Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-01-2015 2:53am

As I thought Colm Barry lined out for Mary I v Tipperary tonight and beaten But interesting he played at half back

I talked lad at as three cork men last year sub goalie mike Browne under twenty one and mallow pa herhily and barry played and he told me barry hurled lot ball at half back up against bonner maher

Barry won't be eligible mcgrath cup now Cork but imo hope starts either v WExford or ballyhale challenge matches as should imo make league panel

GAA2TheCore · 10-01-2015 3:03am

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I had thought that myself but in echo tonight ul

Nearly 100% sure he plays for LIT under Davy , did he not score goal in fitzgibbon semi final loss to WIT ?

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-01-2015 3:08am

GAA2TheCore wrote: »

Nearly 100% sure he plays for LIT under Davy , did he not score goal in fitzgibbon semi final loss to WIT ?

He defo played lit as major part beating ul also day lit came through trees on ul ptich make entrance
I just read echo tonight it said he with ul and thought he transferred must been error so if didn't transfer etc

Figsy32 · 10-01-2015 3:26am

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

He defo played lit as major part beating ul also day lit came through trees on ul ptich make entrance
I just read echo tonight it said he with ul and thought he transferred must been error so if didn't transfer etc

He has transferred to UL. Living with Podge Collins and you often see them pucking together on a green in an estate by the college.

He played for LIT against UL last year and was superb. Scored about 1-5 including a very spectacular goal.

Don't know if he'll play tomorrow but will be with UL for fitz 100%.

Fireball07 · 10-01-2015 3:31am

Yeah Tony Kelly is in UL now, seen him around recently. Not sure if he'll be playing, does Davy not encourage his players to stick with the Clare team at this time of year?

North Cork Star · 10-01-2015 12:06pm

Colm Barry has been played at Centre Back/Wing Back this year for Mary I so far. Played Full Back last year and was full back Under 21. But he seems a bit better and more comfortable out on the wing, as he also played well there when with the Cork Intermediates last year. But still an option for full back as he is physical.

Tony Kelly has moved over to UL this year and Davy, as expected was not happy with his decision and from what I heard, Kelly threatened to leave the Clare panel but I haven't heard anything since. I assume he still is training away with Clare.

Looking forward to today's game. With the players already mentioned above, UL will be a good test for the Cork Hurlers. This is a game where panel places are up for grabs for the league. It would be important to win this game though as more games will give new lads more game time.

May 2015 be a good year for Cork GAA!

GAA2TheCore · 10-01-2015 1:05pm

UL will have a very strong team with the players they already have and with tony kelly after transferring to them I won't be too surprised if they beat cork it will be a interesting game and I reckon UL won't be too far away in the fitzgibbon

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-01-2015 1:21pm

Figsy32 wrote: »

He has transferred to UL. Living with Podge Collins and you often see them pucking together on a green in an estate by the college!

He played for LIT against UL last year and was superb! Scored about 1-5 including a very spectacular goal!

Don't know if he'll play tomorrow but will be with UL for fitz 100%

Thanks lad much appreciated I though as much

Yeah remember that game was at it
That was simply master class absolutely master class in how astute brilliant genuis management by Davy fragging murphy and Jim Browne lit beat ul star studded team which again undermine that management is king of the jungle and I mean king you need great management and look yesterday even Thurles had much better manager in devane ex tipp player than Ag management who imo o grady should had more influence

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-01-2015 1:43pm

GAA2TheCore wrote: »

UL will have a very strong team with the players they already have and with tony kelly after transferring to them I won't be too surprised if they beat cork it will be a interesting game and I reckon UL won't be too far away in the fitzgibbon

Lit even with out kelly won't be far away as fitzgoibbion is in lit

Git nice draw imo

Ran clare to few points challenge match before Xmas and they will be tough

Cit also will be stronger with walsh back
Ul like wise
Ucc also
Should be great competition

Make no mistake about it thry will beat cork if team started finished
Thry will have to make changes fast as half forward is something you would see in limerick under tj in three half forwards that are big physical strong ball winners with no creative scoring presence

Id agree north cork star but at full back confidence crucial as great great I mean great really really great full back like rock, tj, ger cush, greatest all jj had confidence under high ball and barry has no confidence imo in square but put him half back he's complete different player in he's huge confidence at half back

Likes jj you could play half and full
Brian cocoran was the same
Pat mulchay imo was brillant half back but not great corner back etc
Some players can't make transition
Barry is the same
Half back imo brilliant

So far there's been stand out statement by Colm Barry Anthony Spillane and Cormac Murphy who simply have to be on the league panel

Cian mac and lawton and Murray and haughey should be dropped
Colm Spillane who is trying new type treatment get finally sorted if gets clear run will be on panel and he has it

You just know players that will make it

I said Spillane and murphy were destined even last year make it

Nagle who didn't have best game other night I think should be cork panel and id try full back as he's I think can make transition from half to full back

I'd like shane o keoffe added as pa callaghan won't be

I think cork have huge chance all ireland but full back huge huge worry but again cork have Kilkenney and clare to fear thry would quite easily beat limerick judging by their championship panel they named imo there in huge trouble they just can't see it yet, tippeeary be close but could , while none of the rest fear me

Kilkenney is huge test but attitude corl has changed from last year as limerick and ballyhale shamrocks and WExford in challenge matches imo were good choices

Limerick giving you the physical passion challenge
WExford giving you the possession more creative challenge
Ballyhale a mixture of both

Horse84 · 10-01-2015 2:03pm

I usually hate to single out players be it to praise or criticise but I'll make just one exception in this case and for the record im not judging this player just on one challenge game from Thursday night.

Paul haughney has absolutely no
business on any cork panel in my view. I can't honestly see what management see in him at all. He is the personification of what cork do not need in a player. We've had too many like him and can't continue.
There was one passage of play Thursday night which summed him up. Bill cooper (who was excellent throughout) in terrible conditions was fighting for a ball with 3 defenders around him, haughney had been introduced and literally stood off when he saw a ruck developing. I was standing right behind jbm and co and they went ape **** and told haughney as such that he should've helped cooper out. Now if this is a guy that's supposed to be trying to impress and fight for his place it was pitiful. His decision making when he did get the ball was poor and yes he does have good wrists but at this level I'm sorry no not good enough. For his sake I hope I'm proved wrong with him starting against UL but having watched him a good bit in fitzgibbon the last few years I'm not convinced.
Other fringe players and new comers I were impressed by were Cormac Murphy, the odd bad mistake aside real stood out and tried hard and Spillane for ucc who does look a serious talent also.

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-01-2015 2:09pm

Horrible day for a game in it was dry and surprisingly warm but huge huge swirling wind but look it was the same for both teams

Congratulations to Thurles In truth I'd love Ag mhurie won but it would been harsh Thurles who were far and far the better team most has around twenty five wides

Ag raced in to five point lead , gunning and sheehan getting scores but Thurles never panicked and against wind knew they had huge chance still

Ist goal was billy Mccarthy high ball broke and he finished superbly with a low shot but great finish o connell had no chance

Then not long after wards butler who was brillant got goal grace any game absolutely bullet shot top corner again no goalie county save it

Ag made some incorrect tactic decision imo
Lee was correctly at midfield and drifted I'm to half forward and he has brilliant game one three but he really had fine get on eve cork debut he has huge confidence but this was heart break defeat and imo if doesn't have good game tommorrow must not be criticsed

I said I had every faith in him to perform today once he was out field and he was brillant
Cork senior management need help this Lad tommorrow in after crushing loss play him outside full forward in he imo played there tommorrow and not best position

Management deserve credit huge credit got it right

However only imo one they got right
In leary played centre forward, Donovan forward is normally a back played full forward and yeah got a point or two he's much better out the field imo and half back line was completely new this year in two of morrisey and Eric o keoffe started and imo their fine players but shouldn't started today's game in hadn't played as unit all year

This was said here while back they should start and I said there were very good hurlers but Ag had better balance with others expierenced players for this game
Unless brian callaghan was injured he should started imo
Yes he came on but he should started as five point lead was nearly gone when he came on
It was huge ask morrisey just been sub last day and o keoffe no other harty games to hit the ground running.
They would be fine if thry had games imo

Morrisey will be a brilliant hurler but callaghan expierence needed today and huge pressure on the half back line and while Thurles got low score points wise they created lots chances as they dominated possesion half forward

Gunning had great game at time at full back but he was trying to be everywhere and gaps appeared
You always always put your best man their best man and nothing imo learned management wise from the doon game and gunning should been on butler

Dan gunning really tried but got no supply like sheehan and when gunning got ball cause Ag dripped lad back meant Thurles had free back always two on gunning
The goal and point rocked Ag before half time

But after half time five points down lee got a vital goal when shot bounced devices goalies but Thurles led by ronan and ed hefferan and brillant derby and Mccarthy at midfield just dominated possesion

Ag couldn't be faulted for heart or commitment played to end great character but tactical wise ex tipp player devane out thought Ag

I had raised fears of tactical wise Ag I had concerns like other posters here. After other games and today showed why
Interesting hear seventh take on it
Said wouldn't post straight after as understandably tough loss for Ag but I'd like to know seventh views on its

They Brought it back to a point when o connell took fast short puck out and lee broke up the wing and they got a score but then went point down but then gunning got free to bring back to a point and time up Ag broke through on goal twenty yard out chance to equalise with a point on they had chance but went goal it was saved and game was over
They had glorious chance to goal. I wouldnt hold Evan sheehan at all responsibility in lad just fifteen and showed huge courage to go for goal
Sheehan tremendous young player and should be proud he's season and will improve every year and will become main leader at harty few years

I don't know what happened or the word from Ag but always in close game with few minutes to go point in it your make sure you get word players go for Points.
Just take the points

Hefferan got sent off after whistle and I feel for him as Thurles lad misses semi final now

I don't think they will win it outright but castletroy or youghal aren't unbeatable but imo winner will come from the other side of the draw imo
Hard luck Ag done cork proud all year, congratulations to Thurles a well coached well drilled side imo.
If a cork school comes through the other side imo nothing to fear here in Thurles can be beaten

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-01-2015 2:17pm

Horse84 wrote: »

I usually hate to single out players be it to praise or criticise but I'll make just one exception in this case and for the record im not judging this player just on one challenge game from Thursday night.

Paul haughney has absolutely no
business on any cork panel in my view. I can't honestly see what management see in him at all. He is the personification of what cork do not need in a player. We've had too many like him and can't continue.
There was one passage of play Thursday night which summed him up. Bill cooper (who was excellent throughout) in terrible conditions was fighting for a ball with 3 defenders around him, haughney had been introduced and literally stood off when he saw a ruck developing. I was standing right behind jbm and co and they went ape **** and told haughney as such that he should've helped cooper out. Now if this is a guy that's supposed to be trying to impress and fight for his place it was pitiful. His decision making when he did get the ball was poor and yes he does have good wrists but at this level I'm sorry no not good enough. For his sake I hope I'm proved wrong with him starting against UL but having watched him a good bit in fitzgibbon the last few years I'm not convinced.
Other fringe players and new comers I were impressed by were Cormac Murphy, the odd bad mistake aside real stood out and tried hard and Spillane for ucc who does look a serious talent also.

That's exactly it

No body any geuine fan doesn't like criticism any player but purely on field play just like kerry Kilkenney do
Your right about haughey he imo has hands faster john Wayne he's hurling is up there with the best but he will not fight for the ball and against riche hogan or Browne or lee chin or galvin clare he won't do imo

You're spot on cork have too many hurlers and hurling won't win an all ireland

Hurling blessed by warriors instinct will win an all ireland
Murphy Spillane and barry have real bite and steel in their hurling
Spillane and murphy relish the physical challenge but have ocean hurling

zetecescort · 10-01-2015 4:35pm

Cork 1-18 UL 1-15. Dayne Lee with the goal in the first few minutes according to twitter, Cork leading by 1-16 to 0-12 entering last 10 min.

Horse84 · 10-01-2015 5:08pm

Anyone hear of Jamie coughlan being in hospital, what injury did he have?

rebelomar · 10-01-2015 5:36pm

The criticism of Haughney above is a bit much imo....he got plenty stuck in today and did a number of things very well. His distribution let him down alright but conditions played a part also. However his support play was top class today.

I agree he's probably behind others in the pecking order but he's certainly not as bad as being made out above.

The half forward line today started very well and won a lot of ball. As all three would be novices at this level it's understandable that they would be caught out on occasion. Thought Walsh was very lively but decision making was poor alright. The lad from Kilmichael is an example of the kind of player we cast aside in Cork all too often...his hurling was a bit slow alright today but he looks a serious ball winner, good athlete, good work rate and is worth having on the training panel and developing imo.

He might come good he might not but we need to try and work on guys with his physical qualities and attributes.

Though the full forward line was very sharp especially early on, Lee took his goal well and imo in a year or two will be a serious inside forward and goal scorer. He's as cute as a fox and plays off his team mates shoulder very well. Makes great secondary runs and is often available for a little handpass in goal scoring positions.
Needs to get stronger and that will come with age and some gym work.

Overall Cork started very well, playing to a plan and pattern but I felt as the game went on and lads were trying to impress some got selfish in possession and our pattern of play went out the window.

I'd like to see more of the two corner backs certainly. Again two guys in definitely have on a training panel for the league. Both have the required pace and tenacity for senior hurling.

The lad Collins in goal has a seriously accurate puckout. A real prospect.

Rebel norrie · 10-01-2015 5:42pm

Haughney Joyce.and William Kearney best players on show for cork. Collins has a very good puck out. Half forward line was poor. Lee got a good goal however I know he is young but he needs to some serious gym work. Luke was taking frees played ok. Moylan poor enough should be taking his chances to impress in these games. Bitterly cold today.

thinkstoomuch1 · 10-01-2015 11:51pm

Firstly in line with horse I can't emphasis enough I'm similar view I don't like criticism any player however valid criticism must be allowed in cork gaa or if not no point these forums in gaa or even going matches as if we're all nodding dogs so to speak in we see players play poor yet say nothing then no point imo as kerry and Kilkenney new Zealand, man united great I mean really really really great team actually welcome constructive criticism to move forward.
Cork ladies football the utmost example imo and role model we must aspire to

I would like to think as mine as it may seem be unpopular at times it constructive and just imo realism
I don't belive in pessimistic or negative views
I belive in reality.

Cork won and didn't have change half forward At the start like as strongest half back line didn't start for Ul just mclirnery but Stapleton and quinn flanked him but not in same class as tom ryan or Dan morrisey.
This game was well below intercounty standard bar few who had intercounty county opponents
Some imo ruled them selves out going forward

Walsh o connor and kelleher Could never start as unit against top team'sas no real scoring threat there too alike, the dynamic and balance of telepathic cohesion and team rhythm fluidation in symmetry of unity to work together imo is off balance as a unit

all three are imo going for one position in half forward line panel as cian McCarthy and lawton are unjustified favourite with management imo. Maybe landers will change that

Thry were dominated at times in the second half and kelleher and walsh had be replaced in the end imo
Yes cork had big lead and tempo dropped but Ul changes made difference

Walsh Cooper and harnedy lehane all automatic imo

Out of Andy walsh and Frahill o connor and kelleher I'd go for o connor raw but best option imo
Kelleher weak left side won't develop as hurling and football with club and cork under age etc and he's left side is weak needs full attention
If went hurling alone yes maybe
But I said earlier year john cronin should be on panel, outstanding with cit last year, outstanding again Club, cork intermediate he's a ball winner and can play midfield
I'm told Davy Fitzgerald clare rates him highly and imo is possesion type player
He's shooting can be erratic but he better scorer than Frahill or certainly walsh
He's family real hurling people I think he's father does score boards at games all over the country
He's better than walsh, cian, lawton etc yet they get games he's doesn't

Good win but look colleagues don't care about these games and imo is there any point having them in it imo
Only In the second half when they started bring on better changes cork were in real trouble and had to change things

Cit won't beat cork next week and id be going far say jbm needs lay down law with Cooper walsh coughlan etc and say playing with cork as if not picked can't play wit cit in cork will need few them for either clare or tipp in a semi
Cork can still have young team but no harm having them on bench as cork should try get final at least
Cit are not going beat corl but walsh etc plays can't play for cork
Cit playing challenges anyway so cork game won't affect them imo
As play WExford tommorrow who play tippeeary tommorrow in challenge also
So WExford while won't have strongeat team should have lot lads dont play and should still be challenging imo

It's a tad selfish from cork yes but look we have huge game v Kilkenney coming up time to be ruthless
You develop culture of attuide your ruthless from the start player will sense that and you build focus and consistency in intensity from the start

Collins awesome in goal, intelligent but huge composure is going be one of the greatest I mean greatest cork goalies and lord sweet lord sweet lord we had them cusack nash. Paddy barry, martin Coleman senior, this lad is that good
I have truly never seen anything so young like him
Remember in my earlier post two year ago at under seventeen mallow said I saw star was born
Unbelievable talent and I'm rarely wrong imo judging a player
Patience and stay injury free he's destined for the top

Will kearney be fair was. Very good really good but I's he better corner back than o Sullivan. O neill, mcdonnell. Burke, Stephen murphy, no he is not
No need to be on the panel then
Cork don't need corner backs
He gets turned too easily and any fast corner forward would beat him

Cahalane fine game solid and needs stay it
Donughe I said isn't corner back
No blame on him today but mclirnery had him in bother
Conor sullivan tightened things up
But o donughe definitely should play next week and is one for radar but he imo won't make panel just now but he will be in under twenty one hurling but dual code is a problem here imo

Brian Sullivan was okay but forde turned him at times and like I said imo not senior
Joyce had brilliant game at six and showed he's half back or nothing like I keep saying

He trying to cover both sullivan and Glenn and he left he's man free who got lots scores but I don't blame Joyce he's little support
Glenn o connor done well at the start but today imo showed he won't make it
I was glad he got chance and has bit cut but mark Carmody who isn't actually forward but a back caused him huge difficulty
So he'll meet better half natural forwards like bubbles Dwyer

Midfield haughney had moments and got two points but him and Murray were we'll beaten overall imo hurling they as second half proved don't like a dog fight when In spell became that

They in truth imo never had chance make it

Andy walsh didn't impress. Trys no doubt absolutely all credit due

O connor did but I's grafter must have scoring forwards with him
Lawton be fair got two points points as a sub but again I think cork have better
If he started would he done well is the question
Mclirnery was well softened by time o connor went off

Kelleher win high ball but I'd have under twenty one would not have on senior league this year

O farell Showed ed great promise
Moylan worked hard and nice scores but I expect more I'n tendency go missing

He like luke need target man work off

Dayne lee good debut when he played yesterday but he began to tire
I said don't judge lad if he had bad game as be fair yesterday he played
He deserves huge credit for he's display great scores and done well nice goal and imo not full forward

Should start next week and imo should be with under twenty one team but I don't know if he forces him self in league panel and imo Spillane is ahead this moment in time and done all that was asked imo
Id have him training yes but under twenty one I'd play him, senior bit early for him

I had said three weeks ago he needed step up and show he had it cork player for Ag and be fair he was outstanding yesterday and he really stood up
He's attuide has been brillant last few week and I hope he makes league panel but I still think cian mac, lawton this world are favourite with jbm no matter what they do I'n he's style players and wont be dropped and imo taking up two league places that likes lee etc have better potential while still young yes

As for haughney I'm sorry now but it's fully justified the criticism given on other games .
Blaming the weather are you kidding me.
Weather is an excuse for touch and pace but NEVER EVER SHOULD IT AFFECT ATTUIDE as we're playing in ireland where weather is a lottery and I'm sorry but if he's just top ground hurling he's no business being near corl Elite Senior team
How tall is riche hogan?????
Haughney is actually bigger
Does riche hogan blame weather for poor game
Watch kilkenny v limerick this year,

let's keep this realistic the weather today yes was bad but that was a monsoon day in august yet hogan was like a gorilla in the mist with he's attuide and want and hunger and desire and huge appetite to get stuck in and do unselfish work that the great great really great players do
Now why do I mentioned hogan, simply as he will have face hogan sooner or later he plays with cork
That's the level you aspire to

He did not really get stuck in today be honest now imo.
There's stuck in and there's stuck in imo He had good moment but kelly had much better game imo and kelly should suited him touch wise
Against woodlock he be fine but against physically challenge players In mauls no in he lacks warrior instinct

He is well able to shoulder or hit when he's one v one, as look last year league quater final v tipp far side line he flattened tipp lad sent in ball for harnedy goal
However in a scrum or maul where's there four bodies clustered likes bees around honey and everything goes in that maul so to speak he simply as proven today standa back waits for the breaks
Simply not good enough and he done this time and again
Compare him to warriors of kearney, o shea there world's apart imo

Kearney I remember being in the few that stood up him last year after tipp game is a warrior and hurler yet he's criticsed by some cork fans
Look at he's club form this year and v kilmallock
Yet haughney seen by some as options to replace him if needs be
A bench must be strong in guy comes in nearly strong as lad taken off
Haughney is fine in the cork club scence as it's well established that cork hurling at club as seen by this year all levels in munster there's a softness within as refeee is far far too soft
It's not he's fault in he plays to the game rules are
But if cork hurling is tougher imo I think he would struggle
I don't there is a need for him as rickard cahalane and o shea,John Cronin are better options and if needed be I'd rather peter dowling Kilkenney
He imo lacks pace but I'd have him any day over haughney
Now he's Kilkenney would not bother me.
There's imo better than dowling but dowling carries midelton midfield to a county
It'd no wonder that jerry Wallis made him captain for this season
Dowling is great role model off and on the hurling field as captain and quite an accomplished coach just unfortunately midelton CBS don't use him more in he's not coaching now imo

Haughey won't come close to kearney
He's fine as today was loose be honest in wasn't near rough and tumble bar occasion compares to senior elite intercounty and the other ul midfielder is not with respect senior intercounty

He's like lawton and cian mac in there jbm hurlers in jbm loves fast direct free style hurling but look that style won't won cork all ireland
To be fair cian mac he has it all bar mobility otherwise he's fine.
He has toughness witness as a hurler

To beat Kilkenney and clare you can't be physically stronger with no hurling or have hurling but lack warriors inside in there's no half measures you must have it all to beat them
Limerick And tipperary are classic example Last year physically strong but still lacking
Tippeeary proved have hurling in spaces but lack warriors of limerick I agree rebelmaor with other points though

If you combined limerick and tipp it be unbeatable team you have
There's a sign that landers is changing that mentality in cork in o donughe, who he had a minor, kelleher, walsh. O connor all have grit and character within so he slowly changing that, problem imo get balance right

Landers you see was a great hurler for cork in 99 as what he brought in leadership and captain and inside and outside he was tough as nails
He wasn't the greatest ever midfield player in cork wouldn't come close
He typically was not the jbm style fast midfielder but he was credit to jbm facilities at midfield to do defined role and was there help Mick o connell who was the john Wayne fast hands ace shooter renbembrr Galway under twenty one final 98 he was on fire and v Waterford in Thurles ice cream sunday
Landers would been centre back he's best position bar brian the great.

Haughey in my opinion is exactly pro type mickey o connell
Both same club. But sublime free takers, lovely hands. Awesome striking wonderful long distance scoring and haughey could make no mistake score nine points v waterford on Thurles in free open game just like mickey
Thry both play half forward also

But like mickey proved in 99 he had no toughness within to fight for a ball so he subbed v kilkenny in 99 in pissing rain he just didn't perform
The less talented timmy mac and ridiculous maligned by cork fans imo great great player he went midfield got Three points and was brillant

Just get a video haughey v Laois div two last year wet cold night again he didn't get stuck in in portlaoise.
Michael sullivan imo who should got better run for cork that game was subbed and never got much chance after that
Haughey does
Michael sullivan is I think gone abroad but he never got fair run with cork imo like others
He had brilliant season for cit and cork and intermediate.
He's tough and like I said last year loves physically challenges
He destroyed noel mcgrath under twenty one years ago.

Dry day for midelton down pairc v barrs open fast game haughney absolutely brilliant or today in loose hurling I don't doubt
In war of attrition he imo is not a warrior and look at he's under twenty one career same problem yet ger Fitzgerald used he's club man as sub over seamie harnedy v limerick classic munster under twenty one final yet he didn't puck a ball as the physical aspect that game was too much

I'f it's acknowledge he behind others why on earth should cork carry him with respect this is cork senior elite hurling it's not Ryanair or aer lingis so no passengers should be carried

Passenger I mean On hurling field soley by if he can't play big games you don't carry a guy on the panel

Seanie Mcgrath a light player had tremendous dog within and fought for dirty ball and he got three points in rain proved wet weather has no bearing if your small if you still fight like a wolves for it
Seanie my hero still is as player but management imo I would not have him in the cork set up

Key is me not criticism of him, it's differenation of it from a player I realised he's wonderful value to cork but in management in my opinion I don't think he has it and cork have better selectors imo
Id be hoping landers can distinguish the tough characters needed to play for cork and he's open to change of styles
Cork will either be successful or fail on that imo
Landers has done nothing to say he can't do it it's just done nothing at senior to prove he can but he has potential so cork have new voice and hope
Look at tipp and limerick same voices as last year practically in management Not good.
Looking at dublin football they freshen thing's up with sherlock
He may have altar boy quietness compared to others don't be fooled, I hear he's a top top ruthless man to be within a set up
Gavin would not have him other wise

Peter kelleher imo is senior midfield football written all over him not full forward where he's tried at under twenty ones but hurling I don't know has he potential to improve hurling finese unless he's committed one code
Walsh trys but fine for killeagh but imo way off

Frahill O connor had good battle with mclirnery and won ball and imo is rough diamond in he could improve In just he's second game unlike lads he's vying for a spot as they had loads of chances

This being too harsh nonsense with respect is half problem in cork
Corl hurling must have a ruthless honesty within.
The greatest example so far in cork hurling was made on the seventh January 2015 captain pa cronin showed no ego in saying I'm not captain next year I ain't want it as my performance dropped and I must do more
How many other cork players would do that
Cronin imo was he's harshest critic himself.

Key was he showed no ego, he realised he wasn't greater than the team, Paul o connell text book style There's a huge difference between ego imo and confidence and arrogance

Ego I's imo an Arrogance imo a self confidence above the rest that unjustified with no humility shown imo
Look at jj hanrahan, some say he has a ego.
Imo no. He had self confidence to know he was better than what's ahead him but he'd play second fiddle to a player as good as he is is inferior when hanrahan has shown more promise at young age
He has be selfish look after number one
He's fully justified to leave. No ego just you get one chance In sport you got to take it, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
He also ruthless didn't as o gara say wanted to be a twelve saw himself as a ten.
You see if he did not go abroad he'd likely be jack all trades like earls etc and master none
It's tough ask for shane o neill in you can't swap county but imo he needs to say jbm I'm not playing full back ever again
Now yes he could be dropped for that but imo he's better to be dropped than played out position and made look poorer player than he actually is
Imo he has get game time at corner I'n league and even if he's few bad games can't be dropped as imo management owe this guy time as they imo shattered he's confidence last year and he's a wonderful hurler and deserve more be to honest imo

There's clear examples of inter county managers imo with huge egos in management that think there there great yet nothing justified that bar imo their ego
Ego is imo not a word we should not use in gaa in many managers speak word now, eammon ryan spoke no ego in he's panel
There humble and down to earth
Nothing is above them or certainly below them
They will never have any problems going forward
A poster mentioned cork aren't humble at times he was spot on in he's right humble is a value imo cork should have as humble and ego can't go together , so with humbleness comes no ego

Pa cronin definitely done cork huge humbling act of goodness and this will show cork panel no ego can exist. Of all the captain speeches, all the media duties he done imo that day last week he done the greatest thing any captain can ever do for he's team he simply put he's team ist as he realised he's performance dropped and cork deserved more

Jesus got sacrificed for the good of he's people,in sport Roy Keane sacrificed himself for the better meant of irish soccer at a world cup.,pa cronin done the same imo

Cronin got severly criticsed last year yet he was sick and had injury yet he made wonderful call this week
Horgan on the other hand didn't set the game alight when he game on today yet had poor year from play and doesn't get criticsed as In cork he has this untouchable sense in some eyes

Go to limerick thread and it's similar with respect to them there not ruthless enough like Some in cork in some think continue as is is fine , but look at kerry Kilkenney thread there is no its too harsh on a player once he judged on field play they criticse
They don't give players chance after chance

I'm sorry now lads but you can not pick and choose what games to play In, you must be adapted to all weather
Joe deane was small man like o connor but heaven above see them in the rain, they had dog and bite hurling within
We can't give lads chance after chance

I'm hoping landers will add ruthless streak and maybe cian and lawton be dropped in panel announced few week
Remember this is senior elite intercounty hurling
And if anyone think I'm harsh I am sorry geuinely and I don't want offend anyone but ask year selves this, what is cork senior hurling defined by????

It's defines imo by all ireland glories and we owe it to the likes of greats the really really great I mean great now , Christy ring, jbm , Jack lynch, Gerald maccsrthy, brian cocoran. Joe deane etc. Ray Cummins, martin Doherty etc to protect their legacy, they weren't hurlers alone they were brave hearts and warriors,men of men, lions of trogianic courage on the hurling fields of gold and the field of dreams they created and do that we must win all ireland and it can only be done by ruthless execution with no room for sentiment imo and tough hard bold choices must be made

Let's never ever forget or more importantly allow to truly ever ourselves forget what the red and white jersey stand for On the field of play and values it holds dear to every man and and woman involved in cork gaa just like in Kilkenney.
That's the standard kilkenny set

Cork hurling is too precious commodity to ever ever take for granted imo and we must never ever ever become like some moral victory brigade
A year with out all ireland Is something we must not accept as normal.
When I was growing up cork hurling was tough now soft attuide within some circles and clearly with some also and it's imo not right for cork hurling at all all.

In regards the football
Tipperary called off under twenty one hasting cup so hopefully Colin riordain starts midfield tommorrow as cork need real real test at midfield
Team still not announced so I won't do preview in don't know their team
Kerry beat cavan handy ist win for darragh and if he's kerry win senior win v tralee it I still remain to be convinced in relation to he's management.
I think cork should definitely sent selector to watch them but wouldn't loose sleep.
Thats bit an arrogance no not at all but imo an entity we have grown accustomed to In cork under twenty one. Football that we expect to beat kerry now and that's what you want
That entity cork owed unmeasured gratuitous and respect to leahy and Cleary and hayes and gene for building that legacy and continue it
We should remember that came after noel o leary said the year before 2003 cork had the worst ever under twenty one football management he worked with in and old sunday tribune interview
I really do miss that paper, great paper
See how things went from rock bottom to now a legacy where cork are kings of munster

We are never close to such an entity at senior football due to the acceptance of cork football as the poor relation, the cultural attuide among some in Cork.

I think kerry are shrewd enough their fans they won't get carried away either, kerry are where they are in football the greatest as they don't believe one swallow made a summer made and there never fooled.
Ist test cork football tommorrow but we must see tipp team before we can see how much a test it is
Is the game going ahead in clonmel??
As clonmel is after heavy rain not the best ptich??

The White Feather · 11-01-2015 12:08am

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I was just about to write the same post.....(in my dreams!) :pac:

I will be going through that great post all day tomorrow TTM. Incredible details and passion. That's what Cork needs to win this year too!

rebelomar · 11-01-2015 1:28am

TTM players were topping the ball all day in that cold and wind...if you think such conditions don't effect a players striking/distribution then you are wrong I'm afraid or have never hit a ball in anger in such conditions.

Also in my post I mentioned that Haughney was indeed behind a few lads for midfield role so you went off on a tangent there for no reason . I was merely stating that the level of criticism the lad was receiving was over the top which it was regardless of how many midfield players are better than him, which there are a number.

You have an encyclopediac knowledgeable of the Cork scene in fairness to you and contribute greatly to the thread. Keep up the good work :-)

Cu Baire · 11-01-2015 2:09am

Horse84 wrote: »

I usually hate to single out players be it to praise or criticise but I'll make just one exception in this case and for the record im not judging this player just on one challenge game from Thursday night.

Paul haughney has absolutely no
business on any cork panel in my view. I can't honestly see what management see in him at all. He is the personification of what cork do not need in a player. We've had too many like him and can't continue.
There was one passage of play Thursday night which summed him up. Bill cooper (who was excellent throughout) in terrible conditions was fighting for a ball with 3 defenders around him, haughney had been introduced and literally stood off when he saw a ruck developing. I was standing right behind jbm and co and they went ape **** and told haughney as such that he should've helped cooper out. Now if this is a guy that's supposed to be trying to impress and fight for his place it was pitiful. His decision making when he did get the ball was poor and yes he does have good wrists but at this level I'm sorry no not good enough. For his sake I hope I'm proved wrong with him starting against UL but having watched him a good bit in fitzgibbon the last few years I'm not convinced.
Other fringe players and new comers I were impressed by were Cormac Murphy, the odd bad mistake aside real stood out and tried hard and Spillane for ucc who does look a serious talent also.

An absolutely disgraceful cowardly post about a player that was asked to play in a game for no reward.

Cu Baire · 11-01-2015 2:18am

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Firstly in line with horse I can't emphasis enough I'm similar view I don't like criticism any player however valid criticism must be allowed in cork gaa or if not no point these forums in gaa or even going matches as if we're all nodding dogs so to speak in we see players play poor yet say nothing then no point imo as kerry and Kilkenney new Zealand, man united great I mean really really really great team actually welcome constructive criticism to move forward.
Cork ladies football the utmost example imo and role model we must aspire to

I would like to think as mine as it may seem be unpopular at times it constructive and just imo realism
I don't belive in pessimistic or negative views
I belive in reality.

Cork won and didn't have change half forward At the start like as strongest half back line didn't start for Ul just mclirnery but Stapleton and quinn flanked him but not in same class as tom ryan or Dan morrisey.
This game was well below intercounty standard bar few who had intercounty county opponents
Some imo ruled them selves out going forward

Walsh o connor and kelleher Could never start as unit against top team'sas no real scoring threat there too alike, the dynamic and balance of telepathic cohesion and team rhythm fluidation in symmetry of unity to work together imo is off balance as a unit

all three are imo going for one position in half forward line panel as cian McCarthy and lawton are unjustified favourite with management imo. Maybe landers will change that

Thry were dominated at times in the second half and kelleher and walsh had be replaced in the end imo
Yes cork had big lead and tempo dropped but Ul changes made difference

Walsh Cooper and harnedy lehane all automatic imo

Out of Andy walsh and Frahill o connor and kelleher I'd go for o connor raw but best option imo
Kelleher weak left side won't develop as hurling and football with club and cork under age etc and he's left side is weak needs full attention
If went hurling alone yes maybe
But I said earlier year john cronin should be on panel, outstanding with cit last year, outstanding again Club, cork intermediate he's a ball winner and can play midfield
I'm told Davy Fitzgerald clare rates him highly and imo is possesion type player
He's shooting can be erratic but he better scorer than Frahill or certainly walsh
He's family real hurling people I think he's father does score boards at games all over the country
He's better than walsh, cian, lawton etc yet they get games he's doesn't

Good win but look colleagues don't care about these games and imo is there any point having them in it imo
Only In the second half when they started bring on better changes cork were in real trouble and had to change things

Cit won't beat cork next week and id be going far say jbm needs lay down law with Cooper walsh coughlan etc and say playing with cork as if not picked can't play wit cit in cork will need few them for either clare or tipp in a semi
Cork can still have young team but no harm having them on bench as cork should try get final at least
Cit are not going beat corl but walsh etc plays can't play for cork
Cit playing challenges anyway so cork game won't affect them imo
As play WExford tommorrow who play tippeeary tommorrow in challenge also
So WExford while won't have strongeat team should have lot lads dont play and should still be challenging imo

It's a tad selfish from cork yes but look we have huge game v Kilkenney coming up time to be ruthless
You develop culture of attuide your ruthless from the start player will sense that and you build focus and consistency in intensity from the start

Collins awesome in goal, intelligent but huge composure is going be one of the greatest I mean greatest cork goalies and lord sweet lord sweet lord we had them cusack nash. Paddy barry, martin Coleman senior, this lad is that good
I have truly never seen anything so young like him
Remember in my earlier post two year ago at under seventeen mallow said I saw star was born
Unbelievable talent and I'm rarely wrong imo judging a player
Patience and stay injury free he's destined for the top

Will kearney be fair was. Very good really good but I's he better corner back than o Sullivan. O neill, mcdonnell. Burke, Stephen murphy, no he is not
No need to be on the panel then
Cork don't need corner backs
He gets turned too easily and any fast corner forward would beat him

Cahalane fine game solid and needs stay it
Donughe I said isn't corner back
No blame on him today but mclirnery had him in bother
Conor sullivan tightened things up
But o donughe definitely should play next week and is one for radar but he imo won't make panel just now but he will be in under twenty one hurling but dual code is a problem here imo

Brian Sullivan was okay but forde turned him at times and like I said imo not senior
Joyce had brilliant game at six and showed he's half back or nothing like I keep saying

He trying to cover both sullivan and Glenn and he left he's man free who got lots scores but I don't blame Joyce he's little support
Glenn o connor done well at the start but today imo showed he won't make it
I was glad he got chance and has bit cut but mark Carmody who isn't actually forward but a back caused him huge difficulty
So he'll meet better half natural forwards like bubbles Dwyer

Midfield haughney had moments and got two points but him and Murray were we'll beaten overall imo hurling they as second half proved don't like a dog fight when In spell became that

They in truth imo never had chance make it

Andy walsh didn't impress. Trys no doubt absolutely all credit due

O connor did but I's grafter must have scoring forwards with him
Lawton be fair got two points points as a sub but again I think cork have better
If he started would he done well is the question
Mclirnery was well softened by time o connor went off

Kelleher win high ball but I'd have under twenty one would not have on senior league this year

O farell Showed ed great promise
Moylan worked hard and nice scores but I expect more I'n tendency go missing

He like luke need target man work off

Dayne lee good debut when he played yesterday but he began to tire
I said don't judge lad if he had bad game as be fair yesterday he played
He deserves huge credit for he's display great scores and done well nice goal and imo not full forward

Should start next week and imo should be with under twenty one team but I don't know if he forces him self in league panel and imo Spillane is ahead this moment in time and done all that was asked imo
Id have him training yes but under twenty one I'd play him, senior bit early for him

I had said three weeks ago he needed step up and show he had it cork player for Ag and be fair he was outstanding yesterday and he really stood up
He's attuide has been brillant last few week and I hope he makes league panel but I still think cian mac, lawton this world are favourite with jbm no matter what they do I'n he's style players and wont be dropped and imo taking up two league places that likes lee etc have better potential while still young yes

As for haughney I'm sorry now but it's fully justified the criticism given on other games .
Blaming the weather are you kidding me.
Weather is an excuse for touch and pace but NEVER EVER SHOULD IT AFFECT ATTUIDE as we're playing in ireland where weather is a lottery and I'm sorry but if he's just top ground hurling he's no business being near corl Elite Senior team
How tall is riche hogan?????
Haughney is actually bigger
Does riche hogan blame weather for poor game
Watch kilkenny v limerick this year,

let's keep this realistic the weather today yes was bad but that was a monsoon day in august yet hogan was like a gorilla in the mist with he's attuide and want and hunger and desire and huge appetite to get stuck in and do unselfish work that the great great really great players do
Now why do I mentioned hogan, simply as he will have face hogan sooner or later he plays with cork
That's the level you aspire to

He did not really get stuck in today be honest now imo.
There's stuck in and there's stuck in imo He had good moment but kelly had much better game imo and kelly should suited him touch wise
Against woodlock he be fine but against physically challenge players In mauls no in he lacks warrior instinct

He is well able to shoulder or hit when he's one v one, as look last year league quater final v tipp far side line he flattened tipp lad sent in ball for harnedy goal
However in a scrum or maul where's there four bodies clustered likes bees around honey and everything goes in that maul so to speak he simply as proven today standa back waits for the breaks
Simply not good enough and he done this time and again
Compare him to warriors of kearney, o shea there world's apart imo

Kearney I remember being in the few that stood up him last year after tipp game is a warrior and hurler yet he's criticsed by some cork fans
Look at he's club form this year and v kilmallock
Yet haughney seen by some as options to replace him if needs be
A bench must be strong in guy comes in nearly strong as lad taken off
Haughney is fine in the cork club scence as it's well established that cork hurling at club as seen by this year all levels in munster there's a softness within as refeee is far far too soft
It's not he's fault in he plays to the game rules are
But if cork hurling is tougher imo I think he would struggle
I don't there is a need for him as rickard cahalane and o shea,John Cronin are better options and if needed be I'd rather peter dowling Kilkenney
He imo lacks pace but I'd have him any day over haughney
Now he's Kilkenney would not bother me.
There's imo better than dowling but dowling carries midelton midfield to a county
It'd no wonder that jerry Wallis made him captain for this season
Dowling is great role model off and on the hurling field as captain and quite an accomplished coach just unfortunately midelton CBS don't use him more in he's not coaching now imo

Haughey won't come close to kearney
He's fine as today was loose be honest in wasn't near rough and tumble bar occasion compares to senior elite intercounty and the other ul midfielder is not with respect senior intercounty

He's like lawton and cian mac in there jbm hurlers in jbm loves fast direct free style hurling but look that style won't won cork all ireland
To be fair cian mac he has it all bar mobility otherwise he's fine.
He has toughness witness as a hurler

To beat Kilkenney and clare you can't be physically stronger with no hurling or have hurling but lack warriors inside in there's no half measures you must have it all to beat them
Limerick And tipperary are classic example Last year physically strong but still lacking
Tippeeary proved have hurling in spaces but lack warriors of limerick I agree rebelmaor with other points though

If you combined limerick and tipp it be unbeatable team you have
There's a sign that landers is changing that mentality in cork in o donughe, who he had a minor, kelleher, walsh. O connor all have grit and character within so he slowly changing that, problem imo get balance right

Landers you see was a great hurler for cork in 99 as what he brought in leadership and captain and inside and outside he was tough as nails
He wasn't the greatest ever midfield player in cork wouldn't come close
He typically was not the jbm style fast midfielder but he was credit to jbm facilities at midfield to do defined role and was there help Mick o connell who was the john Wayne fast hands ace shooter renbembrr Galway under twenty one final 98 he was on fire and v Waterford in Thurles ice cream sunday
Landers would been centre back he's best position bar brian the great.

Haughey in my opinion is exactly pro type mickey o connell
Both same club. But sublime free takers, lovely hands. Awesome striking wonderful long distance scoring and haughey could make no mistake score nine points v waterford on Thurles in free open game just like mickey
Thry both play half forward also

But like mickey proved in 99 he had no toughness within to fight for a ball so he subbed v kilkenny in 99 in pissing rain he just didn't perform
The less talented timmy mac and ridiculous maligned by cork fans imo great great player he went midfield got Three points and was brillant

Just get a video haughey v Laois div two last year wet cold night again he didn't get stuck in in portlaoise.
Michael sullivan imo who should got better run for cork that game was subbed and never got much chance after that
Haughey does
Michael sullivan is I think gone abroad but he never got fair run with cork imo like others
He had brilliant season for cit and cork and intermediate.
He's tough and like I said last year loves physically challenges
He destroyed noel mcgrath under twenty one years ago.

Dry day for midelton down pairc v barrs open fast game haughney absolutely brilliant or today in loose hurling I don't doubt
In war of attrition he imo is not a warrior and look at he's under twenty one career same problem yet ger Fitzgerald used he's club man as sub over seamie harnedy v limerick classic munster under twenty one final yet he didn't puck a ball as the physical aspect that game was too much

I'f it's acknowledge he behind others why on earth should cork carry him with respect this is cork senior elite hurling it's not Ryanair or aer lingis so no passengers should be carried

Passenger I mean On hurling field soley by if he can't play big games you don't carry a guy on the panel

Seanie Mcgrath a light player had tremendous dog within and fought for dirty ball and he got three points in rain proved wet weather has no bearing if your small if you still fight like a wolves for it
Seanie my hero still is as player but management imo I would not have him in the cork set up

Key is me not criticism of him, it's differenation of it from a player I realised he's wonderful value to cork but in management in my opinion I don't think he has it and cork have better selectors imo
Id be hoping landers can distinguish the tough characters needed to play for cork and he's open to change of styles
Cork will either be successful or fail on that imo
Landers has done nothing to say he can't do it it's just done nothing at senior to prove he can but he has potential so cork have new voice and hope
Look at tipp and limerick same voices as last year practically in management Not good.
Looking at dublin football they freshen thing's up with sherlock
He may have altar boy quietness compared to others don't be fooled, I hear he's a top top ruthless man to be within a set up
Gavin would not have him other wise

Peter kelleher imo is senior midfield football written all over him not full forward where he's tried at under twenty ones but hurling I don't know has he potential to improve hurling finese unless he's committed one code
Walsh trys but fine for killeagh but imo way off

Frahill O connor had good battle with mclirnery and won ball and imo is rough diamond in he could improve In just he's second game unlike lads he's vying for a spot as they had loads of chances

This being too harsh nonsense with respect is half problem in cork
Corl hurling must have a ruthless honesty within.
The greatest example so far in cork hurling was made on the seventh January 2015 captain pa cronin showed no ego in saying I'm not captain next year I ain't want it as my performance dropped and I must do more
How many other cork players would do that
Cronin imo was he's harshest critic himself.

Key was he showed no ego, he realised he wasn't greater than the team, Paul o connell text book style There's a huge difference between ego imo and confidence and arrogance

Ego I's imo an Arrogance imo a self confidence above the rest that unjustified with no humility shown imo
Look at jj hanrahan, some say he has a ego.
Imo no. He had self confidence to know he was better than what's ahead him but he'd play second fiddle to a player as good as he is is inferior when hanrahan has shown more promise at young age
He has be selfish look after number one
He's fully justified to leave. No ego just you get one chance In sport you got to take it, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
He also ruthless didn't as o gara say wanted to be a twelve saw himself as a ten.
You see if he did not go abroad he'd likely be jack all trades like earls etc and master none
It's tough ask for shane o neill in you can't swap county but imo he needs to say jbm I'm not playing full back ever again
Now yes he could be dropped for that but imo he's better to be dropped than played out position and made look poorer player than he actually is
Imo he has get game time at corner I'n league and even if he's few bad games can't be dropped as imo management owe this guy time as they imo shattered he's confidence last year and he's a wonderful hurler and deserve more be to honest imo

There's clear examples of inter county managers imo with huge egos in management that think there there great yet nothing justified that bar imo their ego
Ego is imo not a word we should not use in gaa in many managers speak word now, eammon ryan spoke no ego in he's panel
There humble and down to earth
Nothing is above them or certainly below them
They will never have any problems going forward
A poster mentioned cork aren't humble at times he was spot on in he's right humble is a value imo cork should have as humble and ego can't go together , so with humbleness comes no ego

Pa cronin definitely done cork huge humbling act of goodness and this will show cork panel no ego can exist. Of all the captain speeches, all the media duties he done imo that day last week he done the greatest thing any captain can ever do for he's team he simply put he's team ist as he realised he's performance dropped and cork deserved more

Jesus got sacrificed for the good of he's people,in sport Roy Keane sacrificed himself for the better meant of irish soccer at a world cup.,pa cronin done the same imo

Cronin got severly criticsed last year yet he was sick and had injury yet he made wonderful call this week
Horgan on the other hand didn't set the game alight when he game on today yet had poor year from play and doesn't get criticsed as In cork he has this untouchable sense in some eyes

Go to limerick thread and it's similar with respect to them there not ruthless enough like Some in cork in some think continue as is is fine , but look at kerry Kilkenney thread there is no its too harsh on a player once he judged on field play they criticse
They don't give players chance after chance

I'm sorry now lads but you can not pick and choose what games to play In, you must be adapted to all weather
Joe deane was small man like o connor but heaven above see them in the rain, they had dog and bite hurling within
We can't give lads chance after chance

I'm hoping landers will add ruthless streak and maybe cian and lawton be dropped in panel announced few week
Remember this is senior elite intercounty hurling
And if anyone think I'm harsh I am sorry geuinely and I don't want offend anyone but ask year selves this, what is cork senior hurling defined by????

It's defines imo by all ireland glories and we owe it to the likes of greats the really really great I mean great now , Christy ring, jbm , Jack lynch, Gerald maccsrthy, brian cocoran. Joe deane etc. Ray Cummins, martin Doherty etc to protect their legacy, they weren't hurlers alone they were brave hearts and warriors,men of men, lions of trogianic courage on the hurling fields of gold and the field of dreams they created and do that we must win all ireland and it can only be done by ruthless execution with no room for sentiment imo and tough hard bold choices must be made

Let's never ever forget or more importantly allow to truly ever ourselves forget what the red and white jersey stand for On the field of play and values it holds dear to every man and and woman involved in cork gaa just like in Kilkenney.
That's the standard kilkenny set

Cork hurling is too precious commodity to ever ever take for granted imo and we must never ever ever become like some moral victory brigade
A year with out all ireland Is something we must not accept as normal.
When I was growing up cork hurling was tough now soft attuide within some circles and clearly with some also and it's imo not right for cork hurling at all all.

In regards the football
Tipperary called off under twenty one hasting cup so hopefully Colin riordain starts midfield tommorrow as cork need real real test at midfield
Team still not announced so I won't do preview in don't know their team
Kerry beat cavan handy ist win for darragh and if he's kerry win senior win v tralee it I still remain to be convinced in relation to he's management.
I think cork should definitely sent selector to watch them but wouldn't loose sleep.
Thats bit an arrogance no not at all but imo an entity we have grown accustomed to In cork under twenty one. Football that we expect to beat kerry now and that's what you want
That entity cork owed unmeasured gratuitous and respect to leahy and Cleary and hayes and gene for building that legacy and continue it
We should remember that came after noel o leary said the year before 2003 cork had the worst ever under twenty one football management he worked with in and old sunday tribune interview
I really do miss that paper, great paper
See how things went from rock bottom to now a legacy where cork are kings of munster

We are never close to such an entity at senior football due to the acceptance of cork football as the poor relation, the cultural attuide among some in Cork.

I think kerry are shrewd enough their fans they won't get carried away either, kerry are where they are in football the greatest as they don't believe one swallow made a summer made and there never fooled.
Ist test cork football tommorrow but we must see tipp team before we can see how much a test it is
Is the game going ahead in clonmel??
As clonmel is after heavy rain not the best ptich??

One of your better posts.
At least 10% of it makes sense.

Horse84 · 11-01-2015 9:06am

Cu Baire wrote: »

An absolutely disgraceful cowardly post about a player that was asked to play in a game for no reward.

Interesting. Could u explain how it's cowardly? And I'm not sure are u suggesting that players should receive reward for playing? If so, fair enough, it's a different argument but I didn't bring it up in my post.

seventh7 · 11-01-2015 11:02am

As we have said from the start of the Harty campaign the sideline and selection has been been very suspect. The inability to play players in their correct position throughout the campaign has been mind boggling. Thurles were fluid and acomplished and were always going to come out on top. When you drop your starting full back Sullivan and centre back Callaghan then you start with a disadvantage. you then isolate your only ball winner Aherne as decoy on the left hand side and you continue to play linear balls down one side of the pitch then you become very predictable and therefore beatable. Instead of making positional switch's the Ag made changes. O leary is not a centre forward at a push he could play half forward, ahern should have been dropped into the middle to break the play. Young Morrissey an excellent hurler was out muscled and he should have not been exposed like this at 15. Lee was excellent his best game yet full of passion and fight. His run for his goal was super. The older gunning is a fine defender but his ball distribution was poor and the over re alliance on the straight ball down the line in my opinion cost the AG the game. Walsh made two errors in the first five minutes and you could see he was in trouble yet they only made the change when the goals had been conceeded. Yes Thurles were the better team the shots count will prove that but it was a game the Gael scoil could have won. Hard to fault Sheehan for the chance at the end to level the game he is after all 15 years old and was under severe pressure.

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-01-2015 11:24am

seventh7 wrote: »

As we have said from the start of the Harty campaign the sideline and selection has been been very suspect. The inability to play players in their correct position throughout the campaign has been mind boggling. Thurles were fluid and acomplished and were always going to come out on top. When you drop your starting full back Sullivan and centre back Callaghan then you start with a disadvantage. you then isolate your only ball winner Aherne as decoy on the left hand side and you continue to play linear balls down one side of the pitch then you become very predictable and therefore beatable. Instead of making positional switch's the Ag made changes. O leary is not a centre forward at a push he could play half forward, ahern should have been dropped into the middle to break the play. Young Morrissey an excellent hurler was out muscled and he should have not been exposed like this at 15. Lee was excellent his best game yet full of passion and fight. His run for his goal was super. The older gunning is a fine defender but his ball distribution was poor and the over re alliance on the straight ball down the line in my opinion cost the AG the game. Walsh made two errors in the first five minutes and you could see he was in trouble yet they only made the change when the goals had been conceeded. Yes Thurles were the better team the shots count will prove that but it was a game the Gael scoil could have won. Hard to fault Sheehan for the chance at the end to level the game he is after all 15 years old and was under severe pressure.

Totally agree

Same view as myself
To change two half back line and full back in knock out game was truly imo baffling
Callaghan had actually perform brilliant In all he's game
You always have spine to your team yet Ag disruption of full and centre back, midfield and centre forward and full forward was just wrong
Players I don't blame at all
Management pick team
Felt for morrisey was a task shouldn't been asked to do so young
If started you play him on wing with callaghan not at centre back with o keoffe who hadn't really any games to get up to speed

Rochestown next week you will see good good coaching and they will get the match up right
Hamilton have fantastic coach in donoughue but aera thry need to solve to be fair to o donoughue he doesn't have much but try a systematic approach solve it
Youghal coaches done all was asked so far they lack scoring forwards

Ag seventh there was clear sign management concerns regarding team selection v castle troy, doon and rochestown and yet again v Thurles
The Ag boys should be proud gave everything all year done cork hurling proud for such young lads
With more tactical astute moves from management could imo got to the final as the players were there

People say this result is a set back for cork minors
I don't think it is in the slightest in there was at least four incorrectly tactical decision made that ring or hartnett or Dwyer won't make
And only cork minor Dan gunning actually played well just he didn't get enough quailty ball and two men on him

With cork minors he'll have five other lethal forward with him
Butler is with tipp this year I think and how Ag didn't put Eddie gunning on him imo is strange
Aherne tried hard and it was not he fault I'm all changes team meant Ag never got foothold possesion
I heard for cork under seventeen last week or week before he was devastating form getting goal few points in challenge match

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-01-2015 11:38am

Cu Baire wrote: »

One of your better posts.
At least 10% of it makes sense.

Thank you for you opinion your opinion as you probably know means world to me at this stage,your remarkable consistently to make critism my posts without giving reason points you disagree with continues on many different thread and when I post I truly try impress you to what you think.
Hopefully you please may some day deviate from your consistency in your short lining critism if posts here to where you criticse yet gave no reason why so you will actually add to reasonable debate here therfore lead the way. In gaa posting and I can get inspiration from your post and hopefully I'll improve from ten per cent to even eleven per cent but at least that will make you happy
I can't learn from your posts at moment as you rarely debate points but criticse others

Thanks for the constructive criticism as always
My apologies I don't always get around to replying to your posts, unlikely that will change in the future. As I'll be aiming to get over ten per cent so all my focus is on that going forward

Hurleratheart · 11-01-2015 12:53pm

Cu Baire wrote: »

One of your better posts.
At least 10% of it makes sense.[/QUOT

Cu Baire when I see your posts it puts me in mind of a musician - tradional music - I'd say your good on de spoons

ShamoBuc · 11-01-2015 2:20pm

Cu Baire wrote: »

An absolutely disgraceful cowardly post about a player that was asked to play in a game for no reward.

Nonsense. Total nonsense.

Cu Baire wrote: »

One of your better posts.
At least 10% of it makes sense.

That would be 10% more than yours then!!

From what I've read, your posts add nothing to this thread.

Feel free to discuss and expand your views, it would be a welcome change.

North Cork Star · 11-01-2015 2:42pm

I agree that Haughney's criticism is unjustified. I felt he put in a great shift for the game that was in it. Himself and Tony Kelly had a good battle. Kelly obviously showed glimpses of his class but Haughney did get stuck in IMO and got rewarded with 2 points.

Patrick Collins - good puck out with and against wind, made one mistake near end of game when he came off line but didn't deal with high ball coming in, nearly got caught. Other than that, he is young and has great potential.
William Kearney - did well, sweeped up a lot of ball, got the ball out, got stuck in, got caught for pace once alright but overall was good.
Damien Cahalane - did well again, got a couple of flicks in, didn't give full forward much.
Sean O'Donoghue - did okay in fairness, only out of minor, maybe a bit green with had possession.
Brian O'Sullivan - I thought he did well, got into it in the second half, won a lot of ball down his wing and laid it off. A bit light but quick.
Christopher Joyce - did well, covered his line well, caught a few high balls and his striking is good.
Glen O'Connor - did good in fairness, might get caught for pace alright but didn't do too much wrong, cleared a lot of ball.
Paul Haughney - as stated above, he impressed, he can improve and adapt to level, get stuck in physically, he has good hands to be fair.
Brian Murray - he looked a bit awkward at times in his hurling but got involved in a lot of the play, got stuck in.
Peter Kelleher - big man, physical presence and won a couple of high balls and does lack a bit of pace and as stated already, looks to have only one side, which could be improved as Lar Corbett had only one side before, and improved his weaker side.
Alan Frahill O'Connor - again is physical but lacking that bit of hurling but did break a lot of ball and laid it off.
Alan Walsh - tried hard all through and made good runs but decision making let him down at times, got a good point but was short of final product.
Stephen Moylan - he showed well, got a couple of scores, read the break well.
Luke O'Farrell - looked dangerous at times, got a typical Luke point in the first point, good at frees in fairness to him. But work still to do, he knows that himself.
Dayne Lee - got a good goal in the first half but that was it really. In fairness he is only young and played Harty the day before so credit due to him.
Subs: - Darren McCarthy - didn't shine but even though he is light, he did win the ball in a couple of scraps. Great club hurler, would like to see more of him.
Brian Lawton - did very well when he came on to be fair to him, has his critics, including myself but got the two important game clinching points.
Seamus Harnedy - he showed glimpsed of his class when he came on, another big year for the St. Ita's man.
Pat Horgan - a fella who wasn't gonna be up to much yesterday, he wore the black leg warmers when he came on and only one ball came to him but made a lazy attempt to get it into his hand and lost it. I know it is early days but needs to pull up his socks, now a leader, needs to have a big year, he is in his prime years now.
Conor O'Sullivan - great to see him back in the red and white of Cork. Great hurler and solid. Hopefully we will see more of him this year.

It was an enjoyable outing. It is good to have the hurling back again. We got the win and now we have more game time for lads to impress. We have a couple of nice challenge games ahead and CIT next in the Waterford Crystal Cup!

commonsense. · 11-01-2015 4:41pm

North Cork Star wrote:

I agree that Haughney's criticism is unjustified. I felt he put in a great shift for the game that was in it. Himself and Tony Kelly had a good battle. Kelly obviously showed glimpses of his class but Haughney did get stuck in IMO and got rewarded with 2 points.

North Cork Star wrote:

Patrick Collins - good puck out with and against wind, made one mistake near end of game when he came off line but didn't deal with high ball coming in, nearly got caught. Other than that, he is young and has great potential. William Kearney - did well, sweeped up a lot of ball, got the ball out, got stuck in, got caught for pace once alright but overall was good. Damien Cahalane - did well again, got a couple of flicks in, didn't give full forward much. Sean O'Donoghue - did okay in fairness, only out of minor, maybe a bit green with had possession. Brian O'Sullivan - I thought he did well, got into it in the second half, won a lot of ball down his wing and laid it off. A bit light but quick. Christopher Joyce - did well, covered his line well, caught a few high balls and his striking is good. Glen O'Connor - did good in fairness, might get caught for pace alright but didn't do too much wrong, cleared a lot of ball. Paul Haughney - as stated above, he impressed, he can improve and adapt to level, get stuck in physically, he has good hands to be fair. Brian Murray - he looked a bit awkward at times in his hurling but got involved in a lot of the play, got stuck in. Peter Kelleher - big man, physical presence and won a couple of high balls and does lack a bit of pace and as stated already, looks to have only one side, which could be improved as Lar Corbett had only one side before, and improved his weaker side. Alan Frahill O'Connor - again is physical but lacking that bit of hurling but did break a lot of ball and laid it off. Alan Walsh - tried hard all through and made good runs but decision making let him down at times, got a good point but was short of final product. Stephen Moylan - he showed well, got a couple of scores, read the break well. Luke O'Farrell - looked dangerous at times, got a typical Luke point in the first point, good at frees in fairness to him. But work still to do, he knows that himself. Dayne Lee - got a good goal in the first half but that was it really. In fairness he is only young and played Harty the day before so credit due to him. Subs: - Darren McCarthy - didn't shine but even though he is light, he did win the ball in a couple of scraps. Great club hurler, would like to see more of him. Brian Lawton - did very well when he came on to be fair to him, has his critics, including myself but got the two important game clinching points. Seamus Harnedy - he showed glimpsed of his class when he came on, another big year for the St. Ita's man. Pat Horgan - a fella who wasn't gonna be up to much yesterday, he wore the black leg warmers when he came on and only one ball came to him but made a lazy attempt to get it into his hand and lost it. I know it is early days but needs to pull up his socks, now a leader, needs to have a big year, he is in his prime years now. Conor O'Sullivan - great to see him back in the red and white of Cork. Great hurler and solid. Hopefully we will see more of him this year.

North Cork Star wrote:

It was an enjoyable outing. It is good to have the hurling back again. We got the win and now we have more game time for lads to impress. We have a couple of nice challenge games ahead and CIT next in the Waterford Crystal Cup! ï¿¼

You were def at same game as me. Agree with practically everything said above. Was going to post a similar brief line on each player but don't think I could improve on above. A couple of points. I don't' think too many played themselves out of contention yesterday with 1 or 2 exceptions. Alan Frahill and Andy Walsh I don't feel are ready to play at this level yet. Liked the cut of Brian O'Sullivan. Murray not that stylish but real honest. With the right coaching might have something. Similar with Peter Kelleher. Acquitted himself well for a19 year old but loads of room for improvement. Good coaching could work wonders for him. Showed great vision to set up the goal for Dayne Lee. Lee probably one for the future, needs to physcially mature before I'd introduce him at this level. 12/18 months could make a big difference. As regards Huaghney, certainly didn't do himself any harm yesterday. Any day you take Tony Kelly for 2 pts can't be too bad. Mind you, Kelly is a serious class act - he was only at quarter pace at times yesterday and yet got 3 super points, his third in particular worth the fiver admission charge alone. I would say Haughney is most definitely not the finished article but I wouldn't be disregarding him just yet either. Lawtons 2 points on his introduction were important, the second one in particular a lovely score. Of the more established players on view I thought Joyce was the stand out yesterday. One criticism, his striking tends to be more shoulder than wrist resulting in a swing that is a little too big at times with resulting block downs. Neither Moylan nor O'Farrell did their reputations any harm but equally didn't show enough to suggest that they might nail down starting places come championship. Harnedy gave the thing a big lift when he came on, really wanted to get on the ball and showed in a short cameo appearance why he will be one of the first names on the team sheet.

Scarecrow 2 · 11-01-2015 4:44pm

North Cork Star wrote: »

I agree that Haughney's criticism is unjustified. I felt he put in a great shift for the game that was in it. Himself and Tony Kelly had a good battle. Kelly obviously showed glimpses of his class but Haughney did get stuck in IMO and got rewarded with 2 points.

Patrick Collins - good puck out with and against wind, made one mistake near end of game when he came off line but didn't deal with high ball coming in, nearly got caught. Other than that, he is young and has great potential.
William Kearney - did well, sweeped up a lot of ball, got the ball out, got stuck in, got caught for pace once alright but overall was good.
Damien Cahalane - did well again, got a couple of flicks in, didn't give full forward much.
Sean O'Donoghue - did okay in fairness, only out of minor, maybe a bit green with had possession.
Brian O'Sullivan - I thought he did well, got into it in the second half, won a lot of ball down his wing and laid it off. A bit light but quick.
Christopher Joyce - did well, covered his line well, caught a few high balls and his striking is good.
Glen O'Connor - did good in fairness, might get caught for pace alright but didn't do too much wrong, cleared a lot of ball.
Paul Haughney - as stated above, he impressed, he can improve and adapt to level, get stuck in physically, he has good hands to be fair.
Brian Murray - he looked a bit awkward at times in his hurling but got involved in a lot of the play, got stuck in.
Peter Kelleher - big man, physical presence and won a couple of high balls and does lack a bit of pace and as stated already, looks to have only one side, which could be improved as Lar Corbett had only one side before, and improved his weaker side.
Alan Frahill O'Connor - again is physical but lacking that bit of hurling but did break a lot of ball and laid it off.
Alan Walsh - tried hard all through and made good runs but decision making let him down at times, got a good point but was short of final product.
Stephen Moylan - he showed well, got a couple of scores, read the break well.
Luke O'Farrell - looked dangerous at times, got a typical Luke point in the first point, good at frees in fairness to him. But work still to do, he knows that himself.
Dayne Lee - got a good goal in the first half but that was it really. In fairness he is only young and played Harty the day before so credit due to him.
Subs: - Darren McCarthy - didn't shine but even though he is light, he did win the ball in a couple of scraps. Great club hurler, would like to see more of him.
Brian Lawton - did very well when he came on to be fair to him, has his critics, including myself but got the two important game clinching points.
Seamus Harnedy - he showed glimpsed of his class when he came on, another big year for the St. Ita's man.
Pat Horgan - a fella who wasn't gonna be up to much yesterday, he wore the black leg warmers when he came on and only one ball came to him but made a lazy attempt to get it into his hand and lost it. I know it is early days but needs to pull up his socks, now a leader, needs to have a big year, he is in his prime years now.
Conor O'Sullivan - great to see him back in the red and white of Cork. Great hurler and solid. Hopefully we will see more of him this year.

It was an enjoyable outing. It is good to have the hurling back again. We got the win and now we have more game time for lads to impress. We have a couple of nice challenge games ahead and CIT next in the Waterford Crystal Cup!

Thanks , without doubt the best report of performances from yesterday . Straight to the point with everyone and there good points also.

N20 · 11-01-2015 4:44pm

seventh7 wrote: »

As we have said from the start of the Harty campaign the sideline and selection has been been very suspect. The inability to play players in their correct position throughout the campaign has been mind boggling. Thurles were fluid and acomplished and were always going to come out on top. When you drop your starting full back Sullivan and centre back Callaghan then you start with a disadvantage. you then isolate your only ball winner Aherne as decoy on the left hand side and you continue to play linear balls down one side of the pitch then you become very predictable and therefore beatable. Instead of making positional switch's the Ag made changes. O leary is not a centre forward at a push he could play half forward, ahern should have been dropped into the middle to break the play. Young Morrissey an excellent hurler was out muscled and he should have not been exposed like this at 15. Lee was excellent his best game yet full of passion and fight. His run for his goal was super. The older gunning is a fine defender but his ball distribution was poor and the over re alliance on the straight ball down the line in my opinion cost the AG the game. Walsh made two errors in the first five minutes and you could see he was in trouble yet they only made the change when the goals had been conceeded. Yes Thurles were the better team the shots count will prove that but it was a game the Gael scoil could have won. Hard to fault Sheehan for the chance at the end to level the game he is after all 15 years old and was under severe pressure.

Very disappointing result on Friday

Conditions were very difficult and the more physical side were able to deal with them better

Dayne Lee did try his utmost to bring his team into it, and the Eddie Gunning led backs tightened up second half and Thurles would only have had themselves to blame if they had lost the game

Had a levelling point gone over, unfortunately I think Thurles would have prevailed in extra time / replay ?

I've seen Dan Gunning a few times and read the incredible reviews here - he is a great prospect but he needs time to mature physically, he's tough but at the moment he's too light and too easily outmuscled by bigger lads - a point from play last 2 matches a poor return from your star forward - Now with the protection of bigger stronger lads around him in a minor set up he might thrive but I was expecting more from him on Friday

Again on Friday there was ball wasted over sideline - at times by the strong wind but the goalie sent some of his puckouts over which baffled me and it was the same in O Callaghan Cup - giving away possession needlessly

Management are being blamed big time but equally Thurles used the ball poorly in continuing to take pot shots for duration of second half which sailed wide

The betting seems to have Thurles favorites now to win it out which is probably a surprise for Ard Scoil Ris

I was told this was AGs best team for a while and they won't be as strong again next year - disappointing their run has come to an end this year

The other 3 Cork teams have fighting chances and hopefully will prevail on Wednesday

zetecescort · 11-01-2015 5:53pm

any chance they could get Tracey Kennedy back running the twitter, poor enough today. updating the score but not giving the name of who got the score, naming subs coming on but not naming who went off

N20 · 11-01-2015 6:02pm

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

With so much talk about burnout in the last few days young Sean O Donoughue is an example ...my god to have those commitments already in the season and its not even 10 days old ...JBM must have great time for him...i think he will be on the u21 football starting 15 as well...not to mention Freshers ..not to mention his club commitments...and all the training ...the GAA season we love it ...it can drive us mad ...but it is what it is 2 games ...

Good piece below if you havn't seen it already

Recommendations made to lighten load on GAA minor players

The GAA’s minor review workgroup have made a number of recommendations to help ease “the unsustainable situation for our talented 17 and 18-year-old players in which there is excessive focus on short term results to the possible detriment of long-term potential.”
The group found that a huge number of minor footballers and hurlers are participating in excessive training sessions and matches, usually with numerous teams in multiple competitions. This is emphasised by 81 per cent of questionnaire respondents stating that they have felt pressurised not to participate with another team.
Other findings included that 62 per cent of respondents have played while injured, 24 percent play games on a daily or more than one per day basis, and two out of three players will pick up at least one injury in a season.
The 24 recommendations have been split under four sections, player eligibility, scheduling of competitions, competition format and player welfare.
Amongst the key proposals are calls to limit participation in adult competition (over the U21 grade) to players in their last year of minor and forbidding intercounty minor players from playing at intercounty U21 or senior grades.
In recent year’s the likes of Donegal’s Paddy McBrearty, Louth’s Ryan Burns and Westmeath’s John Heslin have played pivotal roles for their county teams aged 18 or less.
With little appetite for the minor grade to be changed to U17 level, the group also suggests a three-year pilot programme at club level which would see one county per province amended their age grades to U13, U15, U17 and U19 at club level.
Furthermore, there’s a proposal for club minor competitions to be completed no later than the second weekend in October, facilitating the commencement of post-primary schools competitions. The latter, they say, should have first call on intercounty players during the commencement of their competitions.
Intercounty minor finals should only be played as a curtain-raiser to adult games “where this is in the best interest of player welfare”. All-Ireland minor football quarter-finals should be discontinued from 2016 and each provincial inter-county minor championship competition should be run using the same format allowing for a second chance for every team.
Additionally, a hurling development committee should develop proposals regarding All-Ireland minor competitions and the accommodation of Galway and Antrim in an equitable system which promotes best practice in a development context.

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-01-2015 7:44pm

Cork won by five points doc penalty

Tipperary didn't even name team yesterday but today was not strongest win
Good win cork but must be kept perspective
Cork in full training for the last nearly three months, tippeeary just back bout six if even week I'm told
So no open top bus in cork tommorrow and certainly no all stars given out

First of all credit due management, absolutely real real progress has been made they actually reacted to the game flow saw cussen was being destroyed and took him off at half time
Credit due they hopefully finally learned
However next game is test in of they pick cussen despite being up against average tipp midfield without riordain he was poor today then they really and truly have not learned a thing
Hannigan he's opponent hardly great imo yet cussen was poor
Acheon a fine midfielder for tipp played with ucc and Morgan rates him collins actually done quiet well against him to be fair
Collins has start v dublin but not as a midfielder.
Collins is ten times better half forward come defender than o driscoll or far far more creative than durrant

I'm hopeful they have learned as be honest shocked they took cussen off but fair play credo due they did unless he was injured, and I didn't think he was

Gould didn't start either which good move
Tippeeary had mixed team but donnachas was brillant absolutely brillant showed real dog and bite and desire and hunger and got around one five but contributes hugely play, hayes came on for hurley and showed flashes but again he made lot poor decision and failed to score.
He's a senior senior eight years panelist now not good enough
Mac eoin you excuse in he's debut but he worked hard

Hayes didn't come near doc or majestic o neill who was brillant
Mac eoin was good winning ball and when hurley went off should Brough on half forward not hayes though but with hayes on in cork had three target men inside at times and cork always went for o neill and like said the other day I expected mac eoin or hurley would be poor in with three inside all three wouldn't get space and balance was wrong
Mac eoin unlike hayes actually worked off the ball though

Midfield improves after cussen went but no where near what needs be
Riordain shower why clancy I's not full back and had him in real trouble
Halloran kick outs were okay but he's no confidence in midfield as always going short
Donoughue my fears were realised. Not corner back and sweemey had him on slow ptich in trouble
He will be destroyed on fast ground by a top corner forward

Clancy won lot ball but still riordain won ball at times but riordain isn't a full forward so clancy wasnt exposed

Riordain should been midfield all the game in had Quinnlan and didn't need two target men
He was made look poorer than what he I's

Loughrey moves outfield during game but isn't corner back
Jamie sullivan fine going forward and created penalty but I feel he was good today he's lack pace be exposed here drier ground
Cadogan isn't a half back line like I said.
He carries lot ball in to cul se sacs and while defended well fact attacking two much grogan git two points of him
Centre back must defend ist and foremost

Hazel poor enough, I can't see how he lasted the game
However if you get view from o Donovan Rossa you may be told he's fine

Collins had fine game
Kevin o driscoll came on and better than cussen but he's limited imo

Colm o driscoll won lot ball but imo wasted lot ball and no creativity
Donnacha outstanding shouldn't be taken off
O rourke I though had good game
Hurley looked good before injury, it didn't look too bad hopefully hard to tell
Colm was brillant
Mac eoin as I said already

Desmond didn't impress when he came on,yeah he's when he came on he's busy but cork needs more in championship than busy imo

Collins had great game around middle but won't do there v dublin
Colm o driscoll okay didn't stand out
George durrant didn't stand out, won ball but no where near creative influence he's being hyped up to be just my opinion of course

Cork should beat Waterford next week even tom mcglinchry with them and probably won it now outright as kerry are out and I'd expect cork as clare aren't in it
Ucc if took serious as beat limerick could beat cork with full team but I think by time final comes thry will be eye up the sigerson
Cork must not get carried away mcgrath cup

No set style today as imo cork were playing long direct ball at times
I didn't see the blanket really stand out
Not anything get excited by and tipp had second string team in areas and cork still don't actually have coach so concerns still remain Tipperary aren't training as long as cork either

As for posts regards haughney people are entitled to their opinion however I believe there way off and I certainly don't belive I'll be proved wrong with him. I hope I am
This was no where inter county standard yesterday. Ul didn't give much though winning it and only second half they put on better players
Haughey done what he always does. Performance is good at best these games in corl but take him up the country in tight ptich and tough oppenent he won't do
Similar to john hayes in football.
Haughney imo is another cathal naughton wonderful skill but hasn't toughness required in physical games

Hurling was never he's problem and attuide is.
He's not up for war of attrition

North cork star I admire your posts greatly but lot your rating are way way too generous I don't think you actually have given any player a bad rating which imo is unrealistic. They play for cork there entitled to be judged on field of play so giving every Lad good ratings for sake of it no good going forward

Glen o connor I wanted to get a chance but to say he was good is not realistic
Look at he's opponent mark Carmody one finest corner backs around, well bar course tj ryan eyes who dropped him from panel is not or never will be a forward yet he cleaned him out for scores
Now how would bubbles, Hannon do on him
Or sweet lord heaven above tj Reid
I'm sorry now but he didn't perform in lower standards yesterday.
Clearing ball no good of he's man gets around three points

Sullivan was turned too many times and even I said cork intermediate this year was poor at times

Haughney may got two points but kelly got three and correctly so kelly it was said was only going through motions
I'm more sure but I believe kelly was training clare Friday night so he's was just in fourth gear as he's nothing to prove in this game to haughney who had perform yet haughey was outscored
Now fast forward to summer if thry meet kelly will absolutely destroy him imo
Walsh tried but look he's say off senior and wont improve he's stage career
Kelleher would but won't playing football also
O connor will imo
Moylan let's be ruthless two points from play against poor ul team from senior panelist last two years not good enough
In farell case he's just back from injury and lee had harty cup day before and ist game
You must simply must set target each player according
Way people taking here with respect all fifteen played well yesterday and deserve another chance

Lads you mist set standard in these games even
Clear as day some no where near senior
Will kearney had fine game yes but who in name jesus is he better than??
Shane o neill no
Mcdonnell no
Burke no
Sullivan no

Murphy much younger than kearney and awesome defender yet kearney is there over sarsfields win but not better what's there in fact Killan murphy who got raw deal last year or David dooling minor play senior glen are also much much much better than kearney
We must keep this realistic

As for the talk regards gunning with respect what a load of nonsense
Imo have seen gunning in cork challenge matches and harty cup and he's flying and no problem strength wise I think problem is he got no supply at all v Thurles and then Ag dripped the forward so thry had no support him and he has two men on him all the time course he struggled

With cork he will actually get regular supply ball so it will help him
And this talk now management bring blames is wrong is imo more nonsense of the highest order
Thurles absolutely dominated possesion all because half back line was bran new bar one player til a sub was made, then the full back was new , o leary isn't centre forward but a fine midfielder midfielder and Donovan wing back not full forward

The poster that said that clearly imo have no concept of Ag best position for players nor with respect do you understand that this is not first times poorer selection have been made

V castletroy, lee was boxed in full forward and then moved out too late and Killan Aherne didn't and should have started
Also v doon I said in preview barry murphy was there only danger man yet Ag never allowed gunning on him man mark him yet he got goal few points single handlely nearly beat them all because the management failed to see what was crystal clear to see
Against rochestown there was some baffling decision
Not once have they been exposed not twice not three times but in fact four times
Now new Zealand rubgy have a train of thought it happens once it's an accident it Happens again it's a trend and it's well established after four games the trend is the Ag management tactical wise and game flow management is poor as the players were there just my opinion of course

Thurles management git there set up perfectly right and can be faulted for all wides in forwards had tough day wind wise imo but I think there bar butler the forwards aren't anything that cant be marked

Bookies may have Thurles favourite but there very beatable and imo Ard scoil if they meet them again will beat them and beat them handy in with brilliant niall moran. Clare hurler Paul flangan and fergal lyons involved won't make same tactical errors and unlike when Thurles beat them in the group ronan lynch won't be a forward but at midfield or half back which will make a he'll of a difference to the team

Hopefully hammies will beat Ard scoil though and rochestown I'f they had to bear them two

Rochestown have more than a fighting chance v nenagh and imo will win that's handy as darragh peters is main danger man with Andy leydon scoring wise and john cahalan is impressive and imperious ball winner that lords the skies but once griffin takes peters and Cashman takes cahalan they will win
Midelton got match up all wrong v nenagh , Rochwstown have brilliant management in lonergan and fahy etc and they imo will have it right for nenagh
I saw nenagh recently v limerick minors challenge and they are well coached but had two main forwards out and we're limited scoring wise
Contains the danger forward for nenagh and imo they will win and if they take on nenagh poor full back line and play Kingston inside they will get goals and imo could win this easily

On a side note I wasn't at dublin v limerick yesterday as was at cork game and I ain't super man so I couldn't be in rathkeale also but I heard a report on match from lad at it
Dublin had few regular out and we're very impressive touch wise I'm told and cunningham has clearly made inroads already and are developed a possesion type game but still in transition, thry will pose cork problems and test us in the league
Tom morrisey outstanding for limerick I heard he was brillant now and just out minor imo will be league team for limerick probably and it shows that if your performing age is irrelevant and imo Anthony Spillane year old morrisey should be starting with cork as year intermediate and under twenty one behind him

North cork star your right regards horgan, don't mind the tights that's up to him he wants with wear them that he choice and I see nothing wrong with them as scientific proven keep hamstrings warm
I've no problem even if he wants wear pink tights

What do have issue with is he's appalling attuide and kind show boating in he's like premiership soccer player strolling around thinking he's king castle with he's fancy flicks etc when he's not perform to he's talent and said it before playing him these games imo nothing for him in he think he's undroppapple and only way imo he'll improve is simply by dropping him. Take frees off him. Luke proved well able take them. Nash long distance, and tell him he's place team up for grabs
You drop him v Kilkenney and you drop him v clare
Then you play him but you make it crystal clear he's entitled off day shooting but always must work hard and get involved if doesn't he won't play
You tell him he's performance play awful and frees taken off league and will be reviewed in championship as imo he think he perform frees he's undroppapple
Cody would dropped him last year
Look at pa cronin admitted himself he's performance dropped.
Would horgan do the same??

Imo he great do media talk telling others drive on etc sorry now patrick lead by example
I'd also keep him from any interviews in must like cronin focus entirely getting he's performance Back to the top level
Lads this Is January. Summer is close , time to realise you can't turn it on then you must have work done now.
I hear ger cunningham and coughlan ruthless with dublin so far.

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-01-2015 8:28pm

Ucc should beat tralee if they want to

Ucc v cork
Morgan v cuthbhert
To be honest if ucc actually go for it but that's unknown could and would beat cork
Christ half back line was awesome on paper, Dorman, white , and clancy
Midfield today was Sean kiely and cork Gary sullivan
Half forward line was luke connelly not senior but better than Desmond imo
Conor horgan came on sub goaled
Clancy sullivan got goal
Martin was in goal
Davis corner back
Culhane and maguire kerry two fine players full back line
Subs were brian o driscoll Histon cork brilliant footballer nemo o Donovan nemo , fulnagti
Ian maguire surely come in to the starting team
Adrian Spillane kerry there as a forward also
Ucc have some panel imo and will rattle sigerson again

If ucc and I expect them beat tralee then ucc v cork, interesting ucc attuide to the game
You won't see Morgan playing half back like Dorman corner back

Anyone know Sean flynn that was a sub for tralee today what cork club he's with??
Please

ciarriaithuaidh · 11-01-2015 8:42pm

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Ucc should beat tralee if they want to

Ucc v cork
Morgan v cuthbhert
To be honest if ucc actually go for it but that's unknown could and would beat cork
Christ half back line was awesome on paper, Dorman, white , and clancy
Midfield today was Sean kiely and cork Gary sullivan
Half forward line was luke connelly not senior but better than Desmond imo
Conor horgan came on sub goaled
Clancy sullivan got goal
Martin was in goal
Davis corner back
Culhane and maguire kerry two fine players full back line
Subs were brian o driscoll Histon cork brilliant footballer nemo o Donovan nemo , fulnagti
Ian maguire surely come in to the starting team
Adrian Spillane kerry there as a forward also
Ucc have some panel imo and will rattle sigerson again

If ucc and I expect them beat tralee then ucc v cork, interesting ucc attuide to the game
You won't see Morgan playing half back like Dorman corner back

Anyone know Sean flynn that was a sub for tralee today what cork club he's with??
Please

Gary O'Sullivan, UCC midfielder is from Kerry TTM. Will be there or thereabouts with Kerry 21s this year.
The rest you are pretty much spot on with although you neglected to mention Tom Hickey from Castleisland and David Harrington from Beara (adrigole I think?) who were both very good today also.
Watching UCC in recent seasons I could never figure out why Tomas Clancy never got a real go with Cork..he's been very impressive in Sigerson last couple of years.
Surprised to see CIT lose to Waterford today..they were meant to be going well enough under Kissane. Maybe missing a few players.

CORKDOUBLE · 11-01-2015 8:50pm

TTM Red FM said this evening that Michael Cussen pulled a hamstring during the week at training ...they started him today but he pulled up again during the first half...

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-01-2015 9:01pm

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

TTM Red FM said this evening that Michael Cussen pulled a hamstring during the week at training ...they started him today but he pulled up again during the first half...

Just when I had hoped management could read a game and learned lessons, sweet lord heaven above

First all geuinely wish cussen best recovery and I hope he gets better depending what grade like one two or three could be out for bit bads news cork in cork will name him for league panel when he recover so waste more time

He was poor enough today be honest even in air
Now yes be fair we must take that in consideration he was injured

But sweet jesus what does that say management
It'd appalling in game like this thry play an injured player
Anyone with hamstrings told ice treatment and rear or you will cause more damage

This wasn't all ireland final and cork had options
Christ above you couldn't make it up
Rested gould but play injured players
Unbelievable
Serious lads I'm not being harsh but in fairness

This set up I's a joke imo absolutely a joke

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-01-2015 9:06pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Gary O'Sullivan, UCC midfielder is from Kerry TTM. Will be there or thereabouts with Kerry 21s this year.
The rest you are pretty much spot on with although you neglected to mention Tom Hickey from Castleisland and David Harrington from Beara (adrigole I think?) who were both very good today also.
Watching UCC in recent seasons I could never figure out why Tomas Clancy never got a real go with Cork..he's been very impressive in Sigerson last couple of years.
Surprised to see CIT lose to Waterford today..they were meant to be going well enough under Kissane. Maybe missing a few players.

My apologies ciarri both counts

Trying remember names saw ucc Web site
So forgot Harrington
Imo he's good but saw him challenges cork under twenty one at times and didn't impress me
Conor horgan imo better

Ucc had sullivan as cork man
While you're at it any chance you take durrant back seen your taking kerry players back :-)
What do make durrant??

See darragh kerry got hammered
I know was make shift team but still darragh as manager
Trust me better off ye lost as darragh won probably add it to he's cv
Surely some one else like jack would taken team for today game

I'd love darragh senior kerry manager being a cork man

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-01-2015 9:09pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Gary O'Sullivan, UCC midfielder is from Kerry TTM. Will be there or thereabouts with Kerry 21s this year.
The rest you are pretty much spot on with although you neglected to mention Tom Hickey from Castleisland and David Harrington from Beara (adrigole I think?) who were both very good today also.
Watching UCC in recent seasons I could never figure out why Tomas Clancy never got a real go with Cork..he's been very impressive in Sigerson last couple of years.
Surprised to see CIT lose to Waterford today..they were meant to be going well enough under Kissane. Maybe missing a few players.

Cit missing a few Vaughan been stand out
Cork under twenty one panelist two year ago mark hefferan is injured also
I don't think cit kissane had any interest as no real depth panel
Sigerson there only focus
Kissane training out this world real real coaching

thinkstoomuch1 · 11-01-2015 10:13pm

Gould was injured also and rested
Why was gould rested yet in heavy conditions and bad ground lad with hamstrings played??!! Unbelievable

Also kerrigan will be back but himself and barry o driscoll have holidays and allowed off
I'm sorry now but this is January
Both with respect hardly guarantee place start anyway I'm consistency is be improved but allow them special exemption imo not good for moral
I'm sorry but they surely had time take holiday since August

Also imo seems like last year dualism one rule one and another for others in regards commitment
Donaghey proven player got in trouble over going champions league final when with kerry

This is imo so far off professional set up

Mark Collins imo as said earlier was brillant and people criticsed him last year when I stood up him I'm he's hungry. Tough within and creative and cover ground and physically fine today huge physics challenge

Midfield tries last year and imo failed and he's better half forward come defender and better than corl m driscoll and durrant and with o rourke got start got to

Midfield huge problem in driscoll while better than cussen won't scare kerry and imo cork needs ball winners v Buckley moran maher walsh etc
I think he'll persist with collins yet collins won't win aerial ball

O donoughue was brillant physically challenge and fine high ball but turned too easily and this is heavy ground yet he's slow
He's has everything you want in football in other aera imo better centre back and be better with him there cadogan back corner

Hayes should be dropped off panel as max eoin in one game showed desire want hunger toughness hayes never has in eight years

Cork lucky riordain didn't play midfield imo

Cork imo played orthodox today and caught between blanket and open game
Cuthbhert still no idea what system he plays and we have no coach so no surprise

Cork lost great I mean great now really really great player today Jennifer o leary retired with eight all stars four all ireland
She was brillant and legend games and four hour round trip armagh cork just train, epic stuff showed want and desire she had to play for cork

Best luck to her in her retirement she should be honoured freedom cork imo as if it was a man he's get it
A true true legend wonderful player the greatest I mean greatest of the game now

sean mac · 11-01-2015 10:32pm

TTM don't put anything beyond this management team, cussen is there for the league at least. The lads think this is a tactical masterplan. They don't seem to realise that to survive in the bearpit of midfield at intercounty against fellas like maher, moran, mcauley, Gallagher and the osheas you need to be tough physically and mentally, cussen unfortunately is neither.
Besides their inability to judge a player at this level and their inability to game manage we still don't have a dedicated football coach.......you couldn't make it up, instead we have each fella doing a bit.
Odonoghue would be eaten in a full back line in the summer, cadogan will continuously run into cul de sacs at half back, leave him full and ffs give up with this nonsense of tom Clancy at 3, the man is a born centre back and was beginning to show form again this year after the Kerry debacle.
Mark Collins a fine player and despite being light is plenty tough enough but as you said a half forward and imo a good idea for sweeper as he is an excellent footpasser also.
Keeper remains a problem, he simply has no confidence in aiming the ball long and he is too easily put off doing this, mentally weak. I don't know where we are going, for relegation anyway and after that it will be a difficult summer. Dan Maceoin - superb left foot, great attitude and worth his place on the squad over any of desmond, durrant, odriscoll or hayes......
I have no fiath for the season ahead and it is simply a shame with the panel available, great to see donncha continue to show what a classy intelligent footballer he is, has anyone ever seen him miss a oenalty?

CORKDOUBLE · 11-01-2015 11:38pm

Donncha great penalty taker ....but John Hayes also scored great pressure goals from penaltys in Croke Park....v, Galway in 2005...v, Donegal in 2006 and remember the one against Kerry in 2008 when he had to wait 2 minutes before the kick was taken ....into injury time to draw that semi final ...I think it was one of the greatest pressure kicks ever taking ....about the team at the moment it looks like its the same as last season picking players all over the place ....does this man know anything about putting a settled team together ....

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-01-2015 12:57am

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Donncha great penalty taker ....but John Hayes also scored great pressure goals from penaltys in Croke Park....v, Galway in 2005...v, Donegal in 2006 and remember the one against Kerry in 2008 when he had to wait 2 minutes before the kick was taken ....into injury time to draw that semi final ...I think it was one of the greatest pressure kicks ever taking ....about the team at the moment it looks like its the same as last season picking players all over the place ....does this man know anything about putting a settled team together ....

That'd spot on
Hayes where credo due penalty taking couldn't fault him now and to be fair id have no problem him taking a penalty
He's techniques is top class and good under pressure
In play totally different though

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-01-2015 1:02am

sean mac wrote: »

TTM don't put anything beyond this management team, cussen is there for the league at least. The lads think this is a tactical masterplan. They don't seem to realise that to survive in the bearpit of midfield at intercounty against fellas like maher, moran, mcauley, Gallagher and the osheas you need to be tough physically and mentally, cussen unfortunately is neither.
Besides their inability to judge a player at this level and their inability to game manage we still don't have a dedicated football coach.......you couldn't make it up, instead we have each fella doing a bit.
Odonoghue would be eaten in a full back line in the summer, cadogan will continuously run into cul de sacs at half back, leave him full and ffs give up with this nonsense of tom Clancy at 3, the man is a born centre back and was beginning to show form again this year after the Kerry debacle.
Mark Collins a fine player and despite being light is plenty tough enough but as you said a half forward and imo a good idea for sweeper as he is an excellent footpasser also.
Keeper remains a problem, he simply has no confidence in aiming the ball long and he is too easily put off doing this, mentally weak. I don't know where we are going, for relegation anyway and after that it will be a difficult summer. Dan Maceoin - superb left foot, great attitude and worth his place on the squad over any of desmond, durrant, odriscoll or hayes......
I have no fiath for the season ahead and it is simply a shame with the panel available, great to see donncha continue to show what a classy intelligent footballer he is, has anyone ever seen him miss a oenalty?

Id agree

Doc I don't think so
Brilliant penalty taker like hayes and Cleary v dublin in 89
Doc I's like a fine red wine mature with age

He's a leader a warrior a great great I mean really really great player

He's father kerry to the bone and nice fella lucky doc played cork

Doc has want and desire be great still
Some point today we're sensational
That what cork jersey means him
On any day he will perform
Others so called stars don't do that

wackokid · 12-01-2015 1:20am

Great stuff TTM, but when did John Hayes p1ss in your cornflakes?
You seem to come the heavy on this great servant to Cork football in practically every post about Cork football.
OK, he's no Gooch, but in pure football terms he's up there with most.

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-01-2015 1:30am

wackokid wrote: »

Great stuff TTM, but when did John Hayes p1ss in your cornflakes?
You seem to come the heavy on this great servant to Cork football.

Wacko no one doubts in fairness servant he gave

But grea???

Don't think so
Look your know me I call it straight
But I was right last year said he wouldn't do and course I got usual what do have against hayes
I don't want cork go waste another year when mac eoin Hurley Colm goulding much better than him

What has hayes done I'n big games from play v kerry
Even Counihan didn't rate him that tells it own story

Today I expect him to lead from the front
He got nothing from play so it's perfectly valid criticism
I said before top coach he's make

Nothing against hayes judge him player
I said many times kissane cork was over rated player and wanted him dropped and said wouldn't do v dublin
Course usual nonsense think what you got against kissane

Yet I laud him as a coach as great great young coach

It's simple I don't do personal agenda I judge on what I see before me and on player on task in hand
I simply keep criticism hayes as he's picked
What am meant do in fairness not judge hayes today when he played bad and just ignore him
I don't cherry pick I'm sorry rating players in games
I' judge one Lad I judge all fifteen and subs be fair and equal
I did praise he's penalty taking
You judge on what you see before you

North Cork Star · 12-01-2015 2:38am

Thanks for the positive feedback on my report lads. Much appreciated. I am going to try to become more involved now as I am always an avid reader of these threads.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote:

North cork star I admire your posts greatly but lot your rating are way way too generous I don't think you actually have given any player a bad rating which imo is unrealistic. They play for cork there entitled to be judged on field of play so giving every Lad good ratings for sake of it no good going forward

TTM1, I understand where you are coming from, But at the start of every year I go to these games in the hope we might find one great player in the making. A player with a lot of potential. I try to be positive with the new players as they are adjusting to the level etc. I remember watching Harnedy just a couple of seasons ago. The first few games he looked like he wasn't up to it but JBM kept the faith and it was IMO the challenge game in Kilworth against Limerick where he put his hand up for a starting place. It does take a few games to see the real player. If they don't impress after a while, they are simply not up to it and that is fair enough but you'd never know who can make the breakthrough. When I did make my player ratings, I know no one played outstanding and I did point out a few flaws in the players performances but we will have to wait and see who can make it to the top. Will any of the new lads make it? I don't know. Hopefully. Maybe some other lads can develop at this level. Interesting times ahead!

N20 · 12-01-2015 9:39am

North Cork Star wrote: »

Thanks for the positive feedback on my report lads. Much appreciated. I am going to try to become more involved now as I am always an avid reader of these threads.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote:

North cork star I admire your posts greatly but lot your rating are way way too generous I don't think you actually have given any player a bad rating which imo is unrealistic. They play for cork there entitled to be judged on field of play so giving every Lad good ratings for sake of it no good going forward

TTM1, I understand where you are coming from, But at the start of every year I go to these games in the hope we might find one great player in the making. A player with a lot of potential. I try to be positive with the new players as they are adjusting to the level etc. I remember watching Harnedy just a couple of seasons ago. The first few games he looked like he wasn't up to it but JBM kept the faith and it was IMO the challenge game in Kilworth against Limerick where he put his hand up for a starting place. It does take a few games to see the real player. If they don't impress after a while, they are simply not up to it and that is fair enough but you'd never know who can make the breakthrough. When I did make my player ratings, I know no one played outstanding and I did point out a few flaws in the players performances but we will have to wait and see who can make it to the top. Will any of the new lads make it? I don't know. Hopefully. Maybe some other lads can develop at this level. Interesting times ahead!

Excellent - the more variety and voices the better
I look forward to your posts

N20 · 12-01-2015 10:16am

N20 wrote: »

Very disappointing result on Friday

Conditions were very difficult and the more physical side were able to deal with them better

Dayne Lee did try his utmost to bring his team into it, and the Eddie Gunning led backs tightened up second half and Thurles would only have had themselves to blame if they had lost the game

Had a levelling point gone over, unfortunately I think Thurles would have prevailed in extra time / replay ?

I've seen Dan Gunning a few times and read the incredible reviews here - he is a great prospect but he needs time to mature physically, he's tough but at the moment he's too light and too easily outmuscled by bigger lads - a point from play last 2 matches a poor return from your star forward - Now with the protection of bigger stronger lads around him in a minor set up he might thrive but I was expecting more from him on Friday

Again on Friday there was ball wasted over sideline - at times by the strong wind but the goalie sent some of his puckouts over which baffled me and it was the same in O Callaghan Cup - giving away possession needlessly

Management are being blamed big time but equally Thurles used the ball poorly in continuing to take pot shots for duration of second half which sailed wide

The betting seems to have Thurles favorites now to win it out which is probably a surprise for Ard Scoil Ris

I was told this was AGs best team for a while and they won't be as strong again next year - disappointing their run has come to an end this year

The other 3 Cork teams have fighting chances and hopefully will prevail on Wednesday

Good to see JBM giving Lee special mention in examiner today
he met him coming off pitch as well on Saturday and clearly had a word for him
It's that type of connection that inspires young lads

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