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Richmond Ultra wrote: »I was at the UCC game today. Carlow looked the hungrier of the two sides today. Kavanagh ran the show in midfield. UCC looked cocky and it showed plenty of short puckouts that didn't work. What ever happened to the old fashioned lump down the field. O'Donnell very over rated and didn't do much.
Hartnett got a good goal but then went off with a hand,arm injury. He was down a few times before going off the field.
Hallisey had a mare for the goals but still made a smart few saves during the game.
I'll be throwing a few quid on Carlow for the fitz after watching them today.
UCC had a team bonding weekend last week ahead of the final. Probably A reason for the loss.
Thanks that
Who stood out cork wise please0 -
Mhuire ag
Darren O connell na piarssigh
Eddie gunning na piarssigh
Colin o sullivan na piarssigh
Robert O meara na piarssigh
Aileann bhreaththnch na piarssigh
Brian callaghan na piarssigh
Adam O Donovan glen
Eddie laoire na piarssigh
Liam coughlan glen
Paul white glen
Dayne lee na piarssigh
Killian aherne na piarssigh
Evan sheehan na piarssigh
Dan gunning na piarssigh
Ciaran hannafin na piarssigh
Subs
Conor o brien carig na bhfear
Conor Buckley na piarssigh
Cathal o cuileann glen
Craig hanafinn na piarssigh
Adam sullivan glen
Jamie o morrisey na piarssigh
Cian mac giolla na piarssigh
David bhraham glen
Sean o meara na piarssigh
Eoin o Neill glen
Craig connelly na piarssigh
Jamie mcgrath na piarssigh
Doon
Ryan renehahan cappawhite
David longergan Cappamore
Brian Macpartland doon
Mike o brien doon
Brian Mccarthy pallasgreen
Shane O connell doon
Robbie Quirke cappawhite
Jack Cummins doon
Anthony foley Cappamore
Colin Ryan pallasgreen
Barry Murphy doon
Matt feehan Sean Tracey
Mark Coleman doon
Mike feehan Sean Tracey
Joe longergan Cappamore
Subs
Sean mcmahon Cappamore
Alan cosgrave pallasgreen
Jason fitzginbon Cappamore
Dylan o connor hospital herbestown darragh clancy cappawhite
Eoin o malley Cappamore
Dylan dwyer doon
Tadhg whelan doon
Jordan Hayes eire og Annacarthy
John Richardson murrohe Boher
Paduric Ryan doon
Fiacthra Hogan Cappamore
Joe keough pallasgreen
Kevin mcmahon pallasgreen
Padraigh Fitzgerald Cappamore
Thus was a dry day and ground was hard and it was cold and crisp on lovely ptich in Mallow.
No wind which is unusual for the mallow ptich.
Today mhuire ag won their game of chess against the grandmasters at the sweeper and more so with Brendan bulger coaching them, there not at grandmaster level yet but the cork schools are certainly on the right path and today wasn't a game of hurling in freestyle but today hugely significant in evolution and development of the team the coaches and cork hurling in these lads won a dogfight, a battle,a war of attrition in exactly like I predicted the game would be, a dour struggle but a thriller in its own sense I said in my preview.
I was bang on.
The cork side showed composure, heart,brave heart warrior courage of lions, a steel raw courage and survival instinct like Eskimos in the Antarctic, a ruthless conviction to when the game was in greatest moment to get the last two scores and and face challenge head on and winning such a game now shows while tactical wise concerns imo r remains they showed huge stomach for battle and today will bring them on hugely.
Doon got the ist scores with barry Murphy majestic ist three from play and free and it was tit for that one all,two all, then three all but hanafinn and awesome dan gunning made them lead four to three and it was a tactical battle no one giving or loosing an inch
In fact doon has organised cohesion and team ethic and superb spirt but Murphy was main score with the awesome Shane o connell from half back some superb long distance point.
But the goal was to be crucial.
A brilliant deliver by eddie gunning who marked longergan at spells but then a free role at large spells gave sublime delivery to hes superb brother dan.
A lovely jink and swagger like Brian o driscoll v lions in 2001 ist test, gunning who I said was sensational in my preview and unmarkable just burned he's defender with a waltzing matilda run and on the right hand side billowed the back of the net,then gunning he's brother won another ball straight after found dan the man again and such another tremendous point so then they were one five to three up,got a free from sheehan who understandably at just fifteen missed a few but he had a superb game, got a point and it was one six to three.
Doon never panicked.
Robbie quirke who plays as forwards in other games I had said he'd be the floater dropping deep but they started him half back, sublime game the tipp hurler and he started with o connell and macpartland win ball and Murphy duly obliged as Donovan as good as he is found Murphy tough.
Ryan won ball but callaghan done as good as Job as any.
Ryan uncharacteristically missed some crucial frees but they eventually Brought themselves back to two at half time.
In fact at one point they got three in a row and ag were on the ropes, the need was greatest, so stand up Dan gunning to get huge point need was greatest
Lee in was getting stuck in and he really worked today, touch at times was off but he got crucial score and the won lot ball and while o connell also did well he prevented o connell venture too far forward in lee posed such a threat o connell had to hold the centre at all times.
Killian aherne had an awesome game winning loads ball on ground and air and himself and quirke had their moments.
Aherne worked hard just sixteen he is cork minors next year and two years left at harty.
He lives in Mallow knows ptich well today he wasn't just at home in he's town truly he was at home in elite hurling company at harty cup and if he started v castetroy they would have won tremendous credit to lordan and shorten for starting him and Aherne at half forward.
I'm very surprised David bhraham bar injury made way in he didn't start but had three points the last day.
A crucial goal line clearance with two minutes left of the half was made after the solid o connell uncharacteristically dropped a high ball and bhreaththnch cleared it.
He made vital clearance at vital time.
O connell constantly roaring at defender showing huge leadership.
I was in the stand sitting down in the centre and despite young lads cheers could cleary hear o connell.
Half time they led by two
The second half was crucial two up, they needed a booster ag mhuire
But doon got it a lovely ball in to the square, Barry Murphy timed he's run to perfection like Alan shearer or Messi timing run in to the box, and finished brilliantly.
That brought doon on hugely.
Coleman was dropping deep and winning load ball and doon were winning huge ball but all you saw time and time again was a yellow blaze of glory time and again emerging from defence.
No it was not a yellow submarine it was the majestic eddie gunning.
This was backs to the cork wall stuff and callaghan and o meara and Donovan at the fore but still gunning was the jesus Christ of ag today and unlike jesus he had not twelve but fourteen disciples
Lads was best display I've ever seen single Handley by a defender in school match and I seen some performances but wearing two but covering so much ground and then with dan gunning taking short free eddie steeped up two crucial points from free so it was like watching Brian cocran in 92 at corner back but everywhere and free taker also v tipp in senior munster final
Game was level and our by the side line with three minutes thirty two seconds to go he got hooked blocked lost the ball among four players.
Another player would lost its
I have no idea how he won the ball back but he did and then won a free after a late pull and brilliant tevor horgan allowed physical game gave him a free.
Other players would fell to the ground
Gunning jumped up like skippy the kangaroo but clinched he's right fist with a passion that it meant so so so much to win that free.
Within seconds he composed himself forty yards Out put to hit a beauty free from hard angle.
This Lad has to has to be simply has to be called up the Waterford crystals panel
He's shouldered forward, real discipline aggressive play, got hits and bounced off them he relished the tough stuff
This lad perferormance must be conveyed to jbm simply must.
He's ten times better will kearney.
Hannafin had glorious chance to goal but renehahan made a super save but dayne lee then won superb ball burst though defenders great point
But then he had oceans time and awful touch let him down with certain score on
Today though he stood up in he worked he's socks off and showed stomach for battle
Coughlan has some engine and was memorising in midfield.
Callaghan held Ryan.
Gunning covered space in behind Murphy but Murphy won too many one to one v he's opponent
Evan sheehan was brilliant for a fifteen year old and got sublime last minute point and he's going to get better and better in three more years this level showed great composure and work ethic
Ag mhuire deserve huge credit every panel members and shorten and lordan and donal o grady in background but they got some match up right but crucially not Murphy one.
Form gunning was In he'd tied Murphy down and doon were limited as none other forwards are scoring forwards like him so as much as gunning sweeper be lost it didn't matter as they couldn't score
Two gunnings, sheehan, callaghan. O connell, coughlan, aherne, hanafinn, lee were immense but in truth a superb team effort
Doon looked disappointed at the end but their a fine team and get every inch out of the school are a credit to limerick and been superb in the harty cup and will come again as their hard tough honest school I have tonnes admiration for and respect and had suffered tragedy on and off the field but always come back strong.
There a wonderful school a credit to their county
Ag mhuire credit to cork and city hurling, they can beat any team and the draw will reveal more, possibly Ard scoil be ahead rest.
Any teams left can beat each other especially in a cork derby but ag if they avoid Ard scoil and get nenagh for example would win
If they meet castetroy again they will beat them in fact I hope they don't get a cork team or Ard scoil but instead get nenagh or castetroy in the draw.
Great day, four out possible seven cork teams entered in harty making the knock out but midelton been huge favourite puts a dampener on it
If ag had been beaten you say that was possible but midelton was a disaster
Rochestown won munster b under sixteen hurling and a half 2-15 beating Christ ri so sounds competitive and great for cork so third title at that grade with a fourth a possibility Friday with fermoy
Congratulations to them and commiserations to Christ ri both teams done cork proud
Well done to hammies a clean sweep and top the group can beat any team outside Ard scoil
Charville hard luck but their young so their building for next year
Best luck rochestowm Friday v our lady's
They should rest john sullivan has he had a big game today and they need him so don't risk injury by playing him so soon Friday.
As for o Keeffe and Craig connelly no they would not be starting this team good players but not in current team just yet as very good but not better than those starting.
Jamie morrisey would be starting imo if needed, young but brilliant hurling he has.0 -
Richmond Ultra wrote: »I was at the UCC game today. Carlow looked the hungrier of the two sides today. Kavanagh ran the show in midfield. UCC looked cocky and it showed plenty of short puckouts that didn't work. What ever happened to the old fashioned lump down the field. O'Donnell very over rated and didn't do much.
Hartnett got a good goal but then went off with a hand,arm injury. He was down a few times before going off the field.
Hallisey had a mare for the goals but still made a smart few saves during the game.
I'll be throwing a few quid on Carlow for the fitz after watching them today.
UCC had a team bonding weekend last week ahead of the final. Probably A reason for the loss.
RU, were you at the UCC game today ?0 -
Breadandbutter wrote: »RU, were you at the UCC game today ?
He just said he was first line read it again it's clear to see0 -
Ronan Dwane training Midleton CBS again this year, explains a lot. Didn't this Midleton group win the Dean Ryan and White Cup?0
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Seventh real problem midelton is coaching is in that's why their out.
I don't blame players.
Mistakes made v Hamilton were not rectified it seems.
Ronan dayne current cork intermediate manager was in charge team for midelton
I had thought Sean hurley was the manager but dayne is manager.
Dwayne is great hurling man but he's tactical nous and team selection at carrigtohill and other teams is poor and imo they should have new management next year as this team imo had talent but as I clearly said team picked was incorrect
Dwayne has some success in schools and done great work no doubt but elite level record is poor.
I'd agree orizo.
Niall Mccarthy coaching them and he's good and there fit but the problem is Dwayne game management imo and I'd be slow to doubt these players or questions character now as I think they have huge character and talent but every team needs great coaching and looking at team started management made mistakes not players.
It's ironic in brilliant management alwuin kearney and Tim Collins got match up spot on Saturday but they lost exceptional good counsel extra time in game I couldn't call yet against good nenagh hardly great with respect yet with so much talent they loose imo it's poor management
This Is not been wise after but dayne record is poor success wise in coaching
Huge huge set back for school but if kearney and Collins with niall mac take over harty next year dean Ryan cup team next two years can win harty.
It won't win under current management imo.
And today was a disaster for team so much talent that could went long way imo.
This group won all way up age groups so common demoaitor is management imo.
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I had said my preview danger men were hayden and cahalan among others and they got two goals.
Surely management knew bout these players and midelton had top defender to mark them.
Very noticeable as well no subs were used by midelton.
The midelton hurlers started every one is fine hurlers no doubt question is though some opponents were so good would required certain strengths to mark them, not there poor hurlers no, just you do horses for course scenario
It seems Brenda maccarthy. Looney and cahill were good so cork hurlers were fine just most not gotten out of team as whole imo that happens usually management are to blame imo.
It now appears killian Tracey was corner back and ed leahy at midfield
Imo these two with mcdonnell brilliant hurlers played out of position
Mcdonnell should been left half back
Leahy in the corner with Tracey in the middle
And It seems beusang was quite up front from play.
He should imo been half forward
Having him and looney in same unit with dunne imo wasn't correct balance.
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It's a pity midelton are out in looney 1-13 from play in the harty cup in four games, three yesterday has lightened up harty like I said he would and it's a shame him, cahill etc are not in knock out hurling.
These lads some of them would won rice cup and white cups etc.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Thanks that
Who stood out cork wise please
Cork wise there wasn't many as UCC were simply out played to be honest.
The made a strange call about 5 minutes before the start to start Cormac Walsh instead of Cormac Murphy in midfield. Murphy had played the previous few games and is currently training with the Cork squad so it made no sense to drop him.
Rickard Cahalane from Ballymartle in midfield got two nice points and set up a few attacks but struggled to win primary possesion which is a midfielders main role.
Up front Lehane ran the show for UCC always looking a threat when attacking and this showed with his points tally at the end of the game. Both David Geary and Anthony Spillane contributed a few points each when UCC threatened to attack but they were just starved of possession as Carlow battled bravely up the field to win the ball back something that UCC struggled with.
UCC will benefit from the experience when one considers who in the squad is still to come back for the Fitz panel. Jamie Barron, John Power, Tom Devine and Rob O'Shea was injured for the game yesterday despite being named on the bench.
Another factor in UCC struggling yesterday is that the majority of their players play with high profile counties who have been back fitness training for the past two months training four or five times a week and this is bound to show in a lack of hunger compared to players from the likes of Kerry, Carlow etc who wouldn't be training as much at this time of the year.0 -
Agreed Coaching and player management is the key. This is where Midelton lost their way. A good anlaytical coach is the key to all success and unfortunatly Mr Dwane would not appear to have the skilset. e.g Cork 16s last year set the tone a surplus of riches and no cohesion with selection and identification of players. He has no mass in Killian Treacy last year when he relagated him to the b- side same story with Micheal John Shine and Killian Aherne. Given the calibe of preformances from the three lads in the last few weeks I rest my case. He may be a very good coach from a drills perspective but his ability to spot a player and identify the suitable position for that player is non existant. Its a shame that these fine hurlers Beausang, looney, Cahill, Treacy etc will not be seen in the harty again this year.0
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At the end of the day this Midleton group won everything underage...up to Harty. People within the school ruined the team really.
Hopefully some lads will look at how the likes of Rochestown, Hamilton etc are doing with a lot less pick wise and that will shame some people.
TBH though it wouldn't surprise me if Dwane is in charge again next year.0 -
At the end of the day this Midleton group won everything underage...up to Harty. People within the school ruined the team really.
Hopefully some lads will look at how the likes of Rochestown, Hamilton etc are doing with a lot less pick wise and that will shame some people.
TBH though it wouldn't surprise me if Dwane is in charge again next year.
Dwayne getting cork intermediate Job tells it own story
Midelton school are not short good coaching
Sean hurley seamus Murphy alwuin kearney Tim Collins
I'm not sure is kilkenny peter dowling still with them
It's a travesty see such brilliant young talent wasted by poor management
Apparently carrigtohill did not rate dwane management
How he got cork job beyond belief
Ronan sheehan and other selectors may save the day but still
I think Dwayne was minors selectors cork in the past0 -
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Richmond Ultra wrote: »Cork wise there wasn't many as UCC were simply out played to be honest.
The made a strange call about 5 minutes before the start to start Cormac Walsh instead of Cormac Murphy in midfield. Murphy had played the previous few games and is currently training with the Cork squad so it made no sense to drop him.
Rickard Cahalane from Ballymartle in midfield got two nice points and set up a few attacks but struggled to win primary possesion which is a midfielders main role.
Up front Lehane ran the show for UCC always looking a threat when attacking and this showed with his points tally at the end of the game. Both David Geary and Anthony Spillane contributed a few points each when UCC threatened to attack but they were just starved of possession as Carlow battled bravely up the field to win the ball back something that UCC struggled with.
UCC will benefit from the experience when one considers who in the squad is still to come back for the Fitz panel. Jamie Barron, John Power, Tom Devine and Rob O'Shea was injured for the game yesterday despite being named on the bench.
Another factor in UCC struggling yesterday is that the majority of their players play with high profile counties who have been back fitness training for the past two months training four or five times a week and this is bound to show in a lack of hunger compared to players from the likes of Kerry, Carlow etc who wouldn't be training as much at this time of the year.
Great insight thanks
Yeah would not read too much in to it
At last playing lehane at centre forward not full and it's reaping benefit0 -
The harty cup cork team of the year so far imo
I didn't do it on schools or a particular affection club done it as always do solely on perferormance in case any one moans why some have more representative than others
Now these are not all eligible for minor but it shows the quality we have
O connell ag mhuire great leadership and good keeper just edges Cian Collins and Bart o Flynn hammies
Eddie gunning words don't do him justice sensational epically magnificent ag mhuire
Ian cahill midelton
Seadna smith midelton
Cathal deane youghal unreal ist year so so young
Chris o leary valley.Kevin Murphy and Brian callaghan unlucky to loose out with john cashman and Shane Walsh but o leary is unstoppable and undroppable.
O leary automatic starter cork minors. Imo the best centre back up there ronan lynch left in the harty and there's some brilliant centre backs left
That good.
Only brilliant Alan callaghan deprived him cork place last year.
Darragh o brien youghal considering did not play all games as back been brilllwnt when he has
John sullivan rochestowm just ahead of Liam coughlan and Jonathan mulchay
Brendan Mccarthy midelton
Luke meade hammies
Shane Kingston Douglas
Declan Dalton youghal
John looney midelton
Tim o mahony charville
Dan gunning na piarssigh
Twelve cork minors panel here made it with sullivan and deane certain to be next year with meade cork senior overage but certain start cork u21 with maybe intermediate if not on senior panel also
Likes griffin, mulchay hammies, Keller, dinnen, eoin reilly hammies all narrowly missed out and lee had moments but wasn't consistent, aherne did not get enough games niall o leary, Shane Walsh, paddy loughin would but is limerick not cork, Cian Collins, john cashman all really really brilliant campaign lost out narrowly , lot tough calls here
Dalton won't start cork half forward but him over eoin reilly this team gave Dalton as simply youghal wouldn't qualified bar him up front single Handley scoring almost all scores
Josh beusang, Gary leahy just missed out also.
Josh was not always played best position and that's not he's fault
Terrific player
These list is not team will start cork necessarily but it conveys level and calibre of hurlers we had in the harty cup and I'm not in to fairytale nonsense picking teams campaign normally half way through but I wanted to illustrate the talent cork teams have and show as I always advocated be fair even last year cork hurling has talent but it's must be coached and developed right.
What I's good coaching lads
Good coaching is absolutely king and queen of the modern game
Unless you have it no matter what talent you have your beaten before you start.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Yeah la Touche dropping back helped them but huge loss up front for them
Who played well colmans
Thanks that
Keith Ricken was solid corner back Jeremy saiche was good at times condon was solid with the frees and Shane Walsh was excellent at center back
Colmans had the same problem as they did against the AG poor full forward line sideline should have made changes sooner cause the sub they brought on looked lively and from what I remember he did well against AG aswell
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Dwayne getting cork intermediate Job tells it own story
Midelton school are not short good coaching
Sean hurley seamus Murphy alwuin kearney Tim Collins
I'm not sure is kilkenny peter dowling still with them
It's a travesty see such brilliant young talent wasted by poor management
Apparently carrigtohill did not rate dwane management
How he got cork job beyond belief
Ronan sheehan and other selectors may save the day but still
I think Dwayne was minors selectors cork in the past
Peter Dowling isn't involved anymore. A number of other coaches that were involved with this group at Dean Ryan/White cup level are also not involved with the school anymore. A lot of their better coaches aren't involved anymore.
I'm sure Kearney/Collins are top class. A couple of the older lads trained me and wouldn't be much better than mediocre, and that is me being generous.0 -
Keith Ricken was solid corner back Jeremy saiche was good at times condon was solid with the frees and Shane Walsh was excellent at center back
Colmans had the same problem as they did against the AG poor full forward line sideline should have made changes sooner cause the sub they brought on looked lively and from what I remember he did well against AG aswell
Strange to see Keith o Leary did not play he surely have more to offer than the forwards that were there
Delighted Walsh and saich played well
Said it time again saich is going be unreal
Two years left harty he'll improve greatly from this year
This Lad hurling wise has it all imo0 -
Dowling is terrific coachPeter Dowling isn't involved anymore. A number of other coaches that were involved with this group at Dean Ryan/White cup level are also not involved with the school anymore. A lot of their better coaches aren't involved anymore.
I'm sure Kearney/Collins are top class. A couple of the older lads trained me and wouldn't be much better than mediocre, and that is me being generous.
I hear few kilkenny clubs are different grades wanted him
Sad it is poor coaching story cork
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Richmond Ultra wrote: »
UCC will benefit from the experience when one considers who in the squad is still to come back for the Fitz panel. Jamie Barron, John Power, Tom Devine and Rob O'Shea was injured for the game yesterday despite being named on the bench.
Sure Tom Devine was injured? Or was he not involved because his club is playing this Sunday?
Thanks for the report. Wouldn't read a whole lot into games like this. Think UCC's present and future is looking very rosy when one looks at the quality of players they have at this and fresher level.0 -
Draw for harty cup quarter finals Wednesday week the 17th December at eight
Draw will reveal more
Hopefully castetroy draw Ard scoil two limerick teams so one is gone
Cork schools avoid each other I hope.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »He just said he was first line read it again it's clear to see
Missed it, thanks0 -
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Sure Tom Devine was injured? Or was he not involved because his club is playing this Sunday?
Thanks for the report. Wouldn't read a whole lot into games like this. Think UCC's present and future is looking very rosy when one looks at the quality of players they have at this and fresher level.
Only O'Shea had an injury the others didn't line out for a variety of reasons such as Barron only finishing with the Nire on Sunday etc.0 -
Keith OLeary is injured. No Coalmans man on the cork team of the year so far?0
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next round of Lord Mayors cup tomorrow
http://gaacork.ie/news/346975/Lord_Mayor_s_Cup_Hurling_Results_Fixtures0 -
Ronan Dwane training Midleton CBS again this year, explains a lot. Didn't this Midleton group win the Dean Ryan and White Cup?
DLS won the corresponding Dean Ryan beating AG Mon.
Maybe the Midleton side are massively overrated by all concerned. Other than Fr O'Neills the other clubs with players involved have done nothing at this age group. Dwane has been involved with the development squads at this level so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Midleton CBS were over represented on the Cork sides.0 -
Is Eoghan Finn training with the seniors? Going well with UCC presently.0
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willietherock wrote: »Is Eoghan Finn training with the seniors? Going well with UCC presently.
Possibly there's over 40 at most of the training sessions. All there doing is running up and down a mucky field and gym sessions. They won't see a sliothar until after Christmas.0 -
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How are they massively overratedwillietherock wrote: »DLS won the corresponding Dean Ryan beating AG Mon.
Maybe the Midleton side are massively overrated by all concerned. Other than Fr O'Neills the other clubs with players involved have done nothing at this age group. Dwane has been involved with the development squads at this level so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Midleton CBS were over represented on the Cork sides.
Same same old blame players never the manager
They won white cups, rice cups callaghan cups dean Ryan. Two all irelands finals and can't even get out group Last two years
Seadna smith is superb corner back time again proved that
John looney sub v limerick causes them problems
Superb aghada intermediate championship
One thirteen four games play midelton goals galore in dean all Ireland semi final last year
Ian cahill cloyne played full back cloyne intermediate short forwards so played him half forward
Brendan Mccarthy captain dean Ryan cup last year
Outstanding cork under age
He superb every game midelton this year got huge rating papers today again
Josh beusang nine points yes will nine points play dean Ryan cup final last year yet two Ard scoil men could nit hold him
He played corner yesterday not suited him
What rubbish in regards yes other clubs haven't won but this is pick of clubs together bringing best individuals as a group
Teams don't be successful still supply great players lions like 97 irelands hardly great success yet they supplied three men Davidson Wallace and wood starting with miller also some games
You not mention dwane awful record management at senior yes he done good work school but specific coaching he's poor imo
Now you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realise cork minor then imokilly, carrigtohill coaching wise he's poor record
These lads on cork panel fully deserve be there and if you saw enough them hurling it's clear to see.
And ring Is manager cork now and as clear as day he doesn't do bias any way as we proved last week or certainly imo wouldn't taking huge advice from dwane in ring surrounded himself with winning back room staff any team he coaches so I doubt Dwayne has any influence now, in n past possible yes but now no
All five I mention if you can name to Me five better candidates than please do so
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willietherock wrote: »DLS won the corresponding Dean Ryan beating AG Mon.
Maybe the Midleton side are massively overrated by all concerned. Other than Fr O'Neills the other clubs with players involved have done nothing at this age group. Dwane has been involved with the development squads at this level so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Midleton CBS were over represented on the Cork sides.
Killeagh to be fair have also had success this year with 21s, Minor & 16s
Its mind boggling that CBS they've underachieved to this extent
They are either seriously badly managed with no heart and a real bad attitude
Or they are overrated which certainly augurs badly for minors
Maybe that division are over represented on minor panel /dev squads !!!
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Breadandbutter wrote: »Killeagh to be fair have also had success this year with 21s, Minor & 16s
Its mind boggling that CBS they've underachieved to this extent
They are either seriously badly managed with no heart and a real bad attitude
Or they are overrated which certainly augurs badly for minors
Maybe that division are over represented on minor panel /dev squads !!!
Whichever it's all very disappointing
Real bad attitude and lack heart
Jesus your posts are unbelievable at times with respect
Are you joking me
How in the name jesus can you say that with rice cups white cups,dean's etc callaghan cups these young fine fine men have bad attitude
Your unbelievable to suggest such outrageous thing when they won all around them at different ages groups and you do know some these players won ist dean Ryan in twenty four years. White cup ended huge famine also and you hint bad attitude
There seriously badly managed you got that suggestion right at last.
Well done n
Here you again you can't help yourself digs regards current minor set up
That hinting some players east cork shouldn't be there
You said last week you were having final word on it
Name east cork men shouldn't be on this minor set up please
please
Now think with respect before you post save you being corrected as you have habit speaking nonsense like asking lad was he at he match he clearly was
Saying better castetroy beat doon with no logic in it was awful results for colmans
Shane Kingston best talent in the county
Brilliant as he is he is not best talent
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Real bad attitude and lack heart
Jesus your posts are unbelievable at times with respect
Are you joking me
How in the name jesus can you say that with rice cups white cups,dean's etc callaghan cups these young fine fine men have bad attitude
Your unbelievable to suggest such outrageous thing when they won all around them at different ages groups and you do know some these players won ist dean Ryan in twenty four years. White cup ended huge famine also and you hint bad attitude
There seriously badly managed you got that suggestion right at last.
Well done n
Here you again you can't help yourself digs regards current minor set up
That hinting some players east cork shouldn't be there
You said last week you were having final word on it
Name east cork men shouldn't be on this minor set up please
please
Now think with respect before you post save you being corrected as you have habit speaking nonsense like asking lad was he at he match he clearly was
Saying better castetroy beat doon with no logic in it was awful results for colmans
Shane Kingston best talent in the county
Brilliant as he is he is not best talent
He has equals
Let's be honest the cups to win are the senior cups, Harty Cup, Corn Ui Mhuiri, and to a lesser extent O Callaghan, Simcox
Great achievement to have the junior cups in your locker, lovely to win them and no mean achievement but I think the success of a team ultimately measured by senior success
Unfortunately the last three years Midleton CBS for the talent they have put through their ranks they have seriously underachieved - Most of this current panel are overage and ineligible next year if I'm not mistaken
Individually talented it would appear but as a group for whatever reason at this level they fail and
Its desperately disappointing. Don't try to make out I'm personally attacking these individual kids I'm sure they are devastated to be out, but unfortunately it does raise questions and comments
I was of course absolutely right to hope that Castletroy would've opened the door wider for AG if they had beaten Doon last time out, I was right too realising Colmans despite their best efforts and great fight were unlikely to come out of the group so my hope was for the best Cork team to progress rather than to do another one down - you chose to twist that sentiment for your own reasons - I'd have been delighted if they both progressed
If you can find a minor who can equal Shane Kingstons talent and ability I suggest you get him onto both minor panels asap, he'd be a phenomenal asset
I love the way when you are convinced you're right you declare your opinions as fact
I'm not arguing the toss with you any more because in your tomes you say everything and end up saying nothing talking in riddles and circles with ridiculous hyperbole, all down to your opinion declared as fact and some of which is built around hearsay, I have no particular interest in players' 3rd cousins once removed, their mothers maiden name or their favorite colour socks
You have forensic knowledge of some aspects of Cork and Limerick GAA - and you put huge time and energy into it - fair play to you - but you have no respect for anyone who has a Different opinion to you, this isn't your blog, it's a forum for shared opinion and debate - I think you've lost the run of yourself.
Some of my quips were attempts at humour, irony, sarcasm even - it seems you didn't get them
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Wrong againBreadandbutter wrote: »Let's be honest the cups to win are the senior cups, Harty Cup, Corn Ui Mhuiri, and to a lesser extent O Callaghan, Simcox
Great achievement to have the junior cups in your locker, lovely to win them and no mean achievement but I think the success of a team ultimately measured by senior success
Unfortunately the last three years Midleton CBS for the talent they have put through their ranks they have seriously underachieved - Most of this current panel are overage and ineligible next year if I'm not mistaken
Individually talented it would appear but as a group for whatever reason at this level they fail and
Its desperately disappointing. Don't try to make out I'm personally attacking these individual kids I'm sure they are devastated to be out, but unfortunately it does raise questions and comments
I was of course absolutely right to hope that Castletroy would've opened the door wider for AG if they had beaten Doon last time out, I was right too realising Colmans despite their best efforts and great fight were unlikely to come out of the group so my hope was for the best Cork team to progress rather than to do another one down - you chose to twist that sentiment for your own reasons - I'd have been delighted if they both progressed
If you can find a minor who can equal Shane Kingstons talent and ability I suggest you get him onto both minor panels asap, he'd be a phenomenal asset
I love the way when you are convinced you're right you declare your opinions as fact
I'm not arguing the toss with you any more because in your tomes you say everything and end up saying nothing talking in riddles and circles with ridiculous hyperbole, all down to your opinion declared as fact and some of which is built around hearsay, I have no particular interest in players' 3rd cousins once removed, their mothers maiden name or their favorite colour socks
You have forensic knowledge of some aspects of Cork and Limerick GAA - and you put huge time and energy into it - fair play to you - but you have no respect for anyone who has a Different opinion to you, this isn't your blog, it's a forum for shared opinion and debate - I think you've lost the run of yourself.
Some of my quips were attempts at humour, irony, sarcasm even - it seems you didn't get them
Just a bit of light to break up the intensity
I speak lot heresay, you say.
No I speak lot accurately and lot here would acknowledge that.
Work away trying to devalue my posts you want
You make incorrect claims and you're proven wrong time and again
You questioned in suggestion the attuide of midelton and said it was bad and lacked heart in suggestions
You clearly have no idea what you were talking bout in midelton you choose ignore won everything up along yet you insult their winning saying other cups are more important
Yes they are point is they won at their age group which is huge
This is some ist year at harty and management clearly at fault but you clearly have east cork bias and use that to critise players wrongly
Let's keep tangent debate clear were not questioning the dual stardom of Kingston I'm saying hurling wise he has equal
Again I put you but you ignore last time Kingston hasn't playee senior championship for douglas Tim o mahony has and done well
Tim o mahony been sublime but course you don't see bigger picture in cork outside the city
I speak I as many cork posters know speak facts opinions try back with facts
You speak so much inaccurate information
You tried convince other thread great good Castletroy won
Sorry but I had to correct and blow that myth out of the water
You then tried to say there was conspiracy against gunning when you clearly choose ignore he was injured as not me but another poster has to tell you so why over looked for cork
What do you want medal for Castleyroy result
I said myself it would be close and felt big game changers could win it for them
You done report yesterday match you didn't mention gunning not once epic display
Now yes my posts long thank you but I think least people reading them get real details and not like yourself just bits and pieces here and there
With half hearted knowledge
You bring great energetic enthusiasm as I said before and your committed but if you actually judged all thinks equal in not regarding city as king and continously seeing east cork as poor relation you might just might become a poster of quality I would read and get value from
You failed to name five better city players than east cork lads you suggested were not up to it
I don't disagree with everyone what I strongly disagree with is nonsense with out fact or inaccurate information or opinions that can't be backed up
You clearly suggested that midelton lads could have a bad attuide or lack heart and imo that absolutely rubbish In what they achieved.
And I don't have a good knowledge of cork and limerick I have widespread knowledge on all gaa as I'm a gaa man outside being a cork man
I debate with everyone unlike yourself that cherry picks when your inaccurate posts are questioned.
Again you don't speak for forum here.
If genuine cork posters don't want me posting I won't
Thanks
And I have huge respect lot posters here
But you when questioned regards the east cork bias threw the toys out the pram and showed me no respect when critising my writing style that none cork posters have a problem with0 -
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One of the fundamentals of any team is good coaching have you have a chance. With out it you fail
I have done countless posts my time here where essence and nub is good coaching and bad coaching is vital
I say it again every body likes to be a coach few can be,in coaching is a concept that in reality is hard to do that just wanting do it
Going countless games and training and organisations busses, meals, and meeting is fine to point but if management have no natural instinct that develops to read a game management and where play players there team will ultimately fail sooner or later
Now we have seen cork teams in harty this year and to judge them we must judge management before we can say they have chance harty as this is elite cup hurling knock out and any flaws in coaching will be greatly exposed expecially by Ard scoil where fergel lyons cork man, crowe, moran think involves with them will have their teams set up well
Ard scoil you see even learned from Thurles defeat.
Their the champions.
But the best never stop learning.
They dropped ronan lynch to midfield thus they will qualify over that.
Midelton lost one game never learned the lesson and then lost two games.
Ag mhuire lost one game and learned some not all lessons and qualified
Who learns lessons survive.
These are young men so they need guidance, if they fail to learn imo it's complete failure of the coaching.
That simple.
Charville had butler coaching them this year, good coach but one lad with him that school wanted is not great, great hurling man but no concept how to read game at all at all imo.
They have won kinnane cup white cups so they will be okay and there young this year and we're competitive in most games loosing just a few closely.
They have guiney,houlian, David Jones super talent. John geary, paddy loughin I think, Jack barry etc next year so talent coming through.
Ag mhuire have tadhg lordan good coach in some ways, Liam shorten excellent fitness coach cork footballer and donal og grady stats man.
He needs to get more involved imo
Two games I saw so far I'd be worried going forward in game. Management most knew barry Murphy was their only real scorer, yes Ryan got three long range superb points but he isn't proflic like Murphy yet he some how single Handley nearly beat them all because he was not man marked by gunning.
I don't want to be too harsh as management done fine job getting to the group stages but this was a poor poor call and in the previous castetroy game they didn't have gunning at centre back all game either but midfield and they lost and left killian aherne not start and played dayne lee as full forward which as said then we're awful decision.
Thankfully aherne and lee started in half forward as I said my preview and it worked but I hope some one close to ag or o grady realise mistake made yesterday with Murphy and if they play next opponent if there's stand out player intercounty like for example Shane Kingston down the line gunning marks him.
They can meet rochestown as ag are second group due to head to head with castetroy.
Hammies wouldn't have any exceptional forward like Michael Cahalane now for example, but very good in eoin reilly etc. Few are like Cahalane to be fair but o reilly is truly lighting up campaign and is their top scorer
And still this game where gunning could have to man mark but could play free role also.
Hammies would play a sweeper so gunning would thrive but if they meet still gunning may be needed to curb o reilly.
They can meet in the next round.
I'll cry if they meet as I hugely admire both teams and couldn't enjoy the game as don't want them to loose.
Nenagh have hayden and john cahalan but their good but not in Barry Murphy class.
Hayden could be marked by sullivan and callaghan well able for hayden.
Gunning could do he's free role.
Can't meet ag in quatre finals
Castetroy should they meet again in quatre finals gunning has to stay at centre back and may be helped as la Touche had go back last day but that just leaves Nash exceptional talent.
La touché goes to eleven gunning has got to mark him
Ard scoil, revolve around ronan lynch, heartbeat team like Paul o connell munster.
Ard scoil have young team and very much rely on lynch leadership.
If lynch is midfield you put gunning man marked him.
If lynch is forward the same.
If lynch goes to six then you excuse gunning of he's duties and you play lee there.
Once lynch is held you can beat Ard scoil.
You do not under any circumstances put hanafinn or dan gunning or killian aherne on him as lee has threw years expierence to match lynch close to four I think at harty and five at minor.
Youghal have one main scoring man declan Dalton. They cant meet in the quarter finals as youghal are runners up due to head to head even if Rochestown loose tomorrow.
If they meet in a later round
Gunning could have him man marked and imo gunning would have too much, as fine player as he is Dalton, gunning would have dealt with better forwards.
Dalton is good in the air but not as elusive as Murphy, or la touché cosgrave or Nash.
You hold Dalton essential you have a huge chance to beat youghal.
Ag will have real chance in winning the harty but it depends on what management do in games.
The powers to be must realise they have huge chance now two games away from a final and win that you have quatre final even you loose harty final so they must call and use on o grady astute reading of a game and not have him just pen and paper doing stats and must have him hugely involved picking the team.
I get feeling he has lot do aherne started and lee at centre forward.
Hammies have good chance making final but I don't believe in the papers saying their among the favourites in I love if they could but unsure they could beat Ard scoil conceding so much.
Hammies have good spine team with leadership in o leary and meade and mulchay at centre field and reilly at centre forward And dinneen at full forward.
They have unbreakable team bond and great spirt and aidan o donuughe has evolved and learned from brilliant noel crowley and I's good reader such that after ist half six down v midelton and being cleaned out position they played sweeper,got foothold possession and play two man forward line and reilly playing deep they created more and beat midelton.
They adapted to the game flow while they won game they lost ronan Dwayne couldn't react to the game and like yesterday with no subs used lost two games had winning of.
If this was soccer.a manager be sacked well depending on what club, if your Liverpool or spurs or Newcastle they would give you new contract and probably a bonus as well.
Hammies have concerns imo at full back and this year even with out Cahalane they seem more rounded and balanced up front judging by phenomenonal scoring in they have a proflic ace man in o reilly who's steeped up hugely from last year to fill void horgan and Cahalane but there missing hugely Michael macsweenry colouss their last year in the full back line.
If they had him this year they would have great chance, but full back line is one aera they need to tighten up as out of all the teams qualified they conceded the most 5-58 and are amongst around six teams worst scoring record and the others did not make the knock out.
There forward are scoring unreal and out of the eight left top with most goals in thirteen and overall in goals and points second to just Thurles cbs
Full back line is not easy to fix in you can't put Chris o leary back as you loose he's magic and scoring at six.
Donughe good coach if any one can find a solution he can.
Rochestowm have diarmuid fahy from oola good coach and aidan longergan very good reader of the game and knows how to read a game and patrols side line brilliantly.
I was at youghal v csoimhins and I could see him on stand side, I was on hill in charville and he there in crowds doing observations and has clip board doing stats and great sign as he was watching he's team next two opponent.
They beat the Paul kinnerks sweeper system v csoimhins and they know how tactically to win the game if it prevails tactically.
Crucially Daniel meaneyl could be back for them at midfield, if they got to semi final he'd game time they could do well.
Youghal are fine team in work ethic, resolute, have steel and spine in o brien at full back flanked by Mccarthy.
Deane and Murphy at half back two years left harty having awesome season
Eddie halloran Waterford midfield lovely hurling.
Up front they have huge problems scoring wise.
David abrwnghdoer should start.
They have done superbly getting this far can't blame management as they have limited resources up front but there getting everything out of the lads and made great move learn from ist game where they moved darragh o brien from forwards to the backs.
They learned from the mistake.
Midelton did not.
Huge huge frustrating and disappointed regards midelton today but none Is directed towards players what I hear and right fully so.
I don't blame players one bit in fact there credit to the school.
I think who picked team is clearly at fault and imo as. I done preview team to play nenagh. Compare it to the team picked was totally wrong yet the management can't pick school teams yet the manager is manager intercounty cork team, this is just not right, unbelievable.
That midelton team could really pushed on to win harty cup.
I could smell it in the air I said.
Two years in a row they now failed make group stages, serious questions must be asked of the management.
Surely its fair question to ask.
If that management stay the dean Ryan cup team won't do much next year based on now and their a fine bunch of hurlers.
Today's report in the echo touched on decisions in said conditions were heavy and lads got tired. In crucial period game yet midelton kept with same fifteen who started.
I got the feeling there were questioning it and correctly so.
I wasn't at the game but in fairness to myself I said it last night I was struck by fact midelton made no change in sideline.
Like I was not even at the game yet I could say it was poor call.
Reading match report and what I heard from others changes should have been made yet sideline never reacted
Players tiring no changes,that's poor management imo.
I get a feeling no one questions be asked and be just bounce ball, unlucky, didn't get breaks blow up nenagh use excuse Saturday loss when most as said here even management are to blame.
Im gutted for these players as they deserve more.
The cork system still fails it hurlers.
You see four cork teams qualified is great but it gives immunity to dwane imo in no one will question why midelton failed as be like four teams is brilliant beyond our dreams.
That's true but imo it most be questions simply this midelton team five cork minors walk on any minor team in munster imo were best chance of the harty cup for cork have now not made the knock out stages.
When I heard this at yesterday ag match, and told some results they were shocked and said huge blow to cork. Minors hurling and couldn't believe it.
Draw quatre finals when done I'll give more in depth analysis with forensic details after 17th December regards the cork teams.
But looking at possible draw now its interesting.
As winners in pot one we have Thurles, hammies castetroy and rochestown.
Pot two runners up we have Ard scoil, nenagh, youghal and ag mhuire
None of teams in pot one ag should fear. Thurles being dangerous yes.
Hammies be close cork derby with
Rochestown like wise
Castetroy would imo be easiest one as cork teams local derby are tough and Thurles better than Castleyroy
None teams are unbeatable.
For Hamilton ideal draw would be nenagh again
youghal or ag mhuire they could beat but local derbies. Ard scoil be the ones they would imo hope to avoid.
Hopefully cork teams avoid each other, you don't want two cork teams to meet in Two quatre finals.
Yes you are guaranteed a semi final Two cork team in two semi finals if you have two all cork quatre finals but you loose two cork teams in the process
Here's the dilemma though as two cork teams in pot one and two in pot two if we are want them to avoid each other then invariably one cork team meets Ard scoil.
Either rochestowm or hammies
Rochestown I'd rather and would have huge ask but better than hammies.
Griffin at full back, cashman at six, midfield is fine but would need Daniel meaney to beat them with o sullivan, Kingston at centre forward And Cormac and power could rattle them
Key would be cashman on lynch if he's centre forward
If midfield meaney has to mark him
If he's centre back then Kingston on him and drag him all over the ptich.
Ag mhuire way things panned out should be happy in they avoid Ard scoil and while other three are tough opponents not unbeatable.
Youghal should hope for Castleyroy.
Best option imo.
Play a sweeper and Dalton if he marked by touché cosgrave, least la touch taken out of the forwards
Darragh o brien for Nash, and keep it low scoring and they could win it.
Scoring is the problem but castetroy are not firing at all all.
I can't wait till the draw.
Jesus it's great hurling talk up to December.
Then January it's Waterford crystals and fitzginbon cup and harty then league in February.
The winter is shortened already.
OVERALL it has been a very good harty cup with four teams through, young colmans coming close and charville being competitive and building for next year.
It's stops short been great when our greatest chance winning harty is gone with midelton.
Munster under sixteen we dominating and won a. B c and d final tomorrow
The minors and under twenty one management is brilliant.
Senior is good but worries remain on tactical side but we have hope.
Blackrock finally getting the house in order
UCC and cit are in good nick at senior and fresher
Overall were better than this time last year
The club championship is in dire need radical evolution and referring also must change.
Overall scene hurling is good but could be much better this Is cork after all we don't want good we crave for greatness we owe it simply owe it to former cork legends game to simply never forget that.
Yesterday munster B hurling title
Rochestown team 2-15
Chriost ri 2-10
http://munster.gaa.ie/2014/12/03/corn-sheamais-ui-dhonnchu-final-16-5-b-hurling/
Great report great to see.
HARTY CUP TEAMS from YESTERDAY
Hamilton 2-13 dungarvan 0-11
Hammies
C dart o Flynn valley
L Murray ballinscarthy
A o callaghan valley
W hurley valley rovers
J Kelleher newecstown
Chris o leary valley rovers
I crowley
E o brien ballinscarthy
Jonathan mulchay bandon
D Curran newecstown
B crowley
Tadhg o sullivan
Colm butler valley
S o Donovan newecstown
E o reilly valley
Subs
T sheehan kilbrittan
T Mccarthy bandon
N o driscoll
J Bernard
S o Reagan valley
Scorers
Eoin reilly 2-6(4f)
T sullivan 0-3
C o leary 0-2
J mulchay 0-1
B crowley 0-1
colmans 0-13 castetroy 2-9
C leahy st Catherines
Aaron ricken watergraashill
Declan varner castlelyons
Daniel o reagon Kilworth
B Davis st Catherines
Shane Walsh bride rovers
Niall o leary castlelyons
Shane aherne fermoy
Jeremy saich Kilworth had great battle v lorchan lyons by reports.
Immense credit to the young lad
Based on what lads said here in the colmans game last week he physically struggled in the game , I thought he could struggle in midfield against limerick minor lorchan lyons but he didn't
This lad is a brilliant hurler
Padraigh hannon glanworth
Jamie o leary castlelyons
Diarmuid linehan ballyhooly
Jamie kenneally Kilworth
Dean linehan bride rovers
Stephen condon glanworth
Subs
Kyle cronin watergraashill
Scorers
S Condon 0-9(8f,0-165)
J kenneally 0-2
P hannon 0-1
S aherne 0-1
Midelton cbs 1-13
Nenagh cbs 3-11
Midelton
S o Flynn carrigtohill
Mike mellrick fr o Neill
Ian cahill cloyne
B cashman carrigtohill
Ed leahy aghada
Seadna Smyth midelton
Sean o connor fr o Neill
Killian Tracey Killeagh
Brendan Mccarthy carrigtohill
Gary leahy Killeagh
Jack mcdonnell aghada
Dan landers Killeagh
John looney aghada
Josh beusang Russell rovers
Billly dunne fr o Neill
No subs used
Scorers
Beusang 0-6(5f,0-165)
G leahy 1-1
J looney 0-3
B dunne 0-1
D landers 0-1
J mcdonnell 0-1
Mala scoil none as far as I'm aware but Shane Walsh senior bride rovers outstanding v Nash by accounts imo even though Chris o leary is certain To be centre back should be on panel and looking towards 2016 year then niall o leary and Jeremy saich could be on the extended panel as expierence would be good. Training wise would even be great for them.
If any injuries happen I would have zero fear on dean linehan be called up at corner back. Superb player.
Tbh with ring and colmans history I'm sure he's watched colmans and no doubt he'd be contact with noel crowley, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had some players their but competition at centre back and half and midfield where they have candidates is extremely extremely competitive in panel imo. I'd be hugely confident of cork next year but midelton loss has negated that a bit.
I had been worried bout landers loss and its huge but apparently dwyer is stepping in as coach and he's brilliant actually done coaching at times Last year has huge work ballincollg schools and huge part ground work with others senior football county success.
I said it last year he's a top top coach or selector.
There was great coverage in echo regarding the harty cup and the munster b competition tonight.
Fair play to them.
Best of luck to fermoy in the munster d final under sixteen and half today Hurling final.0 -
willietherock wrote: »DLS won the corresponding Dean Ryan beating AG Mon.
Maybe the Midleton side are massively overrated by all concerned. Other than Fr O'Neills the other clubs with players involved have done nothing at this age group. Dwane has been involved with the development squads at this level so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Midleton CBS were over represented on the Cork sides.
(a) the majority of that Midleton Dean Ryan winning team played on Wendesday, (b) Killeagh lost the Premier 1 final by a point and (c) Midleton CBS has by far the biggest pick in the county. And believe it or not, those players have been on Cork squads longer than Dwane's development squad involvement.
Dwane just has a crappy training record. Every team he takes over goes backwards.0 -
Can only comment on the Ag and Colman's as they are the only Cork teams that I have seen. I have seen Colmans' on two ocassions and I felt they improved from game to game. I am glad Saich played well as he has potential perhaps not in a central role. Condon for me has been their best player when I saw him in the summer with development squads he appeared light and very easily dispossed. He was developed an edge to his game and improved no end. Colman's will be very competitive next year as they measured well in all games.
The Ag management has me baffled at times. I completely agree that Eddie gunning should always mark the main player or scoring threat as this kid is like a fungus for an opponent he sticks tight and he is seldom passed or turned. He is quite simply in another league and should very soon be playing in he bigger league. Lordan and Co must get down to studying and use O grady in a greater role. No doubt O Grady was instrumental in having Aherne and Lee on the 45. From what I saw in Mallow I would make a slight change to this arragement I would reverse the positions. I would play Aherne in the centre forward position with Lee left or right feeding off him. This kid will break ball all day and distrubute rather than take his own scores. For me the score of the game came from aherne winning dirty ball on the far wing he stroked a pass across the field to O' Leary who found lee on the right wing, who hit a peach of a point. It happened so fast it was unreal.
Having hanafin in a floating role was a good idea but I feel he lacks scoring threat and the Braham would be a better option in this role. Nothing to say about the inside line, Gunning is on fire and sheehan's movement is excellent. At times he is a little tentative but he is only 15 years old. He is some talent. Its been a long wait for the Mon AG but they will worry any side left in the competition. The back line is solid with O' Donovan and Walsh anchored by O' Callaghan and Gunning. The ingredients are there to deliver something special for the northside school but the coaches need to be aware that suicide moves like substuting an influential player like aherne with 15 minutes to go are not allowable. Robbie quirke was very quick to exploit the freedom and tapped over 2 points from half back. When they review the stats O Grady will point out the number of blocks, hooks and possesion gained it will be evident that in the first half alone Aherne had more possesion of the sliothar than any other player on the pitch. If this was soccer kids like Sheehan, the brothers Gunning, Aherne, would be priceless. The orchestra is only as good as the conductor so for the AG coaches well done but will need to be sharper with the game plans and awareness of what they have.0 -
Superb articulate insight with great tactical awareness as alwaysCan only comment on the Ag and Colman's as they are the only Cork teams that I have seen. I have seen Colmans' on two ocassions and I felt they improved from game to game. I am glad Saich played well as he has potential perhaps not in a central role. Condon for me has been their best player when I saw him in the summer with development squads he appeared light and very easily dispossed. He was developed an edge to his game and improved no end. Colman's will be very competitive next year as they measured well in all games.
The Ag management has me baffled at times. I completely agree that Eddie gunning should always mark the main player or scoring threat as this kid is like a fungus for an opponent he sticks tight and he is seldom passed or turned. He is quite simply in another league and should very soon be playing in he bigger league. Lordan and Co must get down to studying and use O grady in a greater role. No doubt O Grady was instrumental in having Aherne and Lee on the 45. From what I saw in Mallow I would make a slight change to this arragement I would reverse the positions. I would play Aherne in the centre forward position with Lee left or right feeding off him. This kid will break ball all day and distrubute rather than take his own scores. For me the score of the game came from aherne winning dirty ball on the far wing he stroked a pass across the field to O' Leary who found lee on the right wing, who hit a peach of a point. It happened so fast it was unreal.
Having hanafin in a floating role was a good idea but I feel he lacks scoring threat and the Braham would be a better option in this role. Nothing to say about the inside line, Gunning is on fire and sheehan's movement is excellent. At times he is a little tentative but he is only 15 years old. He is some talent. Its been a long wait for the Mon AG but they will worry any side left in the competition. The back line is solid with O' Donovan and Walsh anchored by O' Callaghan and Gunning. The ingredients are there to deliver something special for the northside school but the coaches need to be aware that suicide moves like substuting an influential player like aherne with 15 minutes to go are not allowable. Robbie quirke was very quick to exploit the freedom and tapped over 2 points from half back. When they review the stats O Grady will point out the number of blocks, hooks and possesion gained it will be evident that in the first half alone Aherne had more possesion of the sliothar than any other player on the pitch. If this was soccer kids like Sheehan, the brothers Gunning, Aherne, would be priceless. The orchestra is only as good as the conductor so for the AG coaches well done but will need to be sharper with the game plans and awareness of what they have.
Bhraham was injured for Wednesday and I was surprised he didn't start but obviously it makes sense if injured
It's a fine side, the draw will reveal all
Hammies, rochestown, Thurles or castetroy
They would be better off avoid both cork teams.
Thurles are a good side but play open game so suit ag
I'd love twas castetroy they got.
There completely beatable once you pick the correct team and set up it correctly
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(a) the majority of that Midleton Dean Ryan winning team played on Wendesday, (b) Killeagh lost the Premier 1 final by a point and (c) Midleton CBS has by far the biggest pick in the county. And believe it or not, those players have been on Cork squads longer than Dwane's development squad involvement.
Dwane just has a crappy training record. Every team he takes over goes backwards.
But sure hasn't Denis ring apparently a huge bias towards city teams and east cork lads just average players according to some here.0 -
thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Superb articulate insight with great tactical awareness as always
Bhraham was injured for Wednesday and I was surprised he didn't start but obviously it makes sense if injured
It's a fine side, the draw will reveal all
Hammies, rochestown, Thurles or castetroy
They would be better off avoid both cork teams.
Thurles are a good side but play open game so suit ag
I'd love twas castetroy they got.
There completely beatable once you pick the correct team and set up it correctly
Sheehan like you said will be a terrific player
Re ag mhuire playing castletroy I'd be surprised if teams from the same group could meet again? I'd have thought you'd only have 3 possible teams to meet in the quarters...no restriction on teams from same county meeting I presume too...0 -
I'm unsure to be honest but know previous years teams same group metRe ag mhuire playing castletroy I'd be surprised if teams from the same group could meet again? I'd have thought you'd only have 3 possible teams to meet in the quarters...no restriction on teams from same county meeting I presume too...0 -
Oh right, maybe so then..thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »I'm unsure to be honest but know previous years teams same group met0 -
Oh right, maybe so then..
I'm unsure though honestly you could be right no one seems to know be honest even the group standing were confusing as many thought went down to point difference but then head head head came in
I always think they should clearly tell people how qualifying works make it clear like Heineken cup
Like munster gaa looking at their tweets didn't even know exactly criteria but took brilliant Denis hurley to inform them that they had castetroy group standing incorrect
He's excellent regards harty cup hurling imo or indeed any school games.
They should imo have on Web site a link qualified criteria
On that note does anyone know how draw works next week please
Can teams same group meet again please??0 -
TTM... What club involvement do u have at grass roots level of GAA?0
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Midelton team would have not just talent but from last year harty cup team seamus beusang, Ian cahill, seadna Smyth, Brenda Mccarthy, Dan landers, Gary leahy,billly dunne. John looney etc would all played so they had expierence from last year also.
Ultimately this was and most I talk to say failure of management with the best talented group In harty cup in years.
Midelton beat nenagh well last year in the harty cup and also in dean Ryan cup
Rochestown shocked midelton last year in the final group game and it seems to be in big matches like knock out Wednesday management constantly fail to pick the best selection of the team and that's twice they lost, and throw in hammies game that game they had the winning of.
If you do simple source eliminating why they failed then imo it clear management had a role in that.
If teams from group stages can't meet then in the quarter final then
Ag mhuire can only meet hammies
Rochestown or Thurles
There three teams two cork so means likely cork derby with two strong teams it be awful for cork
There's a two in three chance we have a derby here be it hammies v ag or ag v rochestown.
I pray it's Thurles v ag
Rochestown can meet Ard scoil. Nenagh or ag
They would like nenagh, the other two huge tests
Hammies can meet ag, youghal, or Ard scoil
Youghal be their preferred choice but then cork side loose out
Youghal can meet hammies castetroy or Thurles
The best hope is castetroy
Castetroy could meet Ard scoil youghal or nenagh
Ard scoil could meet hammies castetroy or rocehetown
Nenagh Coul meet castetroy, rochestowm or Thurles
Thurles can meet youghal. Ag or castetroy
Breaking it down going on runners up play Group winners that's definitely the criteria and teams same group can't meet if it's true then cork options in some cases look very tough,a tough draw awaits and imo were going to get a cork derby so not good for cork imo in a pity it couldn't be better
Were guaranteed almost in my opinion a semi finalist as I expect a cork derby in a quarter final.0 -
Rochestown 2-13 our lady's 16
Great win
Anyone at it
More important imo is team rochestowm picked hopefully they picked few fringe players gave them game time
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Richmond Ultra wrote: »Possibly there's over 40 at most of the training sessions. All there doing is running up and down a mucky field and gym sessions. They won't see a sliothar until after Christmas.
Thanks for that Richmond
I hope you're wrong regards cork are doing no ball work at all til January and running up down fields
If true complete madness.
Cork need to shape up fast seriously like. Management need to wake up imo if that's true.
I travelled to watch clare train tonight just home.I left after bout hour half of two hour session.
I didn't need to see it all.
I saw enough.
Davy Fitzgerald and he's players are an absolute credit to the game, in what they do.
You may or may not like him, but as a coach he's unbelievable.
He does real coach and not the dictator perception of him that out there.
He dictates tempo , but he listens trusts every one he coaches and on the field does it what right for the team.
Constantly talking to hes backroom team discussing things.
I saw one intercounty team last year where manager didn't seem to have real engagement with he's back room team tried to run everything
On reading your Richmond, post I said had watch clare and see what there doing in there the standard bearer with kilkenny as I thought cork must be having a laugh.
Kilkenny too far drive so I thought, who's next best
Clare imo the only one that fits that bill.
I'll watch kilkenny in mid January.
Long drive in bad fog me and two others set off.Well worth it.
Flask soup, and bag sandwiches.
Oh I brought the right socks too this time, a wise man told me to bring them.
Didn't need the socks in the end as my blood was warm by watching intensity of clare, I got there energy. It's so good anyone feel energised watching them.
Always great privilege to watch great players training under great coaches.
Where else would you want be.
If it was other teams training some I wouldn't watch I'd rather stay home and watch fair city.
No messing about,no late training,no running around ptich doing straight lines they had yes they had it intense training, ball work and short drills high interval training
Two new drills I'm not going post on this Web site simply amazing
All was about speed touch eye and their goal is the all Ireland
Training was top top class just back training there intent on performance
limerick play a challenge match tomorrow v wexford but imo what I saw tonight there playing catch up already. The intensity in training was savage.
The new trainers won't weaken them at all. you can tell so much by how team trains. You can tell the poor coaches in a set up. Trust me clare have none not one.
They had video analyst there.
Is week in December, cork football had major training camp in may before championship had none.
See the point I make between top coaches and poor coaches.
They stand out like a sore thumb.
Clare know there panel they know their line of direction
Cork need to cut some lads from panel that have no hope making it as they need have intensity training now as starting in January way way too late to do ball work when Cahalane and Walsh need to tone their ist touch and striking and Walsh on he's left side
Full panel thirty four bar three cratloe to add they didn't waste time pick panel too large they picked every single player they have seriously chance start on championship.
I know the panel from seeing them train, exceptional strong panel.
Cork yes it's December but we're behind imo if we don't touch hurling til January
Heaven sweet lord almighty do cork not realise we have all Ireland champions and league holders in valentines night kilkenny and ball work starting in January six weeks before simply not on let's call a spade a spade
Simply not on.
This talk about kilkenny being weaker over all retirement is just utter utter drivel
Yes great great tommy Walsh,fogarty etc great great players but they didn't start all Ireland final. SO kilkenny have already won with out them.
Shefflin greatest ever but he didn't start either so while their losses kilkenny won already with out them
The one huge huge set back they have and thankfully our weakest aera is now there's is full back where the majestic the brilliant the greatest ever ever full back I saw is huge loss to them and he was hurler but a full back that man and ball never together passed him,and he rightfully so at all costs stopped goal
Huge huge loss and they will struggle to fill it as glynn UCC not the answer and holden may be with ballyhale but last year they in league struggle to solve it
Cork have chance now he's gone huge huge chance but having said that Brian Cody won't piss sway threw years playing corner backs as full so unlike cork he'll have full back by time year ends
Cork had great full backs but I must offer my best wishes to that kilkenny legends who had balls steel ,hunger,want,dog,leadership. Courage. A real hurling brain and hurling on either side, but a sheer admirable greedy selfish streak like all kilkenny players to always keep winning and the want more.
I wish jj nothing but the best and he was truly a legend at half back or full
He will be like Brian o driscoll in rugby you find replacement but no one will ever come close them he was that that brilliant.
Lord mayor cup tonight
Ag mhuire declines enter team
I'd say o grady knew it was no benefit to them
some enter team as ccb initiative but does it really helps team is real question at this time of the year
It's good idea but as I said badly organised imo wrong timing and some schools didn't enter over timing
Midelton didn't need to be involved in it with so much else in all Ireland final,harty cup game all this week.
What I heard poor communication regards this launch and how it was run.
A shame as a great idea, pity was not planned better.
I doubt ag mhuire care bout lord mayo cup this week.0 -
Is it in UL that Clare train TTM? What days generally? Would love to have a look myself!0
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »I'll pm you next one I hear
Only heard late tonight myself
Forget what you read papers
Go down with open mind just watch them
Absolutely brilliant figsy be fair
Appreciate it!0 -
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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »Lord mayor cup
Midelton didn't need to be involved in it with so much else in all Ireland final,harty cup game all this week.
Not Midleton CBS apparently - other Midleton schools
Midleton CBS at least regrouped to win in O Callaghan Cup today beating CSN handy
Midleton CBS V Rochestown in O Callaghan s/f for honour of playing AG in final0 -
Is it in UL that Clare train TTM? What days generally? Would love to have a look myself!
There training about 4 nights a week for the past 8 weeks. I would nearly worry about over training in that you can't possibly keep that going for a full year. 7 months training before Championship starts? Waterford are currently doing the same in WIT. There all in breach of the training ban the past few weeks but the players aren't submitting expenses so technically it doesn't count as organised training as they all just happened to go to the same place at the same time.0 -
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Richmond Ultra wrote: »There training about 4 nights a week for the past 8 weeks. I would nearly worry about over training in that you can't possibly keep that going for a full year. 7 months training before Championship starts? Waterford are currently doing the same in WIT. There all in breach of the training ban the past few weeks but the players aren't submitting expenses so technically it doesn't count as organised training as they all just happened to go to the same place at the same time.
U can be sure Davy isn't doing that for free lol. I dunno I beleive in tough training done properly but that craic isn't sustainable at amateur level. It simply couldn't be. U see the proof in the pudding with the increasing prevalence of stress fractures, ligament damage and on and on. Davy and particularly McGrath in Waterford if be hugely critical of for this kind of lark. These players are still in the majority, very young, lads barely 18, u run the real risk of ruining them.
When u have the likes of Arsene wenger, a hugely experienced professional manager blaming himself for playing jack wilshere too much too young and paying the price for dodgy ankles u begin to see the stupidity of such behaviour I don't care how professional your set up is.0
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