Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

KeRbDoG

swoofer wrote: »

kerbdog you have me perplexed. black goes to termination point. the green is optical out, I dont know why green connecetor on left is that big and dont care, its a metre long cable so its wrapped round box on right, then a lan cable to router. Its bb only, no phone.

If they used white trunking you would not see the black cable. And the box can be placed various ways to avoid a 90 degree angle. Say they brought cable straight down from roof with external ducting it would go straight into box but my ducting was already in situ so cable comes inside middle of wall and then loops over to point. they left a big loop in loft as well.

And it works.

I have no doubt that it works but if your someone like me to cares about it being robust in the future, then I wouldn't be happy with it.

The box (ODP) on the left that you have, the lead (yellow single mode fiber and APC/SC connector, its a pigtail spliced to the incoming fiber) which connects to the coupler and then goes to the ONT. That lead should be secured within the ODP and the coupler secured to that box. Keeps it all contained/secured.
Risk is, if you want to move the ODP and maybe snag & break the pigtail coming out of the ODP, you would need it re-spliced.
Again, it will work just fine - but always a risk of damage. Few fiber professionals would leave an install job like that.

Put it this way, it wouldn't be left like that in my work place

I await for about 2018/2020 to when I might have the service in my area! I'm stoked that yea have it install btw, how goes it so far?

swoofer

That's a good point. I had a good look just now and that connector on the left does wobble about the one on the right is much firmer. But I am not touching anything for the time being. I tried to ring the K&N guy but no answer.

My only thought is they need it that way for testing. He did plug ipad in at that end to get diagnostic readings. They get a 1db margin between house and dpd, mine read 0.6db. Can I assume that both ends are just the normal optical connection and if needs be I could unplug them and just plug back in as normal?

However, these are now hidden behind a small shredder and will never again be moved.

If I get an answer I will report back. Those guys did such a good job running that fibre cable into my office I'll forgive them for using that method.

As for performance, not had a real chance to test yet. The upload seems to be settling at 65mb and down is 945mb but this is with eir servers. Some sites are very fast but most are not much better than my 38mb. The macbook pro shows 167mb on 5ghz, which surprised me as its 5 years old but has an ssd and 8gb memory.

I have the option to go back to 300mb or 150mb after 4 months and it strikes me already the big attraction is the upload ie if we had 100mb/100mb up/down we would not need anymore for quite a while.

bk

swoofer wrote: »

I have the option to go back to 300mb or 150mb after 4 months and it strikes me already the big attraction is the upload ie if we had 100mb/100mb up/down we would not need anymore for quite a while.

Yup, that is my own experience. Going from UPC 120Mb/s to 240Mb/s I saw no real world difference. The benefit was really in going from 12Mb/s upload to 24Mb/s.

Above 100Mb/s, few servers can take advantage of that these days.

TireeTerror

bk wrote: »

Yup, that is my own experience. Going from UPC 120Mb/s to 240Mb/s I saw no real world difference. The benefit was really in going from 12Mb/s upload to 24Mb/s.

Above 100Mb/s, few servers can take advantage of that these days.

p2p does though. Its a torrenters paradise!

ED E

And steam Buy a new game, 60GB? 8 minutes. Sure just enough time to make a snack.

red_bairn

I had 90 up in S.Korea not sure why Eir doesn't have asymmetric connection.

ED E

red_bairn wrote: »

I had 90 up in S.Korea not sure why Eir doesn't have asymmetric connection.

10GPON is asymmetric. Running 20 fibres to an estate is far cheaper than running 300.

Nollog

ED E wrote: »

And steam Buy a new game, 60GB? 8 minutes. Sure just enough time to make a snack.

That's download surely.

Ain't the siro offer symmetric?

ED E

/\/ollog wrote: »

That's download surely.

Ain't the siro offer symmetric?

Tis, because they're placing their OLTs in cabs with estates. As theyve no existing plant really it makes a little more sense for them to do it that way, but it will be expensive.

rob808

ED E wrote: »

And steam Buy a new game, 60GB? 8 minutes. Sure just enough time to make a snack.

That take me 2 days on my connection to download .

Gonzo

bk wrote: »

Yup, that is my own experience. Going from UPC 120Mb/s to 240Mb/s I saw no real world difference. The benefit was really in going from 12Mb/s upload to 24Mb/s.

Above 100Mb/s, few servers can take advantage of that these days.

Ive yet to experience real world experience on an internet connection faster than 22 megs and that was on wifi in a hotel in Ireland. The difference between what I have 9 megs and 22 megs is huge. When i was on 22 megs I just couldn't get over how good it is but at the same time I felt totally satisfied that there is no need for anything faster at this current time. After 24 megs it's just a case of diminishing returns. Going from 120MB/s to 240MB/s probably feels the same as going from 6 meg to 7 meg.

MajesticDonkey

ED E wrote: »

And steam Buy a new game, 60GB? 8 minutes. Sure just enough time to make a snack.

And that's exactly how games are going...40-60GB+.

ED E

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

And that's exactly how games are going...40-60GB+.

Try 100GB expected install size for Star Citizen.

murphaph

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

And that's exactly how games are going...40-60GB+.

But but but nobody needs such "crazy" speeds....(the reality of course is that the world won't wait around for the slowest broadband connections and Ireland will be ahead of the curve for once).

KOR101

I regularly hit my 95mbit download limit.

The funny thing is, I have no need for 100mbit upload speeds, but DO have a need for 1000mbit uploads. Although, if there are traffic limits, then I give up.

Alun

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Looks a bit horsed together

Yes, it all looks pretty scruffy all right, I wouldn't be happy with that myself.

Also not only is the the left most box mounted crooked, there's a chip out of the plaster showing possibly where a large hole was drilled straight from outside, rather than first drilling a small pilot hole and then drilling the large hole from both sides towards the middle which is best practice.

If I ever get this installed I'll be hovering over them like a hawk making sure they do it right and tidily.

pm.

Where can I find out when my town (Mullingar) can avail of this?

ECO_Mental

KN lads just touched down to do my install whoop whoop....:)

sibergoth

any ideas how the rollout is working in Ennis... I live near St Flannans... hopefully I'm at least on the roadmap for soon???!

ECO_Mental

Finding my DP Point in the manhole, Might not be able to to continuous updates as I have to slip out

ECO_Mental

One of my first speed tests. Only doing this on my crappy work laptop (at least 7 years old ) Xbox one is showing 620Mb down though:D
and yer man was saying that they ramp the speed up later. Ping good though. Will check back latger with better speed tests. I have to go back work now:(

ECO_Mental

its getting better....

sibergoth

very nice !! hope it gets up to 1000!

I'd say not many of the speed test nodes are even capable of testing 1000 ???

rob808

sibergoth wrote: »

very nice !! hope it gets up to 1000!

I'd say not many of the speed test nodes are even capable of testing 1000 ???

it won't get to 1Gb but very close like 962mb which is amazing speed .

sibergoth

crazy speed.. i have a gigabit switch on my lan.. it would be like having the internet as a local machine... nice !!

can't wait for my street to get sorted....... fingers crossed.

sennah

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Finding my DP Point in the manhole, Might not be able to to continuous updates as I have to slip out

Looks good ECO_Mental. Enjoy!

Looking at your picture of the distribution point, it looks like only 4 users can be catered for from it? Is that correct? Seems like a lot of effort for little gain!

ECO_Mental

sennah wrote: »

Looks good ECO_Mental. Enjoy!

Looking at your picture of the distribution point, it looks like only 4 users can be catered for from it? Is that correct? Seems like a lot of effort for little gain!

Don't know really, I'd say its about 8, there are about 4 of these manholes with the fiber DP in my street that covers all the houses

sennah

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Don't know really, I'd say its about 8, there are about 4 of these manholes with the fiber DP in my street that covers all the houses

I've just had a closer look and there seems to be 6 pigtails in that DP (each green block will serve once connection if I'm not mistaken... 2 fibre strands per connection). I guess that means there's a 12 core fibre coming into this particular DP

Just saw your ONT pic too. That's quite a neat install. Well done

swoofer

great news, glad your sorted and that's a very neat install. used a much smaller cable than mine and did a nice job via skirting board.

ECO_Mental

swoofer wrote: »

great news, glad your sorted and that's a very neat install. used a much smaller cable than mine and did a nice job via skirting board.

The Fiber coming out of the skirting is just one strand from a larger cable they just stripped it back behind the skirting. Neat enough job alright just need to caulk around the fibre.

By the way xbox one now up to around 750Mb;). Still working off my crappy laptop need to check it with the missues top of the range i7 Laptop

Deagol

ECO_Mental wrote: »

By the way xbox one now up to around 750Mb;). Still working off my crappy laptop need to check it with the missues top of the range i7 Laptop

Nothing personal but............................. I hate you

KOR101

ECO_Mental wrote: »

The Fiber coming out of the skirting is just one strand from a larger cable they just stripped it back behind the skirting.

Can you explain what that means? Are you saying that the larger cable with multiple strands runs into your house, and that in the future more of those strands could easily be used to expand your bandwidth?

ECO_Mental

KOR101 wrote: »

Can you explain what that means? Are you saying that the larger cable with multiple strands runs into your house, and that in the future more of those strands could easily be used to expand your bandwidth?

I didn't see it myself when they actually pulled it today but swoofer who got his install done last week said that there were two fibers in the cable they actually pull to your house but they only use one of them. I suppose the other is back up or maybe in future one for up and one for down imagine that...

KOR101

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I didn't see it myself when they actually pulled it today but swoofer who got his install done last week said that there were two fibers in the cable they actually pull to your house but they only use one of them. I suppose the other is back up or maybe in future one for up and one for down imagine that...

Bit confused, although I guess even with one fibre, there are technologies for getting even greater speed.

The Cush

KOR101 wrote: »

Bit confused, although I guess even with one fibre, there are technologies for getting even greater speed.

The lads here (ED E, mass_debater etc.) have posted here previously that if faster tech is rolled out (10GPON, 40GPON etc.) the same fibre cable can be used, only the equipment at each end needs changing.

ED E

With the copper network it was normal to run a 4 wire drop to support a 2nd line, and pairs can be swapped in cases of fault. Not illogical to run a pair into the premises, man hours are expensive and glass is cheap.

murphaph

ED E wrote: »

With the copper network it was normal to run a 4 wire drop to support a 2nd line, and pairs can be swapped in cases of fault. Not illogical to run a pair into the premises, man hours are expensive and glass is cheap.

That's all this is about. The fibre itself costs almost nothing compared to the labour costs, so very sensible to always run a backup in at the same time.

bk

Gonzo wrote: »

Ive yet to experience real world experience on an internet connection faster than 22 megs and that was on wifi in a hotel in Ireland. The difference between what I have 9 megs and 22 megs is huge. When i was on 22 megs I just couldn't get over how good it is but at the same time I felt totally satisfied that there is no need for anything faster at this current time. After 24 megs it's just a case of diminishing returns. Going from 120MB/s to 240MB/s probably feels the same as going from 6 meg to 7 meg.

Yes going from 8Mb/s to 16Mb/s was incredible. Going from 16 to 120 was nice, but not earth shattering. Going from 120 to 240 was pretty much unnoticeable outside of speed tests.

However what really benefited from the later upgrades was the upload speed.

Going from 16m/650k to 120/12 in turns of upload speed was fantastic and liberating (cloud backups, youtube uploads, etc.) and upgrading to 240/24 was really nice too.

bk

Eir quarterly report out:

https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/pressroom/FIRST-QUARTER-RESULTS-ANNOUNCEMENT-TO-30-SEPTEMBER-2015/

Their FTTH network now passes 28,000 homes.

ECO_Mental

bk wrote: »

Eir quarterly report out:

https://www.eir.ie/opencms/export/sites/default/pressroom/FIRST-QUARTER-RESULTS-ANNOUNCEMENT-TO-30-SEPTEMBER-2015/

Their FTTH network now passes 28,000 homes.

The take up is fairly small as well, the lad installing mine said he has only done 12.... And as far as I know he is the only one doing them in cork we are only talking about 1or2 a week being installed in cork

MBSnr

ECO_Mental wrote: »

The take up is fairly small as well, the lad installing mine said he has only done 12.... And as far as I know he is the only one doing them in cork we are only talking about 1or2 a week being installed in cork

Once they eventually get into rural areas I'd say that take up might increase...

It's the upload that kills me on ADSL - 384k... Even having ADSL2 would be 512k!

ECO_Mental

MBSnr wrote: »

Once they eventually get into rural areas I'd say that take up might increase...

It's the upload that kills me on ADSL - 384k... Even having ADSL2 would be 512k!

Yeah, I was already on 85/20mb and was very good. Me upgrading to 1Gb was me wanting it not exactly needing it. If you are out in the countryside and only getting 1-2mb you would Bite the hand off Eir to get FTTH

Gonzo

yeah once Eir eventually start working & activating the blue lines, FTTH sales will skyrocket. Almost every house on our road will upgrade immediately once it's available. Most people who are on FTTC with more than 40 meg are happy enough for the next few years.

MackMack

ECO_Mental wrote: »

The take up is fairly small as well, the lad installing mine said he has only done 12.... And as far as I know he is the only one doing them in cork we are only talking about 1or2 a week being installed in cork

If they installed FTTH in places that had crap BB instead of places like Douglas that already have 240meg with UPC then the uptake would be slightly larger

Strawberry HillBilly

MackMack wrote: »

If they installed FTTH in places that had crap BB instead of places like Douglas that already have 240meg with UPC then the uptake would be slightly larger

Maybe just maybe they might cop on to that and roll out where it is actually needed and people are mad to get decent broadband. Would be brave and counterintuitive but would probably be extremely successful

ED E

Why would they do it now when the government will pay for it in just over a year

ECO_Mental

MackMack wrote: »

If they installed FTTH in places that had crap BB instead of places like Douglas that already have 240meg with UPC then the uptake would be slightly larger

That saying, dragging miles and miles of fibre for a couple of house or pulling a few hundred meters and service 40 50 houses and already have 80% of the infrastructure in place. Cost benefit will win out everyday

damienirel

Gonzo wrote: »

yeah once Eir eventually start working & activating the blue lines, FTTH sales will skyrocket. Almost every house on our road will upgrade immediately once it's available. Most people who are on FTTC with more than 40 meg are happy enough for the next few years.

I guess that's the question that hasn't been answered when do they start work on those blue lines? I'm sick of waiting. As people already stated here it's those people who don't have > 10/20mb that really want the upgrade at the moment.

Johnboy1951

damienirel wrote: »

I guess that's the question that hasn't been answered when do they start work on those blue lines? I'm sick of waiting. As people already stated here it's those people who don't have > 10/20mb that really want the upgrade at the moment.

Commercial considerations will influence what and when.
We just have to have some (more) patience

markmurphy

ping 8ms! Can FTTH do better?

I see its 17 euro more a month...for 1 GIG ! ya be mad not to get it!

Can't see the pings getting much better though.

Have to put up with my crap connection till then! lol!

M.