Ireland v Germany

Mint Sauce

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Let's not lose the run of ourselves here lads...

Fantastic result with last minute drama, but for the majority of the game we were crap - ye were all agreeing with Dunphy's Trap comparison at half time.

We started to play the game in the last 15/20 and JOS had a moment of pure magic, but that doesn't mean there's a lot to learn from this match.

Was the best irish goal i've seen for a long time, just drew with the world champions, we're second on GD, that was never expected after 3 games. Yes theres alot to do, but I think we can be happy enough with that for now.

eagle eye

mada999 wrote: »

most of us were negative because the players who started the game were negative...tbh

You were negative and clueless really. You stated that they only had 3 of their World Cup squad and when I pointed out that six of them were playing you came back asking if they were regulars!?!?

Fyi five of them were regulars and Gotze. who is the one that came on and scored the goal that won the World Cup, was the only one that wasn't. He was signed twelve months ago by Bayern Munich for €37 million.

Draxler who was playing tonight and wasn't a regular at the World Cup, but did play, is wanted by a host of top clubs and is valued somewhere around €30 million.

This was a top quality side we played against tonight. We went there for a draw, when they scored and set up in a more careful formation we changed our formation and got the draw. Forde kept us in it with some great saves after we changed our formation. If we started with that formation tonight we would have been beaten off the park.

Tactics were right from the start tonight and right after we conceded a goal.

Boskowski

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

We won, it's fantastic.

Hey dont get carried away

Nib

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Taking points above onboard^^, I still believe that with a lot less of forde hoofing the ball forward we wouldn't have invited such undue pressure on ourselfs as we did. Germany looked lost as they did against Poland to carve open a defence. Its risk and reward, but when we actually attacked Germany they looked very vulnerable. Crucial tonight was the Poland and Scotland result.
To top off tonight I got John O Shea to score any time at 20\1

Scotland v Ireland is going to be unreal.

Proof, or it didn't happen.

Alfa Quadrifoglio

Positives.... great work rate, great spirit and for the last 20 minutes we showed we can play when players are in their right positions and some of our more skillful players like Holohan are on the pitch not the bench and well done to the 3,000 Irish fans over in Germany who never gave up on the Team.
Negatives.... too much hoofing, too much sloppy passing and players out of position
Overall we are in joint top and all teams in this group will take points off each other, Germany will get over their World Cup hangover and win the Group we have a real chance of second if we play like we did in last 20 minutes.
Man of the Match had to be Galway man David Forde.

Fudge You

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

but obviously we're gonna cheer if we win.

We won, it's fantastic.
.

How much did you drink tonight???

Utopia Parkway

Fowler87 wrote: »

Thought Hendrix was mighty when he came in

At least he knows what a forward pass is unlike Glenn Whelan.

ColeTrain

Boskowski wrote: »

Well its hard to play a bus for anyone. I agree we weren't convincing but what typically happens is that you keep at it and eventually get your goal and thats what happened. Where we really went wrong was how we let you in towards the end trying to sit on that 1 nil , we opened the door for you. Thats should never have happened. How you can say were pretty bad for most of the match I don't understand. If were pretty bad for most of the match what does that make ye for most of the match?

All that talent playing at home against the likes of Walters, Quinn, Whelan, Warde, Forde ( I could go on ). You were poor, especially when you consider the Poland game should have given you a rocket up the arse.

LordAwesome

English broadcasters far more positive about Ireland than then Irish ones...

Lapin

Forde was my MOTM.

8-10

M!Ck^ wrote: »

To top off tonight I got John O Shea to score any time at 20\1

I'm going to second the request here to see a screenshot, just good etiquette when aftertiming

Boskowski

Lord Trollington wrote: »

You're beginning to sicken my stones.

We're ranked 61st in the World. We had 4 players from the Championship and 4 premier league plaers who don't feature for thier clubs on at the end. I think yee have far far more problems than we have.

Relax dude. I'm supporting the other team. I think I'm allowed a different view point.

Lord Trollington

James McClean looks like a proud school kid picking up a community games medal.

Delighted for the lad.

Shanotheslayer

Boskowski wrote: »

Hey dont get carried away

Fudge You wrote: »

How much did you drink tonight???

Shhhh nobody else saw:P Feels like we won!

castletownman

I wonder if Joxer was present in Gelsinkirchen tonight?

mada999

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Taking points above onboard^^, I still believe that with a lot less of forde hoofing the ball forward we wouldn't have invited such undue pressure on ourselfs as we did.

if Forde had of kicked it short for most of the match it would have been passed straight back to him and then hoofed!

Kenjataimu

Hopefully this team will get some self belief out of this.

And play the players who can actually play.





play

Fudge You

Boskowski wrote: »

Relax dude. I'm supporting the other team. I think I'm allowed a different view point.

No, you are not.
Get out of here ya pup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Billy86

Fudge You wrote: »

Agreed Kasier 100%.

Everyone is on the jolly now. But after Georgia and 91mins against Germany a lot of people on here were negative. And they never stopped abusing irish players.
This thread is a joke.

Sing when your winning!

The thing is, we are not a massively talented team - and some seem to want us to play as if we are on par with Germany and could bring the game to them over 90 minutes (whereas we caught them defending a lead - our one half decent chance before their goal resulted in Podolski almost scoring right after). We are not a bad team either, but are at best just about on par with Scotland and Poland in terms of talent. We can qualify ahead of them, but trying to squeeze one point out of the game today was a much better approach than trying to take all three, which in my opinion would have had us 3 goals down in the last 15 minutes, not 1.

Overall very happy with how MON approached this game. I hope we don't play like that again for any of the qualifiers, but let's face it, we were away to the top team in the world who beat us 3-0 in Germany exactly one year ago, and 6-1 in the Aviva exactly one year before that. All we could do was keep ourselves in the game for as long as possible, and we did exactly that.

eagle eye

I hate the rubbish the pundits come up with. Talking about how we should have played like we did in the last twenty minutes for the whole game. We would have got murdered if we tried that, it was only when Germany got their goal and set up in a more careful formation that we could try playing like we did at the end of the game.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I was at that match in Japan. 12 years ago now. I was 17.

What a final 2/3 minutes. Absolute mayhem in the stands.

It doesn't feel like 12 years ago. It was the last time we had a real quality team. Unlucky to go out on pens to Spain. South Korea in the semis. We could have actually won it. :pac:

Soups123

LordAwesome wrote: »

English broadcasters far more positive about Ireland than then Irish ones...

It used to be that RTE were firm but fair there now just uneducated on the modern game and spiteful

John said at the start of the game 'we know very little about these German players', like really just because you and a Eamon are out if touch doesn't mean the rest of us are

Kerrydude1981

castletownman wrote: »

I wonder if Joxer was present in Gelsinkirchen tonight?

At least there was no freaky goal this time

Funking Wim Kieft

_Kaiser_

LordAwesome wrote: »

English broadcasters far more positive about Ireland than then Irish ones...

Cos it's "ze Germans"

Like I said, all credit to the team for stepping up in the last quarter and it was a fantastic goal no doubt about it!

I'm just saying that we shouldn't forget what we were rightly critical of earlier amidst the celebrations

adamski8

Lapin wrote: »

Forde was my MOTM.

Why? He didn't pull off any great saves and actually made quite a few cock ups that nearly cost us big time. All he did right was a lot of big kicks up the field

Boskowski

If I ever saw a match where no team should be awarded a point this was it. Congrats anyway.

Lord Trollington

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

It doesn't feel like 12 years ago. It was the last time we had a real quality team. Unlucky to go out on pens to Spain. South Korea in the semis. We could have actually won it. :pac:

I was only out for the first 3 games. Was home for Spain game and watched in on TV in Ireland.

An Epic 20 days in Japan, stayed in Yokohama.

eagle eye

adamski8 wrote: »

Why? He didn't pull off any great saves and actually made quite a few cock ups that nearly cost us big time. All he did right was a lot of big kicks up the field

I think you need to watch the game again.

Soups123

How football men don't understand that we 'll approach a game against Scotland very differently than a game against German is beyond me.

Utter garbage

Say Your Number

Loved Dunphy's passionate speech there a minute ago.

Lord Trollington

Boskowski wrote: »

If I ever saw a match where no team should be awarded a point this was it. Congrats anyway.

"deutschland deutschland über alles" said David Drumm.

Soups123

Boskowski wrote: »

If I ever saw a match where no team should be awarded a point this was it. Congrats anyway.

That's harsh you's did deserve it

SantryRed

eagle eye wrote: »

You were negative and clueless really. You stated that they only had 3 of their World Cup squad and when I pointed out that six of them were playing you came back asking if they were regulars!?!?

Fyi five of them were regulars and Gotze. who is the one that came on and scored the goal that won the World Cup, was the only one that wasn't. He was signed twelve months ago by Bayern Munich for €37 million.

Draxler who was playing tonight is wanted by a host of top clubs and is valued somewhere around €30 million.

This was a top quality side we played against tonight. We went there for a draw, when they scored and set up in a more careful formation we changed our formation and got the draw. Forde kept us in it with some great saves after we changed our formation. If we started with that formation tonight we would have been beaten off the park.

Tactics were right from the start tonight and right after we conceded a goal.

Tactics were right. The personnel wasn't. We just can't afford to carry Robbie Keane in these games any more. He needs to be kept on the bench for the last 20. He was so ineffective in that lone man role, and we were basically playing with ten for the majority, as he wasn't helping with the defending and bar one touch, I don't think he offered anything going forward.

Walters also isn't good enough. Long is a much better option up front. Putting Hoolahan in the hole and McGeady out wide gives us natural width and a better chance of actually retaining the football. Furthermore, Hendrick and Gibson's 25 minute contribution was much better than Quinn and Whelan's 65 minute contribution.

My front 6 for the game against Scotland would be:

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Hendrick---Gibson

---

McGeady

---

McClean

---

Hoolahan

---

---

Long

---

Keane being kept for the last 30 minutes, as then his mental quickness would be a big asset to the tiring Scotland defenders.

Barely There

adamski8 wrote: »

Why? He didn't pull off any great saves and actually made quite a few cock ups that nearly cost us big time. All he did right was a lot of big kicks up the field

mada999

eagle eye wrote: »

You were negative and clueless really. You stated that they only had 3 of their World Cup squad and when I pointed out that six of them were playing you came back asking if they were regulars!?!?

Fyi five of them were regulars and Gotze. who is the one that came on and scored the goal that won the World Cup, was the only one that wasn't. He was signed twelve months ago by Bayern Munich for €37 million.

Draxler who was playing tonight and wasn't a regular at the World Cup, but did play, is wanted by a host of top clubs and is valued somewhere around €30 million.

This was a top quality side we played against tonight. We went there for a draw, when they scored and set up in a more careful formation we changed our formation and got the draw. Forde kept us in it with some great saves after we changed our formation. If we started with that formation tonight we would have been beaten off the park.

Tactics were right from the start tonight and right after we conceded a goal.

so they had less than half of the team of tonight that won the world cup? then they were a step below were they were then..still a quality team but not half as good as the team that won the world cup.. a reason to give some heart. Did Gotze look tonight like he's worth €37m, no....draxler was poor enough... they didnt really have any clear cut chances tbh.. and yes that was down to the tactics...but not the personnel from the start were not right imo

Fudge You

Billy86 wrote: »

The thing is, we are not a massively talented team - and some seem to want us to play as if we are on par with Germany and could bring the game to them over 90 minutes

Sure thats what I said all night.
I was getting in a p1sser when people on here were expecting us to be passing it around no bother against germany. The abuse for most of the irish players got on here for 91mins was awful, no need for it.

Lord Trollington

SantryRed wrote: »

Tactics were right. The personnel wasn't. We just can't afford to carry Robbie Keane in these games any more. He needs to be kept on the bench for the last 20. He was so ineffective in that lone man role, and we were basically playing with ten for the majority, as he wasn't helping with the defending and bar one touch, I don't think he offered anything going forward.

Walters also isn't good enough. Long is a much better option up front. Putting Hoolahan in the hole and McGeady out wide gives us natural width and a better chance of actually retaining the football. Furthermore, Hendrick and Gibson's 25 minute contribution was much better than Quinn and Whelan's 65 minute contribution.

My front 6 for the game against Scotland would be:

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Hendrick---Gibson

---

McGeady

---

McClean

---

Hoolahan

---

---

Long

---

Keane being kept for the last 30 minutes, as then his mental quickness would be a big asset to the tiring Scotland defenders.

McCarthy for Hendrick

Dempsey

Boskowski wrote: »

If I ever saw a match where no team should be awarded a point this was it. Congrats anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ0Sxr2gvV8

:pac:

Boskowski

Soups123 wrote: »

That's harsh you's did deserve it

I disagree, the way we let ye in towards the end after being that much in control over the game to this point was amateurish and Loew will get a bit of criticism over that.

Having said that in a way I'm delighted cos the Poland result was very bad for you and I do want to see Ireland go to the Euros, too. And I'd say we'll turn it around anyway, its a long campaign still and we'll have players back. What I'm saying is that Ireland needed that point more than we did and Ireland are my second team after all.

Lord Trollington

Why have RTE show our goal only twice.

Kerrydude1981

SantryRed wrote: »

Tactics were right. The personnel wasn't. We just can't afford to carry Robbie Keane in these games any more. He needs to be kept on the bench for the last 20. He was so ineffective in that lone man role, and we were basically playing with ten for the majority, as he wasn't helping with the defending and bar one touch, I don't think he offered anything going forward.

Walters also isn't good enough. Long is a much better option up front. Putting Hoolahan in the hole and McGeady out wide gives us natural width and a better chance of actually retaining the football. Furthermore, Hendrick and Gibson's 25 minute contribution was much better than Quinn and Whelan's 65 minute contribution.

My front 6 for the game against Scotland would be:

---

Hendrick---Gibson

---

McGeady

---

McClean

---

Hoolahan

---

---

Long

---

Keane being kept for the last 30 minutes, as then his mental quickness would be a big asset to the tiring Scotland defenders.

Hopefully Coleman and McCarthy will be back for the Scotland game as well.

Massive games coming up

SantryRed

Lord Trollington wrote: »

McCarthy for Hendrick

Thought he wouldn't make it but if he's there then for sure.

Kenjataimu

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Why have RTE show our goal only twice.

http://gfycat.com/VelvetyAlienatedCaribou

ColeTrain

Only a matter of time until someone posts the obligatory Hitler Downfall video

Diabhal Beag

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Lads Alan Hutton played well against these jokers. We're going to give them an absolute bumming tonight. Loew is going to be found out by Martin O'Neill and Ebola will be the new SARS.

Never in doubt

That wasn't even his best goal either. Remember when clinical finisher John O'Shea did this?

David Forde and Hendrick are sadly going to be overlooked for credit by Hoolahan and Gibson but fair ****s.

Hitchens

Fowler87 wrote: »

Thought Hendrix was mighty when he came in

good guitar player in fairness

Conas

mada999 wrote: »

so they had less than half of the team of tonight that won the world cup? then they were a step below were they were then..still a quality team but not half as good as the team that won the world cup.. a reason to give some heart. Did Gotze look tonight like he's worth €37m, no....draxler was poor enough... they didnt really have any clear cut chances tbh.. and yes that was down to the tactics...but not the personnel from the start were not right imo

The German side tonight was rubbish. Yeah they won the World Cup a few months back, but tonight they were there for the taking, I think we really could have beaten them.

O Neill has always been a cautious and fairly direct playing manager has he not?

He's similar to Trap but tbh if he gets similar results who cares.

Billy86

Conas wrote: »

The German side tonight was rubbish. Yeah they won the World Cup a few months back, but tonight they were there for the taking, I think we really could have beaten them.

Yeah, they'll be struggling against Gibraltar at this rate I reckon.

Fudge You

https://twitter.com/Inphosports/status/522127631157047298/photo/1

Love Walters face in this pic.