Another Anti Crime page setup gone downhill

Rubberchikken

Why does it come to this?
If these peole are causing bother then why don't peopke make proper complaints to the gardai?

This country ends up looking like a back water hole when residents of this area have to act like this to deal with anti social behaviour

The Bowling Alley

Lot of people jumping on the bandwagon.

There were only about 30 protestors and about 200 on-lookers.

wonderfulname

The Bowling Alley wrote: »

Lot of people jumping on the bandwagon.

There were only about 30 protestors and about 200 on-lookers.

Anyone protesting the protesters?

Potential-Monke

There were more criminals in the protest than in the houses.

BlaasForRafa

jayboi wrote: »

Also who hired the solicitor from Dublin?

Heard Pavee Point are involved now. So it'll be "sure they never did nothin to nobody, it's just pure racism yadda yadda yadda"

artful_codger

Digital Society wrote: »

How does someone rent a house to a group like this and not know?

Do they not see them at the start to get deposits and that?

The Rental Accommodation Scheme. I looked into it years ago when i considered renting out my place. Guaranteed rent for x amount of years from the Government...sounds alright! Oh but you have no say in who we put in there. We pay you below market rate because it's a long term agreement. We won't tell you anything about them. You manage the tenants. We don't check references and we don't reimburse you if the place is wrecked.

F*uck off!

giles lynchwood

I was in an insurance office on the quay about a month ago the first thing hit me was the smell of B.O.,sitting at the desk were 3 Roma men (stinking out the whole office) that I have seen many times hanging around red square while their women with children were begging on the street. One of them counted out 700 euro in lovely crisp:mad: 50 euro notes to pay for car insurance.So to all the people who encourage begging by taking pity on them and then giving them money,this is where your money is going.YOU MUST BE VERY PROUD !.

taytobreath

giles lynchwood wrote: »

I was in an insurance office on the quay about a month ago the first thing hit me was the smell of B.O.,sitting at the desk were 3 Roma men (stinking out the whole office) that I have seen many times hanging around red square while their women with children were begging on the street. One of them counted out 700 euro in lovely crisp:mad: 50 euro notes to pay for car insurance.So to all the people who encourage begging by taking pity on them and then giving them money,this is where your money is going.YOU MUST BE VERY PROUD !.

Sounds like a law abiding citizen keeping their car insurance up to date with a body odour issue to me:rolleyes:

Sully

See here are a couple examples of how mob rule doesn't work.

1) People have been posting on Facebook identifying a house on the street as the house the people have been staying in. This is false. The house in question has been lived in by an Irish family for a number of years.

2) Again on Facebook, the person running the page (who wishes to remain anonymous!) basically accused the Gardai of lying to the protesters. The post said that the Gardai are saying nobody is in the house but they can see people looking out the window. Guess what? The Gardai escorted two people, at two different times, into the building to check. There was nobody in the house. I guess the person on Facebook was seeing a ghost.

Also, they appeared not to have a notion what house to target on William St. I asked a number of people and was met with shrugs, 'I think' and 'Don't know'. It was between two houses in the end. One would wonder what the residents in the area thought, knowing what had happened the night before when the mob turned angry.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

See here are a couple examples of how mob rule doesn't work.

1) People have been posting on Facebook identifying a house on the street as the house the people have been staying in. This is false. The house in question has been lived in by an Irish family for a number of years.

2) Again on Facebook, the person running the page (who wishes to remain anonymous!) basically accused the Gardai of lying to the protesters. The post said that the Gardai are saying nobody is in the house but they can see people looking out the window. Guess what? The Gardai escorted two people, at two different times, into the building to check. There was nobody in the house. I guess the person on Facebook was seeing a ghost.

Also, they appeared not to have a notion what house to target on William St. I asked a number of people and was met with shrugs, 'I think' and 'Don't know'. It was between two houses in the end. One would wonder what the residents in the area thought, knowing what had happened the night before when the mob turned angry.

Yep. Doesn't excuse it. But what to do about the criminals who have the criminal behaviour engrained into "their culture". And which the authorities seem unable - or unwilling - to do anything about.

MRnotlob606

When will there be a protest against money lenders drug dealers ? seems though if its a specific ethnic group the people will be up in arms and holding pitchforks, but when its our own people there's a comfortably numb silence about it.

somebaldyfela

Sully wrote: »

See here are a couple examples of how mob rule doesn't work.

1) People have been posting on Facebook identifying a house on the street as the house the people have been staying in. This is false. The house in question has been lived in by an Irish family for a number of years.

2) Again on Facebook, the person running the page (who wishes to remain anonymous!) basically accused the Gardai of lying to the protesters. The post said that the Gardai are saying nobody is in the house but they can see people looking out the window. Guess what? The Gardai escorted two people, at two different times, into the building to check. There was nobody in the house. I guess the person on Facebook was seeing a ghost.

Also, they appeared not to have a notion what house to target on William St. I asked a number of people and was met with shrugs, 'I think' and 'Don't know'. It was between two houses in the end. One would wonder what the residents in the area thought, knowing what had happened the night before when the mob turned angry.

The right house was identified Sully,I know because I lived in a bedsit in the building until February of this year.I was on a Jobbridge scheme and it was all I could afford at the time.

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

Yep. Doesn't excuse it. But what to do about the criminals who have the criminal behaviour engrained into "their culture". And which the authorities seem unable - or unwilling - to do anything about.

What about every other criminal behaviour in the City? What about the house that got a petrol bomb thrown in their window causing serious injury? Do we have a mob for these incidents too?

The Gardai carried out a number of raids on their house and charges were pending. The legal system takes time and you need to build a solid case.

somebaldyfela wrote: »

The right house was identified Sully,I know because I lived in a bedsit in the building until February of this year.I was on a Jobbridge scheme and it was all I could afford at the time.

The house they attacked was the correct house but there were also people getting the house mixed up and identifying another house which had nothing to do with it.

Digital Society

Sully wrote: »

See here are a couple examples of how mob rule doesn't work.

1) People have been posting on Facebook identifying a house on the street as the house the people have been staying in. This is false. The house in question has been lived in by an Irish family for a number of years.

2) Again on Facebook, the person running the page (who wishes to remain anonymous!) basically accused the Gardai of lying to the protesters. The post said that the Gardai are saying nobody is in the house but they can see people looking out the window. Guess what? The Gardai escorted two people, at two different times, into the building to check. There was nobody in the house. I guess the person on Facebook was seeing a ghost.

Also, they appeared not to have a notion what house to target on William St. I asked a number of people and was met with shrugs, 'I think' and 'Don't know'. It was between two houses in the end. One would wonder what the residents in the area thought, knowing what had happened the night before when the mob turned angry.

Are you saying you where there in the group?

mire

When you have this kind of thing going on [marching on certain groups' houses], you know a city is going down the gutter. It's a sad reflection on how far this proud city has gone. Scraping the barrel of respectability. All the defenses offered here are pathetic. It's nothing but nasty and base racism; nothing less, nothing more.

This has happened before. It has historical precedence.

Waterford should be ashamed of this. It's sad and nasty.

Sully

Digital Society wrote: »

Are you saying you where there in the group?

What group?

kryogen

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

When will there be a protest against money lenders drug dealers ? seems though if its a specific ethnic group the people will be up in arms and holding pitchforks, but when its our own people there's a comfortably numb silence about it.

You missed the vigilantism up in Dublin back before we even had any foddeners in the country I take it?

We have money lending drug dealers in Waterford, but they are also of a specific ethnic group so I guess we can't protest them for fear of being classed as discriminatory?

In fact, John Hearne is discriminating isn't he with his campaign

kryogen

mire wrote: »

When you have this kind of thing going on [marching on certain groups' houses], you know a city is going down the gutter. It's a sad reflection on how far this proud city has gone. Scraping the barrel of respectability. All the defenses offered here are pathetic. It's nothing but nasty and base racism; nothing less, nothing more.

This has happened before. It has historical precedence.

Waterford should be ashamed of this. It's sad and nasty.

I agree with you up to that part alright, mob rule is never the answer

mooseknunkle

Sully wrote: »

What about every other criminal behaviour in the City? What about the house that got a petrol bomb thrown in their window causing serious injury? Do we have a mob for these incidents too?

Did you ask any of the protesters this the last two nights you have been with them?

Digital Society

Sully wrote: »

What group?

You said you asked people what house they where targeting. Just wondering if you where there outside the house?

Sully

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Did you ask any of the protesters this the last two nights you have been with them?

I wasn't 'with' the protesters and my question was being directed at 7upfree in relation to the comments made.

mooseknunkle

Sully wrote: »

I wasn't 'with' the protesters and my question was being directed at 7upfree in relation to the comments made.

But you were there?,could you not have went up and asked maybe?

Sully

mooseknunkle wrote: »

But you were there?,could you not have went up and asked maybe?

I could have, but the question wasn't directed at them. Most people were just onlookers and personally, I would avoid speaking with those who were actively protesting.

larrymiller

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

When will there be a protest against money lenders drug dealers ? seems though if its a specific ethnic group the people will be up in arms and holding pitchforks, but when its our own people there's a comfortably numb silence about it.

Shur where would we get our drugs then?

Potential-Monke

mooseknunkle wrote: »

But you were there?,could you not have went up and asked maybe?

There were 30/40 at the front of the protest, and about 50 odd standing back. You could see the divide, the people who wanted a genuine peaceful protest, and the ones up the front who wanted trouble. I was viewing from a distance. Even after 2 people were brought into the first house, and shown that there was no one there, the immediate reaction was "What about the other 2 houses?", on Manor Street, where there is no other Roma families staying. One protestor even hammered on the doorbell of the neighbouring house, shouting that they were in there. An Irish lad came out.

Then, the "protest" went to William Street, where initially it was unknown which house they were in. Luckily, the Gardaí followed them down and nothing much happened down there.

Finally, they went to McDermott Road, and i believe at this stage it was only the trouble makers who were left. And the Gardaí didn't get there in time, and someone's car windows were smashed. What does that say about the crowd?

Even in the other addresses, some of the protestors were covering their faces. Why, if you're at a peaceful protest, do you need to cover your face? And then there was the vitriolic bile being spouted on Facebook. I'm surprised the page is still around.

Regardless of the intentions of the group, it was ruined (yet again) by criminals pretending to care, but only out to cause trouble. And they are so easily identified. And like others, where are the protests outside a certain ethnic minorities house? Or other extremely well known criminal gang families in Ballybeg? Gangs/Families that have been terrorising Waterford for generations now? There are no protests outside these houses, because the trouble makers in the protests have ties in some way to them, that's why.

These protests, while admirable in thought, are ruined by the other criminals of this city, out to cause trouble, as always happens.

larchielads

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

When will there be a protest against money lenders drug dealers ? seems though if its a specific ethnic group the people will be up in arms and holding pitchforks, but when its our own people there's a comfortably numb silence about it.

well said. i said the same thing the other day to a few mates and others, to my surprise there was a numb silence too :rolleyes:

mooseknunkle

When is all this going to end,with it been halloween week i fear things are only going to get worse one of those facebook pages has gone but thats not to say the mob have gone,and whats going to happen if the Roma retaliate...lets hope for both sides that a solution is found very quickly before someone is really hurt.

Fate Amenable To Change

mooseknunkle wrote: »

When is all this going to end,with it been halloween week i fear things are only going to get worse one of those facebook pages has gone but thats not to say the mob have gone,and whats going to happen if the Roma retaliate...lets hope for both sides that a solution is found very quickly before someone is really hurt.

I don't see what the solution could be other than stop organised begging and intimidation of other beggars who are not organised off the area. Stop robbing and harassing people for money. Stop attacking people.

I don't understand what normal people are meant to do to reach this outcome. This is not something ordinary people are responsible for.

Disclaimer: Of course this is all alleged and may or may not happen on a regular basis

S.O

Some on facebook have organised a protest for Wednesday to support the Roma, and the funny thing is most of the people listed as attending don,t even live in Waterford-and the fellow who runs the page that called for a protest wednesday doesn,t live in Waterford either in fact he lives in Wexford and is a failed local election candidate who got very little votes a few months ago.

https://www.facebook.com/events/1438334309720496/

BlaasForRafa

mooseknunkle wrote: »

When is all this going to end,with it been halloween week i fear things are only going to get worse one of those facebook pages has gone but thats not to say the mob have gone,and whats going to happen if the Roma retaliate...lets hope for both sides that a solution is found very quickly before someone is really hurt.

Deport them.