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Manchester City vs Manchester United 2/11/'14 k/o 1.30pm Sky Mod warning in op

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  • #852
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    fullstop wrote: »
    A string of spit came out of his mouth and landed on Aguero. So what does that look like?

    If you make it super slowmo them spit leaves his mouth.. He was shouting and drool came out..

    Stop trying to make a non story into more than it is


  • #853
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,501 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    I thought it looked like drool.

    Apt username :p


  • #854
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    fullstop wrote: »
    A string of spit came out of his mouth and landed on Aguero. So what does that look like?

    Dribble/drool whatever you want to call it.


  • #855
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    PhlegmyMoses wrote: »
    I thought it looked like drool.

    I agree. He was roaring in his face and a gob of drool came out.


  • #856
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    fullstop wrote: »
    A string of spit came out of his mouth and landed on Aguero. So what does that look like?
    Drool, snot, bile, water, piss, sweat whatever it was came out as a consequence of expending energy and then shouting at Aguero for going down too easily.

    It would make as much sense to retrospectively charge Aguero for diving as it would to charge Fellani for spitting.


  • #857
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,501 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    K4t wrote: »
    Drool, snot, bile, water, piss, sweat whatever it was came out as a consequence of expending energy and then shouting at Aguero for going down too easily.

    It would make as much sense to retrospectively charge Aguero for diving as it would to charge Fellani for spitting.

    But Aguero definitely didn't dive, it's up for debate whether Fellaini spat


  • #858
    PhlegmyMoses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    fullstop wrote: »
    Apt username :p

    I feel like I'm eminently qualified to make a judgement.


  • #859
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    fullstop wrote: »
    But Aguero definitely didn't dive, it's up for debate whether Fellaini spat
    And fellani definitely didn't spit.

    It's not a debate which sensible people are taking seriously.


  • #860
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    In Smalling's first yellow card, what exactly is the foul for ?

    The ball is in play right? So no reason to go back 10 yards.
    Is the goalie allowed a free hit with players back a good distance if he catches it?

    Think I recall George Best and even Garry Crosby doing stuff like that back in the day, and getting goals out of it


  • #861
    Darkglasses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    In Smalling's first yellow card, what exactly is the foul for ?

    The ball is in play right? So no reason to go back 10 yards.
    Is the goalie allowed a free hit with players back a good distance if he catches it?

    Think I recall George Best and even Garry Crosby doing stuff like that back in the day, and getting goals out of it

    You have to be moving out of the box once the keeper has the ball in his hands. You can block him as long as you're outside the box, or moving away. Smalling was really hanging in front of him


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  • #862
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Darkglasses wrote: »
    You have to be moving out of the box once the keeper has the ball in his hands. You can block him as long as you're outside the box, or moving away. Smalling was really hanging in front of him

    Was Smalling in the box? I can't really remember it well, thought he might have been very close.


  • #863
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Darkglasses wrote: »
    You have to be moving out of the box once the keeper has the ball in his hands. You can block him as long as you're outside the box, or moving away. Smalling was really hanging in front of him

    Is that really a rule, you have to be moving out of the box if the keeper catches the ball? Is it defenders too?
    Do you need to actively get out of the keepers way?

    Seems odd. I though the keeper's advantage was that he could use his hands inside the box.

    Who'd be a ref, eh?!


  • #864
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    Was Smalling in the box? I can't really remember it well, thought he might have been very close.

    Close but just inside, if it's relevant


  • #865
    Darkglasses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,526 ✭✭✭✭Darkglasses


    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    Was Smalling in the box? I can't really remember it well, thought he might have been very close.

    Yeah I'm pretty positive he was, I certainly thought it was a card immediately
    keeponhurling wrote: »
    Is that really a rule, you have to be moving out of the box if the keeper catches the ball? Is it defenders too?
    Do you need to actively get out of the keepers way?

    Seems odd. I though the keeper's advantage was that he could use his hands inside the box.

    Who'd be a ref, eh?!

    To be honest I can't quote the law word-for-word or anything, but that's definitely how it's enforced. Maybe somebody else can look it up for me :D


  • #866
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Darkglasses wrote: »
    Yeah I'm pretty positive he was, I certainly thought it was a card immediately



    To be honest I can't quote the law word-for-word or anything, but that's definitely how it's enforced. Maybe somebody else can look it up for me :D

    I was that pissed off at him for getting the booking I almost blocked it out. I knew it would come back to bite him in the arse, just didn't think it would be so soon.


  • #867
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    Is that really a rule, you have to be moving out of the box if the keeper catches the ball? Is it defenders too?
    Do you need to actively get out of the keepers way?

    Seems odd. I though the keeper's advantage was that he could use his hands inside the box.

    Who'd be a ref, eh?!

    Your not allowed to lift your leg when the keeper is kicking it out, Smalling clearly raised his leg when Heart went to kick it out!

    Yellow all day long!


  • #868
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Most keepers come to the edge or even outside of the box to kick it out of their hands. You can stand outside the 18 yard box and try and block the kick which I guess is what Smalling was trying to do but had already blocked Hart's progress and then stupidly wasn't outside the box when he raised his leg.


  • #869
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Your not allowed to lift your leg when the keeper is kicking it out, Smalling clearly raised his leg when Heart went to kick it out!

    Yellow all day long!

    I doubt that's the rule, open to correction obviously. Sure where do you draw the line? If Smalling was 5 yards away would he not be able to raise a leg and intercept a kickout?


  • #870
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    The ball had already been kicked out by Hart.
    Unless there is a rule to be back 10 yards or something, I still find it hard to see how it's a foul.

    If a guy stands on front of you , the keeper still has the option to throw it over their head


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  • #871
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    The ball had already been kicked out by Hart.
    Unless there is a rule to be back 10 yards or something, I still find it hard to see how it's a foul.

    If a guy stands on front of you , the keeper still has the option to throw it over their head


    You can't impede the goalkeeper when he's kicking the ball. Smalling did that.


  • #872
    blueser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,725 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    Maybe now, after watching MOTD2, the nonsense about there being only one legitimate penalty can be put to bed.


  • #873
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,612 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Michael Oliver had a shocker here. 3, and possibly 4, stonewall pens.


  • #874
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    blueser wrote: »
    Maybe now, after watching MOTD2, the nonsense about there being only one legitimate penalty can be put to bed.

    Was there really much nonsense? I think most United fans know they got off very lightly with the penalty shouts.


  • #875
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    Was there really much nonsense? I think most United fans know they got off very lightly with the penalty shouts.

    The foul by Rojo on Toure was obvious, very poor from the ref to miss it (and red card!)

    The two on Aguero, while they probably should have been given, the foul was not obvious (especially for the ref only seeing it in real time) so I'd forgive him.
    The theatrical fall for the first may have worked against Aguero for the second.

    I think most United fans know that if they started the second half with 9 men, it wouldn't have been pretty.

    Not booking Zabaleta was another one where it's very hard to know, even just watching in real time, why there was no yellow.
    He gave a free so must have seen it.
    Didn't make any difference in the game, but in explicable all the same.

    Not booking Hart as well didn't do himself any favours, players will have seen that and thought it's ok to be shouting in the ref's face


  • #876
    Avada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭Avada


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    The ball had already been kicked out by Hart.
    Unless there is a rule to be back 10 yards or something, I still find it hard to see how it's a foul.

    If a guy stands on front of you , the keeper still has the option to throw it over their head

    Here is the law word for word:

    • It is an offence for a player to prevent a goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands
    • A player must be penalised for playing in a dangerous manner if he kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
    • It is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him, e.g. at the taking of a corner kick

    Smalling was stupid and deserved a yellow


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