FAT, SICK & NEARLY DEAD

cormie

Yes, but with negative affects on environment and of course, animal welfare.

cormie

cormie wrote: »

Yes, but with negative affects on environment and of course, animal welfare.

One way to solve this is to use more advanced techniques that result in higher yields per area, more resistant crops that use less pesticides and can grow in harsher environments and well as being more healthy and nutritious.

As for animal welfare, we could have lab grown meat.

MadDog76

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

I saw the film, loved it, thought it was great, etc, etc. Already had a juicer, so halfway there....

Spent over €100 on fruit and veg and lasted two days. Was nauseous, sluggish, exhausted (did it over a weekend and barely got out of bed the second day) irritable, headachy and downright miserable.

For an ordinary person looking to lose some weight, maybe replacing one meal a day, for a period of time, with a juice might provide a good kick start, but juicing consistently for 3-,7-,10+ days is just another gimmick that will go the way of Atkins, etc.

Joe himself suffered these symptoms for the first 3/4 days but he pushed through them because he knew they were just withdrawal symptoms (caffeine, high fat foods, processed refined sugar etc.) and that once his system was clear of these toxins he would begin to reap the health benefits which he did ......... you just gave up.

Torakx

I have done similar myself, except I use a sort of starvation method.
The issue most people have, is that they have been living on crap for solong, their body needs time to burn through it and exfoliate etc.
The juicing method looked good, because you would get vitamins and starve at the same time. I think that it might even push people into ketosis where fat is burned instead of carbs/sugar for energy and the brain uses ketogens(i think) for energy.
The change over to burning fat via Ketosis could be one reason for uncomfortable symptoms.
Another is a dying off of yeast and other organisms in the gut or allover the body if someone had a systemic infection, due to bad diet and a combnation of antibiotics or steroids which completely destroy your gut flora.

I think the reason symptoms might not go away when someone reverts to a bad diet, is first of all it's a bad idet and normalfood most people eat is slowly killing them and wearing them down. It's great many live into their 80's and 90's despite this!
Another is if the persons gut has been compromised by these products, you can't just introduce the same old food and expect this new environment toact like the old one. It's a completely different environment and sothat person needs a new digestive system..Which I am still wondering how to manage...

So I can agree with the skeptics, that this does not cure the root cause, as the root cause is originating with the medical and pharmaceutical industry and their advice and practices with regards diet(non existant?) and medecine, as well as peoples education generally.
I can also agree with the OP, in that you can go on these diets or just simply starve yourself, until the build up of say yeast in many cases has died off and then continue on a safe diet low on carbs. Just no grains or refined carbs(a normal diet for mankind, all the way up to before farming and agriculture I would guess).
The problem is that there is no known way i have seen that can replace what anti biotics kill, once they have upset that balance enough that it cannot recover by itself.

So erm.. I think juicing is a great way to give your body the best chance to fast and recieve enough nutrients on the short term.
But as JH79 has said, really people need to just stop eating really bad **** that has been labeled as food.
One issue there still is the anti biotics and steroids. I beleive there is a use for them, like if I am going todie froman infection, sure i might take a "chemo" hit to the gut just tosurvive a few more years. But for a chest infection thatis not pneumonia, i would never touch them.
I believe the origin of many illnesess now relating to digestion and allergies is the medical and pharmaceutical industry, combined with education and propaganda.
A system of culling maybe?
I wonder do the "elites" eat the same crap we are feed. Do they recieve anti biotics and steroids without advice or any awareness of consequences as most are?
Maybe they do and humanity is screwing itself. But the whole agenda 21 thing seems a simpler answer than, we are alljust really stupid as a race. Apparently we made it to the moon.
If I can detect/research the main issues with health and figure out the process causing illness, surely the experts have done so long ago.

MadDog76

Torakx wrote: »

I have done similar myself, except I use a sort of starvation method.
The issue most people have, is that they have been living on crap for solong, their body needs time to burn through it and exfoliate etc.
The juicing method looked good, because you would get vitamins and starve at the same time. I think that it might even push people into ketosis where fat is burned instead of carbs/sugar for energy and the brain uses ketogens(i think) for energy.
The change over to burning fat via Ketosis could be one reason for uncomfortable symptoms.
Another is a dying off of yeast and other organisms in the gut or allover the body if someone had a systemic infection, due to bad diet and a combnation of antibiotics or steroids which completely destroy your gut flora.

I think the reason symptoms might not go away when someone reverts to a bad diet, is first of all it's a bad idet and normalfood most people eat is slowly killing them and wearing them down. It's great many live into their 80's and 90's despite this!
Another is if the persons gut has been compromised by these products, you can't just introduce the same old food and expect this new environment toact like the old one. It's a completely different environment and sothat person needs a new digestive system..Which I am still wondering how to manage...

So I can agree with the skeptics, that this does not cure the root cause, as the root cause is originating with the medical and pharmaceutical industry and their advice and practices with regards diet(non existant?) and medecine, as well as peoples education generally.
I can also agree with the OP, in that you can go on these diets or just simply starve yourself, until the build up of say yeast in many cases has died off and then continue on a safe diet low on carbs. Just no grains or refined carbs(a normal diet for mankind, all the way up to before farming and agriculture I would guess).
The problem is that there is no known way i have seen that can replace what anti biotics kill, once they have upset that balance enough that it cannot recover by itself.

So erm.. I think juicing is a great way to give your body the best chance to fast and recieve enough nutrients on the short term.
But as JH79 has said, really people need to just stop eating really bad **** that has been labeled as food.
One issue there still is the anti biotics and steroids. I beleive there is a use for them, like if I am going todie froman infection, sure i might take a "chemo" hit to the gut just tosurvive a few more years. But for a chest infection thatis not pneumonia, i would never touch them.
I believe the origin of many illnesess now relating to digestion and allergies is the medical and pharmaceutical industry, combined with education and propaganda.
A system of culling maybe?
I wonder do the "elites" eat the same crap we are feed. Do they recieve anti biotics and steroids without advice or any awareness of consequences as most are?
Maybe they do and humanity is screwing itself. But the whole agenda 21 thing seems a simpler answer than, we are alljust really stupid as a race. Apparently we made it to the moon.
If I can detect/research the main issues with health and figure out the process causing illness, surely the experts have done so long ago.

Juicing and starving are not the same thing ........... they are not even minutely related in any way whatsoever in fact.

Juicing is properly feeding your body and, for some people, probably for the first time in an individual's life for many many years ........ whereas starving is just ........ starving!

MadDog76

The thing with Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead is Joe Cross and Phil Staples were way over-weight, unhealthy, medicated to the max and suffering from debilitating autoimmune diseases at the beginning of the documentary .......... they both did Juice only plans .......... by the end of the documentary (Juice plans) they both lost weight, looked a lot healthier, no longer needed their medication and were no longer suffering symptoms of their debilitating autoimmune diseases.

These are all facts available to see for yourself ......... even if you don't agree with their methods, no reasonable intelligent and logical person can disagree with the results ........ Juicing did/does work, simple as that

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

The thing with Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead is Joe Cross and Phil Staples were way over-weight, unhealthy, medicated to the max and suffering from debilitating autoimmune diseases at the beginning of the documentary .......... they both did Juice only plans .......... by the end of the documentary they both lost weight, looked a lot healthier, no longer needed their medication and were no longer suffering symptoms of their debilitating autoimmune diseases.

These are all facts available to see for yourself ......... even if you don't agree with their methods, no reasonable intelligent and logical person can disagree with the results ........ Juicing did/does work, simple as that

It is impossible to tell from the film whether it was the avoidance of trigger foods, an improved diet, juicing or a combination of all three that improved his situation.

MadDog76

jh79 wrote: »

It is impossible to tell from the film whether it was the avoidance of trigger foods, an improved diet, juicing or a combination of all three that improved his situation.

They went on a Juice only plan and the results speak for themselves ......... that much you can tell from the documentary

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

They went on a Juice only plan and the results speak for themselves ......... that much you can tell from the documentary

By juicing he avoided known triggers, no way of telling which had the greater influence, the juicing or the trigger avoidance.

MadDog76

jh79 wrote: »

By juicing he avoided known triggers, no way of telling which had the greater influence, the juicing or the trigger avoidance.

The very essence of a Juice only plan is to avoid everything ......... but Juice

And it works .......

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

The very essence of a Juice only plan is to avoid everything ......... but Juice

And it works .......

The movie doesn't prove that juicing has any advantage over a normal diet.

MadDog76

MadDog76 wrote: »

The thing with Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead is Joe Cross and Phil Staples were way over-weight, unhealthy, medicated to the max and suffering from debilitating autoimmune diseases at the beginning of the documentary .......... they both did Juice only plans .......... by the end of the documentary (Juice plans) they both lost weight, looked a lot healthier, no longer needed their medication and were no longer suffering symptoms of their debilitating autoimmune diseases.

These are all facts available to see for yourself ......... even if you don't agree with their methods, no reasonable intelligent and logical person can disagree with the results ........ Juicing did/does work, simple as that

jh79 wrote: »

The movie doesn't prove that juicing has any advantage over a normal diet.

Actually it proves exactly that .......... unless you can show me documentary evidence of an individual with the same issues/illnesses etc. that Joe and Phil have who embark on a 60 day "normal diet" and achieve the same astounding and dramatic results that Joe and Phil achieve?

As I've said no reasonable intelligent and logical person can disagree with the results ........

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

Actually it proves exactly that .......... unless you can show me documentary evidence of an individual with the same issues/illnesses etc. that Joe and Phil have who embark on a 60 day "normal diet" and achieve the same astounding and dramatic results that Joe and Phil achieve?

As I've said no reasonable intelligent and logical person can disagree with the results ........

People do it every day by avoiding their triggers. For some it's alcohol others caffeine.

Can you explain the magic powers of the blenders to me ?

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

Leaving aside what constitutes a "cure" lets look at what info the film gives us and what conclusions can be drawn;

1) He was obese, liked an hedonistic lifestyle and had a stressful job. He was on various medications including those to treat UC.

The causes of UC are generally unknown but triggers for flare ups of the illness are known , these include stress , alcohol and poor diet. His lifestyle meant he continually encountered these triggers.

The drugs he was taking either decreased swelling of the hives or were anti-histamines. We are never told of the effect of the drugs on the frequency and severity of his hives compared to prior to his treatment. So no conclusions can be drawn on their effectiveness in his case.

2) He fasted, juiced, had a holiday and took meds for 60 days leading to no flare ups.

We know by fasting and taking a holiday he removed a number of possible triggers ie alcohol, stress and diet based allergies / triggers. We know that the meds he was taking reduce either swelling or histamine levels and given the decrease in triggers would be more effective. We have no evidence that "juicing" had any effect here*.

3) He continued juicing and combined this with a healthy diet.

Again the healthy diet avoids known triggers negating the need for meds. The effects of juicing on his illness (which he still suffers from) remain unknown.

*Most nutrition based miracle cure CT's I've come across claim a conveniently vague mechanism of action whereby the nutrients improve the immune system (don't think it would work here anyways), in this case the triggers are removed meaning even if this were true we wouldn't be able to tell.

To make claims regarding the effectiveness of juicing over that of meds or just in general in treating UC he would need to revert to his old diet and then introduce juicing in place of his meds.

MadDog76 could you explain why my above summary of the film is flawed?

MadDog76

jh79 wrote: »

MadDog76 could you explain why my above summary of the film is flawed?

It's fundamentally flawed because it's a pre-conceived biased opinion that is ingrained in you before you even watched the movie that no matter what you saw in the movie you were never going to be open-minded ............ you decided before you saw the movie that you were not going agree with anything in it that defies your logic.

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

It's fundamentally flawed because it's a pre-conceived biased opinion that is ingrained in you before you even watched the movie that no matter what you saw in the movie you were never going to be open-minded ............ you decided before you saw the movie that you were not going agree with anything in it that defies your logic.

I think it is a fair appraisal of the movie , I was hoping you could tell me why I am wrong based on your interpretation of the movie.

Could you point out which parts of my logic are flawed?

MadDog76

jh79 wrote: »

I think it is a fair appraisal of the movie , I was hoping you could tell me why I am wrong based on your interpretation of the movie.

Could you point out which parts of my logic are flawed?

Of course you do ........ you're biased

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

Of course you do ........ you're biased

Why not point out where my perceived bias has compromised my summary?

MadDog76

jh79 wrote: »

Why not point out where my perceived bias has compromised my summary?

What would be the point?? If watching the movie wasn't enough to open your mind just a little bit then I am certainly not going to be able to ........ it would be a waste of my time and yours to be honest.

I was once like you ........ before I'd seen the movie, before I started researching Juicing, before I started Juicing .......... but with one notable difference ie. I have an open mind ....... I'm open to trying new things, I'm open to respecting people's life experience if they share them with me, I'm open to finding out for myself what works and doesn't work by actually doing rather than guessing ........ I'm a positive person who looks for the positive rather than the negatives.

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

What would be the point?? If watching the movie wasn't enough to open your mind just a little bit then I am certainly not going to be able to ........ it would be a waste of my time and yours to be honest.

I was once like you ........ before I'd seen the movie, before I started researching Juicing, before I started Juicing .......... but with one notable difference ie. I have an open mind ....... I'm open to trying new things, I'm open to respecting people's life experience if they share them with me, I'm open to finding out for myself what works and doesn't work by actually doing rather than guessing ........ I'm a positive person who looks for the positive rather than the negatives.

Why contribute to a thread about the movie if you're not willing to discuss it?

MadDog76

jh79 wrote: »

Why contribute to a thread about the movie if you're not willing to discuss it?

As a movie I found Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead hugely entertaining and quite funny while at the same raising some thought provoking ideas .........
Joe himself came across as really likeable.
He doesn't take himself too seriously ......... he doesn't come across as "preachy" ........ he empathises with the people he interviews in the movie that disagree with his Juice only plan ie. he didn't demonize specific foods or the people who ate them.

It could very easily have come across as a propaganda movie but it didn't ........ as somebody who had never even heard of Juicing at the time let alone tried it I really felt that I wanted Joe and Phil to succeed even if I didn't understand or agree with their methods (at the time) ........ and when they did succeed it was a heart-warming and inspirational ending to great movie.

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

As a movie I found Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead hugely entertaining and quite funny while at the same raising some thought provoking ideas .........
Joe himself came across as really likeable.
He doesn't take himself too seriously ......... he doesn't come across as "preachy" ........ he empathises with the people he interviews in the movie that disagree with his Juice only plan ie. he didn't demonize specific foods or the people who ate them.

It could very easily have come across as a propaganda movie but it didn't ........ as somebody who had never even heard of Juicing at the time let alone tried it I really felt that I wanted Joe and Phil to succeed even if I didn't understand or agree with their methods (at the time) ........ and when they did succeed it was a heart-warming and inspirational ending to great movie.

I found it a complete waste of time, everyone knows what food is good and what is bad. They chose the bad because they enjoy it.

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Can we please try to keep on the level here? I've asked you to provide evidence that chronic hives is obesity related as you seem to be repeating ad-infinitum.


What we do know: He had a condition that years of medication, hospital stays and the whole 9 yards couldn't cure.


cure (kūr)
1. the treatment of any disease, or of a special case.
2. the successful treatment of a disease or wound.
3. a system of treating diseases.
4. a medicine effective in treating a disease.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/cured


He stopped taking the medication and with the aid of a healthy diet his body cured itself. Or where do you disagree?

doctors will always recommend a good diet...

in this case by changing his diet he recovered... he was overweight, from a really bad diet and lack of exercise... there is nothing to prove his body cured anything, he stopped eating ****e and he got better...


modern medicine has cured millions of people.... and cannot be ignored...

while it is not 100% by any stretch it offers hope to many people.
yes the companies are in it to make money... but sure so are the fruit suppliers....
a balanced diet will give the body the best chance at recovery.... but a lot of times medicine is needed as well....

best of both worlds

MadDog76

jh79 wrote: »

I found it a complete waste of time, everyone knows what food is good and what is bad. They chose the bad because they enjoy it.

Of course you did ........ you had decided it was going to be a complete waste of time before you even watched the movie :rolleyes:

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

Of course you did ........ you had decided it was going to be a complete waste of time before you even watched the movie :rolleyes:

And i bet you had your mind made up too before you watched it , why are you afraid to address the issues I highlighted ? Are you that desperate to believe in "juicing" ?

MadDog76

MadDog76 wrote: »

As a movie I found Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead hugely entertaining and quite funny while at the same raising some thought provoking ideas .........
Joe himself came across as really likeable.
He doesn't take himself too seriously ......... he doesn't come across as "preachy" ........ he empathises with the people he interviews in the movie that disagree with his Juice only plan ie. he didn't demonize specific foods or the people who ate them.

It could very easily have come across as a propaganda movie but it didn't ........ as somebody who had never even heard of Juicing at the time let alone tried it I really felt that I wanted Joe and Phil to succeed even if I didn't understand or agree with their methods (at the time) ........ and when they did succeed it was a heart-warming and inspirational ending to great movie.

jh79 wrote: »

And i bet you had your mind made up too before you watched it , why are you afraid to address the issues I highlighted ? Are you that desperate to believe in "juicing" ?

See my above post ......... after watching the movie for the first time I definitely wasn't convinced but I thought "there's only one way to find out for sure ........." so I gave it a go and haven't looked back since!!!

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

See my above post ......... after watching the movie for the first time I definitely wasn't convinced but I thought "there's only one way to find out for sure ........." so I gave it a go and haven't looked back since!!!

But the thread is about the movie not your personal experiences , the movie in its design fails to show that juicing has any benefits above that of a normal diet.

MadDog76

MadDog76 wrote: »

The thing with Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead is Joe Cross and Phil Staples were way over-weight, unhealthy, medicated to the max and suffering from debilitating autoimmune diseases at the beginning of the documentary .......... they both did Juice only plans .......... by the end of the documentary (Juice plans) they both lost weight, looked a lot healthier, no longer needed their medication and were no longer suffering symptoms of their debilitating autoimmune diseases.

These are all facts available to see for yourself ......... even if you don't agree with their methods, no reasonable intelligent and logical person can disagree with the results ........ Juicing did/does work, simple as that

jh79 wrote: »

But the thread is about the movie not your personal experiences , the movie in its design fails to show that juicing has any benefits above that of a normal diet.

See my above post .........

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

See my above post .........

You still have not addressed the flaws i saw with the film, your evasive nature speaks volumes.

degrassinoel

This is fast becoming circular, can we take the next turn-off before we end up in personal-attack-town?

El_Duderino 09

Jh79 Would it be fair to say the movie demonstrates how juicing can be used as a method of changing to a healthy healthy diet?

So he changed a number of things in his life.

Diet
Stress
Triggers
Juicing instead of eating normally

There is no control condition in the movie so all we know it that he changed his diet from total junk with lots of triggers and stressful lifestyle, to a diet without the triggers, reduced stress, and he ingested that diet through juicing?

I also wonder if changing from eating to juicing was an interesting way to make such a complete change of diet. Instead of changing what he ate he stopped eating completely and that might have made the change in diet more doable in a strange way.

jh79

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Jh79 Would it be fair to say the movie demonstrates how juicing can be used as a method of changing to a healthy healthy diet?

So he changed a number of things in his life.

Diet
Stress
Triggers
Juicing instead of eating normally

There is no control condition in the movie so all we know it that he changed his diet from total junk with lots of triggers and stressful lifestyle, to a diet without the triggers, reduced stress, and he ingested that diet through juicing?

I also wonder if changing from eating to juicing was an interesting way to make such a complete change of diet. Instead of changing what he ate he stopped eating completely and that might have made the change in diet more doable in a strange way.

To me it was just an infomercial for breville blenders. We all know fruit and veg are good for us. I didn't find it informative at all.

I can see where your coming from with the extreme regime might make a person more focused . But faddish celebrity style extreme diets tend to fail in the long term.

In terms of the this thread, the film doesn't support the claims of the op in any way.

El_Duderino 09

jh79 wrote: »

To me it was just an infomercial for breville blenders. We all know fruit and veg are good for us. I didn't find it informative at all.

I can see where your coming from with the extreme regime might make a person more focused . But faddish celebrity style extreme diets tend to fail in the long term.

In terms of the this thread, the film doesn't support the claims of the op in any way.

Yeah fair enough. I checked the OP to see the claims being made and I dislike the notion that the body heals itself. If course the body heals itself (Cut your finger and it heals) but there is an attached notion that the body can heal itself of any illness which is obviously bunk.

In this case the guy stopped the negative lifestyle and replaced it with mostly positive. I generally agree but I think the movie over reaches and that annoys me.

Also I can see no CT here. Like jh79 said, everyone knows that eating fruit and veg is good for you. If you didn't know that and watched this movie, you might come away thinking juicing is magic rather than a good way to get extra veg into your diet

MadDog76

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Jh79 Would it be fair to say the movie demonstrates how juicing can be used as a method of changing to a healthy healthy diet?

So he changed a number of things in his life.

Diet
Stress
Triggers
Juicing instead of eating normally

There is no control condition in the movie so all we know it that he changed his diet from total junk with lots of triggers and stressful lifestyle, to a diet without the triggers, reduced stress, and he ingested that diet through juicing?

I also wonder if changing from eating to juicing was an interesting way to make such a complete change of diet. Instead of changing what he ate he stopped eating completely and that might have made the change in diet more doable in a strange way.

Totally agree with most of this post, in particular the highlighted sentence ......

MadDog76

degrassinoel wrote: »

This is fast becoming circular, can we take the next turn-off before we end up in personal-attack-town?

Thanks ........ the reason I re-posted some my posts in reply is exactly for this reason ........ the same questions are being asked which I've already answered ........ going around in circles

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

Totally agree with most of this post, in particular the highlighted sentence ......

What bit do you disagree with?

MadDog76

jh79 wrote: »

What bit do you disagree with?

I'm not gonna bite ......... we'll end up going around in circles again which the Mod has requested we don't do ........ I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree on this occasion

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

I'm not gonna bite ......... we'll end up going around in circles again which the Mod has requested we don't do ........ I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree on this occasion

Fair enough so leave it there.

jh79

So what is the "reboot" part of the process all about?

http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/rebooting/why/

Is it a cynical ploy to ensure that food triggers and allergens are removed form the followers diet to give the impression that "juicing" is imparting magical healing powers or is it just a re-branding of the detox myth?

MadDog76

jh79 wrote: »

So what is the "reboot" part of the process all about?

http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/rebooting/why/

Is it a cynical ploy to ensure that food triggers and allergens are removed form the followers diet to give the impression that "juicing" is imparting magical healing powers or is it just a re-branding of the detox myth?

The answers to your questions are on the site which you provided a link to .........

jh79

MadDog76 wrote: »

The answers to your questions are on the site which you provided a link to .........

Doesn't explain what advantage the fasting has over just reducing intake of so called unhealthy food.

How does fasting release "stored toxins"?

degrassinoel

jh79 wrote: »

Fair enough so leave it there.

give it a rest jh79 - he's answered as much as he wants to, you cant keep badgering another poster like that and expect mods to ignore it. This is the last on-thread warning about this I'm going to give.

jh79

degrassinoel wrote: »

give it a rest jh79 - he's answered as much as he wants to, you cant keep badgering another poster like that and expect mods to ignore it. This is the last on-thread warning about this I'm going to give.

Fair enough so, are the post about rebooting ok they weren't aimed at Maddog , it was a genuine question about an aspect of the movie that sounds a bit suspect?

degrassinoel

yeah, certainly

weisses

jh79 wrote: »

So what is the "reboot" part of the process all about?

http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/rebooting/why/

Is it a cynical ploy to ensure that food triggers and allergens are removed form the followers diet to give the impression that "juicing" is imparting magical healing powers or is it just a re-branding of the detox myth?

What is exactly the cynical ploy here?

A Reboot program, followed by a healthy lifestyle helps you:

- Boost the number of fruits and vegetables you consume daily

- Break the cycle of unhealthy eating and crave healthy foods

- Jumpstart a weight loss plan

- Manage a healthy weight

- Lower the risk of life-threatening diseases

- Promote longevity

- Decrease aches and pains in joints and muscles

- Boost your immune system

- Release stored toxins

- Increase energy levels

- Promote beautiful and healthy skin, nails and hair

- Ease digestion by accessing digestive enzymes locked away in whole produce

jh79

weisses wrote: »

What is exactly the cynical ploy here?

A Reboot program, followed by a healthy lifestyle helps you:

- Boost the number of fruits and vegetables you consume daily

- Break the cycle of unhealthy eating and crave healthy foods

- Jumpstart a weight loss plan

- Manage a healthy weight

- Lower the risk of life-threatening diseases

- Promote longevity

- Decrease aches and pains in joints and muscles

- Boost your immune system

- Release stored toxins

- Increase energy levels

- Promote beautiful and healthy skin, nails and hair

- Ease digestion by accessing digestive enzymes locked away in whole produce

Why go to the extreme of fasting when the above can be achieved with a healthy balanced diet?

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

Why go to the extreme of fasting when the above can be achieved with a healthy balanced diet?

Except for removing stored toxins which diet has no influence over

jh79

weisses wrote: »

What is exactly the cynical ploy here?

A Reboot program, followed by a healthy lifestyle helps you:

- Boost the number of fruits and vegetables you consume daily

- Break the cycle of unhealthy eating and crave healthy foods

- Jumpstart a weight loss plan

- Manage a healthy weight

- Lower the risk of life-threatening diseases

- Promote longevity

- Decrease aches and pains in joints and muscles

- Boost your immune system

- Release stored toxins

- Increase energy levels

- Promote beautiful and healthy skin, nails and hair

- Ease digestion by accessing digestive enzymes locked away in whole produce

It gives the impression of a "cure", reality is the reboot avoids known triggers and lessen symptoms of diet related illnesses the " juice" has little influence.

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

Why go to the extreme of fasting when the above can be achieved with a healthy balanced diet?

It's because the extreme measure makes it a gimmick and makes it more marketable.
"Eat more healthily" doesn't sell as well or make as much of an attention grabbing movie as "secret trick to cure everything."

MadDog76

King Mob wrote: »

It's because the extreme measure makes it a gimmick and makes it more marketable.
"Eat more healthily" doesn't sell as well or make as much of an attention grabbing movie as "secret trick to cure everything."

But what about all those people (me included) who have tried this "secret trick" and it has worked for them in abundance ......... ???

Also the movie (I assume you've watched it?) was meant first and foremost to be entertainment which it achieved for many people (also like me) regardless if you had ever Juiced before watching the movie (I hadn't) or if you decided to try Juicing after the movie (I did) or not ........... and like every movie some will find it interesting or entertaining or funny or informative ....... and some just won't like it.