Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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Cork wide in injury time with the chance of a draw. Tipp the better team, goals kept us in it.

commonsense.

Well done to the minors hurlers Wed night. Slow start and looked in trouble but some astute moves before half time and a general all round improvement after the short whistle saw us run out comfortable winners.
Hard to make sense of the Cork performance in the first 25 mins versus what we witnessed thereafter. Could easily have been 10 points or more down before we kicked into gear. Seemed to have great difficulty dealing with their sweeper and equally didn't make good use of our spare defender for most of that first half. Our corner backs shipped a bit of criticism but have to say I'd love to have been a Limerick corner forward in that opening half - ball being played in front of them in acres of space. Any half decent corner forward would make life difficult for his marker in those conditions.
It was the type of game where you could easily find fault with any number of Cork players in the first half yet we had stand out performances all over the field in the second half.
Which is the real Cork minor team? Well in my view the first 25 minutes isn't a reflection of their true worth. And probably not quite as good as they looked in the second half as Limerick seemed to surrender easily. If as I expect we meet them again in the Gaelic Grounds on 1st July expect a different Limerick team to show up. I'd be absolutely confident we can win up there but Limerick won't lie down in front of their own people, guaranteed. Expect a much closer contest.
I think this Cork bunch have something and the management will have learned a lot from last Wed. I expressed concern before the game about nobody making the no 6 jersey their own. In fairness Eoghan Murphy didn't do much wrong on the night and like a lot of others had a very good second half. I just wonder will his lack of experience in the position become an issue. After Wed nights Eoghan probably deserves to retain the position next day out. Once mgmt have a 'Plan B' in the event of things not working out. Chris O'Leary might have seemed the obvious choice for centre back but having been given several opportunities there in challenge games since last October he just didn't do enough to make the spot his. Mind you he had a terrific second half on Wednesday and is still an option for the position.
This was a game Cork needed to win and with that in mind they lined out accordingly on Wed night. The management threw everything at it and got the desired result. They will have learned a lot from this game and like any team that progresses in any championship we can expect some minor tweaking along the way.
It's a long 3 month wait now for the semi final. A lot can happen between this and then but after a terrific moral boosting win, bring it on I say.
Final thought, best performance I've seen from a county minor hurler in many a day - well done Shane Kingston.

thinkstoomuch1

It's well know I have lauded the minor current cork hurling management from day one, Denis Ring ,John O Dwyer and lauded the appointment of Pat Hartnett who imo was a terrific addition to this set up from the start
I always said this year was the true test of cork minors hurling management
They deserve immense credit for the night, all that were involved and all the panel.

They never had a chance to beat limerick with the disruption to training with club games prior to limerick last year , loss two key players mid game plus they had more injured players and I don't do moral victories but in in all things considered I said they done an outstanding job last year despite some critsom of them by some fans

I'm surprised with the margin of victory as limerick were actually poorer than what I thought but I said on the limerick thread many times that the dynamic and duo of daly and leo would not work and typical typical limerick, shafted Wallis just like o grady just like cunningham and we'll the chickens are coming home to roost and I genuinely feel for geuine limerick fans as they have outstanding talent but as I said in a post December in their thread their under age will go backwards as Daly is a good manager but not a coach or director of hurling and limerick with leo have too managers but no coach

This cork minors set up I always believed had a huge chance get to munster final,wasn't like some cork teams this year false hope but real real justified confidence imo

The worry was playing limerick twice but I have no doubt cork were holding back in the team selection and I said this in Waterford thread prior to the game , as while the half back line is all good players at half back cork have better in those positions and Mark Coleman who is an outstanding hurler is a half forward or midfielder not a half back, and that half back line as a unit won't start the next game imo for Cork and neither will Billy Dunne in John looney and Gunning will in the Cork management know what they bring but cork held them in reserve for the second half in my opinion as game changers

Niall o leary or Coleman didn't have their best games but I would not be critical of them in O leary is eligible next year and is an outstanding half back as proven v limerick already in a challenge under 17 before, but he is not a corner back.
He was only a b player on the under sixteen team a year ago but has made considerable progress
I done a report of that challenge game v limerick here and I said O leary and Passages Finest Ronan Harrington stood out on the b team that day

Coleman plays half forward or midfield for Blarney and was playing under twenty one last year so he's an outstanding hurler

This cork team will be much better the next day with the likes of Donnacha Murphy or Hennessy in at corner back, John cashman imo will be starting at half back, o leary will be back there also as tonight he was picked to play a sweeper role as I said this yesterday in a post in the Waterford thread as clear as day limerick would play a sweeper.
O leary has been excellent in all challenges despite what a post said here and it had nothing to do with he not being centre back but cork knew limerick were going to play a sweeper and wanted him in a deep midfield role imo

Cormac may start the next day but he won't be full forward
Looney will definitely start and possibly Gunning I'd be certain of imo

Darragh O Brien outstanding for youghal this year at centre back when moved back in the Harty Cup and In challenge will be in contention also imo on the match day panel the next game

Cork had a bench of subs with Harty Cup experience compared to lads that started that had none so imo another sign Cork would be stronger the next day
Looking at Corks panel imo it's clear Cork will improve hugely again as competition for places is unreal

Cork picked a team essentially for the physical battle with limerick as Daly teams always play that way and it was a horses for courses selection
Once cork injected real pace and cohesion of dynamic movement in the second half Limerick imerick imo were in trouble.

It was pointless Cork winning in peak performance , in its a marathon not a sprint the way the system is set up in Munster

This limerick team doesn't have the panel to really add or imo improve where's imo Cork were good but no where near their peak and cork have more scope to change their team and will get better
If they play limerick again Cork ork won't be holding back for one half like tonight they will go from the off.
Cork imo just held off a bit in the ist half as the peak was the second half and imo clear as day this was the case as Ring is too astute as a coach not to make changes to the defence despite cork being under huge pressure there

They decided that once the outstanding forwards got ball they would score enough to win and the team was picked as such imo

Cork were understandbly nervous too as only Kingston played minor the before but crucially this win now means almost all of the starters last night and some panel have now not lost to limerick at minor like before and beaten them regularly at under 17 so the fear of limerick teams of psst years is gone

It not that Cork ork half backs are bad it's more Cork have much better in some positions with likes young Kevin Murphy lynch pin for youghal and killeagh all year, O Leary, Cashman, Conor Cahalane etc
Don't be surprised also to see the outstanding Jeremy saich as many know here I picked him out the past year as one to watch and said it before he was called up to the development squads that he imo is close to the panel place imo and I would not rule him out be on the panel the next match day.

He's display v castleyroy where he's eligible for minor next year apparently didn't go unnoticeable where he was meant to be a power house that day, very physical hurler with telepathic feet and beautiful movement in symmetry and cohesion with he's hurling

Limerick under Daly as director of under age hurling imo are going to loose terrific progress Wallis made and I'm not surprised, I said this in the limerick thread in December
They should have Niall moran or Declan Fitzgerald, their awesome coaches but the limerick Board like Cork at times make wrong choices of the field of play

You can't beat good management
I praised the Cork junior football, minor hurling,senior hurling, under twenty one hurling as good management I believe in and the outstanding under twenty one football have done outstanding work again.

The ones I fear are the senior management football, minor football, intermediate hurling who I will give them immunity from critsom this year as they have to field a new team

Unfortunately in terms of management views as I seen plenty poor ones and good ones and it's easy imo to tell the difference , all you got to do is keep sentiment and emotions out of it when judging.

There is from I saw Wednesday huge doubtsthat limerick will beat Waterford and imo Waterford who ran tipp close owe limerick a defeat over the past two years and imo could win

If Cork play limerick again I really doubt this current management will actually learn that much where as Dwyer and Hartnett and Ring will,
Wallis would have evolved Limerick.

It can't be under estimated the loss Wallis is to limerick plus he's club mate of Hartnett so I don't doubt Cork knew all they needed to on limerick

Wallis put in many late night in limerick and many a Saturday there so imo he has a huge affection for genuine limerick fans, limerick hurling people so I think he will naturally of course be happy he's club men Smyth and hartnett and indeed cork were winning but I genuinely don't think he'll have any joy in seeing limerick well beaten in he worked so hard for high standard I don't think he wants limerick to fall below them

As a cork man I'm delighted cork won but I'm actually disappointed and geuinely feel for the real limerick fans in seeing the poor performance in imo limerick have the talent and deserve good coaching and certainly I won't get joy in seeing limerick go back to old ways

Daly and leo may have brought in padraig Harrington in do motivation speech in January but as I said in the other thread there's more to coaching than that, there's tactical ability and coaching

Wallis wouldn't been as extravagant but what he done well he done it exceptional well and the basics in particular
Just one example of many but I'll just give one how Daly and leo differed to Wallis
Two weeks ago they went to KK play them in a challenge and actually went to the wrong ptich and Daly even admitted this in he's Examiner column

Now fair enough you could argue these things happen but imo this would never happened under Wallis as nothing was left to chance, he nearly knew what he's opponents had for breakfast in the since he knew every challenge match they played and who played where and what they scored etc
Imo the current limerick set up is not as good regards attention to detail as Wallis was

Wallis is after in just six months reinvented Aidan dan Ryan in he has taken him from centre forward back to half back at club for midelton and such has been the level of improvements in him Ryan got a deserved call up for senior game v Laois where he had an outstanding game
This wasn't down to Ryan solely, Wallis deserves credit he played him in he's best position when for years he was wasted as half forward

Just watch peter dowling be a great club full back imo this year in the legs for midfield are gone but he's been tried at full back now.

Wallis I think will be involved in Cork hurling at some level in the future and if talk is true certainly at schools level

For limerick the superpower in munster hurling imo their going to decline in standard and rather than some realise this, they will talk ah its to be expected, we dominated for so long bound to be a fall back when thats imo a wrong attuide in kilkenny have sustained excellence and even cork under twenty football who lost over key players being out, but the standards cork inter county under twenty one football is still high

The progress has been made in cork hurling so far this year at schools but the key test is the semi final
Win and the pressure is off them and they can play with freedom imo
Unfortunately there's huge pressure on this bunch, it's unfair but it's been created by years of awful neglect at under age and until cork teams get to munster final there will always be that expectation
It's unfortunate but unfortunately the reality

However this group have the best coaching structure to help them
For the ist time in years cork have the triple crown in good management at minor senior and under twenty one who will get every last inch out of the players

The biggest challenge for Cork is to sustain this as too many times Cork make progress but take the eye off the ball and then chase the pack

Cork imo should be the Kings of under age hurling and the dominate force of old when we were top of the table at minor and under twenty one
We must be realistic, we have a long long way to go yet, the game the other night was just an obstacle that had to be overcome so the key game is in June
That's why it's great cork won but imo,With possibly four or five changes to this team, a less nervous Cork will actually get better the next day and playing away from home imo could help them as their is a lot of pressure playing in front of your home crowd.

Too early to talk of all Irelands but if Cork got to munster final and lost I think the back door with more games would suit them and I certainly think as shown by rochestown v kierans, Cork would be competitive at least v KK in a semi final and Denis Ring has an outstanding record v KK under age teams
I want Cork rk to play KK as to see exactly where we're at imo

As for Tipp I wasn't at it but tipperary just won but I'd think this tipp team is so good, there is actually more in them and again in they were peaking for later on in the championship so they imo still are the team to beat

As for the performances itself, Griffin was outstanding and definitely is Mr consistent all year
An awful call by Daly to put flangan in there for large spells when he's better out the field drifting in
Once the goal went in Griffin had him well Marshalled and after the consideration he held Aron ron shanagher, Ronan Lynch in various games he was well able for flangan
Smith had a fine game as did Fitzgibbon at midfield and tim o mahony who I always was a huge fan of here had an outstanding game

O mahony has played senior club for the last two years, played underage at centre back for club and is a powerhouse in the forwards to win high ball
Definitely a player with huge potential and he's brother won a minor all Ireland under Denis Ring fourteen years ago with Cork

Midfield imo can be strenghted as when o leary drops back to half back there's a Real option to add pace in there in Saich or Billy Hennessy or Coleman to move out from half back

Kingston was the pick for Cork, he was outstanding but showed real leadership to follow on from 1-3 v limerick last year

A dual minor but it won't affect him imo as cork minors won't beat jacks kerry despite having imo wonderful talent but I have no faith in that current management based on past results

Cormack had an excellent game and has been immense all year at Harty Cup and is improving with every game despite playing out of positions for a bit as did Halloran who will just get better and better and the outstanding Looney ooney who like last year nearly won cork the game as a sub then with a super point but changed this game again with two superb points and winning loads of ball

Only question with him is where to play him, in the corner or at half forward as he's good in both areas
Massive potential, outstanding player, superb big game temperament for a young hurler

I have been a fan of looney since day one at under sixteen last year in dean Ryan cup with midelton and this lad is awesome and Ring imo knows that so when he didn't start him or gunning who will be sensational for cork this year there were clearly holding them back imo with the original selection

Robbie flynn didn't have he's best game but he's form all year been outstanding and even for cbc in the munster b championship so imo he will have better games
I'm a huge fan of this Eirns Own player hurling wise

Strenght in depth this panel is unbelievable when you see the likes of john sullivan , dan landers, Ian Cahill, Shane Walsh, Josh beasusang, all outstanding hurling talent that would make most county teams but can't make this panel imo proves that point

Our best group of talent and properly coached in years imo

If cork get to a munster final this selection team has to get a new term with the likes of declan Fitzgerald given and Wallis prominent roles in cork under age hurling imo also
If cork get the coaching right the rest will take care of itself it's actually that simple in cork hurling
John dwyer deserves huge credit for stepping in to the coaching set up at ease from a selector.

Ring has proven record at success at all levels and I believe in any team he coaches

Hard luck to the under twenty one footballers with around seven injured panel players and starters like maguire , Histon, crowley, hurley all huge losses, it's tough to loose by a point but I wouldn't have been surprised cork pulled it off but tipperary had peter creedon from the senior set up involved, so in Thurles it was always a huge Ask to win

Tipp are an excellent team and despite missing a few had o riordain who was majestic and maguire was a huge loss in this regard

This management team have in Cork had a good two year term and should get a new term after this year
If cork were full strength they're would have won imo
Tipperary have a few injured but nothing like cork and certainly mot as many bar mcgrath, key players missing for the final.

Five in a row for any title as KK and kerry proved is just almost impossible to do.
And the pressure of this and going ahead of kerry in the overall roll honour and becoming the only team since kerry won this grade five in a row is of huge pressure and you need a full panel to do it

I am of the pinion Cork have done everything possible to prepare right for that game and do not blame anyone For the loss , they met a tip top tipperary side with out full back, centre back midfielder and full forward who would make a huge difference
Cork with the losses I feared could struggle at midfield and lack the fire power of past teams, if they won it would have to be a system of defined play with a specific plan in place I thought and I don't think we had the options to go free flowing fast open football, Individual brilliance won't just do it for cork in it would have taken a full team effort as gene o driscoll and Hayes teams play as teams, but I was surprised on the night with the open brand of football played and despite so many out absent, they showed superb conviction to go all out for the win

Full back was a huge issue but management were left with little options in Histon was out
One thing for sure is they were well prepared as they could be

If cork won I couldn't see cork beating Dublin with out those keys players
Tipperary have a chance and I wish them well but Dublin are a tough challenge

As much an huge ask it was i had more confidence of cork pulling off a win here than cork seniors doing anything under senior management with full strength panel such is my level belief in this set up and lack of it at senior

Now this set up term is up, without a doubt they deserve new term
I despise moral victories, I hate them truth be told but the two losses cork had under this two year management term in they lost last year to roscommon and indeed to tipp were by a point that v roscommon last year, Nolan the referee cost cork last year and with so many out v tipperary I don't think cork could done much more but the spirit to come back three times and fight to the end showed spirt in this team under the excellent management and they got every inch out of them

Also this management like previous ones, done awesome work considering they get lads who play poorly at minor due to awful management so they deserve immense credit for their development of players

They should get a second term.
This cork team came within point of tipp yet cork had players not at the same level as other cork sides in this grade of the past

Murphy had and outstanding game, kiely and white are future senior players, o driscoll had a good game, kellher was awesome and should be A midfielder at seniors imo down the line with proper coaching

Tipperary are a fine team, they deserve immense credit for their second title and with a cork man creedon involved with them are doing a fine job and I wish them all the best v Dublin
O riordain is an awesome player to watch

Gene and Sean Hayes imo are much better than the cork senior management as the cork senior set up flatter to deceive with so much talent available

Seniors team was named, and it's huge worry as important in its the shape of the championship team, cadogan midfield with gould, colm o driscoll gets game time , loughrey out position corner back and imo huge worries team but they will beat a non interested donegal but sweet heavenly jesus Dublin will expose this team I fear
Cadogan midfield is a double problem in it deprives cork of one the best full-back we have yet it puts him in a position where kerry will just dominate him as despite he's athletic ability is not constant ball winner imo and takes the ball too much in to contact for a midfielder where counter attacking relies on speed of thought and fast off loading as in a blanket slow build upon is just hugely inefficient to breaking down massed defences

It's unfair to expect cads to change when old habits die hard, he's a defender first and foremost imo

How in the name of football Barry o driscoll or john Hayes still get a panel place despite numerous chances after chance after chance is beyond me
Before anyone thinks I'm harsh imo it is harsher on better players not on the panel that deserve the chances that these guys get
Nobody can say driscoll or Hayes haven't got enough chances to be fair

Fine club players but hardly players will put any fear in to kerry with the greatest respect to them and I judge them only on field of play in the red and white of the cork jersey.

I deliberately made a point of not posting as regularly as before particularly regards cork senior football set up as I understand my view could be deemed tiresome and like a parrot so I held off for a bit and said I would judge at the end of the league as the same mistakes were being repeated and I would only end up saying the same thing over and over.

I think many concerns are still quite valid and the only reason I repeat them now again is there so evident on the eve of championship and to assess cork so far you can't turn a blind eye to them as they are imo glaringly obvious issues with this side.


I hope Dublin win v monaghan and they will as cork need serious tests not false dawn that make heroes out of average managers imo
There is nothing worse than going to killarney imo with a false hope as It sweetens the view victory for them when jerry beat cork

My view is fool me once your fault fool me twice my fault.
On the basis what I have seen, I hope to be wrong but I find it hard to see how we can beat kerry, as seen by this team selection again same issues are their with no signs of been fixed imo
Cork will beat a non interested donegal tomorrow who are flying out to Portugal soon and some will say cork know how to beat the blanket
No they don't, donegal destroyed cork in the earlier rounds and the saving grace was when Murphy was sent off cork came back to loose by a point
That game cork couldn't break down the defence and handpassed the ball laterally close to 200 times which was reminiscent of the 299 hand passing v Donegal under Counihan in 2012

Cork unlike Kerry and Dublin showed last week don't pick the players to vary the point of attack with angled kick passing but are picking runners that try the rugby league style barge and run up the middle
Cork think athletic and fitness ability will work alone v the blanket. Imo you need speed of football intelligence and creativity to add to that
Cork are not picking players in pivotal positions imo that have those requirements and there imo miles off Dublin and Kerry and give the ever improving Galway another year they could over take Cork imo

I read today that Kevin o driscoll made a writers all star league team and based it on being brilliant v kerry and the comeback to donegal
He is entitled to he's opinion but to rate a performance against a non interested kerry and in donegal with a man sent off who were dominating up to that point imo is not accurate

wackokid

He meant Colm not Kevin.
Fogarty is a clown.
John Hayes is a good footballer.
Welcome back..............even if you do grate about John Hayes

sean mac

wackokid wrote: »

He meant Colm not Kevin.
Fogarty is a clown.
John Hayes is a good footballer.
Welcome back..............even if you do grate about John Hayes

Hayes has never performed in championship but that never worries cork managers,a nice footballer at club level. Once again cork are believing that league matters.....we have an appalling midfield and a nonscoring half forward line,and a keeper whocan just reach his own 45. Donegal should hold hurley and oneill tomorrow it will be interesting to see how we do then. Thru a combination of ineptitude and poor judgement neither sean kiely or sean dineen are involved with cork and we dont have a midfield sub tomorrow....are we any way advanced on last year bar fitness under flanagan?

wackokid

Neither Dineen or Kiely are good enough for senior intercounty. Either that or Ciarán, Don, Eoin, Ronan or Cubby or a majority of those brains know less about their ability than keyboard warriors. Kiely is young enough to make it later imho.
John Hayes is no Gooch but he's as good if not better than anybody else around Cork football and his footpassing and incisive hand passes won two recent league games for Cork. Am I the only one to see that?
He certainly does not deserve the constant berating by the self acclaimed expert on all things GAA here.
We currently don't have recognised senior mid fielders but that may change before year end. My cup is half full, not half empty.
I wish Cubby would let somebody else do the interviews as he is painful to listen to.

thinkstoomuch1

Well if he meant colm with the greatest respect to the players and no intention to offend you. WACKO as I do realise and appreciate your a huge o driscolls fan and Hayes I have to strongly disagree in not so much an opinion but a mere fact that colm has actually been taken off in most games for cork this league, couldn't actually score much v an awful kerry bar one point and he in this league got just two points approx
He works hard, he's committed he's hungry but for this apparently talk he's tough as nails he actually got taken off last year v mayo after been outplayed, and he's failing to last games

John o rourke has despite not starting games when it's a straight choice between him and colm been superb, he can work hard as has creative mind and awesome kick passing skills to score and open up defences that colm doesn't have
O rourke has worked hard like he did v derry when none rest cork lads bar a few showed the hunger he did but he actually outscored driscoll with around 2-3 or so this league
Now the two goals have to be diluted in value as it was kerry however at least he scored them and o driscoll couldn't

Ist of all, fair play to the echo being the ist to mention outside of kerry cork have worst defensive record in the league yesterday
I highlighted this early this week as no one else did, it's refreshing to see the cork media notice the defensive problems and say this

Some fans have a school of thought however imo making the point cork were still scoring and are the best scoring in this league
Imo that's not mind blowing in cork scored last year very well and we all know iwe have forwards
The kerry game I'd say the huge score here that helped cork must not be ignored as that kerry game is absolutely one hundred per cent imo meaningless

Cork struggled to break down donegal, it was horrible to watch, monaghan the same bar o Neill brilliance
Against a poorly coached mayo cork also struggled for scores

The problem cork have is getting enough possession to score and getting the balance between defence and attack

Some have a view that while cork have gone defensive making the point imo cork weren't as defensive as people thought but if that's the case management have to be questioned as all talk was were going defensive one point that was ignored imo by a lot of people and should not be, one in fact I highlighted here early this week is Dublin have the best defensive record in the league yet only conceded 2-78 yet still scoring but playing lot new lads more than cork but crucially like cork only started this system now
If Dublin can do it cork should but imo cork don't have the coaching to do this and midfield is a huge problem to cork
Donegal implemented their defensive system in one year

There is a , just my opinion of course, a school of thought going around cork fans that should cork loose midfield problems will be mentioned ad nauseum to this set up
Imo that's correct but seriously let's get real, what do people expect
Just cause the problems of midfield are on for two years if not solved this year what does fans expect realistic cork fans to do, say ah look problems are still there, we said this before, ah time to move on and look we need stop going on bout it

You can only with respect move on from nauseating talk regards midfield if it's fixed or at the very least say management are blame less by trying dinnen , laoire, now that maguire is out kiely, or rather than the nonsense and waste time recalling cussen should recalled fiactra lynch to have a chance and actually progressive positivity innovative approach to solving midfield but imo the wasting of time with cadogan at midfield like Collins, picking Kevin and colm and Jamie sullivan there imo unfortunately means imo cork logical fans have every justified reason to say again and again midfield is an issue

A correct point is cork defensive poor record highlights fact cork have spirt and confidence and unity to finish strong in games
However imo it could be looked at , that if teams concede that much on the league form in championship a fitter intense Dublin and interested kerry will actually do real damage to cork defensive and despite all the spirt and grit as limerick hurling , kilmallock, cork under Counihan from the latter years showed imo is not enough to stop the better organised teams who have better tactics and better strenghths
I must admit there seems to be a unity within cork however when a team gets a run on us in championship as we go large spells unscoring real test cork spirt then
Ireland soccer will always have a spirt and pride but it only gets you so far at the elite level

I don't think some actually realise the challenges we face in were up against the great I mean great now really really great management in gavin and o Neill and Fitzmauirce and these lads are elite elite proven managers

Flangan has been immense from day one and I acknowledged this as fitness he's fine , imo coaching is a concern?!??
Cuthbert seems to be coaching while Mccarthy just a selector

I hate to bust cork bubbles but needs must in the thrive for perfection
A cork team with the worst defensive record bar kerry, a non existent midfield, a full back line unsettled like a half back line also and a half forward line with little creative guile unless Collins and o rourke start but that's not certainty in Collins could be midfield, the picking of non game changers in Hayes and Kevin o driscoll, imo means coaching is still a huge concern

Dublin are the real test of cork
Cork think by pulling back numbers and crowding out midfield like Tyrone v kerry years ago will work and solve midfield, I'm sorry but the game evolved now since as we can only field 15 players at a time

Point is cork use this crabbing system as it's called in football coaching, kerry will still dominate the air and if need be will go short for kick outs so either way kerry win the ball as cork flood midfield from half forward kerry half backs are free for kick outs
Only way to stop kerry going short is to push up high end, but cork dont have the ball winners in two to say right stay at midfield on their own ball, our half forward will hold their line to stop kerry going short
It's one or the other for cork

Kerry and Dublin on the other hand have ball winners so they can push up on cork kick outs to force cork go long as their half forwards will contest but any ball goes direct it means they will win the midfield battle as sheer number won't be there
Now if cork half forward drop deep on midfield to help forwards kerry with Buckley a powerhouse house and tommy Walsh from half forward are able and superior cork half forwards win clean ball but unlike cork have strength to break the tackle and problem is with a crabbing system is if you commit number you have to simply have to win ball as otherwise there's so much space due to over committed midfield aera cork weak defensive structure suddenly under huge threat to a fast kerry or Dublin potent dynamic ruthless attack
Bottom line is you need a midfield

As for the post regards kiely and dinnen not up it , it's nonsense when they never got a chance yet gould and others have
As for Hayes wacko I respect your view but without being blunt sweet lord divine jesus Hayes best we got., are you actually serious
Go through he's long inter county career, been found out in key championship games v kerry, even counihan didn't rate him
Yes he'll probably bang a goal or few flashy points, against non intensity donegal but he's failed too many times for cork now
I think you have to be he's biggest fan and answer to your question yeah you are probably one of a few to think he's great this league
I don't think he actually scored v Dublin or indeed Tyrone or monaghan
He yes v monaghan offered a lovely four minutes cameo , wonderful as it was hardly all star material
I wouldn't say he created anything else
If you think at he's stage in he's career he's better than the legendary donnacha you must be having a laugh imo but looks I respect it's your opinion your entitled to it, at same time if say not menu agree with it regards this

Now if you want play him in the half forward line imo it's a resounding no no no no as while he may be better than o rourke naturally he lacks the dog and bite and steel of resolve like o rourke to perform in a war of attrition and cork if they want creative half forwards imo have Collins , o rourke, and Brian o driscoll who are all dogmatic steely players but also can score and create
Vaughan is am outstanding athletic player as is Hodnet and with the brilliant dan mceoin would be better as young talents to improve rather then play the well used Hayes who has aera of the game he won't improve now

As for key board warrior, with respect just cause you don't like a view and your obviously a huge Hayes or driscoll fan club it's not correct accuse others of such , we're only giving an opinion like yourself
As for regards that sullivan and cuthbert and Davis know better than key board warrior imo I'd actually truly wonder in with respect there coaching records are poor and if you can enlighten me with any examples of either having proven coaching successful record at club please do so
Some of posters here based on there judgements of players before games and evidence after games showing there were astute in their assement while management still pick players after poor performance just my opinion but I'd be of the view nearly one or two have a better perception and judgment of the requirements for elite senior inter county management as to be fair not many would picked a recall of cussen , recall paddy o shea once great , a non logic picking durrant and hazel on the original panel and also picking half backs in corner back role when the dog on the street imo understand and appreciate corner back in the elite modern game is a specialist and defined role

If you want to give me example in key games that Hayes delivered in championship please do so and such example I welcome as maybes I'm missing something regards he's game
I wait with interests for these examples in championship now not with respect middle of the road mickey mouse league games at times

Now with respect I'm not a self proclaimed expert and don't have e any intention going down old ground with you , it's simple really I have an opinion and I try back it up with logic

It's not berating Hayes, as again numerous times I said but you will ignore It again, I believe Hayes imo is terrific potential imo for a coaching role but I judge the guy on inter county football and with respect this view of non realistic call a spade a spade in football is what is all wrong cork football in unlike Kerry and KK they call it as is

Your actually quite ironic at times in you are against valid purely valid remarks regards your select few of cork players yet you actually sorry now but let's call a spade a spade with the greatest respect you dont hold back to call a journalist a clown straight out

I critsed Hayes purely on field of play, you should know surely I have many times praised other aspects Hayes and to go further he wrote good articles in the examiner particularly he's all Ireland diary lead up to the last all Ireland cork final were in for the irish examiner

There's a lot of journalists I maybe not always agree with and I at times strongly disagree with but to call some one an out and out clown I prefer not to
He views you could said are foolish but doesn't mean he's a clown
IF it was a error in name he's hardly a clown, as so what he, made a typing error
I actually think he meant kevin and no error was made as I suggest your read it again, and he actually mentioned colm in its also so imo he meant kevin

I don't see he's logic behind he's all star selection of league team when he highlights as true judges of Kevin the kerry and come back against fourteen man donegal but I certainly wouldn't call him a clown and at times I think he writes good stuff, I only disagree with him on that selection in one position

Interesting how you wouldn't be as blunt with Hayes considering he got sent off v kerry , while I said at time he never was a dirty player, this, man with respect can do no wrong on field play in your eyes , your only tactic to debate to counter a view against Hayes is trying paint such views as personal against the player when it's not as clearly proven by me and others Hayes is judged on the field of play, in truth
If you have a problems either the judgement of Hayes on the field of play then surely what business have anything of us doing even posting views on any other player as it could be deemed harsh
Nobody doubts the commitment or passionate of Hayes nobody it's on the field of play he's judged
Charlie carter with a more acclaimed record for dropped by cody, cosy is ruthless and also that's why he is the greatest ever manager
Cork have given too many chances to others like Hayes while others barely get a game
Now that's in my book is what I call harsh
For the record Hayes is a terrific club player no doubt but just like cathal naughton and cian mac in hurling who are fine club players there unfortunately not seniors elite standard in the modern game



Now at this stage it's well known you will blame referees for any kerry win like this nonsense kerry were saved by ref v Tyrone on their thread last week or indeed ref won kerry all Ireland last year by they beating mayo, I like to not judge on circumstances evidence but rather judge on what I see before me
You don't like my view on Hayes fair enough , I'm not going round in circles on this but like any cork player I'f Hayes plays bad hell be judged accordingly
Nothing more nothing less
You don't like it you don't have to reply but please stop this nonsense Hayes been berated, anyone can see he's judged on field players and another poster said he didn't rate him

When you hear people critics of robbie Keane the great to be dropped , and gatland dropped driscoll In rugby shows ruthless execution that great proven players in comparison to Hayes who never performed consistently at the highest level shows different quality imo cork football lacks at times this nicey nicey approach dare not criticism which is like it when it comes to English soccer

Last week or so they drew with a non interested Italy and again under the loveable roy Hodgson in most but one English journalist they said England were good and I'd bust out with uncontrollable laughter when the commentator said at the end , England are now maybe up their with the greats of the game
Unbelievable but typical English soccer view and no wonder they are where there at and another championship night mare will happen when they meet top team's
That attuide is at times in cork football and no wonder we have one all Ireland in twenty years so my apologies if I'm against such type of soft anyalsing in regards cork football as I'm sick of seeing cork football under perform at senior despite wonderful young talent crying out to be developed at the next level available in abundance
I said here many times in cross reference to rugby , the extremely nice pat lam whole irish media adore as he course said he likes Gunness and spoke cupla focal, the much craved in irish media cause he from antrim and played gaelic Brendan Rodgers as all nice nice men but absolutely over rated as managers yet you guaranteed to pick up a paper trying to convince you of their greatness
Munster beat an awful Edinburgh yesterday, you will hear few fans lauding their creative back play then as two of the backs tries were kick and chase mot any line breaks
That's realistic assement something lost at times in sport

I like to judge on face value
Cork as darragh o cinnede said should beat a donegal that have little interest but he outstandingly called cadogan as midfielder as not going to working as with magee out he said he could do well but aside from he's athletic ability he won't actually be a good midfielder against a ball winner

He also said that under the awesome flangan cork will have no problem fitness wise but when they face team's with midfield options and force cork go long on kick outs it's a real test of cork

Now yes some cork people I talk to felt another kerry man was digging at cork , but look aside from kerry emotions of dislike by cork men he imo is one hundred in ten per cent right as cadogan is not a midfielder, while him and gould won't be exposed today, and come the summer cork midfield is a hugely worry again and Cork have shown no sign of fixing this

With maguire out, kiely while I agree is very very raw in terms of possession distribution as shown v Austin stacks surely playing him in seven constant league games would improved himself for next year at the least and imo the setup midfield options we had so far he surely couldn't been any worse and at least he's a natural midfielder with potential here where Collins cadogan etc are not
Yes it sounds nauseating talking about midfield again but for three years our hurling imo surely was nauseating saying we had no full back

Now some choose to ignore that problem.but looks what happened it came back and bite cork in the ass last August, did it or did it not and it also again done the same v kilkenny this league
However unlike the last three years management I don't blame this year but feel for them as Joyce injured with colm Spillane and a struggle with injury for cahalane to be fair they don't actually have options to solve the problem and unfortunately full back will cost this team if cork play KK or tipperary but it's nothing to do with management fault this year as unlike football they're actually tried to solve it this year without realistic options available

That's all I asked of any management team is to learn from mistakes, surely that's not a big ask is its when the codys of this world and Fitzmauirce are their own harshest critics, like the wonderful Jim gavin who done so after the Dublin donegal game last year

There great great managers Imo
Nobody imo, any geuine fan likes criticising their own, but you have to be honest for your team to get to the top and once it's not personal imo it's fine
This is senior elite inter county where players know there judged on performance.
Nothing more nothing less.

thinkstoomuch1

Watching this on tv that last move showed all wrong with cork , couldn't break down mass defence and on counter defence ripped apart
Donegal I doubt will keep up intensity so expect cork win but midfielder already been shown up again
Cork will finish strong fitness wise and want win more imo

ShamoBuc

Draw at ht. Came back well having fallen 3 behind. Poor kick out options as always. Cadogan too slow to leave go of the ball when he has it. Full forward line not seeing enough all as always. Think we will win by a couple of points still.

thinkstoomuch1

Huge huge worries in that ist half
No doubt cork will win unless donegal surprise me actually go for it
Cork fitness and bench and hunger to win buy we cant win clean midfield ball and the ease donegal walk through or defence is red red red alerts as again cork meant be defensive yet donegal have eleven ist half points truly defensive team would barely conceded that full match and cork outside kerry worst defence in the league


Attack is fine without half backs running through and over laps but no contact tackle with donegal and when donegal put men back cork can't actually kick ball over them need to do v kerry
Cork unlike donegal don't have luxury I'd not going all out in cork defensive structure is poorly not midfield answer lot problems where donegal got performance is half an know have system and they were not even st full tilt
Cork to win but this half shows the huge problem cork have defence and midfield and for all critsom ken again proved cork best shot stopper with outstanding save that saved cadogan after a mistake
Yes we hear kick outs are poor but he doesn't have much aim at in fairness
No intensity in this at all at all

Deco99

Surely the three brothers experiment is done? The two forwards are not worth their place.

thinkstoomuch1

Deco99 wrote: »

Surely the three brothers experiment is done? The two forwards are not worth their place.

There guaranteed a panel place colm a starter
Brian is good be fair one huge potential
The game panned out exactly as I thought
Donegal no interest going through motion but concede 17 points second gear donegal huge worry and midfield was poor again ball winner bar sporadic catches of gould kerry as proven so many times have he's number so this imo another false dawn as like I said yesterday people will say cork learned last donegal game and beat blanket with out reality donegal had no interest

Now the honeymoon is over as Dublin lie in await
It could be interesting
When have donegal concede four goal no way in championship
Hurler and o Neill won't get room despite awesome talent score as cork one worst defensive record league play best defence league and once hurley o Neill held where cork score as cork won't run through dubs but have outhought and out play them
Credit the win but this was always a game cork would win
Problem is cork same old problem still exists and I certainly are not going think there solved after today
Beat Dublin with dominate midfield and I'll laud this management with absolute total credit
I'd love to be in that position

ShamoBuc

Happy with the win and another game in HQ. Goals win games and scoring 4 against Donegal is no mean achievement. Goold had a very good game. We looked comfortable at times although I despise the messing around on our 21, passing to the keeper more than once should be outlawed as we will get caught out with that again in the summer

sean mac

Our 2 inside men are absolutely lethal, however we will not beat teams carrying both odriscolls in the half forward line, kevin way off the level. Our defending is absolutely shocking, desperate. Donegal were scoring way too easily all through the game and 20 scores is a huge concession. We don't tackle correctly and we drift back without ever attacking the ball or man with the ball - it needs huge improvement imo. If shields is out vs Dublin we are in big trouble.
Midfield went well today although Gallagher never came on for Donegal which would have really tested us. We definitely play more intelligently but if our defence and our defenders don't use their heads and more importantly aren't coached correctly we will be in trouble.
Call it negative, its realistic we are condeing more then anyone else bar derry in the league, today was even worse defending, tytified by murphys last point where despite havin at least 8/9 defenders back we left the best forward in the country on one defender. It also worries me with this management that they think loughrey is a man marking defender, he is not.

thinkstoomuch1

sean mac wrote: »

Our 2 inside men are absolutely lethal, however we will not beat teams carrying both odriscolls in the half forward line, kevin way off the level. Our defending is absolutely shocking, desperate. Donegal were scoring way too easily all through the game and 20 scores is a huge concession. We don't tackle correctly and we drift back without ever attacking the ball or man with the ball - it needs huge improvement imo. If shields is out vs Dublin we are in big trouble.
Midfield went well today although Gallagher never came on for Donegal which would have really tested us. We definitely play more intelligently but if our defence and our defenders don't use their heads and more importantly aren't coached correctly we will be in trouble.
Call it negative, its realistic we are condeing more then anyone else bar derry in the league, today was even worse defending, tytified by murphys last point where despite havin at least 8/9 defenders back we left the best forward in the country on one defender. It also worries me with this management that they think loughrey is a man marking defender, he is not.

I'd agree all that
Derry actually have better defensive record to us up to today
It's kerry is the exception but we allow know kerry have defensive structure and also don't give a monkey regards some games in league
Cinnede was right cadogan looked good but with out Gallagher it's not accurate reflection
To conceded twenty is shocking at this stage
Just watch difference in Dublin defensive style to cork
All were impressed doing is putting numbers back
In rugby you can commit five players to a ruck but riche macaw still wins break down as number means nothing if you have the art of the skillset to perfection

Stinicker

Cork are coming strong, I cannot wait for the Munster Final in Killarney this year, it will be an epic encounter and hopefully a better game than last year. Cork are the second best team in Ireland behind Kerry now, I expect Cork to defeat either Dublin or Monaghan in the League Final. Having a strong Cork football team is always in the best interests of Kerry.

rebelomar

TTM what is your solution to midfield?

thinkstoomuch1

rebelomar wrote: »

TTM what is your solution to midfield?

For a start actually give laoire and dinnen run of three constantly games to see if they're can offer something at worst same as our ponderous midfield at present in ball winning
Kiely would got games and I'd have fiactra lynch there
Look where we're at cussen recall , Jamie sullivan , cadogan , Collins Andrew sullivan all got game time
You surely see my point
Rory deane if fit but I doubt management would players him as they actually didn't play him start last year's when they did only have given him ones league game and despite out performance of Andrew sullivan sullivan picked for next game yet after nearly seven games Andrew sullivan while he's graft and cause jersey and courage is absolutely second to none and I really admire him that way fact couldn't kick ball or win ball air it was realised wasn't up senior but he was dropped then and then he left the panel himself
If management tried the above and it failed I'd say fair enough not their fault but the points is they simply have not
And while gould who I admire greatly and imo due years played out position cork football is a lost talent I'm sorry to say another match display v donegal in league game is hardly imo sign promise when donegal in ist half dominated cork midfielder but like said half time wouldn't keep updated intensity

Once the goals went in donegal had no interest
Maguire is a starter when fit if fit buy I said start year even with him cotk needed another midfield player

Even with maguire cork will struggle and unfairly ask expect him carry the can alone v kerry
If maguire is out the management will exempt of blame you some when it shouldn't be remembered a midfield is two not one

thinkstoomuch1

An outstanding defensive display by Dublin limited a fully committed and focused monaghan to sixteen point and monaghan who have a better defensive structure then cork Dublin patently and showing real composure and creative instinct to break down the blanket shows the problems cork face next week compounded by Dublin having a midfield
And Dublin are still a work in progress with this system but it's way more refined than cork imo
Cork should be thankful Dublin won as we should get real test next week
Dublin have conceded just two goals in eighth games and 94 points where cork conceded seven goals and 110 point's
It tells it's own story as cotk win all Ireland have beat Dublin and kerry

CORKDOUBLE

Credit to the lads we were all saying that they would be relegated ....we have problems of course at midfield ...but I think if we can put it up to Dublin it would give a huge boost going into the championship ....well done lads can not do anymore for now ...and plenty to do ....hopefully Ian Maguire will recover soon and it a big worry at this stage ...what a pity Sean Kiely is not on the panel ....

rebelomar

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

For a start actually give laoire and dinnen run of three constantly games to see if they're can offer something at worst same as our ponderous midfield at present in ball winning
Kiely would got games and I'd have fiactra lynch there
Look where we're at cussen recall , Jamie sullivan , cadogan , Collins Andrew sullivan all got game time
You surely see my point
Rory deane if fit but I doubt management would players him as they actually didn't play him start last year's when they did only have given him ones league game and despite out performance of Andrew sullivan sullivan picked for next game yet after nearly seven games Andrew sullivan while he's graft and cause jersey and courage is absolutely second to none and I really admire him that way fact couldn't kick ball or win ball air it was realised wasn't up senior but he was dropped then and then he left the panel himself
If management tried the above and it failed I'd say fair enough not their fault but the points is they simply have not
And while gould who I admire greatly and imo due years played out position cork football is a lost talent I'm sorry to say another match display v donegal in league game is hardly imo sign promise when donegal in ist half dominated cork midfielder but like said half time wouldn't keep updated intensity

Once the goals went in donegal had no interest
Maguire is a starter when fit if fit buy I said start year even with him cotk needed another midfield player

Even with maguire cork will struggle and unfairly ask expect him carry the can alone v kerry
If maguire is out the management will exempt of blame you some when it shouldn't be remembered a midfield is two not one

I'm not against giving anybody a chance...in fact any players needs a full league campaign almost imo to show their true worth.

What I will say is imo Lynch isn't good enough, Keily while promising didn't look a senior Intercounty midfielder to my eyes for UCC this year. In fact I think wing forward will be his position long term at senior level if he has a future.

I couldn't comment on the merits of O Laoire or Dinnen as I haven't seen enough but if you still me there's an Intercounty player in either I'll take your word.

The management seem to want a mobile midfield pairing, ball carrier's as opposed to high fielders...I'm not saying this is the way forward or I agree with it but that's the way they are goin.

Agree calling in Cussen was head scratching scratching.

What I will say is we have a game in two weeks time where any real weaknesses should be exposed and that is what we need.
Dublin in Croker will be a real test.

Our defending is very poor. The problem at the moment is we just seem to be pulling lads back behind the ball but there's no method to it...if you are playing a blanket..you press initially when you lose ball..if initial press is unsuccessful you then funnel back.

Here is our problem....we engaged Donegal too far from the scoring zone...poor tackling and that lead to big holes in the scoring zone.

In my opinion we attempted to win the ball back in the wrong areas defensively and this combined with some really poor tackling lead to a big score conceded.

Thankfully we have what 95% of teams don't have which is clinical forwards

Corcaigh Abu1

Build up to the hurling semis has been low key. Anybody hear any news on the team injuries etc.? Looks like Ellis and Cadogen will return for the game. I think JBM will go for pretty much the same team as has been starting in the league. cant see any big changes being made. it be great to beat the dubs in both codes for confidence leading into championship.

thinkstoomuch1

All should be fit bar pa cronin I presume.
Cahalane injury worries are a huge concern going forward.
I wouldn't be surprised if john cronin made the panel or they started with Andy Walsh.
Walsh was very good v Laois and got three points from play and the day before got a goal and two for killeagh

John cronin had an excellent game v Laois in terms of ball winning and aggression in he's hurling and he works so hard but is mobile and fast also.
How he was ignored up to now is baffling

The worry is the lack of defensive cover and I'd be calling up William Egan as he's back from abroad and he played for duhallow last night
He should be on the panel with Joyce out
Cork should be aiming to win this.

North Cork Star

Imokilly beat Avondhu 3-21 to 3-18 in which sounded like a very good game in the Senior Hurling Championship. I would be interested in seeing what teams they both had lined out, especially Avondhu! I heard Imokilly had a strong team out alright, Brian Lawton, Seamus Harnedy, Paudie O'Sullivan etc. playing.

Connorzee

North Cork Star wrote: »

Imokilly beat Avondhu 3-21 to 3-18 in which sounded like a very good game in the Senior Hurling Championship. I would be interested in seeing what teams they both had lined out, especially Avondhu! I heard Imokilly had a strong team out alright, Brian Lawton, Seamus Harnedy, Paudie O'Sullivan etc. playing.

1.Padraig O Brien St Ita’s
2. Barra O Túama Castlemartyr
3. Colm Barry Castlelyons
4. Tom Carroll Castlelyons
5. Ciarán O Brien St Ita’s
6. Timmy Geaney Carrig na bhFear
7. Mark O Keeffe Fr O Neill’s
8. Brian Lawton Castlemartyr
9. Dylan Cahill Cloyne
10. John Looney Aghada
11. Seamus Harnedy St Ita’s
18 Paudie McMahon Fr O Neills
13. Billy Dunne Fr O Neills
14. Willie Leahy Aghada
15. Paudie O Sullivan Cloyne

Fir Ionad
16. Declan Dalton Fr O Neills 17. Aidan O Sullivan Castlelyons ,19. Darragh Kelleher Cobh 20. Shane Moroney Castlelyons 21 Aaron Stafford Aghada, 22. Ashley Walsh Cloyne 23. Cian Spriggs Cobh 24. Ciaran Cronin Lisgoold, 25. Keith Dennehy, Cloyne 26. Micheál O Brien St Ita’s , 27. Aaron Dorgan Carrig na bhFear, 28. Jamie Woods, Lisgoold 29. Tim Hartnett Aghada 30. Matthew Mulcahy St Catherines 31. Adrian Kenneally Fr O Neills

Manager; Fergal Condon, Aghada; Coach; Trevor Allen, Na Piarsaigh; Physio, Dave Fitzmaurice

Selectors: - Sean Harnedy, St Ita’s; Aidan Swayne, Fr O Neills and Kieran McGann, Castlelyons

Connorzee

Aaron Stafford for Colm Barry (10min) and Darragh Kelleher for McMahon (49 Min) were the subs

thinkstoomuch1

http://donegalnews.com/2015/04/may-17th-and-tyrone-now-firmly-in-donegals-sights/
This important shows why this false dawn of Sunday must be kept in perspective
Donegal had no interest
This apparently talking by cuthbert cork opened donegal up , imo no they did not in donegal didn't defend with intensity but more like a basketball match no contact
Cork got fourteen goals this league and I see usual media say cork potent goal scoring team and hard to defend against
Half of those were against kerry who left three in and donegal with four left in
Imo it's not as rosy as it's been made out to be, far from it.
There's little mention of cork inability to score from half forward or the awful concession 7-109 with a supposed blanket
Yes cuthbert speaks they must defend better but he said this all league and has done nothing to fix it
The finishing was outstanding but the goals were imo hardly created by cork, more donegal were just open and loose

zetecescort

Cork v Kilkenny challenge match in aid of Jamie Wall, sat 25

http://www.gaacork.ie/news/357248/Cork_v_Kilkenny_Senior_Hurling_Challenge_Friends_of_Jamie_Wall

CORKDOUBLE

What do people think of the Cork minor football team...as usual not much on football around here ....

thinkstoomuch1

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ELECTRIC IRELAND MFC CORK V LIMERICK WED 15TH GAELIC GROUNDS 7PM 13/04/2015

Cork U18 Football team play Limerick in the Electric Ireland Munster Minor Football Championship Q/F Wednesday 15th. April in the Gaelic Grounds, Limerick. Throw-in 7:00pm. Referee: Sean Lonergan (Tipperary). 2 periods of extra time if sides are level after 60 minutes.
The Cork Minor Football team is named as -

1. Chris Kelly (Éire Óg)
2.Nathan Walsh (Douglas)
3.Tiarnan O’Connell (Clonakilty)
4.Conor Dennehy (St. Finbarrs)
5. Sean Powter (Douglas) Capt.
6.Ronan Walsh (Castlehaven)
7.Kevin Dwyer (Macroom)
8.Daniel Ó Duinnin (Cill na Martra)
9. Eoin O’Brien (Douglas)
10.David Lowney (Clonakilty)
11.Gary Murphy (Castletownbere)
12. Conor Hughes (Canovee)
13. Sean McEvoy (Clonakilty)
14. Shane Kingston (Douglas)
15. Stephen Sherlock (St. Finbarrs)
16. Mark White (Clonakilty)
17. Cathal O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
18.Shane O’Driscoll (Glanmire)
19. Seamus Madigan (Buttevant)
20. Stephen Leonard (Ilen Rovers)
21 Ryan Fowley (Buttevant)
22.Shane O’Neill (Killdorrey)
23. Sean Wilson (Douglas)
24 Sean Lucey (Ballincollig)
Tuesday late change to Cork team: No 20 Stephen Leonard (Ilen Rovers) is drafted on to the starting 15 following Shane Kingston's defection due to injury. Evan Ryle (Carrigaline) is added to the bench and will wear no 14.
Management; Donal O’Sullivan (Castletownbere) - Bainsteoir; Andrew McCarthy, (Inniscarra) - Maor Foirne; Tom Dorgan, (Ballincollig); Mick Comyns, (St. Finbarrs); Paul Holland (Argideen Rangers).
Medical Officer: Dr. Fiachra Ó Deasunaigh, (Bishopstown). Physiotherapist: Niamh O’Sullivan, (Castletownbere).
Stats: Brian Walsh (Aghada). Maor Uisce: Mark Byrne (Glanmire), Ollie O’Sullivan

Talib Fiasco

Connorzee wrote: »

Aaron Stafford for Colm Barry (10min) and Darragh Kelleher for McMahon (49 Min) were the subs

Barry did his hamstring. There goes his chances of breaking back into the senior panel

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

What do people think of the Cork minor football team...as usual not much on football around here ....

The talent is undoubtedly in cork minors football but purely management I have no confidence or believe in them at all bar Dorgan
Said many times sullivan terrific coach beara senior coach county title twenty year ago but imo too old school in modern game
Judging by selecting this panel it is like last year better players not starting
One example was Desmond last year not starting original games yet this year gene driscoll etc has him under twenty one panel year after minor
A terrific prospects imo

No surprise the backroom staff has two other club people of he's club with him

I'm not, as these are minors and I always belive critsom minor players you have be bit less blunt,so I'm not going name particular lads but there's a few starters imo who while good club players shouldn't start as imo their is better talent not starting that should be for cork

It's an okay team
I could say there's few faults imo but one is Adam finnegan trained all year up last year didn't make cut but imo terrific player and a top talent that should be there

Madigan is very good prospect with buttevant and should start

Way draw is done cork only chance imo quatre final all Ireland is loose to limerick and then go through round robin avoid kerry til final but then imo not good either as hardly inspires confidence within
Once cork win tommorrow it's likely to be kerry in may

Cork should beat limerick but I would not be surprised if like Waterford last year cork struggled
I can't see cork beating kerry in killarney in may as not only is jack one greatest ever managers like him or not it's irrelevant but kerry with outstanding success of school last Saturday retain the all Ireland cork imo haven't trained to the standard of kerry or picked best talent available or while he once was great club coach, now sullivan is not imo best man for the job
Should win tommorrow though

thinkstoomuch1

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Barry did his hamstring. There goes his chances of breaking back into the senior panel

I wish him the best in he recover
Imo a terrific prospects at half back but not or never will be a full back
Potential senior half back imo

thinkstoomuch1

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

What do people think of the Cork minor football team...as usual not much on football around here ....

I could do a realistic post regards the senior, it probably would be very long as imo their is a lot of problems within the senior team going forward in aspects of the game but I get the feeling there wouldn't be an appetite for such one as imo there's view cork are flying at present and all people want is positivity where it's not that I like negativey, but imo cork football needs reality in viewing the current league so far

I agree totally football in cork should get equal support but the problem is football due to the limited success bar the junior and the under twenty one, imo will unfortunately be the poor relation until success comes and imo that's why to get cork football back at the top where it deserves be, cork football needs realism and when necessary the view to call a spade a spade.

Hurleratheart

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

What do people think of the Cork minor football team...as usual not much on football around here ....

Good luck to footballers tonight

I don't think Cork will play full strengt tonight as Limerick very very poor last year and footballers in limerick in shadow of hurlers

the real test will be against kerry if both team progress tonight and thatl be a different story

delited to see 4 Rochestown lads involved but surprised Evan Ryle not part of original 24 named

thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Good luck to footballers tonight

I don't think Cork will play full strengt tonight as Limerick very very poor last year and footballers in limerick in shadow of hurlers

the real test will be against kerry if both team progress tonight and thatl be a different story

delited to see 4 Rochestown lads involved but surprised Evan Ryle not part of 24 named

I'd agree but problem is look at the panel there's imo not lot scope huge improvement
Totally agree regards Ryle an outstanding player but shows my point this management I said day one are not up this level
There's imo four other top players should be starting
Kerry could beat cork handy I fear

thinkstoomuch1

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Good luck to footballers tonight

I don't think Cork will play full strengt tonight as Limerick very very poor last year and footballers in limerick in shadow of hurlers

the real test will be against kerry if both team progress tonight and thatl be a different story

delited to see 4 Rochestown lads involved but surprised Evan Ryle not part of 24 named

Conor cahalane playing hurling only is huge loss football but he right choose one code
Tim foley huge huge loss also having went rugby and won leinster school with roscres captain them and is son great mark but some place kicker but huge talent rugby played Ireland also
Management are not to blame for these but other top players should be their
Limerick are starting to rebuild from years neglect so not real test cork but remember cork struggled beat poor Waterford last year

Corcaigh Abu1

Looks like Pa Cronin will be fit for the semis. I say JBM will throw him on at some stage as it could be the last competitive outing before championship and Cronin will feature during it so he will need game time. Its good that the injury list is clearing up.

On another note, speedy recovery to Tipps Noel McGrath. the great Joe Dean made a great recovery from the same sickness.

Hurleratheart

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Conor cahalane playing hurling only is huge loss football but he right choose one code
Tim foley huge huge loss also having went rugby and won leinster school with roscres captain them and is son great mark but some place kicker but huge talent rugby played Ireland also
Management are not to blame for these but other top players should be their
Limerick are starting to rebuild from years neglect so not real test cork but remember cork struggled beat poor Waterford last year

Griffin from Rochestown a fine footballer who picked hurling over it - bid demands on duel players so can understand taking a stand on it

likes of Kingston launey under huge pressure

not sure about the lads picking rugby, plenty of rugby academy players would not make minor hurling football panels. Fair play to Tim Foley if thats his choice

I'm sure if alls goes ok tonite well see a different team v kerry the next day. limerick very poor last year and i was told dey had plenty work done then so ill be surprised if big performance from dem tonite

commonsense.

Hurleratheart wrote:

I don't think Cork will play full strengt tonight as Limerick very very poor last year and footballers in limerick in shadow of hurlers

Hurleratheart wrote:

Good luck to footballers tonight

Hurleratheart wrote:

the real test will be against kerry if both team progress tonight and thatl be a different story

Hurleratheart wrote:

delited to see 4 Rochestown lads involved but surprised Evan Ryle not part of 24 named

Eyan ryle drafted and will wear no 14 tonight in shane kingston's absence. Stephen Leonard starting instead of Kingston.
Not much of a football man but agree with you, surprised Ryle can't make that team. Has limitations but with good coaching would be an asset. If they have 24 better they're bankers for an AI!!!

CORKDOUBLE

Good luck to the Minors tonight ...i know its the same for all teams but surely there is a better system than this ...it might be better if Cork lost tonight .....REBELS ABU....

Cu Baire

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Good luck to the Minors tonight ...i know its the same for all teams but surely there is a better system than this ...it might be better if Cork lost tonight .....REBELS ABU....

Unfortunately even if they wanted to they wouldn't lose tonight.

thinkstoomuch1

Cu Baire wrote: »

Unfortunately even if they wanted to they wouldn't lose tonight.

I'd agree
I geuinely hope limerick give a good display and put up a good performance for two reasons
One I have good time for limerick football and would like them to do good

And the last thing I want is cork hammer them cork get a false dawn and think all is fine for kerry
I'm not quite sure this cork set up will learn lessons even so but at least a good showing by limerick would be better preparation for cork
I think limerick could give cork a good game and the cork team imo is not the strongest bar a few outstanding individuals

zetecescort

Cork 1-6 Limerick 1-1 15min

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Cork 2-9 Limerick 2-2 HT

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Cork 2-13 Limerick 2-4 45min

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Cork 2-15 Limerick 2-7 FT

wins for Tipp and Kerry also

CORKDOUBLE

Anyone at the game last night ? Its Kerry now on the 13th. of May ......will Kerry be very strong favourites ....we could do with winning a Minor football title ....indeed the Minor footballers , Minor hurlers and U21 hurlers could all do with some silverware this year ....