Cork GAA Discussion Thread

zetecescort

4-11 to 1-17 FT. Congrats to Rochestown, Thurles won the other semi earlier today.

Figsy32

Great win for Rochestown today. Huge heart and work rate pulled them through in the end.

The tone was set in the first second by John Cashman knocking over Ronan Lynch when he went in full forward at the throw in.

In fairness, Lynch was superb. Incredible talent, always taking up good positions and beautiful striking off both sides. He caused huge problems out the field in the first half but to be fair, although he still played well in the second half I felt Eoghan O'Brien did consistently better on him as the match went on.

Rochestown were on top for a lot of the game but spurned some good chances. In fairness to Ard Scoil they battled hard but outside of Casey (I presume that was him no.35) they didn't have enough in the forwards.

The backs were solid and worked really hard. Kelleher and Murphy were good and while Cashman didn't have his best game ever, he made a couple heroic blocks and stood up at key moments.

Must admit I was surprised by Rochestown's tactics. I couldn't really see the sense in having Cashman in full back and Griffin centre back. Both are more natural in the opposite position I would have thought.

Daniel Meaney in half forward was a strange one too. Would've thought he was taylor made to mark Lynch. Got a nice score at the end.

Man of the match from a Cork perspective for me was a toss up between Kingston and John O'Sullivan. Kingston has an amazing ability to win ball on the ground and was a constant thorn in the Ard Scoil side.

O'Sullivan was really terrific. Covered every blade of grass, picked up a mountain of breaks and used the ball extremely well. Future Cork minor type performance.

Powter in full forward made a nuisance of himself and came up with key goals.

thinkstoomuch1

Cork well beaten

Moylan great goal and Walsh impressive haughney Ellis as sub Joyce and luke o Farrell

Rest okay

Cork had under strength team so results wouldn't worry


Lynch Condon until subbed Ryan and ruche mac great game

Lot player off league panel for cork but Walsh haughney be fair looked good

Haughney I still remains convinced in dog fight but just just have him on that game

Walsh terrific attuide and caught great ball

Have him league see can hurling improve


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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cork well beaten

Moylan great goal and Walsh impressive haughney Ellis as sub Joyce and luke o Farrell

Rest okay

Cork had under strength team so results wouldn't worry


Lynch Condon until subbed Ryan and ruche mac great game

Lot player off league panel for cork but Walsh haughney be fair looked good

Haughney I still remains convinced in dog fight but just just have him on that game

Walsh terrific attuide and caught great ball

Have him league see can hurling improve


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Rebel norrie

Dissapointing result tonight. Forwards were poor. Lawton and Murray just not up to it. Haughney & Walsh were ok on midfield. Cahalane was in trouble at full back. 3 goals were all mistakes by cork players. Collins dropped a high ball for the first. Second goal limerick forward was left run 40 yards straight in on goal. Third goal again anther defensive error. Cian Mac was good again. Joyce & Ellis very good when coming on. League a different kettle of fish. Out of newcomers Walsh , Haughney , O Connor deserve League runs.

thinkstoomuch1

HALLELUJAH EPIC SENSATION MESORMIC SCINTILLATING HEROICALLY TROGIANIC WIN ROCHESTOWN Unbelievable Yes yes yes yes F###KING BRILLIANT
Huge value cork hurling can't be underestimated
HUGE
One of GREATEST I MEAN REALLY REALLY GREATEST SCHOOL'S WIN BY A CORK SCHOOL TEAMS IN HISTORY HARTY CUP
In all Ireland series even loose next day
Huge huge win

I said there was goals in rochestown GOALS WIN MATCHES
That ard scoil full back line was weak

Congratulations to all WELL DONE
First cork side since charville harty cup final, last winners mideton pebbles as Captain in 2006 but huge chance win it as thurles I expected win but suprised struggled beat Castletroy four leen men by reports
Castletroy I said matter time before beaten, scrape by ag, colman and Youghal got out of jail ran out of lives today
Only Cosgrove and Nash scored so as I said all term hold them you bear Castletroy, pity ag did not keep that in mind they would topped the group

Say it again thurles are beatable quite beatable when struggled beat poorly coached ag and limited Castletroy who has rubgy distraction, and drew west colleagues but living off over hyped taken out context win v ard scoil and they haven't improved since
Jusr one three forwards according reports play thirteen wides add in huge problems wides v ag once was accident this is imo a trend

Rochestown will win as they beat them last year and are improving every game no pressure as loose still all Ireland series
More report later but could be tomorrow evening or late tonight

TEARS JOY CORK TEAM IN HARTY cup final and this huge Significant cork hurling far far far more value then even if we won tonight waterford crystal as cork now will imo beat limerick minors and gap is closed considerably this year and today as said all year ard scoil be ultimate litmus test well they passed flying colours

One word ard scoil commiserations a really legendary great schoplease who done their school and their county and clare hugely proud last fourteen years and make no mistake there not gone they will come again as there's too many great people in hurling scene school that won't allow anything else
Today lost better team no shame in that

They however are long way off winning that coveted all Ireland dr croke cup imo now as lynch huge loss next year so they will be strong next year but imo wait quite a bit for that all Ireland title that seems to be common with limerick hurling teams
It'd end of era for them in have build again as group last few years were just sensational

Rochestown over powered them and not just physically but oceans hurling as deep as ocean blue they have given exhibition powerful hurling, christ see cork school team player that bully lads off ball is rare pleasure but they improved every game since clare game and there's more in them absolutely more in them
Win against kerry school in football frewbn cup last year against odds in corner mhuir last week they have confidence that inferior to NO ONE BUT THEY ONES CONTROL
Won't win football but they are just breed player cork needs that with few cork lads in minor set up cork minor has hurling and Warrior of brave hearts of lads of lions courage and honesty Paul o connell be proud of

Down by four, three seven times and time again ard scoil etc never lost fight what a powerhouse of a school

Champions die hard what a team christ ard scoil what a team
They refused be beaten and there credit and every one should be proud them
I said rochestown would win after hsmmies game all week and today I could just smell it in the air.
This was team anyone could do it

Final be in Cashel likely

Management got tactically spot on take a bow
I always right with management and I spot on with this set up
They tactically out witted mastermind school hurling the great great great I mean really really really great coach niall moran now
Awesmoric display tactically and could win by more
No fear of thurles none at all
Putting griffin right on gillane at centre and cashman on lynch was awesome as was like I predict meaney named at twelve starting around middle as a sweeper
Lad just back injury awesome game

Fifteen and more heroes but Epic performance from Griffiths Murphy Walsh full back line, cashman, meaney, cormack Kingston and power and Sullivan absolutely tear jerking stuff.
Kingston cormack now adding goals ti game real starter cork minor imo
Power brilliant goal two also

Awesome
Two songs are appropriate for today
Fields of gold and version by eve cassidy or sting and it's a beautiful day by BONO
Rebel ABU.

Changing of the guard defiantly
Cork flying in mubstee b competition and c also senior and dominated the under sixteen in a b c and got final of the d competition

AWESMORIC

thinkstoomuch1

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Dissapointing result tonight. Forwards were poor. Lawton and Murray just not up to it. Haughney & Walsh were ok on midfield. Cahalane was in trouble at full back. 3 goals were all mistakes by cork players. Collins dropped a high ball for the first. Second goal limerick forward was left run 40 yards straight in on goal. Third goal again anther defensive error. Cian Mac was good again. Joyce & Ellis very good when coming on. League a different kettle of fish. Out of newcomers Walsh , Haughney , O Connor deserve League runs.

I'd agree lawton bar flashy point like Murray poor

Collins fault one goal buy made great save also punk outs goof

Cahalane good but no support

O Connor got badly beaten as did Murray lawton

Luke tried hard horgan brilliant point as sun missed goal

Harnedy very good sub

Haughney be fair impressive

Walsh has raw potential

Good see landers take lead coaching tbght with roaring instructions

Sullivan good as sub

Brian tried but not goof at half back

Cork had no interest imo as waited half time to sub people

CORKDOUBLE

Did Cian McCarthy score 4 or 5 points from play....losing tonight might be better than winning , now they have to name there panel after the challenge against Wexford tommorow...

thinkstoomuch1

Cisn was okay yeah but even one point far side line running for ball took ages get it
When he did he was met be defence fair play he did turn inside and got point but in summer he will struggle

Ellis made huge impact when on shoulder a forward out way in side line and even in stand I coujd hear the thudder

Will start v Kilrenny



Has improved no end it actually unbelievable how good he became fair play


Downing had good game limerick

Niall moran was taken off

CORKDOUBLE

Andy Walsh of Killeagh what age is he ...i think he was a sub with the u21s a few years ago ...cant remember what year...

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Andy Walsh of Killeagh what age is he ...i think he was a sub with the u21s a few years ago ...cant remember what year...

I'm not sure but over twenty five I'd guess and I doubt may be wrong dont think he over thirty

Played well deserved league panel place

Kearney poor and breen destroyed him

Cahalane good on Dowling but no corner back cover

O donoughge tried hard but oit position won't make cut but huge future ahead and cork under twenty one panel football and hurling

Sullivan poor
Lorchan fault o mahogany goal and needs tighten up but sweeper lot ball

O Connor struggled for pace has everything else imo can't make league

Haughney showed bite in hurling and two nice points
I give him league panel start him v kilkenny good test

Walsh terrific worker and caught lots ball deserves spot see cab hurling sharpen up as ahead lawton Murray imo

Unlikely start ahead aidan or Kearney though or o shea but aidan Walsh injured he offer physical present


Murray was poor

Cian was good but always is in these games

Lawton very poor, Condon got two points

Moylan fine goal needs do more nut worked hard but got little ball

Luke was up against best full back now in the game

He worked hard and made goal and got point he deserves start v kilkenny but better beside target man

Mccarthy as said previously would not be senior elite standard but sub keeper yes


He tried hard but was well beaten
This like said day one experiment failed



Collins fault goal but good game after and he'll have better days and he day will come cork senior no doubt

Mccarthy be sub keeper

Imo spillane, Bartry, Walsh, Haughney, lee all deserves make league panel


Murray lawton o Connor cian Mccarthy will Kearney don't

It'd tough yes make decisions but as johnny crowley said during week tough call have ti be made

thinkstoomuch1

Great news for richestown is that kilkenny cbs and Kieran played in semi in leinster today with Kieran winning so kilkenny are out all Ireland series

Kieran reading kilkenny thread have strong team with few minors and good counsel probably be all Ireland series and there fine school but imo richestown win munster they shouldn't fear any one and hopefully Kieran win leinster so if meet avoid each other til all Ireland final lot hurling played yet


Yes must respect thurles but imo they have more scoring and fine management and will win and Butler is thurles maim danger man

Longeran will know all bout thurles being a tipperary man


I think what ever happens the rest of the weekend they have be imo cork gaa success story weekend in they done cork hurling under age huge huge favour today and double edged sword bonus cork but ended limerick dominance at this level

Mideton dean Ryan holders
Harty cup be nice also

Cork will won b competition also imo likely old christian

Munster c they have a chance also


John Sullivan has to imo after today at least played himself on extended panel very least


Griffin cashman Kingston all starters
Cormac has scored from play what lacked in December so imo in pole spot start

Power was great but I feel cork better forwards but still he would not let side down

Cork have abundance forward minor this year

I said mid week April can't come fast enough after today I wish the game was tomorrow's

Even with any injuries cork have huge depth this year with subs as good lads starting in most cases

Tipp and kilkenny only team I fear but if this cork team get croke park there lots more in them imo

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Did Cian McCarthy score 4 or 5 points from play....losing tonight might be better than winning , now they have to name there panel after the challenge against Wexford tommorow...

Wexford game next weekend ideal in run out regular before valentines date with the great romantic kilkenny

Wexford game was cancelled and correctly so
Panel being picked this week so tonight was last chance for some

I think cork under twenty ones by way won challenge match today also I heard you may want know

thinkstoomuch1

Great news for richestown is good counsel play Kieran the all Ireland champions next week in a semi and one those will be knocked out of the all Ireland series


Carlow and st Peter Wexford other semi


If rochestown win munster likely play Galway team or looses of leinster so seem be winner of carlow team or peters Wexford and It would seem imo there beatable

Obviously thurles if loose are in the back door still

But rochestown imo if win munster huge huge chance to make the all Ireland final

Scarecrow 2

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Andy Walsh of Killeagh what age is he ...i think he was a sub with the u21s a few years ago ...cant remember what year...

I remember him starting corner forward vs tipperary in thurles at U21 level about 2009/10

Scarecrow 2

Johnny crowleys interview on the examiner yesterday disappointed me. He was not even at the Clare match last week or other games and they way he spoke you'd swear he was. Goes to show you can't bekeive anything you read on paper. Johnny would of being as well off to decline the request of interview and instead let someone who has being at all the interviews take his place.

thinkstoomuch1

When is the exact date for harty final and venue anyone know please??
Denis your normally on the ball with this stuff

Any idea?

thinkstoomuch1

Scarecrow 2 wrote: »

I remember him starting corner forward vs tipperary in thurles at U21 level about 2009/10

I was told today he's twenty seven
Never with minors just under twenty one
He'll make the league panel cut off I think as jbm never took him or haughney off
The key would be how one then do along side Kearney or Walsh so they should get chance and see

Haughney if he matches attuide he has plenty hurling
Kilkenny is best test for him start him with Walsh and Kearney have ready and waiting as a sub if needs be

thinkstoomuch1

We have seen the harty cup reach the final stage now like most competition, so who would people go for in the minors as of now for limerick game??

I'd go for
Dalton
Smith
Griffin
Hennessy
Cashman
O leary
Darragh o brien
Donal English but john Sullivan has really put himself imo contention for this

Shane Kingston could play midfield no problem at all
Cormack
O mahony
Flynn
Looney
Halloron
Gunning

Very hard team to pick but it has hurling, pace, dogmatic warrior and leaders and winners in that team and imo would beat limerick
Obviously form could change it again
That team I hope for a dry day as limerick won't be able for them but a wet day they would win also
The key yesterday was likes mackey, grimes, houinhsn, Casey were all well contained yesterday so as good as they are cork have the players to contain them
It be tough game yes but cork imo are in the perfect place now

Winning against thurles is key in gives them great chance easier route to all Ireland final however loosing still won't affect too much cork set up in beat limerick which was key and in harty this year cork schools won two duels with limerick schools with ag beating doon and yesterday win

Lost four but those three Youghal should beaten Castletroy but for the late smash and grab, better coaching would got ag win over Castletroy both lost by a point
Colman young team with no cork minor came within crossbar drawing their game making the quatre finals
Ard scoil were the only game imo that they beat hammies that a limerick team were the better team against a cork team and a higher standard and deserved the win imo
You could not fault Hammies as they had a superb tournament and gave it everything

The key is imo the gap has closed though considerably and yesterday richestown beat limerick best and elite team and it was only cork school bar ag and mideton where you had a lot of cork present and past minors that could face limerick team with lot of Intercounty players
Mideton and ag never had chance to play them this year to see what cork best Intercounty wise would do against them

Richestown with likes griffin, cashman, Kingston, cormack ans last year minor course Daniel meaney they had Intercounty experience or soon to become that plus likes power with the cork minor football so they had big big game changers you need at this level.

Rochestown have great chance of the harty cup and geuine realistic chance of an all ireland imo looking at the possible teams left as they tick all four boxes required, good coaching, talented players, but have big name game changer in that set up, and between football and hurling down the years have beaten big names so they have confidence in their own ability
Kieran naturally are the teams to beat as they on last year have few available and there strong physical team with as any kilkenny team has and abundance of hurling
I'd presume ger flood still up there and involved team he's a strength conditions coach and tio quality so kilkenny boys upper body strength be ideal test for rochestown
I'm not too sure regards Galway schools but imo good counsel or Kieran meet next week in the semi would be biggest dangers for two munster teams left
One thing is Kieran have a traditional and good counsel too in winning success and good counsel won all Ireland under sixteen football beating richestown last year and hurling beating mideton would I think have few likes sinnot, tomas o Connor, Richard hennessy so they will be strong
Next year is probably the year though thar good counsel be better chance winning leinster
I'd be hoping from cork view point good counsel win Saturday bear Kieran but at the same time as it's been so long since cork school bar last year under sixteen all Ireland final met kilkenny senior school in hurling or minor I'd one way like Kieran meet them see how cork school done and is there any difference between there best and our best as it is only by playing the best do you know if you can become the best

The rock two years ago said that in he's day the harty cup where he played as a half forward for mideton cbs it was a tougher standard than minor
The level preparation now days and the pace I'd say harty cup is at least level in most games yes not all with minor inter county

This is great sign for cork minor hurling this year
I always said it even last year in the dark days and year before regards under age, the talent is and always will be in cork football and hurling that won't change
Cork have the sports people in any sport to compete with the best
All it needs is good coaching and to be developed and for that you need resources as will has always been there with volunteers but you support that with money, and if you do it now it won't actually cost thar much cork will thrive at both codes as there's enough talent to satisfy both imo that one is not seen as superior to the next

I'm against view cork should be seen as hurling county
Course hurling is king with all Ireland but football haa actually held its own or topped roll honour in all other three county grades bar senior with just seven all Ireland
Cork should be seen not as a hurling county but the best gaa county around and imo must thrive for thar perfection
Of course thar will take a change of attuide and also will course take a lot of time but if it happened it would truly be worth the wait

Once that's done there is no limit to what success in hurling and football can be achieved imo

Yesterday victory is still just unbelievable absolutely unbelievable in context of cork hurling as this is one step in solving problems from bottom up rather than relying on we are cork mushrooms theory
This win didn't just happen as a one off it happened for a reason though hard hard work and progression
Rochestown last year beaten doon in close game with lot injuries bur they learned so much in that defeat and just second year truly amazing outstanding there in a harty cup final

Good coaching proves king again and it's good for the likes of Douglas ans Blackrock and Carrigaline also
Young talent that the rookies have is unbelievable and not case imo if they win senior county with Eddie Murphy the only question like mideton with Wallis is when,???

Good news cork hurling from grass roots up so far this year, rookies and mideton appointment good coached so sarsfields won't be winning senior next year thankfully
The appointment of hartnett as minor selector
The outstanding under sixteen mubstee success of Midleton, rochestown, again, mtichewltown who went close mubstee c senior quatre final, the reaching of the d final and so far at least likely too senior cork school in a and b final munster

The leaving Wallis from limerick that will weaken limerick and strengthen cork ans likely he'll be involved in cork under age pretty soon in the future I would guess
Cork senior hurling panel seems be strong this year with more competition but when league panel is announced tomorrow or Tuesday we will know more

The intermediate all Ireland last year winning team and Dean Ryan and all Ireland final from mideton
After five long painful years finally a competent under twenty management team for cork hurling

Landers so far seem good choice in the senior
There lot work to do but at least progress is been made
The investment must continue and referring in cork has to be sorted out with the dismal club standards and when cork coaching jobs come up they must be appointed in proven success
The under twenty one credit due was good choice but the intermediate manager again showed how ccb make poor choices also

Again win yesterday was greater significant to cork hurling than waterford crystal as this was vital to cork hurling absolutely vital and cannot be underestimated and I hope cork as a county, North south east and west pull and join unites together and support rochestown in Feb twenty ist in harty cup final and I'm hoping few ex cork greats support them from all over
Likes Jim cashman will be there with John playing

The hype will obviously be a factor but richestown having been under sixteen all Ireland football few these lads will be used to it
I think after yesterday win only right absolutely media give these lads huge glowing tribute and as they didn't beat any old school they beat the powerhouse the kings ard scoil and they actually blew them away in truth

The key will be a balanced approach though and don't do limerick leader last year I'm build up minors with like a twenty eight page supplements out the Friday before the all Ireland final
YES TWENTY EIGHT PAGE SUPPLEMENT
Twas unbelievable but only for it being limerick as you expect that with them, comes with the territory

The senior all Ireland preview for kilkenny they had a twenty page supplements
For a semi final only kilkenny must have been laughing at it
They never learn though
Twenty page pull out for a senior game yet weeks later they go eight pages more for a minor final
It was imo a bit much
Ten pages would have done ot a bit more
They never learn imo

This victory and harty final appearance has ti be recognised simply has to,over the famine we had but once kept in perspective it's fine
It's fine to raise any expectation of a team after a win and yesterday justify that
I think they should beat thurles as on paper stronger team and results show they have been the most consistent team in the harty cup
They of course have ti turn up on the day

Like limerick last year I expected them beat cork as they were just better team
That's not over hyping then nut realistic assement imo

Overhyped is twenty eight page pull out
Cork should be sensible and let's not become the Limerick equivalent when it comes to hype and learn from their mistake
It's natural yesterday win is going release lot joy and emotions, I feel it myself but last thing they need is be In media too much

Again well done to all and a thank you to everyone of them involved on field play and behind the scenes
Whatever happens here on they have done cork hurling proud

littlemouse22

Anywhere broadcasting the Dub v Cork match this afternoon?

Figsy32

littlemouse22 wrote: »

Anywhere broadcasting the Dub v Cork match this afternoon?

Deferred coverage on TG4 after the Kerry game.

littlemouse22

Figsy32 wrote: »

Deferred coverage on TG4 after the Kerry game.

Ridiculous. Is there no where you can stream the full match live?

wackokid

littlemouse22 wrote: »

Ridiculous. Is there no where you can stream the full match live?

You can listen to Paudie here trying to pretend he's upset at Cork's demise
http://c103.ie/boxtube?region=north

Smith614

Goals are vital in hurling as as predicted Friday the school which got the goals would win. Fair play Rocco on a fab. Performance. There was some real heroic performances from their usual big guns but jez every lad from Rocco really stood up to the plate. It will take a good team to beat them. They have steel and metal to go with great hurling and hurlers.

The White Feather

Great win for Cork!!!

Cork 1-15 Dublin 0-16 FT

commonsense.

Smith614 wrote:

Goals are vital in hurling as as predicted Friday the school which got the goals would win. Fair play Rocco on a fab. Performance. There was some real heroic performances from their usual big guns but jez every lad from Rocco really stood up to the plate. It will take a good team to beat them. They have steel and metal to go with great hurling and hurlers.

Yeah, great win for Roco. Leaders in every line. Mind you ard scoil were a little (a lot??)arrogant in putting ronan lynch in full forward at the start. Obviously thought they would blitz roco with an early flurry of scores. They soon realised the error of their ways and once he moved to midfield he changed the dynamic. Also no brownie points for ard scoil in fluting around with jersey numbers. Giving Peter Casey no 35 and giving his 13 jersey to eoin ryan was designed to throw roco. Silly stuff from niall moran. Better team on the day won, no question. 17 points to 11 might suggest ard scoil were unlucky but roco had 16 wides to ard scoils 8. Margin of victory could have been higher if they had their shooting boots on. Cashman set the tone with an introductory shoulder on ronan lynch as lynch was taking up the full forward position before throw in. Lynch was unsettled as a result(made a half hearted attempt to win the first ball that came between cashman and himself) and was never likely to make any impact on cashman after. Griffin inspirational again and has moved into pole position for cork minors given ian cahills departure. John o sullivan my man of the match. His point when he pick pocketed ronan lynch was sublime. Powter is proving a revelation. Tormented the full back line all day. Funnily enough kingston and cormack were quiet by their standards and yet got the crucial goals that killed off ard scoil. Their work rate when things weren't going their way (best evidenced by cormacks ridiculous turnover for powters first goal) is indicative of the spirit within this group. Thurles' challenge in the final will be how to set themselves up to counter the triple threat of kingston/cormack/powter. Thurles have reached the final by struggling over the line in both quarter and semi finals. Ideal way to be heading into three weeks preperation for the final. Roco will have to be vary wary and will need another huge performance if they are to win.

case885

Just watching the game now on tg4, Fintan Gould had some awful misses about 20 yards out.

The White Feather

case885 wrote: »

Just watching the game now on tg4, Fintan Gould had some awful misses about 20 yards out.

Yeah he missed a few easy ones that you would expect him to get.

Cork also went 11 mins without scoring in the first half which we cannot afford to do in the Championship games.

solwhit12

Great win even though it's only the league they are not as bad as people think and I hope cuthbert gets praised today instead of the of the usual abuse he gets.

thinkstoomuch1

Vital two points which is crucial to avoiding relegation
Mayo beating kerry bad news I'n mayo have two points but kerry will come cork likely need win so not all rosy yet

This was good win but must be taken in context
Dublin strong but not strongest team by large.
Halloron saved the day with two great saves,and one vital interception goal , he's kick outs are criticism time and time again but I always said should not be dropped as best shot stopper cork have
Hsnahran was poor cit other day apparently shot stopping
He kick outs poor at times but went short as cork don't have midfield options
He still needs a midfield as if I was him I have zero confidence with options he has


The cork team started was stronger in sense blanket in dorman and o rourke both played but let's not forget both late addition due to injury
O rourke in particular I said haa start cork and he was outstanding got two points colm driscoll didn't
He worked socks off and driscoll did but when doc Kelly are fit problem is who starts??
O rourke imo all the way I'm he is top class creative everything you want in player he dogmatic and creative so has start ahead colm next day when have choose
Dorman was immense and management credo due learned lessons don't play him as corner back but like Morgan play as half back
Christ he's awesome

Clancy was full back trouble at times and imo can't start there again

Loughrey was beaten on turn and while won ball and great bunch players he must be not corner back against likes o donoughge etc
Mcbrnmon turned him time and again on a small ptich


Sullivan was good at corner back and much better there but this wasn't choice but forced change
Surely was injured as was okay up then

Dorman awesmoric, he's defends better here and counter attacking is brilliant and must play half back and now wonder Morgan rates him highly

Cadogan was good defender, and better when drop full back line but not centre back too slow at times release ball yes got superb pint late on but truth be told overall centre back imo not beat position
Should be cork full back though
As got turned over badly for one chance Dublin could goaled


Brian driscoll brilliant game and imo one outstanding talent in cork football and under twenty one this year and links play brilliant

Maguire good game but no support but didn't really dominated aerial ball

Gould poor midfield and wasted away at least three points and awful kick passing
Due forced change he went back centre back where he was good defending

But???

Is he best half back available I'm cork no
Today he proved he is not a midfielder and not a forward either as he's shooting is hot and cold
Poor in midfield but when went back was good
He was brave defending yeas but against Tyrone last year was same such management have given him huge credit and I did myself
However in croke park v dubs he didn't perform or kerry


The cork selection can't be over looked in this win as the lack of corner backs nearly haunted us today and I can't see why o donoughge was not put half back for Sullivan rather move gould back and then Collins to midfield and then kerrigan to Collins place

Collins superb game but midfield was poor but as sweeper counter back awesome and I always felt this best position

Colm driscoll ran socks off, worked hard done this last year in league but found out in championship summer so imo not senior elite standard as when Kelly kerrigan doc come back fully fit or likes of half backs also free Brian driscoll up as a half forward role then imo much better creative while as good as defending as colm


O rourke was sensational, back tracking and turning over ball and attacking with ptwo superb points

Colm was brilliant from placed ball and got two great scores but didn't like hurley get enough ball

Hurley was brilliant work ethic, and winning he's own ball but again he didn't get enough fast ball to score

Hodnett was doing well until taken off I presume was injured


Subs

Kerrigan done okay when introduced
Hayes can't understand why he was brought on

The panel has to have better balance imo the next day and has have cover corner backs wise and imo shows they didn't use cussen when could have off free gould up for half back even so imo don't rate him now and correctly so but imo shouldn't be league panel then and huge worries are still at midfield going forward


Today showed cork can't win any ball goes fifty fifty to midfield but teams will no doubt watch this and realise that a high end press needed fast on cork kick outs and they will do this and unlike Dublin allowed cork do it

If that happens cork kick long there I'm trouble


I was suprised Dublin who are excellent at this and done it league semi final didn't do this as mayo proved in the all Ireland semi final that do this cork you will win


Vital two points what is a difficult away trip next week

The key was avoid relegation and fix problem last year

Today imo showed that were almost half way to avoiding relegation so good news

However the midfield and lack natural corner back are a huge problem as again by seeing of selection man management in games in today solve one problem at corner back they moved half forward to midfield midfield to half back half back corner

You have depth and natural replacement you avoid musical chairs imo
The subs today had three natural half backs one midfielder and rest forwards
They have to learn from this the next day

Dublin young guns some done themselves no favours as I'm sure Gavin will lot young guns will be ruthless where necessary

Tougher tests await up the north, and this was win but surely last year thought us to look at each game at face value and not let any wins hide over any flaws in the performance and worry I have is management will read too much in ti some performance without realising this was under strength Dublin what normally field and cork had eleven team played mayo last year but cork still only won at gone by two
Today was improvement on waterford In intensity and commitment wise but imo still huge aera concerns in the team imo
Cork forwards better on paper yet got just six points play In game
Dublin got ten missing likes flynn and brogan etc as Dublin seemed more fluent and had more possession

thinkstoomuch1

commonsense. wrote: »

Yeah, great win for Roco. Leaders in every line. Mind you ard scoil were a little (a lot??)arrogant in putting ronan lynch in full forward at the start. Obviously thought they would blitz roco with an early flurry of scores. They soon realised the error of their ways and once he moved to midfield he changed the dynamic. Also no brownie points for ard scoil in fluting around with jersey numbers. Giving Peter Casey no 35 and giving his 13 jersey to eoin ryan was designed to throw roco. Silly stuff from niall moran. Better team on the day won, no question. 17 points to 11 might suggest ard scoil were unlucky but roco had 16 wides to ard scoils 8. Margin of victory could have been higher if they had their shooting boots on. Cashman set the tone with an introductory shoulder on ronan lynch as lynch was taking up the full forward position before throw in. Lynch was unsettled as a result(made a half hearted attempt to win the first ball that came between cashman and himself) and was never likely to make any impact on cashman after. Griffin inspirational again and has moved into pole position for cork minors given ian cahills departure. John o sullivan my man of the match. His point when he pick pocketed ronan lynch was sublime. Powter is proving a revelation. Tormented the full back line all day. Funnily enough kingston and cormack were quiet by their standards and yet got the crucial goals that killed off ard scoil. Their work rate when things weren't going their way (best evidenced by cormacks ridiculous turnover for powters first goal) is indicative of the spirit within this group. Thurles' challenge in the final will be how to set themselves up to counter the triple threat of kingston/cormack/powter. Thurles have reached the final by struggling over the line in both quarter and semi finals. Ideal way to be heading into three weeks preperation for the final. Roco will have to be vary wary and will need another huge performance if they are to win.

would agree wit point bad semi final and good final is better than a good semi and bad final and you worry has a team peaked etc

However if you get two sub par performance like thurles and throw I'm draw with west limerick that's three games where they have struggled and yes they drew one and won two but it means problems in team are not being identified by management or else they don't have solution available to fix them and matter time before well coaches team exposes weak areas


Take Castletroy as an example they could said that colman and ag and Youghal results they were playing bad but more to come

When yesterday proved they just ran out of luck and problems that surfaces two previous games were never solved


Imo thurles have same problem and yes it will be a close game but unless richestown don't perform they will loose but imo too well coached with too many big game changers for that to happen

homeofhurling

they made you eat your words today thinkstoomuch1 after your post after the McGrath cup defeat, but sure it's 30 years since the Dubs won there Cork have some of the best forwards in the game and thats what will keep them in division 1 if they could get a good midfielder and two good backs they are a match for any team, and in my opinion should have beaten Mayo last year in croke park, they are not that far off.

thinkstoomuch1

Smith614 wrote: »

Goals are vital in hurling as as predicted Friday the school which got the goals would win. Fair play Rocco on a fab. Performance. There was some real heroic performances from their usual big guns but jez every lad from Rocco really stood up to the plate. It will take a good team to beat them. They have steel and metal to go with great hurling and hurlers.

Do you think they can win harty and series geuine challengers for the croke cup?

Would you bring Sullivan in to the minors for cork and start him?

rebelomar

Good win...lots to work on though.

For a start management need to nail down some of our players best positions, particularly in the back 6 positions. We need to let guys play their natural positions and refine the blanket around that.

Couple of small things annoyed me.

1: Hurley an unbelievable talent but his decision making leaves him down, he shoots too often when he's in a poor position instead of giving a simple pass. Hopefully he will improve over time.

2: in the last couple of minutes while two points up we had good secure possession and kicked it away while in complete control of the ball. We need to simply hold onto it if such a situation arises again.

Overall though a decent start. First twenty mins I felt we were poor. Too slow moving the ball outta defense.

Second half this improved. Also we need to cut out fouling in our own 45. This renders the blanket pointless if we give away cheap frees.

Effort and commitment was top class by all. A huge positive

ShamoBuc

Delighted with the win. Didn't see it coming. Thought our defence got themselves into trouble at times but a few good saves meant we were not punished. Our forwards need more supply and Dublin were not as good as I thought they would be.
We badly needed this win as I believe we still have an uphill battle regarding relegation. I can't see us getting much from most of our away games, but that's for another day.

thinkstoomuch1

homeofhurling wrote: »

they made you eat your words today thinkstoomuch1 after your post after the McGrath cup defeat, but sure it's 30 years since the Dubs won there Cork have some of the best forwards in the game and thats what will keep them in division 1 if they could get a good midfielder and two good backs they are a match for any team, and in my opinion should have beaten Mayo last year in croke park, they are not that far off.

Calm down with few deep breath there

They didn't male me eat any words old chap

You do know we bear Dublin last year and still suffered huge defeats I'm championship


Some best forward yes in the game but six points from play show we huge issues at midfield

Now enlighten me have cork solved this? No

Do cork have plan solve this,? No

As Collins seen as midfielder and haven posters here say they don't rate him as midfielder
All we have left on bench is cussen and gould proved not a midfielder

Two best midfielder I'm cork aren't on the panel
We actually have corner backs but there not on panel and defender like loughrey and Clancy played out position

You see unlike you I have logical thinking that like last year was one swallow never made summer and I won't run hare chase with hound on one win against under strength Dublin at home

Waterford game was appalling and I'n fact you I hope will acknowledge I was right as you do realise durrant Hodnett Desmond were no where this level like I said and dropped it seems off the panel

Home advantage and big crowd great see cork today and it helped
Next week up north tough test


Should have could have, don't talk monense
Go to don't foul. Com look at stats or ask any logical fan mayo were much better team v cork and took gas off and then cork had come back but mayo upped intensity and won and deserved to win

Lads like yourself truly amaze me say nothing all year when results are dire yet one win you get excited


Shows attuide served cork football so well down the years

The way you phrase it, cork need two backs and midfield, it not like going to shop and buying loaf of bread and cartoon milk jusr pick it off the shelf


You I'n elite football need to identify these talents and play them and develop them game after game

At moment cork league panel shows cork bar maguire have no midfield options
I suggest go for a cold shower, rewatch match twas on tg four I think

Watch how many clean aerial balls cork won at midfield, very little
Now you identity cork need midfield
But tell me this who picks midfield??

The manager so if midfield isn't solved then it's blame manager
Any cork fan would say midfield on today performance far from fixes
When it is and cork beat kerry or top four team in championship then I'll eat my words
Hope your okay with that

And I did when saw Dublin team say strong but not strongest and they would and did win midfield
I said cork could beat then if changes were made and they were but only at throw in to injury in o rourke who I advocates to start did start abs Sullivan actually went back corner back over Clancy injured
I wouldn't be saying management turned huge corners just yet

thinkstoomuch1

rebelomar wrote: »

Good win...lots to work on though.

For a start management need to nail down some of our players best positions, particularly in the back 6 positions. We need to let guys play their natural positions and refine the blanket around that.

Couple of small things annoyed me.

1: Hurley an unbelievable talent but his decision making leaves him down, he shoots too often when he's in a poor position instead of giving a simple pass. Hopefully he will improve over time.

2: in the last couple of minutes while two points up we had good secure possession and kicked it away while in complete control of the ball. We need to simply hold onto it if such a situation arises again.

Overall though a decent start. First twenty mins I felt we were poor. Too slow moving the ball outta defense.

Second half this improved. Also we need to cut out fouling in our own 45. This renders the blanket pointless if we give away cheap frees.

Effort and commitment was top class by all. A huge positive

I'd agree with that but hurley can only improve with good coaching

Who is coach?
Cuthbhert so time will tell

The huge worry today was midfield we bypassed it yes but I can guarantee you Dublin and kerry know this going forward and today where didn't foul much if needs be will foul cork high end up ptich to slow down counter attacks if necessary
No McCauley yet won midfield battle and even suprised took off Mccarthy
Midfield has huge problem still
Last year I highlighted this nobody here seem to agree
It's clear as day midfield is huge huge problem
Solved that you give forward possession and take pressure off your backs
No sign thar solving one game in and looking at the bench

thinkstoomuch1

In one sentence huge worry I have today is teams even without midfield will say all we need is high press upfield beat cork
If cluxton was goals Dublin would went long more so
And flynn would attack cork short kick outs
Dublin while winning midfield battle showed today were transition and imo didn't seem bothered results in they seemed trying out different scenario like short kick outs themselves as a plan b beat donegal kerry blanket down line and trying keep ball rather all out counter so important cork realise this today

sean mac

Ttm i agree about midfield however an even bigger issue is ohallorhans kickouts,ge gas no distance and has no confidence going ling,the pressure on tiring backs to win a shirt kickout and turn ut into an attack is too much all the time.Could you imagine what a team like donegal would do to us?1 long kick out in2nd half and he didnt reach 45,criminal at this level. Imo maguire is corks only real midfielder atthis level and thats huge pressure on a young fella.
However great effort from team and good spirit shown,they gad to win and did;flanagan has them in top shape

thinkstoomuch1

homeofhurling wrote: »

this is a crazy result i know its only january and Mcgrath cup but with corks record over the last few years at under 21 where are all them gone. no disrepect to waterford but i' would bet the kerry under 21's would have got a result today again waterford, but fair play to them i'd say its between them and offaly for division 4 this year. as for cork if this doesn't give the cork county board a wake up call nothing will.

Sunshine practice what you preach please before your kind enough to pass judgement I'n future

Thanks
You change views games on games fair play you belive In that
I like have a constant view
Long way go before we say cork turned a corner

rebelomar

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree with that but hurley can only improve with good coaching

Who is coach?
Cuthbhert so time will tell

The huge worry today was midfield we bypassed it yes but I can guarantee you Dublin and kerry know this going forward and today where didn't foul much if needs be will foul cork high end up ptich to slow down counter attacks if necessary
No McCauley yet won midfield battle and even suprised took off Mccarthy
Midfield has huge problem still
Last year I highlighted this nobody here seem to agree
It's clear as day midfield is huge huge problem
Solved that you give forward possession and take pressure off your backs
No sign thar solving one game in and looking at the bench

Maguire did carry a lot of ball today and I felt did ok. He will in my opinion be a brilliant player in time. Goold kicked a few poor wides which of he got we'd have said he did well.

However in the primary duty of winning possession yes both look a good bit off the top guys at this level.

Imo it's up to management to counter this by coming up with a plan to almost bypass midfield in terms of short kick outs, hitting them on the run like Cluxton does...putting it into space. Whether or not our keeper can do this I'm not sure.

Or is there any guy out there with the potential to improve the midfield we are not seeing at the moment?

thinkstoomuch1

rebelomar wrote: »

Maguire did carry a lot of ball today and I felt did ok. He will in my opinion be a brilliant player in time. Goold kicked a few poor wides which of he got we'd have said he did well.

However in the primary duty of winning possession yes both look a good bit off the top guys at this level.

Imo it's up to management to counter this by coming up with a plan to almost bypass midfield in terms of short kick outs, hitting them on the run like Cluxton does...putting it into space. Whether or not our keeper can do this I'm not sure.

Or is there any guy out there with the potential to improve the midfield we are not seeing at the moment?

There are three

Dinnen refused join this year after last year

Leary is not rated

Deane is injured but manager doesn't seem rate then either

This short kick out won't work when opponents high press and then choose go long their kick outs
Donegal monaghan high press so cork have concerns

zetecescort

good win but look who Dublin had out, 4 or 5 starters come the summer and didn't bring on any big names either while we had 11 or 12 and brought on Kerrigan.

Whats the story with our setup on Dublins kickouts. contested only 2 or 3 in the full game. have any sort of system what you want but giving your opponents uncontested possession in the middle of the pitch every time they restart a game is woeful imo.

leaf123

Great win for Roco yesterday, well deserved .Kingston and Cormack didnt have their best game but were always a threat.John o Sullivan from blackrock was outstanding and the point when he picked pocketed the ASR player along the sideline was simply unreal.he was my motm. Powter was frighting , his pace and unbelievable is amazing ,his was a threat through out and last week he kept Roco in the Corn Ni mhuiri with a last minute block. Eoghan O Brien did ok on Lynch however it is hard to keep such a player quiet.Putting lynch in full forward didnt work and they soon realised it was a terrible decision as roco went 0-6 0-1 up.Overall it is great achievement for roco for getting this far only in their second year playing Harty and i hope they go all the way

wackokid

Anybody who saw D.Og Hodnett doing well today needs glasses. John Hayes played more intelligent football while he was on the field than most, and IMHO is at worst a great sub to have when opposition is tiring. Easy on the eye with the ball in his hands. He doesn't drop it either like some we could name, and if I hear you knocking my favourite player again TTM, I'll find you and strangle you..................lol
D.Og is far too cumbersome and lazy for intercounty senior football and is unlikely to make it.
That Dublin team today was really not the Dublin team we know, but nevertheless Cork were decent and defended well apart from Lougherey who hasn't a clue about corner back play.
Gould is a half back and should be forbidden to shoot for goal under pain of being sent to the ISIS crowd. Holy Jasus those misses today were even worse than his howler v Mayo a few years ago.
Final comment.......the event in Killarney was clearly played under a different set of rules to the event in Cork and if anybody can differentiate between the stuff that went on in Killarney under Mr Deegan and Rugby League, please let me know. Hickey has is own rules too BTW and a few of his decisions today mystify.
Cubby seems to have adopted the Donegal system and Colm O Driscoll fits that system perfectly. Just my opinion of course and no doubt not universally accepted by other 'experts' here.

thinkstoomuch1

wackokid wrote: »

Anybody who saw D.Og Hodnett doing well today needs glasses. John Hayes played more intelligent football while he was on the field than most, and IMHO is at worst a great sub to have when opposition is tiring. Easy on the eye with the ball in his hands. He doesn't drop it either like some we could name, and if I hear you knocking my favourite player again TTM, I'll find you and strangle you..................lol
D.Og is far too cumbersome and lazy for intercounty senior football and is unlikely to make it.
That Dublin team today was really not the Dublin team we know, but nevertheless Cork were decent and defended well apart from Lougherey who hasn't a clue about corner back play.
Gould is a half back and should be forbidden to shoot for goal under pain of being sent to the ISIS crowd. Holy Jasus those misses today were even worse than his howler v Mayo a few years ago.
Final comment.......the event in Killarney was clearly played under a different set of rules to the event in Cork and if anybody can differentiate between the stuff that went on in Killarney under Mr Deegan and Rugby League, please let me know. Hickey has is own rules too BTW and a few of his decisions today mystify.
Cubby seems to have adopted the Donegal system and Colm O Driscoll fits that system perfectly. Just my opinion of course and no doubt not universally accepted by other 'experts' here.

Lot good points but seriously wackokid


Holloywood Hayes is bringing nothing to the table
I'm sorry now but christ have you seen him last seven years for cork

FAILURE IN BIG GAME Time again


Look if dancing around the wings with fancy football tricks your idea footballer st elite level it's not mine


Reminds me of those reality TV shows

A new boy band or girl band comes on looks good make noise but can't sing
Yeah faze craze of music get them few months fame but they don't last long


Hayes is footballer equivalent to thar music type

He looks good, talk the talk, he be flashy player but as last year and year before proved kerry don't fear him


Hodnet in fairness just second year on panel and has steel courage dogmatic warrior Hayes never had or simply won't
I apologise wackokid if he's your hero but look if I saw fault with super man my hero I'd call it as it is

thinkstoomuch1

Monaghan next week after a fine win in Tyrone will be tough good test up their next week
Blanket system with excellent malachi rourke should test cork

Cork have forwards to win but today six points from play won't be enough as referring up their tends let a lot go so won't get much up there
Good managers will judge today and say we played good but another day could lost by seven and we have solve key issues
The poor manager looks today days says all fine makes limited changes
Thursday team will tell is it same as last year

People complaining bout Halloron kick outs I ask who is better?
Hsnahran who good kicker failed In shot stopping for cit and no where near ken shot stopping wise
There's myth again that just cause ken goes short can't go long
Course he be can

Anyone at town v clyda or other games where he kicked forty five and sixty five scores
So complete incorrect he can't kick long
I saw him ul training camp kicking long
Problem is championship is he no none to aim at it
If I was in goal I wouldn't be kicking long if I saw gould or last year Andrew Sullivan there

Two years ago we has same views at Nash in hurling as cork bar cronin had one ball winner
Yet people said Nash puck outs are poor
Yer when cork got harnedy he was fine and also he so good tool frees for cork as he done with club
Who goalie replace ken
Pointless we replace ken with dave and dave let's in three goals is it??????


I still refuse blame ken as he's no midfield the last two years be fair

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

Ttm i agree about midfield however an even bigger issue is ohallorhans kickouts,ge gas no distance and has no confidence going ling,the pressure on tiring backs to win a shirt kickout and turn ut into an attack is too much all the time.Could you imagine what a team like donegal would do to us?1 long kick out in2nd half and he didnt reach 45,criminal at this level. Imo maguire is corks only real midfielder atthis level and thats huge pressure on a young fella.
However great effort from team and good spirit shown,they gad to win and did;flanagan has them in top shape

I'd totally agree flangan top shape fitness wise

What did you make cork tactically
What did you make of subs the tactically changing three aera to solve one
Full back line???
What you think we're strongest aera and weakest

Have we turned a corner!???

Or is it too early with Dublin missing around five key regular today

Gary Neville

wackokid wrote: »

Anybody who saw D.Og Hodnett doing well today needs glasses. John Hayes played more intelligent football while he was on the field than most, and IMHO is at worst a great sub to have when opposition is tiring. Easy on the eye with the ball in his hands. He doesn't drop it either like some we could name, and if I hear you knocking my favourite player again TTM, I'll find you and strangle you..................lol
D.Og is far too cumbersome and lazy for intercounty senior football and is unlikely to make it.
That Dublin team today was really not the Dublin team we know, but nevertheless Cork were decent and defended well apart from Lougherey who hasn't a clue about corner back play.
Gould is a half back and should be forbidden to shoot for goal under pain of being sent to the ISIS crowd. Holy Jasus those misses today were even worse than his howler v Mayo a few years ago.
Final comment.......the event in Killarney was clearly played under a different set of rules to the event in Cork and if anybody can differentiate between the stuff that went on in Killarney under Mr Deegan and Rugby League, please let me know. Hickey has is own rules too BTW and a few of his decisions today mystify.
Cubby seems to have adopted the Donegal system and Colm O Driscoll fits that system perfectly. Just my opinion of course and no doubt not universally accepted by other 'experts' here.

I'd agree that Donal Og was only average today but I think he might make the grade, in time.

I agree that Hayes brings something as a last quarter sub - good vision and will take a score.

We are obviously badly caught for corner backs - Galvin is probably an option - we may have to use BOD there. Jamie was OK. It's not Cuthbert's fault - the lads are not there.

Loughrey is a problem - great ahtlete but poor vision - modern game requires wing backs to be able to link play.

Ken O Halloran is a very good shot stopper and is hard to beat but we won't beat a top side unless we can mix kick-outs - long and short - he can't kick long with the required accuracy and our MF'ers need an edge - by placing the ball to where they run. Bastick outfielded them with ease today. KOH is a luxury we can't afford IMO.

A vital win today and maybe we can win our 2 other home games and sneak an away win (Tyrone are our best chance) 4 wins might give a semi slot.

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

good win but look who Dublin had out, 4 or 5 starters come the summer and didn't bring on any big names either while we had 11 or 12 and brought on Kerrigan.

Whats the story with our setup on Dublins kickouts. contested only 2 or 3 in the full game. have any sort of system what you want but giving your opponents uncontested possession in the middle of the pitch every time they restart a game is woeful imo.

I agree it remind me phase rubgy years ago with new rules full back catches kicks high opposition full back and he returns ot

A game of ping pong results
It goes on for around four or five phases

Ireland Argentina Dublin four years ago similar scenario

Ireland won
We though lovely jubbly

However we played all blacks and aussies who full back play is run and create than play garryowwn nonsense Ireland game was exposed cruelly

Point is cause it worked v Argentina doesn't mean it's successful
It's successful as Argentina back play was one dimensional


Soon as Ireland met creative southern hemisphere teams they were exposed

Dublin went along with it today as they were trying out something new
Thry new they have ball winning midfield in the summer
Cork imo went with it as they know they have no other option
A key difference

Cork didn't contest as they allowed Dublin ball funnel back

That's fine but when Dublin add likes flynn and kilkenny ti the attack not young lads like today as you say they with space will carve cork open and Gooch kerry would love such system with cork

One point is however defence you go you can't allow there playmaker any time or space on the ball
Classic example England v Italy last year
England never marked oldest man on the field the awesmoric pirlo

He went deep England allowed him to
Naive and foolish Hodgson forget pirlo going deep allowed him no pace pick pass after pass and split England static defence off as he pleased and while England lauded fact more passed than Italy pirlo had most success rate both teams and he created so much from deep
As he had ability to do so

Cork do this to kerry in July Gooch will play deep and pick possess off and get kerry forward ball I'm hand they will carve cork out


See if I was cuthbhert after today I'd ask what would kerry do this scenario
You must think like them as there the ultimate tesr

If cork are pressed also on their kickouts then huge problem as cork won't be able to move up field at pace
You must have various game plans
Cork have none bar short kick out and have no mistake if a normal joe soap like me can spot this the top coaches like Buckley cian o Neill in the world of video analysis can spot this and have it noticed

Kerry being kerry will allow absolutely cork do this in four weeks
They won't contest

But in killarney like done donegal they will be moving for the receiver before ken has even begun he's kick out
They will be like a hare in race running at speed before gates have opened in the traps for the dogs
This system fine today but so easy defend against imo