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The 11 "beautiful" girls on The Saturday Night Show Last Night.

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    #32
    Shenshen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    Lots of things aren't healthy. Their health is none of your business,

    Ah, come on now... it was clear from post 1 of this thread that this is intended to be the weekly "OMG, there are FAT people! They must be idiots, because I'm not fat!" thread.
    Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the silliness. There's absolutely no point trying to argue with someone who wants to feel superior to others based on nothing but weight.


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    #33
    myshirt
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    Being morbidly obese should not be celebrated.

    And that is exactly what this is.

    Fat chicks do more stuff and all that, but this is gone too far.


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    #34
    TheBeardedLady
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    If this thread was started out of genuine concern, wonderful..but it wasn't (they rarely are). It was started to take a pot shot at the women and nothing more.


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    #35
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    Why should they justify themselves to you?

    Because... because... taxes! Or something.


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    #36
    myshirt
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    Beefy78 wrote: »
    Lots of things aren't healthy. Their health is none of your business,

    That is outrageous! Of course it is!


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    #37
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    The truth is they represent a large portion of the female population

    "Large portion" is right.


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    #38
    One eyed Jack
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    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    While there shouldnt be any pressure for people to look like what others see as ideal, if you are considered medically overweight then you have a problem that needs to be looked it. You can be happy with how things are but if their is something that is damaging I dont see why it should be seen as ok. You can hurt your leg and not have it looked at but it doesnt mean your leg is just different and nothing is wrong with it.

    I have often seen it turning around, if you are skinny there is something wrong with you and the crap about "real men like curves" you see on facebook.


    Do you think most critics are critical because of the health risks these women pose to themselves, or is that just a patronising justification for their more insidious motives in that they find these particular women physically unattractive to them personally?

    I'd say it's more the latter than the former tbh. Personally I would find some of those women attractive, the same way I would find anyone attractive, but what would make a person unattractive to me is someone who I thought was deluding themselves and coming up with all sorts of reasons why I might be the one with the problem, such as some people that would suggest I might be jealous of them, or that as you say they're 'real' people as distinct from someone who "isn't" an actual person?

    It's a justification that makes no sense, and to me at least screams insecurity issues. It wouldn't be someone who is overweight or even underweight I would have an issue with, it's that person's attitude I would have an issue with, regardless of their size, gender, etc.


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    #39
    wazky
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    I'd be like a 40-60 a day smoker going on Tv and proclaiming that's its cool to smoke like a chimney and stuff the haters and all the rest of it, it's not an irreversible trait or something, it's a choice to smoke and it's a choice to remain overweight/unhealthy.


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    #40
    RDM_83 again
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    _Whimsical_ wrote: »
    Now if they get no work they'd be idiots to be calling themselves models but if they are getting it they're every entitlement to call themselves models.

    I'm actually struggling to think of a "irish model" actually modeling clothes and not simply doing a photoshoot with some politician or NGO/Quango head.

    To be honest I don't think most men find most high fashion models that attractive, they are stunning but look at the difference between what men watch in porn or magazines like playboy/FHM, massive difference in look.
    That said and this might be mildly offensive I just struggle to see how people find people that are obese attractive (not overweight), it hides facial features and body shape completely.
    Macavity. wrote: »
    Eventually, a person needs to accept that they may not be what's considered universally attractive, and that's perfectly fine and certainly doesn't mean they will end up alone. The thing is, we need to send a message that says - it's okay not to look exactly like what the media portrays as the perfect person, and avoid messages that imply it's okay to be unhealthy (which is what a lot of these campaigns do IMO).

    +1

    I know it would be next to impossible to define, but I'd be curious how negative body image compares with obesity in terms of health outcomes across a large sample. Mental well being is massively important in terms of health, and being overweight doesn't seem to have a big impact on life expectancy (being underweight is far worse).
    Personally I think a partial solution would be to standardizer clothes sizes, make 32 inches actually mean 32 inches not 36, even as a guy there is huge variations.


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    #41
    Tarzana
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Do you think most critics are critical because of the health risks these women pose to themselves, or is that just a patronising justification for their more insidious motives in that they find these particular women physically unattractive to them personally?

    I'd say it's more the latter than the former tbh.

    Bingo. Love when it's couched in lofty notions though. Amusing! :pac::D


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    #42
    Hitchens
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    I can't believe none of the PC Brigade have gotten the OP kicked out yet! :pac:

    (the girls were voluptuous in fairness!) ;)






    gets popcorn


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    #43
    kjl
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    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    If this thread was started out of genuine concern, wonderful..but it wasn't (they rarely are). It was started to take a pot shot at the women and nothing more.

    Well it was more the stupidity of the whole situation, these women were not attractive and going publically telling people they are is just stupid in my opinion.

    I do have a concern for the message they are sending out that it's ok to be obese. Most of these women will experience numerous health issues due to their weight and glamorizing it to make them feel good about badly they have treated their bodies is not right.

    The main girl herself mentioned a situation where she couldn't keep up with her child running out onto the road, from door to road, what's that 15 meters and she couldn't keep up. How on earth can you say that it ok.


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    #44
    mikom
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    To be honest I'd love to give most of them in the pic a rattle.
    One or two a bit old for my tastes though.


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    #45
    eviltwin
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    kjl wrote: »
    Well it was more the stupidity of the whole situation, these women were not attractive and going publically telling people they are is just stupid in my opinion.

    I do have a concern for the message they are sending out that it's ok to be obese. Most of these women will experience numerous health issues due to their weight and glamorizing it to make them feel good about badly they have treated their bodies is not right.

    The main girl herself mentioned a situation where she couldn't keep up with her child running out onto the road, from door to road, what's that 15 meters and she couldn't keep up. How on earth can you say that it ok.

    Its not okay, being overweight is not okay, everyone should try and stay as healthy as possible. But the health issue is totally different to the attractiveness issue. Do I think any of those women are at a healthy weight? No. Do I think some of them are attractive? Yes.


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    #46
    kjl
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    Its not okay, being overweight is not okay, everyone should try and stay as healthy as possible. But the health issue is totally different to the attractiveness issue. Do I think any of those women are at a healthy weight? No. Do I think some of them are attractive? Yes.

    Well, from my experience women don't know what men find attractive, but I can assure you if it was a comparison to a normal sized women the men would pic the thin girl every time. source: I'm male and so are most of my friends.


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    #47
    AndonHandon
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    "They'd be hot if they lost weight"; my feelings.


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    #48
    RDM_83 again
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Do you think most critics are critical because of the health risks these women pose to themselves, or is that just a patronising justification for their more insidious motives in that they find these particular women physically unattractive to them personally?

    I'd say it's more the latter than the former tbh.

    Thats probably true for a lot of it, but you also have the issue where a non healthy body size/shape (fat distribution is important too) is normalized and people are kicking of against that.
    Being overweight might become the new normal but its not something that we should be blind too, we are facing a genuine health crisis because of this and its not an issue that can be dodged.
    The equivalency with smoking is rather silly as well, Personally I smoke, I am aware that I would have to put on 40+ kilo before weight became a bigger impactor on my life expectancy than smoking, HOWEVER I am constantly reminded that smoking is bad, each pack of cigarettes has a picture of somebody dying etc where I can indulge the habit is restricted, the vast majority of the cost of the product goes to the government and hopefully anti-smoking measures and health services.


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    #49
    Tarzana
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    kjl wrote: »
    Well it was more the stupidity of the whole situation, these women were not attractive and going publically telling people they are is just stupid in my opinion.

    To you. You = everybody? :confused:


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    #50
    kjl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭kjl


    Tarzana wrote: »
    To you. You = everybody? :confused:

    I know things are subjective, but I don't see them winning any beauty contests unless it's a plus size one.


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    #51
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    kjl wrote: »
    source: I'm male and so are most of my friends.

    And? :pac:

    I'm female but that doesn't qualify me to speak for all females.


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    #52
    kjl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭kjl


    Tarzana wrote: »
    To you. You = everybody? :confused:

    Dam, you been here 5 months and have a lot of posts.


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    #53
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    kjl wrote: »
    I know things are subjective

    OK, so what is this thread about then?


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    #54
    One eyed Jack
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    kjl wrote: »
    Well, from my experience women don't know what men find attractive, but I can assure you if it was a comparison to a normal sized women the men would pic the thin girl every time. source: I'm male and so are most of my friends.


    Well that's some sample size you've got there. I'd probably defer to your vast knowledge and experience if I thought you and your friends were within an asses roar of being representative of all men, but quite frankly - you're not, and for what it's worth (though you probably don't care) - it seems you and your friends don't know what men find attractive either. You only know what you find attractive, and your friends could well be lying through their teeth due to peer pressure.

    You'll grow out of that when you're past puberty (it's hoped!).


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    #55
    TheBeardedLady
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    kjl wrote: »
    Well it was more the stupidity of the whole situation, these women were not attractive and going publically telling people they are is just stupid in my opinion.

    I do have a concern for the message they are sending out that it's ok to be obese. Most of these women will experience numerous health issues due to their weight and glamorizing it to make them feel good about badly they have treated their bodies is not right.

    The main girl herself mentioned a situation where she couldn't keep up with her child running out onto the road, from door to road, what's that 15 meters and she couldn't keep up. How on earth can you say that it ok.

    Fair enough but I'm confused about whether you're saying they're unattractive because you don't find them conventionally attractive or unattractive because they're overweight...or both. Or are we talking about the women's health or what? The point you're trying to get across is not clear.


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    #56
    Tarzana
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    kjl wrote: »
    Dam, you been here 5 months and have a lot of posts.

    :pac::pac::pac::pac:

    Love it. You funny.


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    #57
    johnnyskeleton
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    I dont fully understand the idea of skinny models shaming people. They are not meant to represent how someone should look, they just show off the clothes in an ideal state.

    So its kinda like the serving suggestions for food etc. Just because on the picture it looks like a delicious lassangna with a sprig of parsley on a real plate while mine comes out of the microwave like a steaming turd doesnt mean i feel shamed by the comparison. Most people know that the advertising image does notreflect reality.


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    #58
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Fair enough but I'm confused about whether you're saying they're unattractive because you don't find them conventionally attractive or unattractive because they're overweight...or both. Or are we talking about the women's health or what? The point you're trying to get across is not clear.

    Indeed.


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    #59
    kjl
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    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Fair enough but I'm confused about whether you're saying they're unattractive because you don't find them conventionally attractive or unattractive because they're overweight...or both. Or are we talking about the women's health or what? The point you're trying to get across is not clear.

    I personally do not find overweight people attractive, I am not saying curvaceous women, but women with massive double chins and big round body don't do it for me and I would imagine most guys have a similar view.


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    #60
    Talib Fiasco
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    They could have at least lost some weight before taking the photo.


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    #61
    humbert
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    They look overweight and in a time when obesity is having a detrimental effect on a huge number of people's lives I don't think it helps to be promoting the idea that being fat is OK or unavoidable.

    I didn't see the show though so I don't really know what the tone or substance of it was.


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