Tánaiste Moany Burton: IW protesters 'seem to have extremely expensive phones'

Celly Smunt

Young Blood wrote: »

I don't equate the 'country' to low life business people and landlords who hire cheap labour and exploit ordinary decent Irish people

Neither do I equate the country with how well the economy is performing. I'm no whore

so what is your country? turf and spuds?

Celly Smunt

Young Blood wrote: »

The kind of citizen that wouldn't sell out his people to make a quick profit

Lenin?

Young Blood

Celly Smunt wrote: »

turf and spuds?

:rolleyes:

Let's not forget the EU imposed sanctions on bog cutting which has essentially been a practice in Ireland for thousands of years.

I think this sums up the irony of your pathetic post.

Willfarman

CaptainInsano wrote: »

Yes honest hard working people will turn up with pitch forks at your door if you refused to pay, they'll think you're just like the wasters on the television and chase you out of town. Get a grip, no one gives a sh1t if you pay or not.

No they wouldn't have time for that kind of thing! It would be more to do with how I'd feel about it.

Celly Smunt

Young Blood wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Then what? a country of unemployed people?

BoJack Horseman

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Lenin?

Sure looking like it!

renegademaster

keith16 wrote: »

A woman who is completely out of touch with reality. Recent quotes (that I will paraphrase):

On job-bridge abuse: "I suppose it's up the schools themselves, it would be disappointing if job-bridge is being used in that way"

On the McNulty / Seanad debacle: "It's a matter for Fine Gael"

And now this.

She is supposed to be a leader of our country and this is the type of indifferent, entirely pointless stuff she comes out with?

Joan and her sad of excuse of a party will be shown the door soon enough and I for one can't wait.

no, she's actually supposed to help keep us all argueing long enough to get to march 2016, did you not get the memo, this government is corrupt and will do or say anything to stay til their time is up

Willfarman wrote: »

I don't believe this is anything more than gifting a new crowd of buffoons a licence to print money.
However these protesting wasters have ruined any chance of momentum of support from real working class people..ie people who actually hold down jobs and run small businesses.. If I refuse to pay my water charges now I'm afraid I'm going to be tarred with the same brush as these scroungers so I'm going to end up complying I would say.

what will you do if it turns out you're in the minority though?

TallGlass wrote: »

Don't forget they get free tablets in the Dail.

http://www.thejournal.ie/leinster-house-already-provides-tablets-for-tds-527957-Jul2012/

Do they pay for anything in the Dail ? Should we really have to pay them wages if we provide everything they need to live/work?

thank you, i was waiting on somebody to pull out that link, it only took 146 replies, now if we only had enough internet to put up links to the rest of their wonderful perks. dont forget they most likely charged a weekend seminar on how to use these tablets like they did to learn how to use social media, all paid for by us, oh and don't dare ask who ran the seminars...

TheDoctor

Young Blood wrote: »

The kind of citizen that wouldn't sell out his people to make a quick profit

My definition is someone who contributes positively to society.

Celly Smunt

TheDoctor wrote: »

My definition is someone who contributes positively to society.

i think the poster would agree as long as the person has roots to ireland pre-the flight of the earls.

Young Blood

TheDoctor wrote: »

My definition is someone who contributes positively to society.

And your argument is that protesters don't?

flutered

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Would these people not be better off spending such an amount of time actually looking for work instead of protesting?

this stupid post should have have a link to advailable minimum or better wage jobs ,rather than advertising the stupidity of the post.:D

TheDoctor

Young Blood wrote: »

And your argument is that protesters don't?

Hassling people doing their jobs
Taking up police time
Protesting on something that went through legislation months ago and now wont be changed


No, cant see any positive benefit from what they're doing

Young Blood

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hassling people doing their jobs
Taking up police time
Protesting on something that went through legislation months ago and now wont be changed


No, cant see any positive benefit from what they're doing

Your talking nonsense. Even a small victory for these protesters would immediately affect you.

Of course you're too high and mighty to see this.

Yarf Yarf

Can't wait to see Burton and the rest of the Labour party get the arse kicking they richly deserve in the next election.

TheDoctor

Young Blood wrote: »

Your talking nonsense. Even a small victory for these protesters would immediately affect you.

Of course you're too high and mighty to see this.

What small victory do you potentially see so?

For Forks Sake

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Well, from seeing a lot of the YouTube output it could be very interesting.

There will be a right clamour of groups vying to be in front.

If the likes of Eirigi are to the forefront it could be a very messy day.
Eirigi: imagine if the Iona Institute, the communist party & the BNP all had a grotesque baby.
shudder

Wouldn't even be able to get an abortion with the Iona crowd involved

renegademaster wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/20/oxfam-85-richest-people-half-of-the-world

And this is relevant to my request for you to show some figures as to what you need to be earning in Ireland to be in the top 10% of tax contributors, how exactly?

CaptainInsano

Willfarman wrote: »

No they wouldn't have time for that kind of thing! It would be more to do with how I'd feel about it.

Do you think that these people you see are the overwhelming representative majority of those that won't pay?

Young Blood

TheDoctor wrote: »

What small victory do you potentially see so?

Tell me this, did you get a government grant to undertake your studies?

In Lonesome Dove

What came out from Joan is the same attitude that some people have in relation to unemployed people. Giving out that some unemployed people have wide screen flat screen TVs.

Well I don't it be possible that someone bought their TV at time when they were in employment but now that they are unemployed begrudge them their TV and expect the unemployed to sell their TVs.

I've never appeared in a water protest video but if I was to appear holding up my phone videoing away, what people will see would be a very basic budget smart phone bought for 109 euro. When I was shopping for my phone to me so many smartphones looked the same. Just rectangle screens. Some idiot would no doubt point and say I have an iPhone.

We're becoming a country that's very hitlerish. It's only a matter of time that people will begruge their neighbours a pair of shoes or the shirt on their back.

TheDoctor

Young Blood wrote: »

Tell me this, did you get a government grant to undertake your studies?

No, I worked through College to pay my own registration fees. Anything else?


See my previous motto about if you want to do anything, do it yourself.


You never elaborated on what small victories these protesters might achieve?

Idbatterim

there should be no welfare increases, except for the genuinely vulnerable if there is a case for them, throw the rest into job creation, lowering taxes to spur growth, repay debt and infrastructure, win / win for everyone except those who dont want to work and while they are at it, reduce it down to virtually nothing for long term unemployed (once they know this will happen in advance, they are far less likely to f**k around)...

BoJack Horseman

For Forks Sake wrote: »

And this is relevant to my request for you to show some figures as to what you need to be earning in Ireland to be in the top 10% of tax contributors, how exactly?

Might have been some other poster hun.

But two things to note regarding your query.
- Just over 4% of those in work earn over 100k
- the top 20% of workers pay 71% of income taxes.

KomradeBishop

Willfarman wrote: »

I don't believe this is anything more than gifting a new crowd of buffoons a licence to print money.
However these protesting wasters have ruined any chance of momentum of support from real working class people..ie people who actually hold down jobs and run small businesses.. If I refuse to pay my water charges now I'm afraid I'm going to be tarred with the same brush as these scroungers so I'm going to end up complying I would say.

That's the most ridiculous and cowardly/spineless political reasoning there is: 'I disagree with the water charges, but people I don't like disagree with it too, so I think I'll comply with it for-fear-of-association/to-spite'.

mickydoomsux

In Lonesome Dove wrote: »

What came out from Joan is the same attitude that some people have in relation to unemployed people. Giving out that some unemployed people have wide screen flat screen TVs.

Well I don't it be possible that someone bought their TV at time when they were in employment but now that they are unemployed begrudge them their TV and expect the unemployed to sell their TVs.

I've never appeared in a water protest video but if I was to appear holding up my phone videoing away, what people will see would be a very basic budget smart phone bought for 109 euro. When I was shopping for my phone to me so many smartphones looked the same. Just rectangle screens. Some idiot would no doubt point and say I have an iPhone.

We're becoming a country that's very hitlerish. It's only a matter of time that people will begruge their neighbours a pair of shoes or the shirt on their back.

Ah yes, Hitler, that renowned begrudger . Literally the only thing he is famous for is begrudgery

TallGlass

I have recently also downsized my plates from a big dinner plate to the little cake plate.

DublinWriter

The difference between IW Protesters and politicians is that the protesters can't claim their phones on expenses.

Beano

They're just a rent-a-mob out to stir up trouble. They're just NO NO NO with nothing positive to add. My road became infected with them this morning. The sooner they go away the better.

KomradeBishop

In Lonesome Dove wrote: »

What came out from Joan is the same attitude that some people have in relation to unemployed people. Giving out that some unemployed people have wide screen flat screen TVs.

Well I don't it be possible that someone bought their TV at time when they were in employment but now that they are unemployed begrudge them their TV and expect the unemployed to sell their TVs.

I've never appeared in a water protest video but if I was to appear holding up my phone videoing away, what people will see would be a very basic budget smart phone bought for 109 euro. When I was shopping for my phone to me so many smartphones looked the same. Just rectangle screens. Some idiot would no doubt point and say I have an iPhone.

We're becoming a country that's very hitlerish. It's only a matter of time that people will begruge their neighbours a pair of shoes or the shirt on their back.

It's oddly ironic that the most Hitlerish poster is defending the protestors - not that I have anything against defending the protestors (fair play, even if I don't 100% agree with them), just funny.

VinLieger

In Lonesome Dove wrote: »

What came out from Joan is the same attitude that some people have in relation to unemployed people. Giving out that some unemployed people have wide screen flat screen TVs.

Well I don't it be possible that someone bought their TV at time when they were in employment but now that they are unemployed begrudge them their TV and expect the unemployed to sell their TVs.

I've never appeared in a water protest video but if I was to appear holding up my phone videoing away, what people will see would be a very basic budget smart phone bought for 109 euro. When I was shopping for my phone to me so many smartphones looked the same. Just rectangle screens. Some idiot would no doubt point and say I have an iPhone.

We're becoming a country that's very hitlerish. It's only a matter of time that people will begruge their neighbours a pair of shoes or the shirt on their back.

And this thread has been Godwin'd, 12 pages that's pretty quick too :P

Egginacup

renegademaster wrote: »

Tánaiste Joan Burton has questioned how protestors objecting to water meters on the grounds of ability to pay can have video equipment that would "put Hollywood in the ha'penny place".


The Labour Party leader was quizzed in the Dáil about a number of protests which have resulted in arrests, and whether it was appropriate use of Garda resources.


She expressed her surprise at the standard of equipment protestors have. "All of the protesters that I have seen before seem to have extremely expensive phones, tablets, video cameras," she said.
"There has been the most extensive filming in relation to any of these actions that I have ever seen anywhere.


"Hollywood would be in the ha'penny place compared to what's done here."



personally i think this woman is way out of line here, i've seen those videos, most of them and i haven't seen one truely expensive piece of camera equipment amongst the protestors, unless you count the RTE cameraman that was around the other day, took footage and never showed it anywhere!



she's doing her best now to try tarnish the protestors in the lead up to saturdays march with buses coming from all over Ireland to show the government and those on the fence that there's a rising tide of people going to stop the installation of meters across the country and it's growing everyday, despite and in some cases directly because of the garda crackdowns and all the government spin/propaganda fcukin lies!! :pac:



moany auld tramp is all she is in my opinion and she can get it out of her head if she thinks the country are going to elect her as president a few years from now!!


this government deserve to be told to fcuk off out of it now and we elect a new crowd in asap, one that has an almost tangible fear of doing the wrong thing by the people and who may then actually stand up for us all instead of selling us all out!

And the stupid bag will insist everything like paying bills will be done online and then have the gall to criticise the bill payers for have a computer.

Streetwalker

Gatling wrote: »

Most people don't seem to realise the top 10% earners in this country pay the majority of the tax pot .
Unlike the protestors sitting in holes all day .
Who are more than happy to sit there give me give me give

No I was there yesterday and I have a job. Not everyone works 9-5. Carry on

KomradeBishop

Idbatterim wrote: »

there should be no welfare increases, except for the genuinely vulnerable if there is a case for them, throw the rest into job creation, lowering taxes to spur growth, repay debt and infrastructure, win / win for everyone except those who dont want to work and while they are at it, reduce it down to virtually nothing for long term unemployed (once they know this will happen in advance, they are far less likely to f**k around)...

Yes, lower taxes - thus widening the budget deficit - to help repay the public debt (instead of expanding it to fill the budget gap...), and having money left over to spend on job creation; congratulations on demonstrating basic economic/accounting illiteracy.

TheDoctor

Have Sinn Fein found the magical money tree yet that will finance their fantasy land finance policies?

VinLieger

TheDoctor wrote: »

Have Sinn Fein found the magical money tree yet that will finance their fantasy land finance policies?

Yeah they just aren't telling anyone where it is

mickydoomsux

TheDoctor wrote: »

Have Sinn Fein found the magical money tree yet that will finance their fantasy land finance policies?

'TAX DEH RICHES!' - actual SF campaign slogan.

TheDoctor

VinLieger wrote: »

Yeah they just aren't telling anyone where it is

Excellent

folan

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Yes, lower taxes - thus widening the budget deficit - to help repay the public debt (instead of expanding it to fill the budget gap...), and having money left over to spend on job creation; congratulations on demonstrating basic economic/accounting illiteracy.

so lowering taxes will always lead to a decrease in tax revenue?

Young Blood

TheDoctor wrote: »

No, I worked through College to pay my own registration fees. Anything else?


See my previous motto about if you want to do anything, do it yourself.


You never elaborated on what small victories these protesters might achieve?

So you paid registration fees yet still got government assistance I'd imagine?

TheDoctor

folan wrote: »

so lowering taxes will always lead to a decrease in tax revenue?

Depends how the rest of the economy is doing, and if Gov can stimulate growth in other areas to replace the income tax not taken in.

However this takes a few years to do and with our current deficit plan in place we dont have the wiggle room to be attempting this at the moment

ChillMhantain

Gatling wrote: »

Most people don't seem to realise the top 10% earners in this country pay the majority of the tax pot .
Unlike the protestors sitting in holes all day .
Who are more than happy to sit there give me give me give

I am not happy to be sitting here with a "give me attitude". After graduating college I paid my taxes for 15 years. Four years ago my rent went up and my salary went down. I had to move home. Last year I lost my job. I'm on the dole 11months. Collecting the dole every tuesday you are looked down on like you are a piece of ****.

My day starts with going on jobs.ie and sending CVs to jobs for which I never get a reply. Yes I have an iphone, it was supplied by my last job. It got cut off and I'm now on pre pay. Do you know what its like sitting at home all day, I've never been this depressed in my whole life. Its hard to get to sleep and in the mornings its a struggle to get out of bed. BOREDOM. Thats what the last 11 months has consisted of. I doubt many people want this situation.

Fair play to these people protesting. I have nothing left to give.

TheDoctor

Young Blood wrote: »

So you paid registration fees yet still got government assistance I'd imagine?

I never applied for a college grant, if that's what your asking.

Young Blood

mickydoomsux wrote: »

'TAX DEH RICHES!' - actual SF campaign slogan.

If Sinn Fein told me that they would reduce water charges and get the remaining money from the rich I would vote for them.

I'd love to see the person who hires people through job bridge get the bollo.x taxed off them.

I'd have zero sympathy

Young Blood

TheDoctor wrote: »

I never applied for a college grant, if that's what your asking.

Even though you were entitled?

conorh91

TheDoctor wrote: »

No, I worked through College to pay my own registration fees. Anything else?

Registration fees are not tuition fees. Registration fees only cover student services. They are around one-third of the cost of tuition fees, which I think average out at €9,000, and are funded by the taxpayer every year.

TheDoctor

Young Blood wrote: »

Even though you were entitled?

I couldn't tell you what the cut off point was a few years ago, never looked into it.

VinLieger

TheDoctor wrote: »

I never applied for a college grant, if that's what your asking.

No he's talking about the college fees, you paid registration but technically the government paid for your college course. Not sure where's he's going with it though.

folan

Young Blood wrote: »

If Sinn Fein told me that they would reduce water charges and get the remaining money from the rich I would vote for them.

who are "the rich"? Where would the new tax start?

Young Blood wrote: »

I'd love to see the person who hires people through job bridge get the bollo.x taxed off them.

Do you mean people who hire people after a successful Jobbridge, or those who abuse it? Id prefer to see it used properly.

Young Blood wrote: »

I'd have zero sympathy

with those who have to pay more taxes?

TheDoctor

VinLieger wrote: »

No he's talking about the college fees, you paid registration but technically the government paid for your college course. Not sure where's he's going with it though.

The Gov pays College fees for every Irish student in Ireland on their first, third level course under the age of 24 (not sure what the position is for mature students).

You can then get a grant on top of this and have your registration fee paid for you too.

banquo

Our higher rate of tax kicks in at a ridiculous 32,500, before PRSI, USC, property tax and water charges kick in. What rich?!

SpaceTime

Incredibly out of touch comment.

The cost of that equipment these days is relatively low and pretty much the entire developed world now carries smartphones and has easy access to recording equipment.

I suspect she just doesn't like the idea that a protest can get instant social media attention due to all these HD cameras people carry in their pockets that are capable of uploading protests directly to social media in a matter of seconds.

I get a faint whiff of a regret that we don't live in a more censored society with less technology.

If she were on the opposition benches she'd be delighted with all these devices being at protests.

The fickle nature of politics is sometimes quite sickening. Once they're in power, the whole outlook changes.

The simple reality is that Labour have nailed their colours to the mast on this and are clearly pushing through Irish Water and metered water charges despite the fact that there's significant public opposition.
That public opposition will be expressed at the ballot box. FG will probably lose a lot of support too

Sadly, people have a short memory and will completely forget that FF actually committed us to introducing these charges in the first place!

It just strikes me as very odd that Labour are going to basically commit political suicide by strapping themselves to an economic model of water supply that is firmly based in capitalist, liberal economics.