Farm safety grants

Feckthis

Cow Porter wrote: »

The 2000 minimum spend exc vat may have alot of lads out from the start

Are you serious? I was going to go for a calving gate. But obviously I can't now.

diesel druggie

No grant payable if you replace slats and still have the agitation point inside emphasis is on getting the agitation point outside

And yes there is a minimum spend of 2000

Reggie.

Seems to be plenty of conditions appearing in these grants

Limestone Cowboy

Count Mondego wrote: »

Any link to this rotating rump bar or can you describe it? Can't visualize this.

Something akin to this one O Donovan's do. http://www.odonovaneng.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Centurion-rotationg-rump-bar.JPG

Hugh 2

diesel druggie wrote: »

No grant payable if you replace slats and still have the agitation point inside emphasis is on getting the agitation point outside

That has me my tanks are all on pillars so need to have many agitation points inside --will have to stick to grouping and replacing broken slats with steel manholes.

diesel druggie wrote: »

And yes there is a minimum spend of 2000

I wonder can you apply for several items to get grant i.e. calving gate a small portable crush a scoop for existing crush?
and if one gets refused could you loose grant for all the eligible


I am also thinking put in four agitation points on outside and tackle the inside single slats at a later time after all stock will be well in by the time any approvals are received.

Hugh 2

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Something akin to this one O Donovan's do. http://www.odonovaneng.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Centurion-rotationg-rump-bar.JPG

I think that that would be ideal short enough to bring on back of tractor or front of loader but will it pass the minimum length of portable crush for grant approval ?

sandydan

diesel druggie wrote: »

No grant payable if you replace slats and still have the agitation point inside emphasis is on getting the agitation point outside

And yes there is a minimum spend of 2000

does that mean the agitation point can be in a gang slat that is outside the shed so a pump can be used.or a point outside wall as is used by propeller agitators.
i like the backing/entry gate system used in mart best as getting gate shut before animal reverses is my major headache or finger crusher as well as well as getting plastered with crap in process,
the simpler single bar backing device could be used in conjunction with this ,sure anyone could make that themselves with a welder, a hacksaw and a drill. length of pipe, box section, and half inch bolt 3 inches long

keep going

Kileir wrote: »

Anyone else read through the S101C MINIMUM SPECIFICATION FOR RETROFITTING ROOF CLEAR SHEETS (ROOFLIGHTS) WITH SAFETY GRID yet? If I'm reading it correctly then it appears to consist of galvanised 16mm rebars with a bend at the end (sort of like a walking stick) that run the length of the rooflight from purlin to purlin spaced 6 inches apart so will run in every second ridge of standard 10/3 profile roof cladding. Should be enough to fit but what the hell are they looking for "concrete" and "slat" certificates for in section 3?? Looks like someone rushed this document through


3 Certificates
The following certificates shall be collected, and given to the Department before grant-aid can be paid:
(1) “Slat” Certificate
(2) “Concrete” Certificate

Saw a similar job done with inch blue band that was very tasty looking, wonder would that qualify.glad to see there something being done for it

The Cuban

And don't forget the most important cert of all,

The good old Tax Clearance Certificate

Bodacious

I was only going to go for leg hoist and head scoop but I guess I can't as Won't be near the 2k mark ?

Brass Tag

Read about a quarter of the way through the terms and conditions. Manna from heaven for box tickers.
The bull and baloney around repairing or replacing old roof lights says it all.
Think I'll pass to be honest!

Brass Tag

Feckthis wrote: »

Are you serious? I was going to go for a calving gate. But obviously I can't now.

Course you can. I'll sell you my calving gate for €2k.

Bodacious

Trying to get this clear in my own head,


as its net of vat (E2460 in invoices) if I were to buy the headscoop E550, Leg hoist E280, Weighing scales E1230.. id still have to buy a second headscoop (if allowed) or a calving gate (not needed) to go over the €2,430 inc vat

so if you get approved for say €2,100 net of vat of improvements @ 40% = E840 back next August 2015 but can you still claim back your €483 of vat through the vat 56 form ??

Zr105

Bodacious wrote: »

Trying to get this clear in my own head,


as its net of vat (E2460 in invoices) if I were to buy the headscoop E550, Leg hoist E280, Weighing scales E1230.. id still have to buy a second headscoop (if allowed) or a calving gate (not needed) to go over the €2,430 inc vat

so if you get approved for say €2,100 net of vat of improvements @ 40% = E840 back next August 2015 but can you still claim back your €483 of vat through the vat 56 form ??

You might get the bat back on the scoop if it's fixed solid, and the leg hoist but don't think they will give cat back on scales as they can be moved around.

diesel druggie

Would you get it back on slats either even though theyare a fixed item Remember that they are are a repair o or replace so in my opinion that would be rejected by revenue

Any one think im wrong 40% minus 23% ( if you buy them and fit them yourself) really only gives you a grant of 17%

Deepsouthwest

diesel druggie wrote: »

Would you get it back on slats either even though theyare a fixed item Remember that they are are a repair o or replace so in my opinion that would be rejected by revenue

Any one think im wrong 40% minus 23% ( if you buy them and fit them yourself) really only gives you a grant of 17%

Its 40% of the cost before vat, eg. a scales costing €1000 + 23.5% vat = €1235. Grant will be 40% of €1000 = €400. Fair point on the slats, but slats have always had the vat repaid on them, can't see this changing. I probably wouldn't mention they're replacing old slats either in the form though!

Brown Podzol

diesel druggie wrote: »

Would you get it back on slats either even though theyare a fixed item Remember that they are are a repair o or replace so in my opinion that would be rejected by revenue

Any one think im wrong 40% minus 23% ( if you buy them and fit them yourself) really only gives you a grant of 17%

You can get the vat back if the job is an improvement on the previous situation.

diesel druggie

Yep I know what you mean but what I mean is you may not get the vat refund so in theory thats 40 that you get less 23 that you may not get

Either way idbe wording the form to suit

Brass Tag

diesel druggie wrote: »

Would you get it back on slats either even though theyare a fixed item Remember that they are are a repair o or replace so in my opinion that would be rejected by revenue

Any one think im wrong 40% minus 23% ( if you buy them and fit them yourself) really only gives you a grant of 17%

Rest assured there will be an average 20% price increase compared to today's prices on products under this scheme which are purely for farm purposes.
Slats, head yokes, weighing scales, mobile crushes etc,.
By the time you are finished with those kind of things the value if the grant will be well diluted compared to doing it at today's prices out of your own resources.

Other products under this scheme such as lighting, cabling, distribution boards etc will not see price increase as hear are used in domestic and general industry.

tripperman

i priced a roller door for the hay shed two weeks ago, decided i would ring yesterday and check price again, theres 450 on the price now, he says the steel is going up in price, ill doing a sliding door instead

Reggie.

tripperman wrote: »

i priced a roller door for the hay shed two weeks ago, decided i would ring yesterday and check price again, theres 450 on the price now, he says the steel is going up in price, ill doing a sliding door instead

Ya have to love the irish industries

Mulumpy

Its a great scheme if ya have a lot of money to spend but the 2k ceiling rules a lot of people out. I intended putting in a calving gate this year but may put it off now as suppliers are gonna hike up their prices.

tripperman

Reggie. wrote: »

Ya have to love the irish industries

ah you got to, right as a grant announced price of steel goes up

tanko

Got the form yesterday, these are the payment rates.

Cattle Handling Facilities

Mobile cattle crush (min 2.4m long). €1,568.00 each

Mobile cattle penning max 75 linear metres (in combination with a cattle handling unit). €43.50 per linear metre

Mobile cattle weighing scales €1,164.00 each

Leg Hoist/Lifter €378.70 each

Head scoop €251.70 each


Slat Replacement / Tank Covers / Tank Fencing

Safety fencing for external slurry and effluent stores €54.70 per linear metre

Solid cover for external slurry and effluent stores €57.10 per metre squared

Safety covers on external agitation points or manholes. €407.00 each

Replacement of damaged slats (single/twin/gang) or removal of existing internal agitation point and replacement by gang slat. €56.80 per metre squared

Replacement of end wall of tank and provision of external agitation point €4,125 each.

Circulation pipe (6") to allow for agitation of slurry. €13.30 per linear metre

Simple Aeration Systems. €58.05 per metre squared of tank

Installation of calving gates €148.90 per linear metre

Safety rails on silo walls. €23.30 per linear metre

Replacement of a hinged door/sheeted gate with a new sliding door/roller door on agricultural buildings. €84.80 per metre squared

Retrofitting roof clear sheet (roof light) with safety cages €47.50 per clear light

Wiring / Rewiring existing farm building. €6.70 per metre squared

Yard Lights (min 200W equivalent, either metal halide or LED) €237.50 per item


Mobile Sheep Handling Facilities

Mobile sheep spraying equipment on trailer €9,500 per item

Mobile sheep spraying equipment, without trailer. €3705.00 per item

Portable sheep handling race with wheels (including footbah). €3,186.54 per item

Portable basic sheep handling race €881.96 per item

Mobile sheep weighing scales €845.92 per item

Mobile sheep rollover crate. €847.92 per item

Mobile sheep "batch" footbath. €654.02 per item

Mobile sheep penning max 75 linear metres (in combination with a sheep handling unit) €27.93 per linear metre

Mobile sheep adoption unit front €111.05 per item

Mobile sheep adoption unit front with penning. €224.08 per item

Mad4simmental

Don't think I'll bother with this atall. I'll get a nice scales on dd next year with all the new ones going to be orderd! :-)

Cow Porter

tanko wrote: »

Got the form yesterday, these are the payment rates.

Cattle Handling Facilities

Mobile cattle crush (min 2.4m long). €1,568.00 each

Mobile cattle penning max 75 linear metres (in combination with a cattle handling unit). €43.50 per linear metre

Mobile cattle weighing scales €1,164.00 each

Leg Hoist/Lifter €378.70 each

Head scoop €251.70 each


Slat Replacement / Tank Covers / Tank Fencing

Safety fencing for external slurry and effluent stores €54.70 per linear metre

Solid cover for external slurry and effluent stores €57.10 per metre squared

Safety covers on external agitation points or manholes. €407.00 each

Replacement of damaged slats (single/twin/gang) or removal of existing internal agitation point and replacement by gang slat. €56.80 per metre squared

Replacement of end wall of tank and provision of external agitation point €4,125 each.

Circulation pipe (6") to allow for agitation of slurry. €13.30 per linear metre

Simple Aeration Systems. €58.05 per metre squared of tank

Installation of calving gates €148.90 per linear metre

Safety rails on silo walls. €23.30 per linear metre

Replacement of a hinged door/sheeted gate with a new sliding door/roller door on agricultural buildings. €84.80 per metre squared

Retrofitting roof clear sheet (roof light) with safety cages €47.50 per clear light

Wiring / Rewiring existing farm building. €6.70 per metre squared

Yard Lights (min 200W equivalent, either metal halide or LED) €237.50 per item


Mobile Sheep Handling Facilities

Mobile sheep spraying equipment on trailer €9,500 per item

Mobile sheep spraying equipment, without trailer. €3705.00 per item

Portable sheep handling race with wheels (including footbah). €3,186.54 per item

Portable basic sheep handling race €881.96 per item

Mobile sheep weighing scales €845.92 per item

Mobile sheep rollover crate. €847.92 per item

Mobile sheep "batch" footbath. €654.02 per item

Mobile sheep penning max 75 linear metres (in combination with a sheep handling unit) €27.93 per linear metre

Mobile sheep adoption unit front €111.05 per item

Mobile sheep adoption unit front with penning. €224.08 per item

Where did ya get the list? Doesn't seem to be online

tanko

Got it from an agricultural consultant.

newholland

I have single slats in the middle if a 5 bad shed for agitating. If I replace this with one with concrete manhole will this be covered under grant?

If not can you put steel manhole in shed?

If I replaced end single slats with a man hole is this covered?

tanko

newholland wrote: »

I have single slats in the middle if a 5 bad shed for agitating. If I replace this with one with concrete manhole will this be covered under grant?

If not can you put steel manhole in shed?

If I replaced end single slats with a man hole is this covered?

I could be wrong but anything that involves agitating slurry inside a shed isn't covered. You could replace slats outside the shed with a gang slat with an opening for agitating and that would be covered.

The Cuban

Cow Porter wrote: »

Where did ya get the list? Doesn't seem to be online

Doesn't seem to be online[/QUOTE]

You just need to be connected to the CIA to find it !

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/farmbuildings/farmbuildingspecifications/pdfversions/FarmSafetySchemeReferenceCostsandExplanatoryNotes221014.pdf

Now don't ye all thank me at once now

Muckit

Bodacious wrote: »

I was only going to go for leg hoist and head scoop but I guess I can't as Won't be near the 2k mark ?

You'd wonder was it primarily dreamt up to improve farmer welfare at all or was it for the benefit of the agri engineering sector. I'm so cynical!!!

sea12

Muckit wrote: »

You'd wonder was it primarily dreamt up to improve farmer welfare at all or was it for the benefit of the agri engineering sector. I'm so cynical!!!

Yep would agree with you Mickit. Why didn't they take a price survey before they announced it and use that as a bench mark. This **** of engineering firms raising the price to take up the grant would drive you mad

st1979

bypass the crap and go north or uk. its up to you the farmer to get value. unfortunate but best answer

I said

st1979 wrote: »

bypass the crap and go north or uk. its up to you the farmer to get value. unfortunate but best answer

Correct fcuk the greedy fcukers,parasites any excuse same with the slatted shed grants.

nhg

When we put up our new crush & pens end of 2013/early 2014 we were refused the vat refund on the head scoop because it wasn't fixed - even though we had it welded to the head gate.
Wouldn't mind having a scales though.

diesel druggie

nhg wrote: »

When we put up our new crush & pens end of 2013/early 2014 we were refused the vat refund on the head scoop because it wasn't fixed - even though we had it welded to the head gate.
Wouldn't mind having a scales though.

This is what I was trying to say earlier it will be 40% minus 23% vat so its really a grant of 17%

Farmer Pudsey

diesel druggie wrote: »

This is what I was trying to say earlier it will be 40% minus 23% vat so its really a grant of 17%

As far as I know you can claim vat back on scales. I think vat regulations were changed last year and a few things were added that you could claim vat back on Hedging and weighing scales were two.

As well your calculation is wrong if vat was included it is a 26% grant. As vat is added to total the sum is 123/ so

123X0.4= 49.2 of grant aid. this leaves cost of grant aided equipment at 73.8% of ex vat cost so if you could not reclaim vat grant is 26.2%. Not to be sniffed at either.

diesel druggie

nhg wrote: »

When we put up our new crush & pens end of 2013/early 2014 we were refused the vat refund on the head scoop because it wasn't fixed - even though we had it welded to the head gate.
Wouldn't mind having a scales though.

This is what I was trying to say earlier it will be 40% minus 23% vat so its really a grant of 17%

Farmer Pudsey

diesel druggie wrote: »

This is what I was trying to say earlier it will be 40% minus 23% vat so its really a grant of 17%

Look at the calculation above.

diesel druggie

Thought that they would only pay the grant on the nett amount ie 100% less grant of 40% Nett amount payable is then 60% If you could not claim the vat back then you would be out that cost too although I think you were nearly forget about the vat reclain and use it as an expense straight away

diesel druggie

Thought that they would only pay the grant on the nett amount ie 100% less grant of 40% Nett amount payable is then 60% If you could not claim the vat back then you would be out that cost too although I think you were nearly forget about the vat reclain and use it as an expense straight away

epfff

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

As far as I know you can claim vat back on scales. I think vat regulations were changed last year and a few things were added that you could claim vat back on Hedging and weighing scales were two.

As well your calculation is wrong if vat was included it is a 26% grant. As vat is added to total the sum is 123/ so

123X0.4= 49.2 of grant aid. this leaves cost of grant aided equipment at 7





Thought the cattle and sheep equipment had to be mobile so no vat reclaim so surly grant is on full cost

Reggie.

So it begins :rolleyes:
http://www.donedeal.ie/farmsheds-for-sale/farm-grant-lighting/7958678

Farmer Pudsey

diesel druggie wrote: »

Thought that they would only pay the grant on the nett amount ie 100% less grant of 40% Nett amount payable is then 60% If you could not claim the vat back then you would be out that cost too although I think you were nearly forget about the vat reclain and use it as an expense straight away

Last year a lot of vat rated mobile equipment was changed so you could claim vat. I think mobile sheep penning was one along with hedging and weighting scales.

When you get a grant on non vat refundable equipment the vat is on total amount unless you are vat registered. As far as I know when slurry tankers were grant aided you got 40% of total unless vat registered. Not 100% sure but that is from memory.

sandydan

Reggie. wrote: »

So it begins :rolleyes:
http://www.donedeal.ie/farmsheds-for-sale/farm-grant-lighting/7958678

is that not €30 euro up on price of 100w a month ago

Reggie.

sandydan wrote: »

is that not €30 euro up on price of 100w a month ago

No idea but I bought 30w LEDs for 35 euro a few weeks back

orm0nd

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Last year a lot of vat rated mobile equipment was changed so you could claim vat. I think mobile sheep penning was one along with hedging and weighting scales.

When you get a grant on non vat refundable equipment the vat is on total amount unless you are vat registered. As far as I know when slurry tankers were grant aided you got 40% of total unless vat registered. Not 100% sure but that is from memory.

vacuum tankers were 40% of price excluding vat not on the total


some of the "mobile" sheep penning/race manufacturers have brackets for bolting them down , after vat refund these brackets don't get much use !!

orm0nd

sandydan wrote: »

is that not €30 euro up on price of 100w a month ago

I bought a similar 200 w for 64€ about 18 months ago

I said

http://www.donedeal.ie/view/6913906
mobile cattle crushes
Had a look at this Saturday serious bit of kit

Reggie.

I said wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/view/6913906
mobile cattle crushes
Had a look at this Saturday serious bit of kit

Know him alright. Does have nice stuff in the yard alright