Manchester City vs Manchester United 2/11/'14 k/o 1.30pm Sky Mod warning in op

Timmyctc

Bridge93 wrote: »

2 certains pens first half one which wouldve seen Rojo off. One i can remember second half which was more debateable

rojo won the ball in a 50/50.. Aguero dived in your "debateable" pen. City shouldve had a pen in 1st half for fell clipping Agueros heel.

on the other side of the coin the ref seemed allergic to booking city players. Zabaleta getting away with a challenge identical to smallings sending off

PhlegmyMoses

Why are discussing Chelsea here?

Anyway, we got 1 point more than I thought we would from these two fixtures. Why do we always **** the bed against City?

Adamocovic

fullstop wrote: »

He didn't have the lowest points total since 1986 after 10 games though did he? Or spend anything like what Van Gaal has. Moyes was poor but LVG has been no better.

Every time a result goes against United the Moyes VG comparisons come back. Personally I find it a bit pointless. Both are doing completely different jobs. VG has brought in a lot of new players and trying to change the way the team is playing while Moyes kept a very similar approach that Ferguson had already had in place and didn't make too many changes to the squad.

Obviously VG results haven't been great but at least there are signs he is making changes, I liked Moyes but the fact it didn't seem like much change was occurring is why many fans lost faith.

Anyhow it's going off topic a good bit so back to the match..

Think City should have had a penalty alright and that would have changed the game, Smalling making a stupid decision for the first yellow cost the team a good bit. United though did show some promising signs but their set pieces were shocking.

If United were going to have any chance of winning they needed to take full advantage of every set piece, something they didn't do.

5starpool

Charlie19 wrote: »

LVG takes the record that Moyes couldn't achieve, worst points total after 10 games, record that was previously held by fergie for 1986 season.

Was it not Ron Atkinson's record that was the reason Ferguson was hired in the first place?

Fudge You

Timmyctc wrote: »

rojo won the ball in a 50/50..

It was from behind.
Definite peno, ref got that wrong.

Billy86

fullstop wrote: »

He didn't have the lowest points total since 1986 after 10 games though did he? Or spend anything like what Van Gaal has. Moyes was poor but LVG has been no better.

It's a mentality issue also - LVG took over a team completely devoid of confidence and we have looked mentally and tactically better as the season has gone on. It's very earn that teams do a u turn after the horror show that was last season. For me Moyes'tactics were cowardly, playing not to lose against any decent teams and falling into a shell whenever we got a lead regardless of the opposition, which is utterly inexcusable... he didn't know how to manage a big team, whereas LVG clearly does.

Not saying LVG has been perfect by any stretch, but Moyes was an absolute disaster. And while the money don't does bare mentioning, Moyes had Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra in defence where LVG has a teenager, a guy new to the country who doesn't speak English yet and McNair.

Fudge You

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

If you need to have it explained to you why, there is no point

Well at least utd are level on points with newcastle. Great start to the season

Timmyctc

Fudge You wrote: »

It was from behind.
Definite peno, ref got that wrong.

doesn't really matter where it was from. He didn't clean through toure. He went between his legs.

Nailz

Very disappointed with the loss, Smalling's foolishness is mostly to blame, it was always likely to come back to bite us.

But from a United perspective, Fellaini was magnificent, bossed things like we were used to seeing and proved those wrong who doubted his abilities, our best player along with Blind today.

Also, well done to Carrick, who did a brilliant job coming into CB, played well on the ball too. McNair and Wilson showed promising flashes as well.

Bridge93

Timmyctc wrote: »

oh dry up. Rojo won the ball. Its like saying roo deserved a pen in 2nd half when he ran into dimichelles

deluded, ill dry up if you grow up.

PhlegmyMoses

Fudge You wrote: »

Well at least utd are level on points with newcastle. Great start to the season

United will get top 4 this year. We hadn't a sniff of that last year.

blueser

Timmyctc wrote: »

rojo won the ball in a 50/50.. Aguero dived in your "debateable" pen. City shouldve had a pen in 1st half for fell clipping Agueros heel.

on the other side of the coin the ref seemed allergic to booking city players. Zabaleta getting away with a challenge identical to smallings sending off

Give over. It was a penalty all day long. If the ref was competent, we'd have possibly been 2 up (score 1, miss 1 of those two penalties) and also be playing against 9 men.

MagicIRL

hahah Souness saying going down to 10men didn't change the game. What a bollox.

darced

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Utopia Parkway

Timmyctc wrote: »

doesn't really matter where it was from. He didn't clean through toure. He went between his legs.

It was a pen. You can't go through someone to win the ball.

Charlie19

5starpool wrote: »

Was it not Ron Atkinson's record that was the reason Ferguson was hired in the first place?

You're dead right Ron was sacked in november, I picked up the lads wrong on sky.

Fudge You

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

United will get top 4 this year. We hadn't a sniff of that last year.

Yeah Newcastle are on the way up.

madcabbage

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

It was a pen. You can't go through someone to win the ball.

Did he get the ball before the contact? That's the head scratcher, I don't know the ruling in that position but I'd imagine it's legit if the ball is won before contact?

RasTa

Time to sack LVG so, get Koeman in or whatever flavour of the month.

If our players could stop getting sent off or giving away stupid peno's, that'd be great.

Turtyturd

Well done City.

Even with their slump in form they always had the quality to pick up a result here handily enough. Bad finishing from Navas in the first half, and the ref's refusal to award City either of their legitimate penalty claims made it seem closer than it was.

Bridge93

Uniteds results havent been great but then that can be said for nearly all teams. The league is far more bunched this year. They may be a bit behind last year points wise but they're only 4 points off 4th. Performances just seem that bit more promising too.

Bridge93

Fudge You wrote: »

Yeah Newcastle are on the way up.

They actually are though haha, 3 wins in a row would bring you into the pack.

Timmyctc

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

It was a pen. You can't go through someone to win the ball.

you can win the ball between peoples legs. Which is what rojo did innit bruv.

Rayne Wooney

darced wrote: »

Van gaal is getting away lightly so far surely he will come under fire now, very poor results, worse than Moyes,and the players he brought in bar Di maria don't look near good enough.

Lol

niallo27

GavRedKing wrote: »

Haha.

8 wins, 2 draws.

We're pretty good, best in the league actually.

I think Chelsea will win the league but not by 20 to 25 I have heard branded around.

Timmyctc

Timmyctc wrote: »

rojo won the ball in a 50/50.. Aguero dived in your "debateable" pen. City shouldve had a pen in 1st half for fell clipping Agueros heel.

on the other side of the coin the ref seemed allergic to booking city players. Zabaleta getting away with a challenge identical to smallings sending off

Serious red tinted glasses here.

3 of city's pen claims were dead certs.

City also had more players booked than Utd

niallo27

RasTa wrote: »

Time to sack LVG so, get Koeman in or whatever flavour of the month.

If our players could stop getting sent off or giving away stupid peno's, that'd be great.

Discipline starts from the top surely though.

Bridge93

niallo27 wrote: »

I think Chelsea will win the league but not by 20 to 25 I have heard branded around.

Yeah that would need Chelsea to get probably 100 points are just under. Pretty unlikely, even the great team they previously had couldn't do that.

IncognitoMan

I am a lot lot more confident in the direction the team is going in this season over last. We are going to improve. Sure even today we were better in midfield than city up until the sending off. Couldn't have said that at any stage against city over the last 4/5 seasons

Barr

City looked shaky at the end , they don't look the same side as last year

Timmyctc

niallo27 wrote: »

I think Chelsea will win the league but not by 20 to 25 I have heard branded around.

Unless something catastrophic happens Chelsea will be winning it with a good bit of breathing room. City, Arsenal and one of United /Soton/Liverpool for top 4 imo

PhlegmyMoses

darced wrote: »

Van gaal is getting away lightly so far surely he will come under fire now, very poor results, worse than Moyes,and the players he brought in bar Di maria don't look near good enough.

This is a really awful opinion. All the players have showed good points. No way I'd be writing them off as not looking good enough.

And LVG is not under fire because things are better. The league table belies some good stuff from United, which we didn't see last year. I'm confident we'll get top 4 this year

niallo27

Timmyctc wrote: »

Unless something catastrophic happens Chelsea will be winning it with a good bit of breathing room. City, Arsenal and one of United /Soton/Liverpool for top 4 imo

Well city are supposed to be in a mini crisis but are only 6 points off. Chelsea had the league won last year and ****ed it up. Long way to go.

GavRedKing

niallo27 wrote: »

I think Chelsea will win the league but not by 20 to 25 I have heard branded around.

Of course not, i predict if we do win it, itll be between 3-6 points.

Timmyctc

rarnes1 wrote: »

Serious red tinted glasses here.

3 of city's pen claims were dead certs.

City also had more players booked than Utd

3 Pen claims? They had three in total. One was pen. One was an Aguero dive. One was debateavle but on replay shows rojo wins the ball through toures legs. Zabaleta slid in late on RvP and got away without a booking. 5Mins later Smalling does the same thing and is sent off.

Zab got away until near the end of the game without a booking when he could have had 2 or 3. Clichy likewise could easily have been booked 1 r 2 times for blatant fouls on januzaj. On the balance of things the ref was **** for both teams.

Amirani

Bridge93 wrote: »

deluded, ill dry up if you grow up.

Less of the petty bickering please guys.

niallo27

Timmyctc wrote: »

3 Pen claims? They had three in total. One was pen. One was an Aguero dive. One was debateavle but on replay shows rojo wins the ball through toures legs. Zabaleta slid in late on RvP and got away without a booking. 5Mins later Smalling does the same thing and is sent off.

Zab got away until near the end of the game without a booking when he could have had 2 or 3. Clichy likewise could easily have been booked 1 r 2 times for blatant fouls on januzaj. On the balance of things the ref was **** for both teams.

Missing a booking is not the same as missing a pen though.

Anyone calling the league this early never mind top 4 is nuts.

Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool all had it "won" last year!!

Long way to go

Utopia Parkway

Timmyctc wrote: »

3 Pen claims? They had three in total. One was pen. One was an Aguero dive. One was debateavle but on replay shows rojo wins the ball through toures legs. Zabaleta slid in late on RvP and got away without a booking. 5Mins later Smalling does the same thing and is sent off.

That is funny stuff.

Mr Alan

Bizarre game. But decent to watch.

City were average enough but the much better side except for the last 15 mins when they inexplicably tried their best to give something to Utd.

Ref was absolutely shocking & City should have had 3 penos & Utd should have had 9 men.

Timmyctc

niallo27 wrote: »

Missing a booking is not the same as missing a pen though.

point was that he was poor for both sides. Missed a few important bookings. I.e. If zabaletas wasn't a booking why was smallings and vice versa.
SaidMyself that city deserved a pen tho.

Timmyctc

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

That is funny stuff.

that's an insightful and articulate analysis you have of the game. Please continue to contribute such meaningful and impressive additions to the thread xoxox

PhlegmyMoses

I think the Rojo pen isn't as nailed on as people are saying. Gets the ball through Toure's legs then takes him out. All tackles involve getting the ball then the man.

Mr Alan

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I think the Rojo pen isn't as nailed on as people are saying. Gets the ball through Toure's legs then takes him out. All tackles involve getting the ball then the man.

It was stonewall. Only Utd fans will think otherwise.

Timmyctc

Timmyctc wrote: »

3 Pen claims? They had three in total. One was pen. One was an Aguero dive. One was debateavle but on replay shows rojo wins the ball through toures legs. Zabaleta slid in late on RvP and got away without a booking. 5Mins later Smalling does the same thing and is sent off.

Zab got away until near the end of the game without a booking when he could have had 2 or 3. Clichy likewise could easily have been booked 1 r 2 times for blatant fouls on januzaj. On the balance of things the ref was **** for both teams.

3 pens were dead certs.

Utd were given an easy ride by the ref tbh. Game should have been out of sight by HT

PhlegmyMoses

Mr Alan wrote: »

It was stonewall. Only Utd fans will think otherwise.

Sure you're a City fan these days anyway, can't trust your opinion. :pac:

Utopia Parkway

Timmyctc wrote: »

that's an insightful and articulate analysis you have of the game. Please continue to contribute such meaningful and impressive additions to the thread xoxox

It's hard to take serious in fairness. Only one was actually a pen. Really? Even Paddy Crerand would find it difficult to argue that.

Timmyctc

rarnes1 wrote: »

3 pens were dead certs.

Utd were given an easy ride by the ref tbh. Game should have been out of sight by HT

Which 3 and what other pen claims did they get? Just because the crowd shouts "Handball" when a ball hits a players midrift or is kicked at a player from point blank range, doesn't mean its a legit pen claim. Augero dived in the 2nd half. Should have won one in the 1st half and Rojo took the ball first, then Touré's inner thigh in a 50/50 challenge for the 2nd.

Oranage2

Probably the only silver lining for united this week was their main rivals dropping points to stoke.

Very.poor from smalling, also nearly 70 million for di Maria he has to beat the first man from set pieces. Thought carrick played very well though.

darced

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