Serbia v Albania

The_Kew_Tour

http://balls.ie/football/video-serbia-v-albania-abandoned-flag-carrying-drone/

Just seen this. Crazy Stuff.

Who is to blame? Was not wise move by Albanians but you have to wonder why UEFA have them in same group with history these 2 countries/groups have.

Guffy

Serbs to be kicked out? Empty stadium rest of way at the very least.

Dozen Wicked Words

Not sure how many more chances Serbia get. Let's see uefa do something now.

The_Kew_Tour

Yes, it surely seems like Serbia time is up and they wil have tobget some sort severe punishment now.

I'm amazed more fans did not enter pitch . Thankfully not, but could have got real nasty if they had

dundalkfc10

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Not sure how many more chances Serbia get. Let's see uefa do something now.

Uefa will do nothing, Fine and game played behind closed doors!

dundalkfc10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-oY0DuMkak

This was the scene is Kosovo!

Wouldnt say the Shamrock Rovers hooligans would cause any **** over there

CatFromHue

Whoever flew the drone into the stadium is to blame.

From reports it's meant to be an Albanian too, brother of one of the head guys as well.

Jelle1880

CatFromHue wrote: »

Whoever flew the drone into the stadium is to blame.

From reports it's meant to be an Albanian too, brother of one of the head guys as well.

Things were problematic long before that happened though.

Flares, chairs, bottles,... being thrown at Albanian players etc.

Seriously how in the **** are Serbia allowed to host matches still? There wasn't long before their fans were on the pitch and the security may as well not have been there.

UnitedIrishman

Throw them out. Harsh on the team but their FA allowing the same idiots get tickets every game deserves nothing less. That bald headed guy on the pitch in the video is the same guy from their rioting in Italy a couple of years ago.

dfx-

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Yes, it surely seems like Serbia time is up and they wil have tobget some sort severe punishment now.

I'm amazed more fans did not enter pitch . Thankfully not, but could have got real nasty if they had

That's what I find mental about it from the Albanian players' reaction. They were outnumbered about 5,000 to one in a ground with easy enough access to the pitch and lunatic fans with a history. They were very lucky it didn't get nastier.

UEFA could easily say their reaction incited the riot

LuckyLloyd

dfx- wrote: »

That's what I find mental about it from the Albanian players' reaction. They were outnumbered about 5,000 to one in a ground with easy enough access to the pitch and lunatic fans with a history. They were very lucky it didn't get nastier.

UEFA could easily say their reaction incited the riot

And UEFA would be wrong.

From that video I can see nothing wrong with what they did. They threw some digs in self defense (a couple of good ones too) and got off the pitch as a group when it was clear their safety was in jeapordy.

Serbia should be banned from International competition full stop.

Pudsy33

Albania players shouldnt have reacted how they did but it's understandable given the level of abuse they were reportedly being subjected to. Something needs to be done about Serbia.

LuckyLloyd

And UEFA: how in the name of jaysus are Serbia and Albania allowed in the same group? If we're splitting Spain and Gibraltor for political reasons like!!

Still, Serbia have a history and seemingly no interest in improving their behaviour. Time to remove them as a consideration.

vicwatson

Can people please refrain from calling these thugs "fans" ?

Fr Tod Umptious

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Albania players shouldnt have reacted how they did but it's understandable given the level of abuse they were reportedly being subjected to. Something needs to be done about Serbia.

Hmmm.
Sounds like something from a hundred years ago that line.

SantryRed

vicwatson wrote: »

Can people please refrain from calling these thugs "fans" ?

They're in the ground, they're fans. It's up to the FA to keep them out, then you can see it wasn't fans that caused it.

Lovely Bloke

vicwatson wrote: »

Can people please refrain from calling these thugs "fans" ?

no, that's the bolloxology line that's rolled out by people when fans of their team act the animal.

These people ARE fans - fans of the clubs who embrace the culture and let them effectively run the clubs, fans of the national team where the Serbian FA allow them to get away with the same thing.

It goes on all over Eastern Europe, even as far as Italy where these far-right, racists hold sway, not only in football clubs, but in almost all aspects of life.

It's actually a deeper thing than out and out racism - it's seeded in a genuine fear of the left/communism - remember, 25 years ago all of these countries were under the thumb of Russia, and even lads I know from the younger generation, too young to remember any of that era, are still afraid to vote for even moderately left-leaning political parties.

Of course, the kind of extreme nationalism/right wing ideals are the reaction to 70 years of subjugation to communist dictatorships, and even longer, more deep-rooted ethnic tensions.

To blame the Serbs only is a pretty lopsided view.

I agree that their football fans are usually the ones causing outrage, and something should be done - but some Albanian/Kosovar flew a provocative flag over the stadium, it was almost guaranteed to start a riot.

While Serbian fans have had their moments, surely this time the Albanians should be in trouble. I mean, the brother of their PM trying to provoke a riot?

Pudsy33

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Hmmm.
Sounds like something from a hundred years ago that line.

I meant more from a football standpoint and not an ethic cleansing one....

Brussels Sprout

Ok, clearly UEFA messed up by not applying the same partition in their draw that they do to the likes of Armenia and Azerbaijan (as a side note, a few years ago when Azerbaijan hosted the Eurovision Armenia refused to take part).

The most sensible solution at this stage is to host both of the games between these teams in this group in a nearby neutral venue like somewhere in Italy.

ArmaniJeanss

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

And UEFA: how in the name of jaysus are Serbia and Albania allowed in the same group? If we're splitting Spain and Gibraltor for political reasons like!!

UEFA would have asked both FAs pre the draw whether there was a problem with such a fixture, so both must have given the go-ahead for it.
Over the years UEFA have had no problem doing these splits, Russia & Georgia and Turkey & Greece are others that I remember from certain times as being segregated in draws.

Its a bit unfair to aftertime it as other potentially combustible games in the region have gone ahead with minimal problems, like Bosnia v Serbia or Croatia v Serbia, Greece v Macedonia etc.

Harry Palmr

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Ok, clearly UEFA messed up by not applying the same partition in their draw that they do to the likes of Armenia and Azerbaijan (as a side note, a few years ago when Azerbaijan hosted the Eurovision Armenia refused to take part).

The most sensible solution at this stage is to host both of the games between these teams in this group in a nearby neutral venue like somewhere in Italy.

Not sure Italy would be the best place to be honest! If Serbia are sanctioned so should Albania be, the drone stunt was a crazy provocation. Makes Souness flag planting look sane.

homerjay2005

Deleted User wrote: »

While Serbian fans have had their moments, surely this time the Albanians should be in trouble. I mean, the brother of their PM trying to provoke a riot?

agree. what ever sanctions Serbia get, should be doubled for Albania. its their players and supporters that kicked off this.

had their players been more composed, this mess wouldnt have happened.

TaosHum

Serbian players to their credit were telling fans to get off the pitch and trying to stop them getting to the Albanians. Remarkable when you consider the Albanians went crazy over the Serbian taking the flag off the drone.

Punish the fans, not the team IMO. Play the games behind closed doors or neutral venue.

TheCitizen

Fleg fury.

elefant

Bit sickening seeing that fan attacking an Albanian player with a chair near the centre circle. Delighted to see Cana give him a good thumping when he got hold of him.

Serbia should be punished for the pathetic security if nothing else.

Guffy

There were no albanian fans there, officially. Albanian fa can't be held responsible sure can they?

Gringo180

gufc21 wrote: »

There were no albanian fans there, officially. Albanian fa can't be held responsible sure can they?

There was a few thousand Albanian fans there.

SherlockWatson

gufc21 wrote: »

There were no albanian fans there, officially. Albanian fa can't be held responsible sure can they?

It was an Albanian that flew the drone and sparked all this though, they'll surely be somewhat punished?

Guffy

I know but from what I've read none of them came through the Albanian FA. Were they not offered 2000 tickets and turned it down. Any fan there was then the responsibility of Serbian FA no?

gufc21

gufc21 wrote: »

Any fan there was then the responsibility of Serbian FA no?

I wouldn't blame them when the brother of the Albanian PM wants to prompt a riot. I think the brother of the Albanian PM is responsible for his own actions.

Guffy

Depends what capacity he was there in doesn't it? Irresponsible yes but if it wasn't an official capacity I'm sure albanians would have a case. Serbian stadium, security and tickets.

josip

gufc21 wrote: »

Depends what capacity he was there in doesn't it? Irresponsible yes but if it wasn't an official capacity I'm sure albanians would have a case. Serbian stadium, security and tickets.

It seems he was there as a US citizen.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/euro-2016/11163216/Serbia-v-Albania-abandoned-following-mass-brawl-after-drone-flies-over-stadium-carrying-Albanian-flag.html

castletownman

I see another camera angle has emerged where it shows one fan entering the field of play wielding an umbrella. I thought that was only an legitimate form of attack in a over-heated junior B football match

thelad95

What do people think the likely sanctions will be? I'd like to see both teams having to play the remainder of their qualifiers behind closed doors with no away fans allowed for their away games.

Some of the utter scumbags who came on to the pitch and were caught on camera should be banned for life. The English FA managed to eradicate most of this bolloxology with lifetime bans for cretins like those who came on to the pitch. It doesn't matter that an Albanian 'fan' started it, by all accounts there was going to be trouble anyway.

Sanction them both

The_Kew_Tour

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

no, that's the bolloxology line that's rolled out by people when fans of their team act the animal.

These people ARE fans - fans of the clubs who embrace the culture and let them effectively run the clubs, fans of the national team where the Serbian FA allow them to get away with the same thing.

It goes on all over Eastern Europe, even as far as Italy where these far-right, racists hold sway, not only in football clubs, but in almost all aspects of life.

It's actually a deeper thing than out and out racism - it's seeded in a genuine fear of the left/communism - remember, 25 years ago all of these countries were under the thumb of Russia, and even lads I know from the younger generation, too young to remember any of that era, are still afraid to vote for even moderately left-leaning political parties.

Of course, the kind of extreme nationalism/right wing ideals are the reaction to 70 years of subjugation to communist dictatorships, and even longer, more deep-rooted ethnic tensions.

To blame the Serbs only is a pretty lopsided view.

I agree that their football fans are usually the ones causing outrage, and something should be done - but some Albanian/Kosovar flew a provocative flag over the stadium, it was almost guaranteed to start a riot.

Very good post.

SherlockWatson

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Very good post.

That's what is for.

The_Kew_Tour

rarnes1 wrote: »

Sanction them both

Agree.

Although I think Serbia have used up all their lives at this stage.

Few people in Uefa should be banned too for having them in same group.

keeponhurling

Pudsy33 wrote: »

I meant more from a football standpoint and not an ethic cleansing one....

The ethnic cleansing forum is that way >>>>>

Come on lads, it wasn't that bad, it's not like someone was waving a Palestinian flag.

The_Kew_Tour

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Come on lads, it wasn't that bad, it's not like someone was waving a Palestinian flag.

Dundalk fans worse then Serbian fans

Flying a provocative flag into your rivals stadium is insane. Imagine a tricolour on a drone over Windsor Park in 1993? Id say certain fatalities!

Unfortunately for Albania they'll get punished for whoever thought that was a good idea but they'll have to get some punishment.

It goes without saying Serbia should be punished. I wouldn't throw them out but I'd deduct points and all games behind closed doors.

DDC1990

While the flag was an obvious provokation, and both sides acted stupidly on the field, i'd 100% take the points from Serbia after that. Not sure that Albania deserve them either.

The security in the stadium was worse then awful. Supporters that were meant to be banned from the stadium after previous events were still there. Racist chants were being chanted during the match. The match was stopped because of an incident with a flare.

Then supporters got on the field and attacked opposition players. Stewards riled up the crowd and did nothing to stop guys getting on the field. Chairs, bottles and other objects were thrown at players trying to get into the tunnel.

If they are being consistent (Denmark v Sweden 2007) the points would be taken from the team who's supporters attacked players. All their games should be played behind closed doors.

I wouldn't be sure what sanction would be appropriate for Albania. Maybe a bit more then the €18,000 fine or whatever Dundalk got, considering the volatile nature of the situation. Maybe give no points to either side for the match?

A bit more of a fine than Dundalk? For flying a flag in and nearly starting a riot?

Id imagine it will be substantially more but you never know with UEFA

DDC1990

rarnes1 wrote: »

A bit more of a fine than Dundalk? For flying a flag in and nearly starting a riot?

Id imagine it will be substantially more but you never know with UEFA

I should have added a winky face :P

The_Kew_Tour

Behind closed door matches for rest of campaign and also for WC 2018 qualifiers with hefty fine for Serbia.

Both teams to get no points from it and move on.

josip

Albania to play the remainder of the matches in Serbian kit and vice versa.
The Albanian national anthem to be played before Serbian matches and vice versa.

TheCitizen

josip wrote: »

Albania to play the remainder of the matches in Serbian kit and vice versa.
The Albanian national anthem to be played before Serbian matches and vice versa.

With drones carrying flegs hovering over them as they line up.

Augmerson

Remove kebab.