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Two yr old boy stabbed to death in dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Hope whoever did it gets a fair trial and if found guilty a tough sentence.

    Sadly this is Ireland, a suspended sentence with a stern "don't do it again!" from the judge is all we can really hope for. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Mental illness is a horrible thing.

    Story really does send shivers down your spine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    Poor kid that's a fairly severe death


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 709 ✭✭✭jodaw


    RIP little angel.

    Speaking as the father of an almost 2 year old boy this is beyond comprehension to me. I wish i could have taken the knife for him.

    What kind of monsters walk amongst us?

    so so sad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    MOD

    Take the gender war to another thread please


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    It's so absolutely heartbreaking to hear of this little boys death. To think that when I was drinking my tea today around two o clock that this little baby was killed a few miles away is unbelievable. I keep thinking of him alone in a morgue. Something has to be done to ensure children in danger are helped so we don't see more of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,063 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Someone who takes their child's life is obviously ill. This kind of thing does not happen without some reason. God bless the little angel.
    I am thinking of my own little grandchildren tonight and hoping they're safe and well.Will call to them tomorrow and spoil them a little.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ryanf1 wrote: »
    Mental illness is a horrible thing.

    Story really does send shivers down your spine

    Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

    The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,048 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

    The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.

    I suspect, though, that cases like today's one are rarely the result of human plain and downright evil. I would guess that a majority are a result of some form of mental illness.

    As I said earlier, I don't know, and nobody else does either.

    But that's my opinion.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Come away, O human child!
    To the waters and the wild
    With a faery hand in hand,
    For the world's more full of weeping than you can understand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

    The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.

    As the poster before you (tayto lover) said, someone that takes their childs life is obviously unwell. I agree with you that there is evil in this world but without knowing the full facts my suspicions are that pure evil wasn't the cause here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 Tails!


    Not attacking your post, but part of the problem in cases like these IMO is the immediate assumption of mental illness without any evidence to suggest it.

    The fact that evil human beings exist is something nobody likes to acknowledge. Sometimes vile acts are not the product of mental illness, just the product of someone being a complete monster. And those people, once identified, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids or other vulnerable people.

    I guess its just hard to believe that people actually choose to do things like this. I find it hard to believe people do these things when they don't suffer from a mental illness etc but unfortunately I know bad people do exist :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Someone who takes their child's life is obviously ill. This kind of thing does not happen without some reason. God bless the little angel.
    I am thinking of my own little grandchildren tonight and hoping they're safe and well.Will call to them tomorrow and spoil them a little.

    Nice 1 TL, and an extra long hug for them.

    Heard someone say before we should hug our children/grandchildren until they want to let go, they are young for a small time only.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Lyger


    What if badness/evil is the result of being mentally disturbed though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Lyger wrote: »
    What if badness/evil is the result of being mentally disturbed though.

    Well its an unfortunate reality is often the case.
    But when a person suffering from psychiatric illness commits such an act, it is done irrationally and without thought of the act itself or its consequences.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭delw


    What could possibly go through someones head to do something like this, i just dont understand
    Anyway like others have said my little fella got an extra tight hug going to bed tonight

    RIP to the little boy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭ElizaT33


    I'm very sad to hear about this poor child. I know there's cases of mental illness related to such tragic cases - but please people read up the psychotic side effects of drugs on people who may be the parents of some of these poor kids - a pattern is developing IMO:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    ElizaT33 wrote: »
    I'm very sad to hear about this poor child. I know there's cases of mental illness related to such tragic cases - but please people read up the psychotic side effects of drugs on people who may be the parents of some of these poor kids - a pattern is developing IMO:mad:

    Correct. It raises questions on child protection services if it is a case that drugs were involved. There are facts to this that we don't know and may never know but one thing I think is clear is that no mother would ever cut her childs neck if she was thinking rationally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Means Of Escape


    Lyger wrote: »
    What if badness/evil is the result of being mentally disturbed though.

    It is


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,435 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    Bloody hell, poor kid.


    RIP


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,444 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It is


    It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

    This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,048 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

    This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

    Bit late for that.

    But I agree wholeheartedly with you, FWIW.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

    This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

    No one can concisely grab a knife and stab a child without something being seriously fcuked up inside their head


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    It isn't, and there is no mention of mental illness, disorder or disturbance in any of the media reports on this case.

    This is a terrible tragedy for all the people involved, and it doesn't help anyone to engage in speculation before any facts of the case are known.

    There are most certainly facts we don't know, and may never know. But as I said in my last post, no right minded person would do this so I think its safe to put 2 and 2 together and suspect there are mental issues gong on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭tritium


    RIP little guy, may the angels hold you close tonight.

    Wanted to cry when I first heard this. I look at my own kids and wonder how anyone could harm such a beautiful little innocent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    There are some sick fucks in this world. People found guilty of crimes like this should do serious time and have their tubes cut/tied so they can't inflict pain or torture on their own again.

    Felt sick when I heard of how this wee man died, after thinking it was a case of child neglict or some sort of accident.

    RIP wee man. Sleep well with the angels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    Shocking story, may the poor boy rest in peace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    HSE drop the ball and deliver a child back to a psychologically deranged mother.
    Innocent child gets murdered.
    HSE have an "investigation".
    Nothing happens. No dismissals.
    Taxpayer pays in excess of €100k annually to incarcerate the mother.

    I hate this country.

    Hassan Khan RIP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Zamboni wrote: »
    HSE drop the ball and deliver a child back to a psychologically deranged mother.
    Innocent child gets murdered.
    HSE have an "investigation".
    Nothing happens. No dismissals.
    Taxpayer pays in excess of €100k annually to incarcerate the mother.

    I hate this country.

    Hassan Khan RIP

    The HSE strikes again. Appears now that this child was known to be at risk so why was he not taken into care?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    Zamboni wrote: »
    HSE drop the ball and deliver a child back to a psychologically deranged mother.
    Innocent child gets murdered.
    HSE have an "investigation".
    Nothing happens. No dismissals.
    Taxpayer pays in excess of €100k annually to incarcerate the mother.

    I hate this country.

    Hassan Khan RIP


    Edit: post above says it was known he was at risk so my post is irrelevant and it seems hse failed the little boy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I hate when we use the words like "tragedy" in cases like this in Ireland it glosses over the fact that a brutal act of violence ending in murder has been perpetrated on an innocent little boy

    RIP:(


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But the violent death of a baby - or anyone - IS a tragedy. It might be a result of a heinous crime, but it's still also a tragedy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭caustic 1


    No one knows what state of mind the people involved were in. It is awful that another child is dead at the hands of a parent, I can still feel empathy though, in my head they must have been ill to cause harm to their child.

    Also my understanding is that he was on the radar of HSE but was deemed safe. Of course now there will be an investigation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,902 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    vicwatson wrote: »
    And a subsequent report finding the little lad safe and well, if only he could be safe and well now.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/missing-toddler-2-and-father-61-found-safe-and-well-30497329.html

    Whatever the **** was going on between the parents at this point you'd have to ask why the **** did they have a child if they were gonna mess up the poor chaps life, sorry I'm very angry over this. GRRRRRRRRRRRRR :mad::mad:
    Sounds like mother was a nut job, father took him to be safe. Guards and HSE returned child to mother. I don't think your being fair to the father.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,902 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    MOD

    Take the gender war to another thread please

    Well it's the fundamental basis of the incident. Fathers have very little legal rights with regards access to the kids especially unmarried ones, the courts tend to favour the mother. This incident could result in a complete Overhaul of family law in this country. Had the mother taken the child would they have given the father the child?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,127 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    ted1 wrote: »
    Well it's the fundamental basis of the incident. Fathers have very little legal rights with regards access to the kids especially unmarried ones, the courts tend to favour the mother. This incident could result in a complete Overhaul of family law in this country. Had the mother taken the child would they have given the father the child?

    Absolutely agreed.
    Had the father been given custody, the child could possibly be alive today. Although the courts always say the best interests of the child come first, its really whatever the mother wants she gets.


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mod

    Two posters infracted for ignoring mod instruction.

    Please remember that responding to mod action on thread is against site rules.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    The_Mask wrote: »
    Poor lad, been through so much in his short life, very sad. Hopefully his mother will do actual jail time and not just therapy.

    Do you really think mentally ill people should be in prison? Seriously though, I hope you never suffer any kind of mental breakdown. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭asteroids over berlin


    I would hope the person responsible has some sort of illness/disorder/depression etc, not that that's any excuse of course, can't be the action of any sane person!

    RIP little one


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Do you really think mentally ill people should be in prison?

    What would you do with a mentality I'll person who violently takes another life?

    Whether mountjoy or Dundrum, incarceration is indeed necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    Do you really think mentally ill people should be in prison? Seriously though, I hope you never suffer any kind of mental breakdown. :(

    Anyone who stabs an innocent 2 year old to death should never see the light of day again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Irishcrx


    Truly awful stuff, a poor innocent 2 year old. I can't and never will understand how anybody could hurt a child , let alone their own child.

    If they are depressed, on medication whatever they shouldn't be in the care of the child at all in that case.

    There is no excuse for it , if you are in that bad a state of mind why kill the child? What has that child done to deserve it? Nothing.

    Kill yourself so , but leave the ****ing children alone to live their life they have done nothing. I don't mean to be cold , but I just can't understand why these people can't just kill themselves if they are in that state why do they have to kill the innocent children.

    RIP little lad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    Lost for words here.
    A child of two years old? Wtf. A completely innocent child who's life has hardly begun.
    Hope the scruff who done it never sees the light of day again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Imagine being one of the gardai who attended the scene, and who investigates this. Of course the asshole protestors at the water 'protests' never think of these things when they abuse them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    ryanf1 wrote: »
    The HSE strikes again. Appears now that this child was known to be at risk so why was he not taken into care?

    Before we start throwing stones, let's wait for the facts to come out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Imagine being one of the gardai who attended the scene, and who investigates this. Of course the asshole protestors at the water 'protests' never think of these things when they abuse them.

    Unpopular opinion, but here we are. An Garda Síochána are one of the best police forces in the western world. I wouldn't do an eight hour shift for €10,000. I mean that. The absolute crap they put up with. It's the judicial and legal system that needs to be badly reformed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Pobb


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Imagine being one of the gardai who attended the scene, and who investigates this. Of course the asshole protestors at the water 'protests' never think of these things when they abuse them.

    You know what this thread about a two year old murdered boy needs?

    More water protest debate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Another example of the failure of the HSE to manage their workers properly.

    I refuse to try the person responsible. Thats a matter for the courts.
    And i'm willing to bet it's a number of things that are missed/overlooked because case workers are just not capable/willing to do their job properly.
    Maybe the gardai involved should be looked at too to see if there was something they missed.

    This type of thing happens too often. And the system in this country is failing those who desperately need it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Another example of the failure of the HSE to manage their workers properly.

    I refuse to try the person responsible. Thats a matter for the courts.
    And i'm willing to bet it's a number of things that are missed/overlooked because case workers are just not capable/willing to do their job properly.
    Maybe the gardai involved should be looked at too to see if there was something they missed.

    This type of thing happens too often. And the system in this country is failing those who desperately need it.

    We don't know what happened. We haven't a breeze who done or didn't do what yet. Put down your stone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Pobb wrote: »
    You know what this thread about a two year old murdered boy needs?

    More water protest debate.

    Or the point made regarding the real hard and emotional crap they get put through that's not appreciated by a lot of people they're there to protect.


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