Are you proud to be Irish?

MaroonAndGreen · 10-10-2014 12:26am #1

Poll added.

Are you proud to be Irish? Why / Why not?

Shakespeare's Sister · 10-10-2014 12:27am

A bit when it comes to certain situations, but mostly it's not something that I feel proud of - I just am. Certainly not ashamed of it either though.

Could you add an on-the-fence type poll option?

How Soon Is Now · 10-10-2014 12:28am

Im more proud of being from Dublin then being from Ireland.

I guess i have my moments the country has its good and bad points ive never been one of these in your face paddys though.

Im proud of being me!!

Molester Stallone II · 10-10-2014 12:29am

Could you add 'this is going to end in tears" to the poll please....think it'll get a lot of votes

joe swanson · 10-10-2014 12:30am

To be sure, to be sure I am.

Mostly

Except when I listen to shinners et al. Then I'm embarrassed.

But mostly proud.

Molester Stallone II · 10-10-2014 12:31am

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Im more proud of being from Dublin then being from Ireland.

I guess i have my moments the country has its good and bad points ive never been one of these in your face paddys though.

Im proud of being me!!

A Dub who thinks he's special.....Jesus, you're unusual!

Omackeral · 10-10-2014 12:31am

I was just born here by chance. Didn't have any say in it so no real reason to be proud of it. It's not an achievement. I've been proud of Irish men and women though like Katie Taylor, the soccer teams in 1990 and 1994 etc.

MaroonAndGreen · 10-10-2014 12:38am

Omackeral wrote: »

I was just born here by chance. Didn't have any say in it so no real reason to be proud of it. It's not an achievement. I've been proud of Irish men and women though like Katie Taylor, the soccer teams in 1990 and 1994 etc.

If you can feel pride in Irish people then you are halfway there

MaroonAndGreen · 10-10-2014 12:39am

100% proud so far.

Patriotic fcukers the lot of us.

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-10-2014 12:40am

Anyone that is not proud of their country needs their head examined.

How Soon Is Now · 10-10-2014 12:41am

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

A Dub who thinks he's special.....Jesus, you're unusual!

Oh when i start going on about how great i am you will know!

Until then chillax there ya big muck savage ya! :pac:

Molester Stallone II · 10-10-2014 12:42am

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Oh when i start going on about how great i am you will know!

Until then chillax there ya big muck savage ya! :pac:

I'm a Brit

How Soon Is Now · 10-10-2014 12:44am

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

I'm a Brit

Jaysus thats even worse !! Get out of our thread !!!

Shakespeare's Sister · 10-10-2014 12:44am

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Anyone that is not proud of their country needs their head examined.

I think it's silly for a person to be ashamed of their country but not feeling pride of one's country all the time isn't that unreasonable.
Other than times when affinity with where we're from is amplified (that's when pride would kick in for me) I don't know what there is to be proud of.

How Soon Is Now · 10-10-2014 12:47am

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

I think it's silly for a person to be ashamed of their country but not feeling pride of one's country all the time isn't that unreasonable.
Other than times when affinity with where we're from is amplified (that's when pride would kick in for me) I don't know what there is to be proud of.

Exactly its not a crime the way some go on at times.

When i go abroad in most cases im proud to say im Irish but on an every day basis i dont even think about it really and i dont feel i need to.

Molester Stallone II · 10-10-2014 12:48am

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

I think it's silly for a person to be ashamed of their country but not feeling pride of one's country all the time isn't that unreasonable.
Other than times when affinity with where we're from is amplified (that's when pride would kick in for me) I don't know what there is to be proud of.

I think debacles like the Magdalene laundrys would make some people feel ashamed, rightly so in my opinion..

snowstorm445 · 10-10-2014 12:48am

Not sure how to answer this one.

If you were to ask me "are you proud of this country and what Irish people have achieved throughout history", I would definitely say yes.

To say that I am proud to be Irish, IMO, implies that I had to achieve Irishness. I didn't. I was born into it.

Doesn't mean I'm not patriotic, far from it. I just don't think you can really be proud of something that you became automatically at birth.

shruikan2553 · 10-10-2014 12:51am

I wouldn't say I'm proud of it but I'm not ashamed of it either. I am just Irish. Nothing really special in being one nationality or another.

How Soon Is Now · 10-10-2014 12:52am

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

I think debacles like the Magdalene laundrys would make some feel ashamed, rightly so in my opinion..

Why would i be ashamed because of that? It had nothing to do with me or most people around me just because where Irish as well. Thats like saying im ashamed to be human because theres so many evil ones out there!.

Penfailed · 10-10-2014 12:52am

Omackeral wrote: »

I was just born here by chance. Didn't have any say in it so no real reason to be proud of it. It's not an achievement. I've been proud of Irish men and women though like Katie Taylor, the soccer teams in 1990 and 1994 etc.

Exactly.

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

Anyone that is not proud of their country needs their head examined.

Why...because of a fluke of birth? Wise up.

Shakespeare's Sister · 10-10-2014 12:53am

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Why would i be ashamed because of that? It had nothing to do with me or most people around me just because where Irish as well. Thats like saying im ashamed to be human because theres so many evil ones out there!.

Yep. Wasn't even born. People should only feel ashamed of what they're responsible for, not what happened in the country they happened to be born into.

Molester Stallone II · 10-10-2014 12:55am

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Why would i be ashamed because of that? It had nothing to do with me or most people around me just because where Irish as well. Thats like saying im ashamed to be human because theres so many evil ones out there!.

Were not talking about personal shame, the post I replied to stated ashamed of your country.....and for the way that our country in general treated these girls, yes, I believe it fits the criteria

Penfailed · 10-10-2014 12:55am

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Yep. Wasn't even born. People should only feel ashamed of what they're responsible for, not what happened in the country they happened to be born into.

Yep. People should only feel proud of things they have achieved, not what country they happened to be born into.

guest2014 · 10-10-2014 12:56am

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Im more proud of being from Dublin then being from Ireland.

I guess i have my moments the country has its good and bad points ive never been one of these in your face paddys though.

Im proud of being me!!

west brit alert:)

Shakespeare's Sister · 10-10-2014 12:57am

Penfailed wrote: »

Yep. People should only feel proud of things they have achieved, not what country they happened to be born into.

Wondering why that post was aimed at me as I never said people should feel pride in their nationality, but maybe you just randomly picked my post.

What people view as "pride" in their country though isn't always the same as pride in the achievement sense, just a feeling of affinity with where they're from when something happens to stir that in them - e.g. like feeling an affinity with your community/family.

How Soon Is Now · 10-10-2014 12:57am

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

Were not talking about personal shame, the post I replied to stated ashamed of your country.....and for the way that our country in general treated these girls, yes, I believe it fits the criteria

The people who done that dont represent Ireland they represent them selves. They have nothing to do with the rest of the Irish population and we should have no reason to be ashamed of our country because of them.

How Soon Is Now · 10-10-2014 12:58am

guest2014 wrote: »

west brit alert:)

Say what now?

Molester Stallone II · 10-10-2014 1:00am

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Wondering why that post was aimed at me as I never said people should feel pride in their nationality, but maybe you just randomly picked my post.

What people view as "pride" in their country though isn't always the same as pride in the achievement sense, just a feeling of affinity with where they're from when something happens to stir that in them - e.g. like feeling an affinity with your community/family.

Poster never mentioned nationality though

Molester Stallone II · 10-10-2014 1:02am

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

The people who done that dont represent Ireland they represent them selves. They have nothing to do with the rest of the Irish population and we should have no reason to be ashamed of our country because of them.

They did at the time, and to fail to recognize that fact means you deny it

How Soon Is Now · 10-10-2014 1:05am

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

They did at the time, and to fail to recognize that fact means you deny it

It was a choice they made it wasnt a choice the Irish public made. They didnt represent the country as a whole they where dealing with it as an organization.

The Irish people have no reason to be ashamed of there country because of what the church did because to be honest that has nothing to do with anyone but them its on there heads and it happened in a time when they had some sort of control which they have very little of now.

Shakespeare's Sister · 10-10-2014 1:06am

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

They did at the time, and to fail to recognize that fact means you deny it

Some people believe in personal responsibility, not collective responsibility - there's no denial.
It's dangerous to blame people for other people's actions.

So you think pride in your country doesn't make sense but shame does? But both are based on the same principle.

IrishExpat · 10-10-2014 1:07am

I don't know enough of my own country to say if I can be proud of it in a general sense; what and who I really 'know' of Ireland's limited to Kildare, Dublin and maybe Tipp & Kerry. The people (and those we unfortunately export in high numbers) are a source of pride for sure when I meet them, in terms of work ethic and openness, we're quite adaptable and integrate well when abroad, more than other nationalities. Current politics and never-ending scandals aside, if not 'proud', I do consider myself lucky to be Irish.

Jhcx · 10-10-2014 1:16am

For ages i spent my life on middle ground. it tore me apart. it was like angels and devil's standing on my shoulders coaxing me to either land. I did not part take in Irish ways but now im trying to make up for it. after seeing the beauty of our land the magnificence our american friends are always going on about i decided to step into the heart of our country. Sure everyone thinks their town is a hole but step back and try to appreciate its irish it has its own special appeal. We have amazing sports teams. Im late admitting it but no matter how far i go around the world nothing will feel like home because this is what i know this is my culture and i love it.

madmaggie · 10-10-2014 1:23am

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Jaysus thats even worse !! Get out of our thread !!!

At least you didn't say get out of our country, now if only I had a pound or euro for every time I've heard that......

Missyelliot2 · 10-10-2014 1:24am

I remember feeling extremely proud of being Irish during various times throughout my childhood, teens and twenties. I was really lucky to live abroad (in saner countries) throughout the Celtic Tiger s*****
Having returned home after that rubbish (with kids), we're all delighted to be back! People here are the reason that Ireland is so special.
I was mortified to say I was Irish during those years.......

How Soon Is Now · 10-10-2014 1:25am

madmaggie wrote: »

At least you didn't say get out of our country, now if only I had a pound or euro for every time I've heard that......

To be honest id spend the rest of my life if i went around telling non Irish people to get out of Ireland at this stage :pac:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 10-10-2014 1:26am

For a small island of just over 6 million, we've made a big impact on the world around us, even if much of it was as a result of emigration. We have one of the most beautiful countries in the world, many of the great scholars, poets and playwrights are Irish, we've given the world music and dance that is famous and revered all over the globe, and our sports teams generally punch above their weight. We're well received in nearly every country we go to and we usually leave a good impression. Being Irish is never a hindrance and can often be a help.

I'm not proud of the traditions we have of cronyism, political strokes, cute hoorism and begrudgery, they're the only things I abhorr about Ireland. But all in all, I'm immensely proud to be of Ireland.

Penfailed · 10-10-2014 1:27am

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Wondering why that post was aimed at me as I never said people should feel pride in their nationality, but maybe you just randomly picked my post.

You were saying that people shouldn't be ashamed because of something that happened in their country...I was saying that people shouldn't be proud for the same reasons.

gormdubhgorm · 10-10-2014 1:30am

Proud to be a Dub! and the rest of youse are very lucky that Dublin is in Ireland! :cool:

The part I love about Ireland is that there is a disdain for authority/celebrity and people who "have notions".

Some might call it begrudgery. But I think it's gas. It is the one thing that will stop us turning into Americans completely!

Zebra3 · 10-10-2014 1:30am

Ashamed of how pathetic Irish people are.

Get independence, let the paedos in the RC church take the real power.

Bow down to the ECB and IMF like a pack of bitches to take on the debts of wealthy gamblers.

Fighting Irish, me hole.

GerB40 · 10-10-2014 1:31am

I taught myself how to play the guitar, I'm proud of that.
My parents had sex which resulted in my birth, I'm not proud of that. Why would I be, I had nothing to do with it.

I'm not proud or ashamed to be Irish, I'm happy to be Irish.

Shakespeare's Sister · 10-10-2014 1:33am

Zebra3 wrote: »

Ashamed of how pathetic Irish people are.

Aw, don't be so hard on yourself.

Missyelliot2 · 10-10-2014 1:34am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Proud to be a Dub! and the rest of youse are very lucky that Dublin is in Ireland! :cool:

Yep....all of us culchies....
we thank our stars daily:p

GerB40 · 10-10-2014 1:34am

Zebra3 wrote: »

Ashamed of how pathetic Irish people are.

Get independence, let the paedos in the RC church take the real power.

Bow down to the ECB and IMF like a pack of bitches to take on the debts of wealthy gamblers.

Fighting Irish, me hole.

I'm sure if you said that in public you'd quickly understand the fighting Irish clichè.

Zebra3 · 10-10-2014 1:36am

GerB40 wrote: »

I'm sure if you said that in public you'd quickly understand the fighting Irish clichè.

So Irish people are likely to resort to violence if you speak honestly?

Wow. :rolleyes:

gormdubhgorm · 10-10-2014 1:38am

Zebra3 wrote: »

Ashamed of how pathetic Irish people are.

Get independence, let the paedos in the RC church take the real power.

Bow down to the ECB and IMF like a pack of bitches to take on the debts of wealthy gamblers.

Fighting Irish, me hole.

America had independence and you could argue that they did excatly the same thing. Peados - RC church organised religion/bible belt.

Also the phrase "fighting Irish" originated as slur against the Irish by the British and was then used to describe an Irish division that fought for the yanks. It is now used as the catch phrase for Notre Dame College football.
http://www3.nd.edu/~wcawley/corson/whyfightingirish.htm

I have never heard the phrase used by a person born and bred in Ireland

Shakespeare's Sister · 10-10-2014 1:38am

Zebra3 wrote: »

So Irish people are likely to resort to violence if you speak honestly?

Wow. :rolleyes:

So it's all right for you to make sweeping insults about Irish people but not for another poster to?
Wow. ":rolleyes:"

DarkyHughes · 10-10-2014 1:40am

Yeah we should be proud. What other people turned their countries into one of the most prosperous to live in just 150 years after suffering from a crippling famine. Plus we've been saying imperialism is really bad way before any other westerners.

GerB40 · 10-10-2014 1:40am

Zebra3 wrote: »

So Irish people are likely to resort to violence if you speak honestly?

Wow. :rolleyes:

Go up to any group of people from any country in the world and tell them they're pathetic because of where they come from. See if resorting to violence is an Irish only thing..

Zebra3 · 10-10-2014 1:42am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

America had independence and you could argue that they did excatly the same thing. Peados - RC church organised religion/bible belt.

Also the phrase "fighting Irish" originated as slur against the Irish by the British and was then used to describe an Irish division that fought for the yanks. It is now used as the catch phrase for Notre Dame College football.
http://www3.nd.edu/~wcawley/corson/whyfightingirish.htm

I have never heard the phrase used by a person born and bred in Ireland

I couldn't give a toss what the Yanks done.

No shortage of Irish people use the phrase, or have it on flags, t-shirts, themselves.

GerB40 · 10-10-2014 1:45am

Zebra3 wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss what the Yanks done.

No shortage of Irish people use the phrase, or have it on flags, t-shirts, themselves.

Jaysus Zebra3 you're not out to make friends are ya??

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