is this a sycamore tree?

have2flushtwice

Is this a sycamore?

dazed+confused

No

Leaves in matching pairs like that are a variety of ash.

TheBody

Definitely an ash tree.

greysides

Sycamore leaf:

BreadnBuddha

greysides wrote: »

Sycamore leaf:

How is it possible that someone can take two photographs and navigate all the way in here to post this question and attach the pictures yet can't type 'Sycamore leaf' into google and look at the results?

Seriously.

have2flushtwice

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

How is it possible that someone can take two photographs and navigate all the way in here to post this question and attach the pictures yet can't type 'Sycamore leaf' into google and look at the results?

Seriously.

Because that is what a forum is for, to discuss.

zetecescort

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

How is it possible that someone can take two photographs and navigate all the way in here to post this question and attach the pictures yet can't type 'Sycamore leaf' into google and look at the results?

Seriously.

If the OP did this they would only learn that they didn't have a Sycamore leaf and would be no closer to knowing what they did have.

BreadnBuddha

zetecescort wrote: »

If the OP did this they would only learn that they didn't have a Sycamore leaf and would be no closer to knowing what they did have.

Okay, fair enough point. Bit off form today due to some BP medication having some nasty side effects. If you'll pardon the pun, I didn't see the wood for the trees....



Sorry OP.

greysides

On a tree related subject.... you know the original source of aspirin........the stuff you took earlier BnB?

Tokyo

greysides wrote: »

On a tree related subject.... you know the original source of aspirin........the stuff you took earlier BnB?

as in salicylic acid?

greysides

Yup.

Tokyo

Wont give it away here, but the bark used to be chewed by the American Indians if I remember correctly.

greysides

Yup....


Especially if their head bands got a little tight during a fraught day playing with the American cavalry.

Man of Aran

Salicilic acid is derived from the willow tree.
Saw an article recently too that willow twigs & leaves soaked in water over a few days, makes a useful substitute for "rooting compound" in promoting new growth in other plant cuttings. Not sure if true but worth a try.

greysides

Man of Aran wrote: »

Salicilic acid is derived from the willow tree.

Yes, BINGO!

The bark of the White Willow, Salix alba, I believe. I presume that's where the chemical name in part derives from.

Rooting Hormone..... great stuff.

Man of Aran

Thx Greysides.
Do you mean you have already used willow as a plant growth hormone ?

I wonder if weeping willow could be used also.

greysides

Man of Aran wrote: »

Thx Greysides.
Do you mean you have already used willow as a plant growth hormone ?

I wonder if weeping willow could be used also.

No, just that I have rooting hormone useful. Naturally, a lot of the plants I used it with would probably have done okay without it but it adds confidence.

I once rooted a Bay cutting without hormone....... but it took about 3 years to form roots from the callus that formed.... I think bottom heat would be a great asset to anyone rooting cuttings like that.

TomOnBoard

Aaaand....

You can also use aspirin as a rooting agent if you cant get your hands on willow...

Put 2 aspirin tabs in a gallon of water and soak cuttings for a couple of hours before putting them in a rooting bed..

This works because the salicylic acid forms in the solution..

Also sickly plants can do better when a mild solution is used at watering time..

Oldtree

Now that's an interesting thought Tom , you could give sickly plats a spray of diluted liquid seaweed to as a boost, full of micronutrients, kinda like vitamins for us

greysides

Nettles seeped in water for a while and use the water is meant to be good too.




For plants.

Oldtree

greysides wrote: »

Sycamore leaf:

getting more frequent to see sycamore leaves with tar spots on them (asthetic damage only)

Man of Aran

Yes Oldtree, seen lots of sycamore with " tar spots" as you call them. What is it really? ....some disease or other? Also young oaks with a sort of greyish mould/ mildew. Is this just normal autumn change I wonder.

Farmer

Man of Aran wrote: »

Salicilic acid is derived from the willow tree.
Saw an article recently too that willow twigs & leaves soaked in water over a few days, makes a useful substitute for "rooting compound" in promoting new growth in other plant cuttings. Not sure if true but worth a try.

Given the way the black sallies root, I can believe that. You'll be lucky if your cuttings don't grow into willow also:)

Farmer Pudsey

It is not willow it a sally tree or bush.

have2flushtwice

al lot of info there, cheers all.
In my original post, is the black bud on the tree the seed for a new tree?

if this is planted in soil/compost and left in the greenhouse will I have a sapling next year?

I have noticed that a lot, if not all, of the ash trees in this bit of ground have the same type of trunk, although they are only 2-3 years old, they have come from 2 or 2 larger trees, possibly 20-30 years old. they seem to have a kink on the vertical bark not far from the ground. Would I be correct to assume that each seed takes the chareristics of its "mother tree"?

I haven't looked too much into the upper formation of the trees yet, so this may be only in the bark.

Farmer Pudsey

What you are talking about is a cutting rather than a seed. it is from these black buds that roots will form on cuttings. The reason that cutting are used as opposed to seeds on trees is that cuttings are the same genitically as original tree as opposed to seeds whick have two parents. From see you may get a different type of tree completely as different trees in same family may cross pollinate.

A kink in the bark of a tree may have been caused by physical damage when tree was young it may have been eaten by deer or bark striped by rabbits. Depending on the type of tree you are trying to grow from a cutting will depend on take. Cutting need to be taken from new growth. Plants like Sally/willow are ver easy to propogate from cuttings and will grow even if stuck in damp ground in the early summer. At present they might struggle unless doing as you are planning to do. Other such as Oak are hard to propgate. the faster a tree grows the easier it is to propogate.

greysides

I imagine the black bud you are talking about is where the new leaves will come from next spring.

Day Lewin

I always put in a few twigs of willow when I stand twigs and cuttings in a jar of water.

The willows shoot roots rapidly, and the other plants do soon after.

Seriously, this is a great tip. I can root almost anything using this method. Just remember to keep topping up the water. Great for houseplants, and for bits just casually snipped off hedges as you go by.

Man of Aran

katemarch wrote: »

I always put in a few twigs of willow when I stand twigs and cuttings in a jar of water.

The willows shoot roots rapidly, and the other plants do soon after.

Seriously, this is a great tip.

Or a solution with dissolved 'out of date' aspirin/ dispirin from the medicine cabinet will work too by all accounts in earlier posts. The salicylic acid is the key ingredient. I can see a run on pharmacies by keen gardeners ahead!:)

greysides

Man of Aran wrote: »

Or a solution with dissolved 'out of date' aspirin/ dispirin from the medicine cabinet will work too by all accounts in earlier posts. The salicylic acid is the key ingredient. I can see a run on pharmacies by keen gardeners ahead!:)

Should solve some of their headaches, one way or another....