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[Everything water charges here] Right To Water Protest 2pm Nov 1st @ Eyre Sq

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    #182
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,958 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    The taxation drop that I've received from the 2015 budget will well and truly cover our water charges. YMMV.


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    #183
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Doom wrote: »
    Water have been paid for in general taxation...now they have water charges.
    Double taxation explained:
    Water services through general tax.
    + water charges (a tax).
    =double tax

    So have busses, trains, health services and electricity but the reality of it is if we want a decent service then we have to pay for it.


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    #184
    inisboffin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,389 ✭✭✭inisboffin


    MadYaker wrote: »
    They placed the meters outside on the path because that's where the tap controlling the flow into your house is. And water charges aren't a double tax, they won't be paid through general taxation anymore so you pay once, based on what you use. Not twice.

    If there's a leak on your property (between the meter and your house) then it's your job to find it and IW will fix it for you if you find it within a year? Have I got that right? That sounds fair to me.


    If there's a leak on *your* property that's your 'fault' fair enough, but why offer to fix only one leak? Surely if there's a problem outside your property line (granted a lot of land between is often on the owners' property but not all), then IW should fix all of that? It's really unclear from the wording if IW intend to take care of any leak they *caused* (by error in installation, pressure, whatever). See my above post re waste. I know it's not the same thing but I just find almost everything about their 'terms' vague. In terms of a contract this seems off. Also how are people with no water meters who use less that 30,000 litres going to fare, those who do conserve water? If they receive an estimate for 200+ quid then that is completely unfair.

    To be clear, I personally have no problem paying for water (in a reasonable and well defined way) in order to maintain a good service, but there are way too many holes and vagueness connected to IW and this proposed solution for me to support it.


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    #185
    Doom
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    So have busses, trains, health services and electricity but the reality of it is if we want a decent service then we have to pay for it.

    Decent like health and transport.... Big useless tax eating areas, where consistent governments cannot run them.... Irish water will join them soon.


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    #186
    Doom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Doom


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    The taxation drop that I've received from the 2015 budget will well and truly cover our water charges. YMMV.

    Taxation drop... Where? Overall in 2014/2015 you will pay more taxes.


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    #187
    joeKel73
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Doom wrote: »
    You should bow out of this thread gracefully... You're all alone in your support for IW... And to be honest a bit of a troll in this thread.
    Not true.

    I'm certainly a supporter of the concept of a national agency for water management: it's ridiculous that county councils, some of whose terriroty is barely larger than a postage stamp (Leitrim, I'm looking at you) should have to maintain separate water infrastructure. Water supply is a nationa issue, and economies of scale are the way to go.

    +1 in support of the Irish Water concept. I've studied water treatment and visited several water treatment plants so have seen the cost involved in providing a clean water supply. Each local authority trying to maintain a neglected (underfunded) pipe network and patchwork of treatment facilities just wasn't working. It's madness the volume of treated water that's lost in the network.
    Doom wrote: »
    If you like to be double taxed... Fair play to you

    Yes, it's essentially a tax increase as the whole water treatment and pipe network was underfunded for decades.

    So why not just increase the general existing taxes? Because having a separate water charge will also start to give people an appreciation of their water supply. I don't think we have that here as is in other countries with a water charge. It will also help ring-fence the money for this purpose as the system was neglected for decades as most of the problems can't be seen and so don't provide a good photo opportunity for politicians coming up to elections.
    snubbleste wrote: »
    Will they switch the fountain on?
    I hope you realise it's the same water being re-circulated? :o The rain this week will fill it nicely in time for the protest. ;)


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    #188
    biko
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    Some stuff removed.
    Keep it civil and keep it local.


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    #189
    Wompa1
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    The taxation drop that I've received from the 2015 budget will well and truly cover our water charges. YMMV.

    Exactly...for some they'll pay less tax overall, for most it'll actually end up as paying slightly more or about the same.

    Smoke and Mirrors....Yay, look at us...here's your reward for living through austerity. We're going to lower your taxes and then introduce these charges...so, really, nothing has changed. Yay!!


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    #190
    joeKel73
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    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Exactly...for some they'll pay less tax overall, for most it'll actually end up as paying slightly more or about the same.

    Smoke and Mirrors....Yay, look at us...here's your reward for living through austerity. We're going to lower your taxes and then introduce these charges...so, really, nothing has changed. Yay!!

    So we'll finally start sorting out the water supply issues but we'll only "end up as paying slightly more or about the same". Sounds good to me. ;)


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    #191
    Wompa1
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    J o e wrote: »
    So we'll finally start sorting out the water supply issues but we'll only "end up as paying slightly more or about the same". Sounds good to me. ;)

    That's a big IF...that's like we'll finally get a bypass for Galway or we'll finally get our Art House cinema...

    With the speed that things move. I'd take a guess that IF it does actually happen it will take a long time.

    What I don't understand about all of this ****e is surely, when the EU partially funds infrastructure development in EU countries, wouldn't they be footing most of the bill anyways? Our major roads were 80% funded by the EU, Irish rail has received EU funding etc.

    It's all smoke and mirrors...We need more transparency to see how the books are balanced in Ireland. I think we'd all be pretty shocked at what's going on


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    #192
    joeKel73
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    Well what else would Irish Water be doing if they're not making a start on sorting out the water supply issue?

    Yes, it will take quite some time... it's been neglected for a long time.


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    #193
    Wompa1
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    J o e wrote: »
    Well what else would Irish Water be doing if they're not making a start on sorting out the water supply issue?

    Yes, it will take quite some time... it's been neglected for a long time.

    'Plannning', Installing Water Meters. Collecting money


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    #194
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Give up the medical card and.....?

    What's the alternative?

    A less useless service for the rest of us.


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    #195
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    gordongekko wrote: »
    A less useless service for the rest of us.

    How do you reckon? Was there a time when the system wasn't anything other than complete muck?

    Who's to say it's due to the socialism aspect, it may have a lot to do with mismanagement and a broken system...


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    #196
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users Posts: 25,958 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Doom wrote: »
    Taxation drop... Where? Overall in 2014/2015 you will pay more taxes.

    That's not how I'm reading the budget - please explain.


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    #197
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    How do you reckon? Was there a time when the system wasn't anything other than complete muck?

    Who's to say it's due to the socialism aspect, it may have a lot to do with mismanagement and a broken system...

    I don't know all I can tell you is any time I've had the misfortune to have to use the use once I got into the system the service was excellent. It's the administration of the service where the issue is.


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    #198
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    'Plannning', Installing Water Meters. Collecting money


    ^ All necessary steps in the path to a better water supply...


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    #199
    Going Forward
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    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    That's not how I'm reading the budget - please explain.

    Water and property tax add a chunk on to my tax bill.


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    #200
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    gordongekko wrote: »
    I don't know all I can tell you is any time I've had the misfortune to have to use the use once I got into the system the service was excellent. It's the administration of the service where the issue is.

    My Dad is paralyzed due to negligence on part of the staff in a certain Galway hospital. He hasn't been able to work in 15 years and until recently solicitors in the country wouldn't touch a malpractice suit. My dad also received a nasty spinal infection from a different Galway Hospital, said Hospital diagnosed him with late stage inoperable cancer...Oh how we laughed!

    My brother went in for a routine operation to remove his tonsils and had to be kept in for two days due to hemorrhaging. Exact same thing happened to two other people in our village who had the same procedure within a few weeks of my brother by the same surgeon.

    My sister was in and out of hospitals around the west, including private hospitals through insurance with pretty bad symptoms. Never found the answer and they just gave up after a couple of years and offered ways to deal with it rather than come up with what the cause was. She's been in a different country since February of this year, went to the doctor and got the answer and treatment...

    Myself, I started getting bad pains in my joints and some other ailments. Was bounced around from hospital to hospital and back and forth\to and from my GP. Anywho, they landed on it being caused by a blood disease. It took me 6 months to get an appointment with a consultant. I was in the hospital for hours because the nurses forgot to test my bloods for the actual probable cause and the whole reason I was there. When I got seen to by the consultant, no exaggeration, he was in the room for 2 minutes.

    He rhymed off some BS and I said, yeah but I already did that test and my GP said he sent over the results and they showed blah blah...Oh, ok, come back in 5 months time. If you have any questions, feel free to ask Dr. Blah Blah. Dr. Blah Blah was a junior doctor who couldn't answer any of my questions and told me I could ask them next time. I never did receive that follow up appointment, I gave up.

    I don't think the Doctors are poor and I don't think it's the Medical Card that's the problem. It's mismanagement and corruption..Corruption being, in my eyes one of the biggest problems we have in the city and country


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    #201
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    J o e wrote: »
    ^ All necessary steps in the path to a better water supply...

    Not necessarily, what's the estimated cost of this project. There will need to be a large investment up front, with less cost for operation on a day to day basis afterwards. Without knowing all of the ins and outs of our income and expenditure, I at least can't say it's necessary.

    I always go back to it, I think it's the best example in Galway at least. But look at the investment the University has received during the bad times. New Gym (But the students paid for that...nah..who really paid for it), New Engineering Building, The Library\Reading Room expansion, The new medical building...and a few years before all of this you had the Nursing building and the Commerce building.

    You also have the senior lecturers and President and his co-horts running up expenses. Though, I suspect those will drop significantly this year due to the outcry the previous year.

    Imagine if they were actually running a tight ship...how much money could be saved and that's only one example. Also, as we're in the EU every feckin project goes out to tender and the cheapest has to be used but when they go through that process they are never getting what you or I would pay. Building two sets of steps shouldn't costs hundreds of thousands of euros...It's awful muck! We're being taken for a ride....I doubt I'm the only cynic on here but when they make these decisions like with Irish water, my first thought is, what's in it for them.

    The Denis O'Brien affiliation right away raises suspicions...What's Brian Cowan at these days?...last I heard he was consulting for Topaz...


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    #202
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Doom wrote: »
    Would you like to meet and discuss???

    2pm Nov1st Eyre sq???


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    #203
    Doom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Doom


    gordongekko wrote: »
    2pm Nov1st Eyre sq???

    Pm sent


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    #204
    Crumbs868
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    Going Forward wrote: »
    Water and property tax add a chunk on to my tax bill.

    Property tax is not new, so not relevant to your point


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    #205
    Phoebas
    Registered Users Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Crumbs868 wrote: »
    Property tax is not new, so not relevant to your point

    And water charges weren't part of this budget either.
    Some shifting of the goalposts in relation to the budget going on.


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    #206
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Phoebas wrote: »
    And water charges weren't part of this budget either.
    Some shifting of the goalposts in relation to the budget going on.

    :pac:

    They are an extra charge being mandated by the government, also this years budget had reductions for said water charges. I for one didn't claim they were part of it but I did claim it was smoke and mirrors...they bring in extra charges and then make compromises in the budget...it's crap


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    #207
    joeKel73
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    Wompa1 wrote: »
    I for one didn't claim they were part of it but I did claim it was smoke and mirrors...they bring in extra charges and then make compromises in the budget...it's crap

    So, you're happy with the budget?


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    #208
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    J o e wrote: »
    So, you're happy with the budget?

    Don't live there at the moment. Looking to move back. But going off what I was earning before I left, I would not be happy with it. But then it's been a downward slide since 2007 anyways...

    What's crappy this time is the political posturing. They have the spin machine in full swing. The working single middle incomers are still getting f*cked.


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    #209
    galwayfellaBETA
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭galwayfellaBETA


    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    Yeah, that is captialism and if you dont like it go back to your occupy tent in the square.......... oh wait:rolleyes:

    Jasus... OTHER people are trying to protect your kids/grandkids from being charged and profitted from, for a basic human right and all you nuts on the Galway form can do is be critical.


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    #210
    galwayfellaBETA
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭galwayfellaBETA


    antoobrien wrote: »
    Sierra (one of the contractors that are installing meters) are owned by Siteserv, owned by the bould Dennis.

    One would think that you couldn't make this sh*t up, but someone has manged the "creative leap" between a the owner of a company working in a limited capacity for Irish Water to him owning it.

    The mind boggles.

    My mind is boggling too .... are you so naive to think that 'Irish Water' won't land in his lap (or some other billionaire) after 2016 ?


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    #211
    antoobrien
    Registered Users Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    The Denis O'Brien affiliation right away raises suspicions

    Can somebody explain, besides him owning one of the contractors that installs the meters, what the concern about Dennis & IW is?


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