Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

irishfeen · 18-09-2015 10:21pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

That's what the NBP is meant to take care of.

Yeah but we are hearing that for years and years... is there any actual plan? say in our case it would mean I assume building an exchange close enough to serve us?

I cant see that ever happening unfortunately.

jd · 18-09-2015 10:27pm

irishfeen wrote: »

Yeah but we are hearing that for years and years... is there any actual plan? say in our case it would mean I assume building an exchange close enough to serve us?

I cant see that ever happening unfortunately.

The consensus is that you don't build more exchanges/cabinets, you roll out fibre to the home.

AlmightyCushion · 18-09-2015 10:28pm

irishfeen wrote: »

Yeah but we are hearing that for years and years... is there any actual plan? say in our case it would mean I assume building an exchange close enough to serve us?

I cant see that ever happening unfortunately.

They have taken submissions from all the isps about it. They want to give everyone outside of the UPC, SIRO and Eircom FTTC/FTTH networks a minimum if 30Mb. It's slow progress so far but it's better they take it slow and do it right then just give a load of money to 3 and pat themselves on the back like has happened before.

mass_debater · 18-09-2015 10:28pm

irishfeen wrote: »

Yeah but we are hearing that for years and years... is there any actual plan? say in our case it would mean I assume building an exchange close enough to serve us?

I cant see that ever happening unfortunately.

It was only announced last year, it's still in the planning stage, I think we're near the end of consultation and will see a plan soon enough, I expect around election time

irishfeen · 18-09-2015 10:30pm

jd wrote: »

The consensus is that you don't build more exchanges/cabinets, you roll out fibre to the home.

So in our case they would be running a single fibre from the exchange (about 3.5 miles). Would that even work with the given distance?

mass_debater · 18-09-2015 10:33pm

irishfeen wrote: »

So in our case they would be running a single fibre from the exchange (about 3.5 miles). Would that even work with the given distance?

Yes, fibre can be ran for 20km+ and then you main use a repeater and go the same again. Just like copper there will be distribution points, a single fibre from the exchange will connect lots of single fibres. Don't even expect exchanges, no need

irishfeen · 18-09-2015 10:34pm

In our case we are literally stuck in no-mans land... smack bang in the middle of two villages separated by about 8.5km, one without the exchange enabled (in these plans) and the other with broadband already.

AlmightyCushion · 18-09-2015 10:35pm

irishfeen wrote: »

So in our case they would be running a single fibre from the exchange (about 3.5 miles). Would that even work with the given distance?

Fibre is very different to copper. Distance doesn't really affect it. I think it starts to be affected by distance at 20KM but then you can just use a repeater and it's all good.

irishfeen · 18-09-2015 10:36pm

mass_debater wrote: »

Yes, fibre can be ran for 20km+ and then you main use a repeater and go the same again. Just like copper there will be distribution points, a single fibre from the exchange will connect lots of single fibres. Don't even expect exchanges, no need

And at the end of say 20km what loss in speed would be expected or is the loss minimal?

ED E · 18-09-2015 10:39pm

irishfeen wrote: »

And at the end of say 20km what loss in speed would be expected or is the loss minimal?

None, speed is pretty much flat until the point where it stops working.

Real world I don't see GPON going more than 10km. Normally less.

irishfeen · 18-09-2015 10:41pm

And the cost of running such fibre cables pole to pole over the exiting rural network? (outside that announced by Eircom's blue line) ... I assume its an unimaginable €€ thought?

AlmightyCushion · 18-09-2015 10:50pm

irishfeen wrote: »

And the cost of running such fibre cables pole to pole over the exiting rural network? (outside that announced by Eircom's blue line) ... I assume its an unimaginable €€ thought?

The fibre is cheap, it's cheaper than copper. It's ask the man power to get it to your house that costs a lot.

Johnboy1951 · 18-09-2015 10:51pm

irishfeen wrote: »

And the cost of running such fibre cables pole to pole over the exiting rural network? (outside that announced by Eircom's blue line) ... I assume its an unimaginable €€ thought?

The fibre cable is much cheaper than copper.
The poles exist.

So the cost is not as great as it might be if the existing infrastructure was not in place.

Of course the copper that falls into disuse can be recovered and sold, helping to defray the costs.

rob808 · 18-09-2015 11:03pm

Well I'm at the end of blue line I have underground ducting because there no pole outside my house doh the house beside my house has a pole so they must be doing both.

funnyname · 18-09-2015 11:04pm

Looking at the map for Clare, some of the towns/villages due for a fttc upgrade also have blue lines stretching out a few km from them and all the exchanges as part of the 300k rural ftth announcement are also there with beautiful blue lines.

I'm a bit gutted as my village is going to be upgraded early next year but no blue lines.

Any idea why this is, existing duct infrastructure is too poor and only looking at low hanging fruit for now?

KD11 · 18-09-2015 11:04pm

Deagol wrote: »

Are you sure? I was fairly sure I'd tried telephone numbers for the two you mentioned. Would be great if we could build up a DB of the various estates in each town?

Yeah, saw roadworks on the limerick road as I was passing so typed in a few addresses and they all had FTTH available. Im on the Kilrush road myself so I am kinda hoping they are doing the main entrance roads first like Quin, Kilrush, Tulla, Limerick and Gort roads.

Deagol · 18-09-2015 11:28pm

KD11 wrote: »

Yeah, saw roadworks on the limerick road as I was passing so typed in a few addresses and they all had FTTH available. Im on the Kilrush road myself so I am kinda hoping they are doing the main entrance roads first like Quin, Kilrush, Tulla, Limerick and Gort roads.

I'm at a bit of a loss to understand the criteria, I tried a few places that are modern estates (Tobertouscain, and Aughenteeroe and Abbeyview) and nothing. Some houses in Abbeyview where actually used for the VDSL trial c.1999 and they are not FTTH even though they surely must be ducted and the fibre is definitely passing along the front of the estate.

Anyone got the skills to start a DB / Map like the badly missed Spongebob did for the FTTC rollout??

ItHurtsWhenIP · 19-09-2015 11:35am

irishfeen wrote: »

Yeah but we are hearing that for years and years... is there any actual plan? say in our case it would mean I assume building an exchange close enough to serve us?

I cant see that ever happening unfortunately.

If you want to have your say on the new NBP, you can see how you can make a submission on this page.

kopite davo · 19-09-2015 10:13pm

ok lads, does blue = good, on the NGA fibre network, even if you have crap speeds at the min?

rob808 · 19-09-2015 10:22pm

kopite davo wrote: »

ok lads, does blue = good, on the NGA fibre network, even if you have crap speeds at the min?

well my understanding if you on a blue line your getting FTTH in either 2017 or 2020.The blue line end at my house so hope I can get FTTH.Im currently on 4mb myself downloading anything take ages.

kleefarr · 19-09-2015 10:37pm

rob808 wrote: »

well my understanding if you on a blue line your getting FTTH in either 2017 or 2020.The blue line end at my house so hope I can get FTTH.Im currently on 4mb myself downloading anything take ages.

Makes you wonder how we survived with 56k dial up.

kopite davo · 19-09-2015 10:52pm

rob808 wrote: »

well my understanding if you on a blue line your getting FTTH in either 2017 or 2020.The blue line end at my house so hope I can get FTTH.Im currently on 4mb myself downloading anything take ages.

same here, on the blue, and get 4-5meg via wireless BB. i could be worse off i know, but painful seeing others on even 20-100meg.
what do you reckon on the speeds on the blue, is that the upto 1000meg?

rob808 · 19-09-2015 10:58pm

kopite davo wrote: »

same here, on the blue, and get 4-5meg via wireless BB. i could be worse off i know, but painful seeing others on even 20-100meg.
what do you reckon on the speeds on the blue, is that the upto 1000meg?

Well at the moment you be able to get 150mb,300mb and the premium 1Gb by time we get it could be higher:D

kopite davo · 19-09-2015 11:20pm

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

need to change my underwear

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

noc1980 · 20-09-2015 7:48pm

Blue line stops 150 meters from my house and another, both of us want ftth. Anyone have an idea what the chances are they'd go the extra for 150 for us?

mass_debater · 20-09-2015 7:51pm

noc1980 wrote: »

Blue line stops 150 meters from my house and another, both of us want ftth. Anyone have an idea what the chances are they'd go the extra for 150 for us?

Possibly, it looks like the blue lines are underground ducts. You could have 150m dropwire fed overhead from a distribution point in the duct but nobody will know until it starts. They are planning on overhead drops, Ive seen the setup.

The Cush · 20-09-2015 8:09pm

mass_debater wrote: »

Possibly, it looks like the blue lines are underground ducts.

Around my area most of the blue lines are overhead with the odd short underground duct where it intersects with overhead powerlines

This copper/fibre junction box was installed by KN earlier this year during post-storm repair work, it's located at a road junction where the blue lines on the map split to 2 roads

KOR101 · 20-09-2015 8:17pm

From todays' Independent.....

Its priority for the next nine months is to maintain growth and continue to roll out high-speed fibre broadband, using both fibre to the cabinet and the more expensive fibre right into homes. "It is an industrialised process now, we are doing this very quickly and effectively. It is a massive undertaking but it is happening."

It will also continue to roll out of its 4G mobile broadband network, targeting 80pc coverage by the end of the year, and launch new TV packages.

http://www.independent.ie/business/eir-lift-how-a-new-name-can-be-the-secret-to-success-31541764.html

rob808 · 20-09-2015 9:00pm

noc1980 wrote: »

Blue line stops 150 meters from my house and another, both of us want ftth. Anyone have an idea what the chances are they'd go the extra for 150 for us?

well the blue stop right outside my house my lines are under ground and my neighbours use a pole.The thing is the blue Line stops at my house and neighbour Only few meters from me and another 3 house up a little bit surely they would be included to get FTTH ?.

Niemoj · 20-09-2015 9:49pm

I suppose this thread'll need updating to the new eir moniker?

KOR101 · 20-09-2015 10:12pm

rob808 wrote: »

well the blue stop right outside my house my lines are under ground and my neighbours use a pole.The thing is the blue Line stops at my house and neighbour Only few meters from me and another 3 house up a little bit surely they would be included to get FTTH ?.

That's what I saw near my house, a good few houses just beyond the end of the blue line. I don't think Eircom have worked things out at a precise level yet. They probably just decided that if all they had to do was blow fibre down ducts, then they could make a profit.

When the NBP goes out to tender, we will have the final mapping of which house are in/out. Maybe (only maybe) it will have been thought out road by road by then.

rob808 · 20-09-2015 11:02pm

KOR101 wrote: »

That's what I saw near my house, a good few houses just beyond the end of the blue line. I don't think Eircom have worked things out at a precise level yet. They probably just decided that if all they had to do was blow fibre down ducts, then they could make a profit.

When the NBP goes out to tender, we will have the final mapping of which house are in/out. Maybe (only maybe) it will have been thought out road by road by then.

We have better idea come 25 September about NBP so hopefully they put houses in blue covered by eir.

mobil 222 · 20-09-2015 11:28pm

Folks the blue lines has nothing to do with whether there is underground duct or not.
At the end of the underground network coming from the exchange you will find both fibre and copper cabinets
The startof the overhead network is called a interphase pole,
A 75 pair cable leaves here for destribution futher along the road network, sometimes you might see a second 75' or
a 30' leaving as well...but mostly its 75 pairs.
When it reaches a junction it will be split down to whichever road needs the most.
From looking at the Blue line map its fairly clear that the colored line is following the bigger cable.
If there are 5 houses down a side road then a 10' pair is sufficent or 20 ' Pair.
The outer reaches of most of the bigger exchanges ie Castlebar , Sligo, Letterkenny which have not been done using fttc
will be completed using ftth,
In fact I can see all bigger overhead cables been replaced through time with fibre, because copper is costly to
replace ,prone to damage from trees, Joints liable to water ingress.
Overhead Fibre is far more durable and joints are not as troublesome
There are core fibre overhead routes all over the country that have not had problems,some are over 12 yrs old and
have stayed intact during storms.
So what i think will happen is that a bigger guage fibre will be erected to a point and households will be connected from there on smaller ones more or less to a distribution point and single fibre from the last pole to the subscriber.

The Cush · 20-09-2015 11:37pm

mobil 222 wrote: »

Overhead Fibre is far more durable and joints are not as troublesome
There are core fibre overhead routes all over the country that have not had problems,some are over 12 yrs old .

Also fibre is of no use to the copper recyclers, now if only the ESB could run power down fibre

ItHurtsWhenIP · 21-09-2015 12:48am

The Cush wrote: »

Around my area most of the blue lines are overhead with the odd short underground duct where it intersects with overhead powerlines

This copper/fibre junction box was installed by KN earlier this year during post-storm repair work, it's located at a road junction where the blue lines on the map split to 2 roads

There's a lot of this kind of carry on over my side of the hills from you and we ain't got no blue lines here, only core fibre.

KOR101 · 21-09-2015 9:27am

mobil 222 wrote: »

From looking at the Blue line map its fairly clear that the colored line is following the bigger cable.
If there are 5 houses down a side road then a 10' pair is sufficent or 20 ' Pair.

I'm in Dublin at the moment so I can't check it, but if you look at the route between Kenmare and Blackwater Bridge, the blue lines go off the main road down side roads for a short distance. Does the bigger cable go down those roads? I doubt it. It (the blue line) goes up the road signposted Coomnakilla, for example, but that road goes over the hill to the Blackwater Tavern. The main route to there is directly from Blackwater bridge, so that's where I would expect main cables. And if the Coomnakilla road had a main cable why would it stop mid way along a straight road.

TireeTerror · 21-09-2015 5:36pm

Where can I find this map showing coverage you are all talking about?

I saw 1 Eircom van and a newly branded Eir van in Sligo today. They had a manhole cover open and one of the vans had a trailer with loads of reels of yellow coloured cable.

KeRbDoG · 21-09-2015 5:56pm

TireeTerror wrote: »

Where can I find this map showing coverage you are all talking about?

I saw 1 Eircom van and a newly branded Eir van in Sligo today. They had a manhole cover open and one of the vans had a trailer with loads of reels of yellow coloured cable.

http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/

markmurphy · 22-09-2015 2:11pm

Loving my rural 42 meg and 10 meg connection! Great to see rural Ireland is before city's for a change! Green fields about no stupid rat race!

See I can get fiber direct in my village to! I'd go for 150 meg option. Cant think of use for 1000mb!

m!

rob808 · 22-09-2015 4:36pm

markmurphy wrote: »

Loving my rural 42 meg and 10 meg connection! Great to see rural Ireland is before city's for a change! Green fields about no stupid rat race!

See I can get fiber direct in my village to! I'd go for 150 meg option. Cant think of use for 1000mb!

m!

Im not sure you get FTTH since your already on FTTC unless your village in the 50 towns.The rural FTTH for people who can't get FTTC doh that not to say you wouldn't get FTTH.i don't think anybody really know till late 2016, or early 2017 what eir rural plan is since it in early stages even with the new map.

That a nice speed it put my broadband to shame 3.2 mb and 372kbp upload.

TireeTerror · 22-09-2015 4:45pm

Aye its not a bad speed, but mine is better and way way way cheaper!

BandMember · 22-09-2015 4:49pm

rob808 wrote: »

Im not sure you get FTTH since your already on FTTC unless your village in the 50 towns.The rural FTTH for people who can't get FTTC doh that not to say you wouldn't get FTTH.i don't think anybody really know till late 2016, or early 2017 what eir rural plan is since it in early stages even with the new map.

That a nice speed it put my broadband to shame 3.2 mb and 372kbp upload.

You see, this is what I'm wondering about - what happens to those people in FTTC areas who are not in the new NBP areas? Are they going to be left on FTTC and speeds which will not be sufficient in a very short space of time while the rest of the country gets FTTH and high speeds?

murphaph · 22-09-2015 5:25pm

BandMember wrote: »

You see, this is what I'm wondering about - what happens to those people in FTTC areas who are not in the new NBP areas? Are they going to be left on FTTC and speeds which will not be sufficient in a very short space of time while the rest of the country gets FTTH and high speeds?

Fttc will do the job just fine for a few years while they hook up the rural properties. The way competition is in Ireland do you think the big cities will be left? No chance...they'll turn their attention back to them with 10gpon or whatever.

rob808 · 22-09-2015 5:29pm

BandMember wrote: »

You see, this is what I'm wondering about - what happens to those people in FTTC areas who are not in the new NBP areas? Are they going to be left on FTTC and speeds which will not be sufficient in a very short space of time while the rest of the country gets FTTH and high speeds?

I say the FTTC areas would be done after the 50 towns are done the rural FTTH completed in 2020.

There good chance siro would do FTTC areas in phase 2 after phase 1 complete and eir probably follow after them.

Dr. Nick · 22-09-2015 5:29pm

KeRbDoG wrote: »

http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/

Sorry if a silly question but what do the blue lines represent on this map? Are they the fibre lines from the local exchange?

rob808 · 22-09-2015 5:33pm

Dr. Nick wrote: »

Sorry if a silly question but what do the blue lines represent on this map? Are they the fibre lines from the local exchange?

It were eir plan to being FTTH to rural areas not able to get FTTC

Gonzo · 22-09-2015 5:35pm

BandMember wrote: »

You see, this is what I'm wondering about - what happens to those people in FTTC areas who are not in the new NBP areas? Are they going to be left on FTTC and speeds which will not be sufficient in a very short space of time while the rest of the country gets FTTH and high speeds?

reading between the lines judging from a recent press release those who are currently on FTTC will be kept on it and those who cannot get FTTC will be on FTTH. Eir are claiming 1.6 million homes/premises on FTTC and 300,000 on FTTH by end of 2020. They claim up to 35% of customers will have FTTH by the time this rollout completes in 2020.

Im sure there will be some overlap of some FTTC customers been converted to FTTH if the blue line runs past their houses.

http://www.openeir.ie/news/NGA_rollout_extended_to_1_9M_premises/

murphaph · 22-09-2015 5:41pm

Everyone will eventually be on ftth.

Deagol · 22-09-2015 5:45pm

Gonzo wrote: »

reading between the lines judging from a recent press release those who are currently on FTTC will be kept on it and those who cannot get FTTC will be on FTTH. Eir are claiming 1.6 million homes/premises on FTTC and 300,000 on FTTH by end of 2020. They claim up to 35% of customers will have FTTH by the time this rollout completes in 2020.

Im sure there will be some overlap of some FTTC customers been converted to FTTH if the blue line runs past their houses.

http://www.openeir.ie/news/NGA_rollout_extended_to_1_9M_premises/

And what about people in the towns currently they are rolling out to that have gone from FTTC to FTTH? That doesn't tally with what you have said above.

If you where correct, Eircon will be losing my business once SIRO hits my location! I can't believe they'd leave 129 houses, 500 metres from a FTTH cabinet connected to FTTC. Sorry, I just find that impossible to believe, even taking into account the company involved.

rob808 · 22-09-2015 6:04pm

Deagol wrote: »

And what about people in the towns currently they are rolling out to that have gone from FTTC to FTTH? That doesn't tally with what you have said above.

If you where correct, Eircon will be losing my business once SIRO hits my location! I can't believe they'd leave 129 houses, 500 metres from a FTTH cabinet connected to FTTC. Sorry, I just find that impossible to believe, even taking into account the company involved.

It come down money eir has high debt to pay back plus there tendering for NBP so they be holding money back for that but people on FTTC will get FTTH it just when is the question.

Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

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