degree.

But as my mum says "Religion is one thing - the clergy is another"

0byme75341jo28

Explain why it is utterly ****e then cloud.

cloud493

Because the idea that homosexuality is not only wrong, but also harmful, is utter ****e?

wazky

cloud493 wrote: »

Having a different viewpoint is fine. Coming in and saying something utterly ****e, then not explaining that viewpoint and expounding more ****e, is indeed, trolling.

Who died and made you the moral conscience of boards?

It's hotly contested around here for that prestigious honour.

0byme75341jo28

Ha, "it's ****e because it's ****e". That's not an explanation.

bear1

cloud493 wrote: »

Because the idea that homosexuality is not only wrong, but also harmful, is utter ****e?

Don't forget their sordid acts :rolleyes:

cloud493

Do people really need it explaining to them why homosexuality is at the very least, not a bad thing?

Cos its 2014, the world and society has moved on. If a man and a man want to be together, engage in sexual relations, adopt a child, get married, then they should absolutely 200% have that right? Its not up to anyone else or some government gob****e to tell them they cant do it. And more to the point, its not the business of you, or wazky, or indeed of anyone, to tell them they cant do it. Their life, their business.

If someone like wazky is so unhappy with his own life, or possibly just mental, that he feels the need to insult them and tell them their wrong, then he probably needs to take a look at his own life first before commenting on anything else.

bear1

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

Ha, "it's ****e because it's ****e". That's not an explanation.

But yet, posting that gayness is harmful to society and not then explaining why is a great way to back up his own argument yeah?

daithi84

superelliptic wrote: »

Ah, I don't know. A total belief in Dogma is very harmful alright - that's how fundamentalism gets created, but having a belief in something bigger than yourself is nothing bad at all. Most of us have a spiritual/philosophical side to some degree.

But as my mum says "Religion is one thing - the clergy is another"

IMO having a personal belief is grand as long as its kept personal and not enforced upon everyone else and used to influence laws. I'd have to disagree with mammy im afraid, If you are a member of an organised religion and that group goes around raping children and then the hierarchy covers it up and you still stand by them then you are supporting child rape in my opinion. The clergy come as part of the package if you are going to be a member of a religion. Its not separable, if you support the religion then you support the institution and its members. You always have the choice to join another church or simply practice your faith outside of that organisation.

0byme75341jo28

cloud493 wrote: »

Do people really need it explaining to them why homosexuality is at the very least, not a bad thing?

Cos its 2014, the world and society has moved on. If a man and a man want to be together, engage in sexual relations, adopt a child, get married, then they should absolutely 200% have that right? Its not up to anyone else or some government gob****e to tell them they cant do it. And more to the point, its not the business of you, or wazky, or indeed of anyone, to tell them they cant do it. Their life, their business.

If someone like wazky is so unhappy with his own life, or possibly just mental, that he feels the need to insult them and tell them their wrong, then he probably needs to take a look at his own life first before commenting on anything else.

Oh great. "Cos it's 2014 and we've moved on." Great. Really answered my question. Bravo.

It's my business if I want it to be, homosexuality is unnatural and I don't want my children growing up corrupted by this liberal propaganda.

wazky

cloud493 wrote: »

If someone like wazky is so unhappy with his own life, or possibly just mental, that he feels the need to insult them and tell them their wrong, then he probably needs to take a look at his own life first before commenting on anything else.

Way out of line to be honest, I'm mental because I don't agree with your incorrect viewpoint?, I cast doubt upon your own sanity.

cloud493

What liberal propaganda? Accepting people that maybe don't share exactly the same viewpoint or lifestyle as yourself? thats not liberal propaganda, thats life, and its not your business. Not by a longshot.

But this is clearly gonna go nowhere :rolleyes:

bear1

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

Oh great. "Cos it's 2014 and we've moved on." Great. Really answered my question. Bravo.

It's my business if I want it to be, homosexuality is unnatural and I don't want my children growing up corrupted by this liberal propaganda.

Very curious now, if your child announced that he/she was gay. What would you do?
How would you feel if people started saying how sordid it is what your child is doing, how unnatural it is?

shruikan2553

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

Oh great. "Cos it's 2014 and we've moved on." Great. Really answered my question. Bravo.

It's my business if I want it to be, homosexuality is unnatural and I don't want my children growing up corrupted by this liberal propaganda.

You do realise you are doing the very same thing that you are complaining about?

0byme75341jo28

It's liberal on their terms Wazky, anyone disagreeing with the liberal agenda must be silenced.

Flibbles

wazky wrote: »

Way out of line to be honest, I'm mental because I don't agree with your incorrect viewpoint?, I cast doubt upon your own sanity.

You're mental because you've made an outlandish claim with zero backup, and are ignoring users who wish to look into your view more thoroughly.

daithi84

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

Oh great. "Cos it's 2014 and we've moved on." Great. Really answered my question. Bravo.

It's my business if I want it to be, homosexuality is unnatural and I don't want my children growing up corrupted by this liberal propaganda.

How exactly is homosexuality un-natural? How in any way would your children be affected? Do you think homosexuality was just invented by liberals to piss you off? What if your children are gay, what you going to do then?

0byme75341jo28

shruikan2553 wrote: »

You do realise you are doing the very same thing that you are complaining about?

What, being homosexual? Don't think so.

shruikan2553

Liberals are intolerant of me trying to be intolerant

floggg

cletus van damme wrote: »

but we don't have those values at all.

we have an illusion of those values once a person fully subscribes to the liberal agenda.
Anybody steps up and says "I don't agree" is shot down with accusations of what ever the offence-de jour is.

How dare those liberals not tolerate intolerance.

Just because they believe everybody has the right to equal dignity, respect and treatment, doesn't give them any right to be against inequality and discrimination.

cloud493

I fail to see why exactly it bothers you, in fact.

wazky

Flibbles wrote: »

You're mental because you've made an outlandish claim with zero backup, and are ignoring users who wish to look into your view more thoroughly.

I don't think you should be joking around about mental health in fairness, it's pretty sick to just throw out that's someone's "mental" all willy nilly like that.

0byme75341jo28

daithi84 wrote: »

How exactly is homosexuality un-natural? How in any way would your children be affected? Do you think homosexuality was just invented by liberals to piss you off? What if your children are gay, what you going to do then?

There were far fewer homosexuals before it became the cool, new "in" thing to do as it has done in the past ten years. Put it this way; Would you be happy if the world decided it was okay to be a nazi? Didn't think so.

My children won't be gay because I won't poison their innocent minds with your liberal bullshít.

shruikan2553

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

What, being homosexual? Don't think so.

No. Claiming people are not backing things up and propaganda while doing the very same.

Timberrrrrrrr

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

Oh great. "Cos it's 2014 and we've moved on." Great. Really answered my question. Bravo.

It's my business if I want it to be, homosexuality is unnatural and I don't want my children growing up corrupted by this liberal propaganda.

Your children are more likely to be corrupted by your narrow minded values than the gay guy down the road.

donegaLroad

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I'm not saying that's a bad thing but say I was pro church, anti gay marriage, anti homosexuality, pro life there are fewer & fewer places where I can feel safe expressing my views.

It may not be feasible for me to join a right wing fundamentalist christian group & many of my age are not internet savvy.

In many instances these people are our relations, our parents, part of an older Ireland.
Is there a sadness that their ways & beliefs have been completely eroded ?

Isn't one of the prophecies of Muhammad that a sign of the end of times will be when men imitate women and vice versa?

bear1

If you can throw around that being gay is sordid and unnatural then people have the same right to call you mental.

Timberrrrrrrr

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

There were far fewer homosexuals before it became the cool, new "in" thing to do as it has done in the past ten years. Put it this way; Would you be happy if the world decided it was okay to be a nazi? Didn't think so.

My children won't be gay because I won't poison their innocent minds with your liberal bullshít.

AHHHHH HA HA HA He ACTUALLY thinks it's a choice, Seriously dude stop, my sides are hurting from laughing at these moronic posts.

0byme75341jo28

shruikan2553 wrote: »

No. Claiming people are not backing things up and propaganda while doing the very same.

I have explained my viewpoint, all I got from him was "it's this year and therefore we should all think in the same way".

0byme75341jo28

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

AHHHHH HA HA HA He ACTUALLY thinks it's a choice, Seriously dude stop, my sides are hurting from laughing at these moronic posts.

It is a choice.

bear1

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

There were far fewer homosexuals before it became the cool, new "in" thing to do as it has done in the past ten years. Put it this way; Would you be happy if the world decided it was okay to be a nazi? Didn't think so.

My children won't be gay because I won't poison their innocent minds with your liberal bullshít.

The cool thing to do? New?
It's been around since the dawn of time you muppet.
It was illegal to be gay if you remember and now it isn't.
I'd honestly rather be gay than have a bigoted role model like you as a father.
Do you think that a man or woman wakes up one day and thinks "you know what I'll be gay today". They don't choose to be gay just like we don't choose to be straight.

Slicemeister

This is all just a piss-take at this stage.

daithi84

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

There were far fewer homosexuals before it became the cool, new "in" thing to do as it has done in the past ten years. Put it this way; Would you be happy if the world decided it was okay to be a nazi? Didn't think so.

My children won't be gay because I won't poison their innocent minds with your liberal bullshít.

Do you not think it has to do with the fact that homosexuals weren't able to be open in public due to conservative society and laws making it illegal!!! The only thing cool is that we have a more open and accepting society where people dont have to hide for fear of persecution.

What has nazi's got to do with gays? You are aware that nazi's murdered hundred of thousands of gay people.

I fear for your children with you as a parent.

bear1

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

It is a choice.

So did you choose one day you're straight? Or did it just come naturally that you like women?

shruikan2553

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

I have explained my viewpoint, all I got from him was "it's this year and therefore we should all think in the same way".

Where did you prove it was unnatural? You don't seem to care about natural things when it suits you.

daithi84

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

It is a choice.

When did you decide to be straight?? Is there a form you fill out? Idiot

bear1

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

AHHHHH HA HA HA He ACTUALLY thinks it's a choice, Seriously dude stop, my sides are hurting from laughing at these moronic posts.

Remember when Wanky said he had other accounts.... just saying

0byme75341jo28

bear1 wrote: »

So did you choose one day you're straight? Or did it just come naturally that you like women?

No, because being straight is the natural orientation.

Slicemeister

Cayden Weak Pantry wrote: »

It is a choice.

I used think like that too, until my brother-in-law told me he was gay. Wasn't my fault, had just been conditioned that way.

cloud493

If someone has sexual urges for someone, it's natural. The gender is irrelevant.

0byme75341jo28

bear1 wrote: »

Remember when Wanky said he had other accounts.... just saying

I am not Wazky, I rarely post in the same threads as him.

0byme75341jo28

Slicemeister wrote: »

I used think like that too, until my brother-in-law told me he was gay. Wasn't my fault, had just been conditioned that way.

Like he was conditioned to be gay.