Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

drtonic49

Just been told by an engineer today that though our housing estate is all wired up for FTTH, it can't be put into any of the houses because no one checked whether the piping was big enough to pull the wire through and there was no boxes on the sides of the houses to pull it through to make a new box..!

rob808

drtonic49 wrote: »

Just been told by an engineer today that though our housing estate is all wired up for FTTH, it can't be put into any of the houses because no one checked whether the piping was big enough to pull the wire through and there was no boxes on the sides of the houses to pull it through to make a new box..!

They probably use G.fast if there problem pulling fibre to the house.

Nollog

rob808 wrote: »

They probably use G.fast if there problem pulling fibre to the house.

A few people on here say that.

I say they leave those few houses without FTTH like every other service every other company runs and has a similar problem.
Example: UPC getting a "no" from your neighbor to run a wire near their house = you get nothing.

pegasus1

drtonic49 wrote: »

Just been told by an engineer today that though our housing estate is all wired up for FTTH, it can't be put into any of the houses because no one checked whether the piping was big enough to pull the wire through and there was no boxes on the sides of the houses to pull it through to make a new box..!

Surely this is the scenario in 90% of residential areas...also is ducting laid years ago able to run fibre in if the were tight corners within it...?

ECO_Mental

drtonic49 wrote: »

Just been told by an engineer today that though our housing estate is all wired up for FTTH, it can't be put into any of the houses because no one checked whether the piping was big enough to pull the wire through and there was no boxes on the sides of the houses to pull it through to make a new box..!

For my install I had to do a small bit of rooting in that the duct came in under the floor near the front door. Another guy in here in this thread had to drill a hole in his external wall and I think bring it up the cavity. I had this work done before they came as they had done a few of my type of house before me so I had a good idea where the entry point was. If I were you I would do some investigation to find exactly where your copper is entering the house. It might still be possible, if you can prove to then you can get it in then they might go ahead with it. Talking to the EIR lads they say getting the fibre into the house is the hardest part. I was ready for them so they were less than an hour with me.

funkhouser

The blue line on fibrerollout.ie, what precisely does it represent? If you are just beyond the limit of the blue line are you out of luck?

ItHurtsWhenIP

funkhouser wrote: »

The blue line on fibrerollout.ie, what precisely does it represent? If you are just beyond the limit of the blue line are you out of luck?

eir have said that they ***might*** roll out FTTH to places along the blue lines. It is an effort from them to annex these areas from the NBP and make the NBP unprofitable for other bidders.

It looks like the DCENR are calling their bluff though, as eir won't commit to this plan.

The Cush

funkhouser wrote: »

If you are just beyond the limit of the blue line are you out of luck?

Hopefully the National Broadand Plan (NBP) will provide a minimum of 30 Mbps to anyone that wants it in the implementation area.

rob808

They Didn't say they might they are pressing ahead with there ftth rollout to rural Ireland.They Didn't sign the commitment because of the heavy penalty enforced by it.

KOR101

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

eir have said that they ***might*** roll out FTTH to places along the blue lines. It is an effort from them to annex these areas from the NBP and make the NBP unprofitable for other bidders.

It looks like the DCENR are calling their bluff though, as eir won't commit to this plan.

As Rob says.....

“We are actually starting this rollout now and, in the short term, we are creating a reverse digital divide where rural communities will have superior services through fibre-to-the-home.”

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pegasus1

The Cush wrote: »

Hopefully the National Broadand Plan (NBP) will provide a minimum of 30 Mbps to anyone that wants it in the implementation area.

I think they have to supply it to all, houses are sold and bought...no point passing a house that doesn't want it and not leaving a connection for it...as if when sold and new occupier wants it then what...

Gonzo

I reckon Eir will focus more on rural areas anyway as UPC/Virgin have a firm foothold in Dublin and other urban areas with much faster broadband, cheaper prices and no line rental needed. There is almost no competition outside of urban areas so Eir can gain alot by rolling out fibre to the rest of the country. Whoever rolls out FTTH on a widespread basis across most of rural Ireland first will likely control that market for the next 20+ years.

Manc Red

funkhouser wrote: »

The blue line on fibrerollout.ie, what precisely does it represent? If you are just beyond the limit of the blue line are you out of luck?

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The blue lines on the map show the areas where we will be deploying a FTTH solution. If your home or business is along these lines you will have access to high speed fibre broadband between the timeframe of 2016-2020. As planning and deployment timelines are forecasted we will update our map with expected go live dates. If your house or business is not included in our plans, your area will be covered by the National Broadband Plan (see details below)

pegasus1

Have seen strapped to poles today in Kilkenny city blue coloured cable tails

jimmad

This rollout seems to have died a death, no visable sign of any movement in letterkenny nevermind live connections.

cunnijo

I agree. It is the very same here in Naas and it is one of the first 19 areas that were to get it from last September. I can say the same about SIRO too. Their rollout seems to be at a crawl too with the exception of Letterkenny. This comes from an email I received from them (SIRO)

"We're delighted to announce that Letterkenny is the first SIRO-powered town of 2016 and will receive one gigabit connectivity. The first premises will be available from April through Vodafone LightSpeed Broadband, powered by SIRO."

DownOneTourist

I've seen them working on our road recently.

Deagol

Agreed, whole thing is a damn squib. In Ennis they enabled a couple of estates and that was it.

I was going to get the TV service from Eir if they gave me FTTH but have gone with a dish instead now. Doubtful I would pay extra now for FTTH. All rather typically Irish IMHO.

Gonzo

Eir already have 14 towns receiving FTTH, how well serviced with FTTH are these towns?

I presume they are still working on the 66 towns while they are preparing the rural FTTH rollout?

cunnijo

Gonzo wrote: »

Eir already have 14 towns receiving FTTH, how well serviced with FTTH are these towns?

I presume they are still working on the 66 towns while they are preparing the rural FTTH rollout?

Gonzo I suspect only parts of each of the 14 towns have FTTH from Eir (mainly new housing estates). Where I live here in Naas of the over 11,000+ than can get FTTC only 2,230 are FTTH enabled and the upgrade work is extremely slow.

tsue921i8wljb3

cunnijo wrote: »

Gonzo I suspect only parts of each of the 14 towns have FTTH from Eir (mainly new housing estates). Where I live here in Naas of the over 11,000+ than can get FTTC only 2,230 are FTTH enabled and the upgrade work is extremely slow.

Yes, there is no point in quoting X number of towns. The only correct metric is premises passed.

Gonzo

Bodie Stale Jawbreaker wrote: »

Yes, there is no point in quoting X number of towns. The only correct metric is premises passed.

thats the way they are working with the rural ftth scheme is number of homes/premises passed. I think when they originally announced the 66 towns they claimed FTTH on its way to these towns but never gave an estimated number of premises to be passed so I guess once they FTTH enable even 1 estate they can get away with their claim that the town has FTTH.

Im hoping to get FTTH within the next 12 months in phase 1 of the rollout of the rural FTTH but have admit im a bit concerned that the FTTH rollout to these 66 towns is painfully slow and very patchy.

sibergoth

yeah kinda disappointing about Ennis.. I have 90Mbps now, which is very good.. but i crave the 1Gbps !

i've been checking every week now for 8 months or so on the eir.ie availability page and nothing. I know a few people in Ennis got it, but when will it come to my road?! will it be months, years, or just never ??

so much anxiety caused by a lack of communication.. I understand that they don't want to be locked into anything - but a bit more clarity around the plan would be nice.

Siro is vague too.. Town level isn't really good enough info if only some random estates are able to get the service.

Deagol

sibergoth wrote: »

yeah kinda disappointing about Ennis.. I have 90Mbps now, which is very good.. but i crave the 1Gbps !

i've been checking every week now for 8 months or so on the eir.ie availability page and nothing. I know a few people in Ennis got it, but when will it come to my road?! will it be months, years, or just never ??

Was told by an Eircom engineer that the rollout in Ennis was completed (this was around xmas) and if I hadn't FTTH by now I wouldn't be getting it "ever".

And then of course we had the insult of Eir trying to raise the prices to enable "enhanced service"...

irishgeo

i thought this was being help in court by a complaint against eir by the other companies.

sibergoth

Deagol wrote: »

Was told by an Eircom engineer that the rollout in Ennis was completed (this was around xmas) and if I hadn't FTTH by now I wouldn't be getting it "ever".

that is NOT good..

bk

sibergoth wrote: »

that is NOT good..

I would take no notice of that. Many of the guys on the ground don't know Eir managements long term plans.

Plus "ever" is a long time. You might not get it soon, but in 10 to 15 years from now every home in Ireland will be connected to FTTH one way or the other.

damienirel

bk wrote: »

I would take no notice of that. Many of the guys on the ground don't know Eir managements long term plans.

Plus "ever" is a long time. You might not get it soon, but in 10 to 15 years from now every home in Ireland will be connected to FTTH one way or the other.

Would totally agree with that even Eir management don't know Eirs long (hell even short) term plans. Until the tenders come back form the NBP then Eir might start getting real. At the moment they are tickling the nation with FTTH just like Siro. In the meantime virgin are milking it for all they can. But BK is right there is only one technology going to succeed and that's fibre - would be surprised if we have any copper phone/broadband network in 10 years.

PeadarB

jimmad wrote: »

This rollout seems to have died a death, no visable sign of any movement in letterkenny nevermind live connections.

I finally gave up on eir FTTH as I couldn't stand the frustration of being so near the main FTTH run and not able to avail of it. I've moved back to Vodafone and their Siro FTTH will be available from this month.
I prefer certainty.

Gonzo

They will definitely put FTTH anywhere where there is homes/premises. 6 months ago there was no plan or anything in sight for my area. Then a few months ago there was a vague news alert over 300,000 homes, today they are laying fibre not far from me in an area surrounded by fields, cows and sheep on its way to ribbon developments so anything is possible at this stage!

damienirel

PeadarB wrote: »

I finally gave up on eir FTTH as I couldn't stand the frustration of being so near the main FTTH run and not able to avail of it. I've moved back to Vodafone and their Siro FTTH will be available from this month.
I prefer certainty.

Eir are the only hope I actually have - I emailed Siro to see when they'd be rolling out in my area - and they basically said never.

rob808

damienirel wrote: »

Eir are the only hope I actually have - I emailed Siro to see when they'd be rolling out in my area - and they basically said never.

well only if they win state aid with NBP they will rollout FTTH to rural Ireland .

ElNino

sibergoth wrote: »

yeah kinda disappointing about Ennis.. I have 90Mbps now, which is very good.. but i crave the 1Gbps !

i've been checking every week now for 8 months or so on the eir.ie availability page and nothing. I know a few people in Ennis got it, but when will it come to my road?! will it be months, years, or just never ??

so much anxiety caused by a lack of communication.. I understand that they don't want to be locked into anything - but a bit more clarity around the plan would be nice.

Siro is vague too.. Town level isn't really good enough info if only some random estates are able to get the service.

I am in the same position in Ennis also. I have given up on Eir FTTH and I was waiting for SIRO to come to Ennis. Interestingly about a month ago I got a flyer in my door offering Virgin Media 360Mb broadband. I wasn't aware that they had cable in Ennis. Anyway I am holding off for the time being as I am happy enough with my 100Mb FTTC for now.

Deagol

ElNino wrote: »

I am in the same position in Ennis also. I have given up on Eir FTTH and I was waiting for SIRO to come to Ennis. Interestingly about a month ago I got a flyer in my door offering Virgin Media 360Mb broadband. I wasn't aware that they had cable in Ennis. Anyway I am holding off for the time being as I am happy enough with my 100Mb FTTC for now.

Apparently some parts of Ennis have cable but from looking at the Netflix / Virgin thread I think I'd stay well away from them.

By coincidence I've noticed a lot of KN Networks vans around Ennis the last couple of days...

Johnboy1951

Deagol wrote: »

Apparently some parts of Ennis have cable but from looking at the Netflix / Virgin thread I think I'd stay well away from them.

By coincidence I've noticed a lot of KN Networks vans around Ennis the last couple of days...

Are they not supposed to do the FTTH for the blue-line areas outside Ennis soon?

Deagol

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Are they not supposed to do the FTTH for the blue-line areas outside Ennis soon?

No timetables for that yet that I've seen, supposedly to be done by 2021. But having seen the FTTH urban roll outs I wouldn't be holding my breath.

damienirel

Deagol wrote: »

No timetables for that yet that I've seen, supposedly to be done by 2021. But having seen the FTTH urban roll outs I wouldn't be holding my breath.

Yeah the whole thing is pretty damn slow and disappointing I see castletroy exchange in limerick isn't down as one of the FTTH exchanges - seems a bit ridiculous.

Johnboy1951

Deagol wrote: »

No timetables for that yet that I've seen, supposedly to be done by 2021. But having seen the FTTH urban roll outs I wouldn't be holding my breath.

http://www.openeir.ie/news/First-rural-FTTH-locations-announced/

Says rural FTTH within the next 12 months.

Ennis to get 430 premises done.
That looks to be roughly the number of premises on the blue-lines.

Deagol

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

http://www.openeir.ie/news/First-rural-FTTH-locations-announced/

Says rural FTTH within the next 12 months.

Ennis to get 430 premises done.
That looks to be roughly the number of premises on the blue-lines.

First time I've seen that document. I suspect though that those FTTH houses in Ennis (Rural and Ennis don't exactly go together), are actually 'higher income' houses on outskirts of the town that perhaps Eir see as being a possible revenue stream?

mass_debater

Deagol wrote: »

First time I've seen that document. I suspect though that those FTTH houses in Ennis (Rural and Ennis don't exactly go together), are actually 'higher income' houses on outskirts of the town that perhaps Eir see as being a possible revenue stream?

More likely that a manager lives there

Johnboy1951

mass_debater wrote: »

More likely that a manager lives there

I doubt they have enough managers to have one in each of the exchanges listed in that 100,000 number ....... maybe back in the P&T days .......

Praetorian

Pretty disappointing how neglected Dublin is in this rollout. Comprehensive rollout's in the likes of Donegal and Galway seems pretty unfair compared to the likes of Counties like Longford, Carlow and Monaghan

In Co Dublin, in my own town 320 houses passed? There are 20,000+ people in Balbriggan.

In Swords 490 houses passed? There are 70,000+ people in Swords.

It's going to take a very, very long time at this pace. The rollout is more about ticking boxes and saying they have a foot print all over the place.

ED E

Praetorian wrote: »

Pretty disappointing how neglected Dublin is in this rollout. Comprehensive rollout's in the likes of Donegal and Galway seems pretty unfair compared to the likes of Counties like Longford, Carlow and Monaghan

In Co Dublin, in my own town 320 houses passed? There are 20,000+ people in Balbriggan.

In Swords 490 houses passed? There are 70,000+ people in Swords.

It's going to take a very, very long time at this pace. The rollout is more about ticking boxes and saying they have a foot print all over the place.

Already commercially viable, uptake rates there would be a fraction of what they will be in the targeted areas. OpenEir may be awkward at times, but they aren't braindead. This is being targeted to eat into their 500M debt.

Praetorian

ED E wrote: »

Already commercially viable, uptake rates there would be a fraction of what they will be in the targeted areas. OpenEir may be awkward at times, but they aren't braindead. This is being targeted to eat into their 500M debt.

I'd say definitely viable and quite calculated. Just disappointing for a lot of people. Some towns literally have 1 run of cable (well one blue line on a map). It's going to look good in marketing terms.

Does anyone know if there is a plan to run FTTH from the cabinet network at some stage?

Johnboy1951

Praetorian wrote: »

I'd say definitely viable and quite calculated. Just disappointing for a lot of people. Some towns literally have 1 run of cable (well one blue line on a map). It's going to look good in marketing terms.

Does anyone know if there is a plan to run FTTH from the cabinet network at some stage?

My understanding is that there are lots of spare fibre in the cabs and those are to be used for FTTH

ED E

Praetorian wrote: »

I'd say definitely viable and quite calculated. Just disappointing for a lot of people. Some towns literally have 1 run of cable (well one blue line on a map). It's going to look good in marketing terms.

Does anyone know if there is a plan to run FTTH from the cabinet network at some stage?

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

My understanding is that there are lots of spare fibre in the cabs and those are to be used for FTTH

Yep, 4 for the cabs MSAN, 20 to be pulled out for other uses including FTTH.

Right now using those dark strands costs a lot and turns a €40/mo VDSL customer into a €50/mo FTTH customer. Where as the rural lad currently on 3G goes from €0 to €50/mo when they connect him up (with a little more effort).

If we want to see FTTH being pushed in Dublin we need to see Virgin starting a large rollout, something they don't really do. Otherwise the VDSL network ain't broke and won't be fixed.

damienirel

ED E wrote: »

Yep, 4 for the cabs MSAN, 20 to be pulled out for other uses including FTTH.

Right now using those dark strands costs a lot and turns a €40/mo VDSL customer into a €50/mo FTTH customer. Where as the rural lad currently on 3G goes from €0 to €50/mo when they connect him up (with a little more effort).

If we want to see FTTH being pushed in Dublin we need to see Virgin starting a large rollout, something they don't really do. Otherwise the VDSL network ain't broke and won't be fixed.

On the money ED E! figuratively and literally!

ctlsleh

Deagol wrote: »

First time I've seen that document. I suspect though that those FTTH houses in Ennis (Rural and Ennis don't exactly go together), are actually 'higher income' houses on outskirts of the town that perhaps Eir see as being a possible revenue stream?

Ennis folks,
We're all in the same boat. Any idea where these 430 connections will be? It's a very small number in reality, I'm also weekly checking on Eir and Siro websites, but nothing happening......can't see it rolling out to where I am anyhow....too much digging needed...!!

Johnboy1951

ctlsleh wrote: »

Ennis folks,
We're all in the same boat. Any idea where these 430 connections will be? It's a very small number in reality, I'm also weekly checking on Eir and Siro websites, but nothing happening......can't see it rolling out to where I am anyhow....too much digging needed...!!

Not an 'Ennis folk' but had a look at the mapping.

Check the 'blue line' map, and count the houses that the lines pass.

The count might come out at about 430 ...... seemed so to me from a quick check.

Calebmcd

I don't know whats going on in Buncrana. But there seems to be plenty of exchanges. But barely any place gets 100mb!

For in my estate, the first row gets 70mb, my row gets 60mb, rest of the estate behind me goes 50, 40 ,30.

Now I actually get 51mb on sync. Got a feeling either its all old wiring in the town or they just need more exchanges. Plus i'm pretty sure they don't have vectoring turned on yet. Plus if there is no LLU on the exchange how does Vodafone get in? Or is llu on on adsl?

Thinking of moving to Letterkenny, at least they have eir and siro doing 1Gb FTTH now. Buncrana is getting 1Gb too, but if they can't successfully supply 100mb to the town, what hope is there to get 1000mb?