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Lots to respond to here!
Well done, the mileage is building nicely! Don't worry too much about the pace on your shorter/harder run for now, focus on the effort and the pace will come.
Just a thought...and I will be recommending that you start to think about building towards this on the novice thread: (have a chat with Shona anyway)
- Could you reduce the intensity on the Monday core session,
- move the hard four mile to Tuesday,
- easy/recovery run Wednesday (30 mins)
- easy long run on Thursday (5 miles instead of 6) with some injection of pace/strides towards the end
- rest Friday and
- lsr Sat/Sunday?
Have a think anyway. Most people will be reducing their gym work towards the end of the marathon training cycle to focus on maintaining an aerobic base of 4-6 days running but as mentioned earlier on this thread, there is more than one way to skin a cat
+1 as I said before I really think the introduction of a very short, very easy 4th running day would have a massive advantage down the line. For now you can keep up the same mileage with less stress on the body and further down the line it means it will be easier to build the mileage.
I hear what you're saying and I'll talk it over with my coach and trainer. I realise I will be getting lots of good but different advice from different people over the next few months. If I don't follow anyone's particular advice, please don't be offended or feel like I've just ignored it. I'll take everything in and then decide from there. An informed decision is best and so I DO appreciate the constructive advice I'll be getting.frankie2shoes wrote: »Hi,
I really enjoy reading your logs. Although I run at a different pace to you I share some of your goals and am delighted to see your progress
I have no advice to give as I clearly (see my log) have no idea what I'm doing but your log motivated me to start mine and I find your commitment inspiring!
I think there is a lot of sound advice being given on boards by people who know what they're doing but not enough slaps on the back for simply getting out there and doing the hard miles!
well done us!!
best of luck with the training
Frankie
Thanks, Frankie. I really appreciate that I will check out your training log, I'm sure it's awesome! Some days I don't know what I'm doing either :rolleyes: but it's all worth it in the end! Keep it up. See you 'round the boards!Chivito550 wrote: »Sorry to go off topic TFGR, but I'm being deadly serious when I say this, but when you get a chance could you maybe go down to your local Athletics club and inquire about having a go at the shot putt to see if there is any natural talent there that can be nurtured. You seem to do a lot of strength work, and if you have quite a low BF% then that is an obvious sign to me that you could have the explosive strength for that event and be competitive in it. I know you have your heart set on the marathon and that's great, but do keep it in mind. It looks like a far better fit for you athletic abilities IMO.NetwerkErrer wrote: »It's not always about what you can be the best at Chivito. It's always about doing what you enjoy.
I looked up women's shot put on youtube to see what it's all about. I noticed some of the women had body shapes like mine so I don't think the idea is completely implausible. However, I have really bad coordination/balance issues and I think I'd fall over if I tried it! Honestly, I can't even dance! I can barely stand on one leg to stretch and you should see me try to do the more advanced plank moves. I fall over...alot!
It looks like there are so many rules to remember; keep the shot put close to the neck, throw above the shoulder, stay in the circle, throw has to land in the right angle etc etc...doing all that AND trying to stay upright?! I think it would be really challenging for me!
I DO enjoy running, and at least I know I'm not going to fall over doing it. Although, having said that I nearly did fall over on my run today. :pac:
Chivito I just wanted you to know I took your suggestion seriously and looked it up. I think I did do some shot put when I was a kid (waaaaaay back) but can't recall if I was every any good at it. I probably wasn't
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It's very technical and takes time, but trust me, only the best in the world get it all right. I've seen people do more basic type technique, without the whole spinning element, and do fine.
Also running and shot putt aren't mutually exclusive. You could do both. It's definitely something you could look towards in the future. You've know idea what your potential might be until you try it. I could be wrong of course, but going off some of the stuff you have mentioned in this log, it could be a long term fit, and a good way of staying healthy, if weight loss isn't a specific goal.
Oh, and shot putt is great fun, as bad as I was at it when I used to do it the odd time 0 -
Chivito550 wrote: »It's very technical and takes time, but trust me, only the best in the world get it all right. I've seen people do more basic type technique, without the whole spinning element, and do fine.
Also running and shot putt aren't mutually exclusive. You could do both. It's definitely something you could look towards in the future. You've know idea what your potential might be until you try it. I could be wrong of course, but going off some of the stuff you have mentioned in this log, it could be a long term fit, and a good way of staying healthy, if weight loss isn't a specific goal.
Oh, and shot putt is great fun, as bad as I was at it when I used to do it the odd time
One thing I heard on one of the youtube videos I watched was that shot putt 'shreds your calves'. That doesn't sound like a good thing
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This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »Saturday: Assessment day with my trainer. Very disappointing results considering the month of training and running I've been doing. It really got me down. Ended up going for coffee with him and talking things over.
when you say you were dissapointed with the results what in particular was making you feel like that? How did your discussion go with your trainer then, did he have any feedback for you?
they say running is 90% mental so if you can work through the negativity it'll be a big help for you on Monday, good luck with it 0 -
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when you say you were dissapointed with the results what in particular was making you feel like that? How did your discussion go with your trainer then, did he have any feedback for you?
they say running is 90% mental so if you can work through the negativity it'll be a big help for you on Monday, good luck with ithillsiderunner wrote: »You know also, a month is not so long in running .... you wouldn't necessarily be seeing improvements from increased training yet.
Disappointing in that there was absolutely no change whatsoever in terms of my weight AND measurements. Fair enough if my weight doesn't change as I've never been too fussed about the scales but to see no difference in my measurements was disheartening. Felt like all the hard work I've been doing has been wasted. The month is in terms of how long it was since my last assessment. I've been marathon training for nearly two months now.
So my trainer and I talked about my nutrition, and what I could be doing differently with what I'm eating. I'm also going to start wearing a heart rate monitor when I run as he wants to see whether or not I'm in the right ranges. He did say that there were other factors that could have affected the results aka 'women troubles' and that I shouldn't be discouraged.
It really is a mental battle, because no matter what my trainer and coach say I will always be too hard on myself. It didn't stop me from doing my workout with him last night, but it did stop me from enjoying it and that makes me really sad.0 -
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This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »Disappointing in that there was absolutely no change whatsoever in terms of my weight AND measurements. Fair enough if my weight doesn't change as I've never been too fussed about the scales but to see no difference in my measurements was disheartening. Felt like all the hard work I've been doing has been wasted. The month is in terms of how long it was since my last assessment. I've been marathon training for nearly two months now.
So my trainer and I talked about my nutrition, and what I could be doing differently with what I'm eating. I'm also going to start wearing a heart rate monitor when I run as he wants to see whether or not I'm in the right ranges. He did say that there were other factors that could have affected the results aka 'women troubles' and that I shouldn't be discouraged.
It really is a mental battle, because no matter what my trainer and coach say I will always be too hard on myself. It didn't stop me from doing my workout with him last night, but it did stop me from enjoying it and that makes me really sad.
no matter what the results are the hard work you've done will never be a waste. Sometimes things can stagnate, sometimes we don't eat enough to compensate for the increase in mileage, sometimes the reason can't be found but don't loose heart, the results will come and the lesson learned are invaluable whether its to improve diet, work harder or just plain stick with it For what its worth I use myfitnesspal.com to log food and exercise to make sure I'm eating enough but not too much to match the miles I put in. 0 -
no matter what the results are the hard work you've done will never be a waste. Sometimes things can stagnate, sometimes we don't eat enough to compensate for the increase in mileage, sometimes the reason can't be found but don't loose heart, the results will come and the lesson learned are invaluable whether its to improve diet, work harder or just plain stick with it For what its worth I use myfitnesspal.com to log food and exercise to make sure I'm eating enough but not too much to match the miles I put in.
Thank you.
What's funny is how at odds people are with advice. On my thread here most people think I eat too much but my coach and trainer think I don't eat enough (I average 1700 calories a day, from non-processed, healthy food).
Last week I lost the run of myself and had a doughnut one day and a packet of crisps another day with my usual Friday treat. I don't normally eat that badly so I'm not sure what happened or why I even did that.
I didn't sleep well last night either, and having a bad day at work isn't helping. I think tonight, as it's a rest day, I will go home and have my dinner then just crawl into bed. A dark, cozy cocoon of my duvet and cuddly kitty sounds like heaven right now.0 -
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Possibly the reason for the donut and crisps is tiredness. It can cause people to eat more to get some energy. To be honest I wouldn't call one donut and a bag of crisps losing the run of yourself
... but it's only a blip either way.
+1 to the progress not being linear .. I don't have weight-loss experience but I notice a similar thing with training and improvements. When I was working back into running in spring it took more than a couple of months before I started to feel my fitness increasing. Can be hard to take the long-term view all the time, but the picture might be different in a month or two.0 -
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I remember looking at your diet when you first posted it and being impressed that it's very healthy... with the training you're doing and a healthy diet, you will definitely see benefits, but as others have said it's not always as linear as we would like.
And don't worry, you'll have more down moments during your marathon training, that's the nature of the beast getting out for a run is the best anti-depressant I know of 0 -
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Yes, best of luck. You've been working hard to get here and I would like nothing more than to see it pay off. Most of all enjoy!
(Ps if I have read the forecast right, the wind should be in our backs for the return journey ) 0 -
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CassieManson wrote: »Hi there, just wondering how you got on yesterday? Hope all your training paid off!
It sure did!
Official finish time of 1:26:35 which is over 10 minutes faster from last year! Not only that but I also completed my goal of running the whole thing without stopping to walk! I'm twice as chuffed! 0 -
This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »It sure did!
Official finish time of 1:26:35 which is over 10 minutes faster from last year! Not only that but I also completed my goal of running the whole thing without stopping to walk! I'm twice as chuffed!
Well done TFGR!! Will you be doing a detailed post on Boards or your blog about it?0 -
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Sunny Dayz wrote: »Well done TFGR!! Will you be doing a detailed post on Boards or your blog about it?
Thank you! Yes, I'm working on a race report today. Sometimes that's my favourite part of the race! 0 -
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Full race report with photos on my blog but here are the highlights!
At 11, I had my usual pre-race fuel of porridge then got dressed in my running gear. Normally I don’t take anything with me to a race so I can avoid the bag drop zones; I can usually get by with what I can carry in my arm pocket, but it being such a wet day I knew I would want a dry hoodie for after the race. I’ve also learned to never rely on there being water after a race so I packed a couple of small water bottles in my bag. It was interesting trying to decide what to bring and what I might need. I had to stop myself from bringing stuff that would have been useless!
It was while I was getting breakfast that I started to feel the butterflies in my stomach. I finally began thinking about my goals for the day and started to wonder; could I do it? Could I really smash it like I wanted to?
My first goal, which I’ve had in my mind since last year’s race, was to run the 10k from start to finish. No stopping. No walking.
My second goal, a more recent idea, was to beat my previous time by 10 minutes.
Not impossible goals, to be sure, but given the negative place I’d been in recently, it was hard to imagine I could do it. So I stopped trying to imagine it and got on with the day.
The pre-race atmosphere was good, despite the bad weather. I arrived an hour early and wandered around for a bit to soak up all that pre-race energy. I dropped my bag off then went to take my usual starting line photo.
After that began the waiting game! With an hour until start time I sat on a kerb while the starting pen filled up, checking my twitter feed and texted with a friend. I still didn’t feel nervous OR excited. Instead I felt calm and determined; determined to enjoy the day, run smart and finish well.
I had talked about gels with my coach beforehand, and we decided on the tactic of taking a gel 20 minutes before the race, and bringing another one with me in case I needed it during the race. So with 20 minutes to go I had my first gel. I’ve been training with a caffeine free gel call High5. The one I take is mixed with water already so it’s pretty easy to drink down. So far they have been effective and I’ve had no problems taking them. I’ve even practised opening a gel, drinking it then tucking the wrapper in my sports bra while running so I don’t have to stop. So far, so good!
Anyway, I took my gel and another 20 minutes passed fairly quickly and then we were off!
The course was crowded from the start! I was in the ‘blue’ pen which was for joggers but most people ahead of me weren’t jogging, they were walking. From the get go it meant a lot of ducking and dodging around people. It took about 2km before the road cleared enough and I was able to gain a consistent pace.
But I managed to run from the start, and was surprised when the first km marker came up. I’d cleared the first km without even really realizing it! I kept going and the more ground I put behind me the more my confidence started to come back. This wasn’t a struggle! I wasn’t desperate to stop and walk! I felt strong, and powerful, and fast.
I kept it up past the second, third and fourth km marker, a little surprised at how good I was feeling. After that came the hard part.
From 4-6km are the toughest part of the course for me. First, there is a very long stretch of road that inclines uphill which then doubles back on itself, so anyone running UP the road can see everyone running DOWN it. When you first hit the road you can’t even see the turnaround point, all you can see is a mass of bobbing colours moving in both directions. For me, it’s disconcerting and I had a little mental battle with myself on this stretch. I refused to look at the other side of the road, and instead of thinking about my pace and the hill and the time, I thought instead about all the things I have to be grateful for. I counted my blessings with every step and it got me up the hill and around the turn easily.
I decided to take my second gel at this point. I didn’t feel as though I needed it but I thought that if or when the time came that I needed it, it would be too late to take it. So I drank the gel down, tucked away the wrapper and carried on, feeling happier and stronger than I have in a long time.
Anyway, at the 6k marker I realised I was running a really good pace, feeling like I still had loads of energy and wondering if I should try to push it a little and run faster. I decided to wait though, because I didn’t want to ruin my chances of a strong finish and there was still a ways to go with no telling what might happen in the meantime.
The 7th and 8th km marker I passed easily. I really enjoyed the drummers in their kilts at one of the music stop, and at another stop a band singing ‘You’ve Got The Love’. Good stuff!
At 8k I felt better than I thought I would. I felt a LOT better. I’d run the whole way and never once felt like stopping to walk. I still had energy and, looking at my Garmin, I knew if I sped up I could finish in my goal time.
At 9k I sped up even more and ran for the finish.
When I crossed it, I knew I’d done it. Not only had I run from start to finish, but I had beaten my previous time by 10 minutes.
My official finish time was 1:26:35. Nearly 11 minutes faster than last year!
I don’t think it hit me until now just how big an improvement I’ve shown in my running. I remember how hard I struggled last year to run/walk this race, and how exhilarated I was when I finished. This year, it’s beyond exhilarating. I’m getting teary eyed writing this because this result is, for me, the proof I needed that my training is paying off, it’s having an effect; a GOOD effect. It proves to me that I was right to fight those negative voices, my negative inner monologue that wanted me to just give up and berated me for trying to run in the first place. It’s proof that I’m getting better, proof that I’m a good runner, proof that this girl CAN.
After the race I queued for my bag, remembering why I hate leaving a bag in the first place, then made my way home where I treated myself to a fire in the fireplace, my favourite takeaway, an ice cold ginger beer and a Skyrim marathon. I earned it! 0 -
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This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »Thanks for that and the tip re the gels. It's good to know.
Although, I took the gel in place of my usual banana. I always eat something half an hour/20 minutes before a race, no matter what distance. This is after eating something (usually porridge) 3 hours before. If I don't eat before the race, it's a long time in between meals! (remember, on a normal day I eat five small meals spaced two hours apart) I also had a banana after the race once I'd picked up my bag. So between the bananas and the gels it worked out ok. I've never had a problem with having something 20 or 30 minutes before a long run/race so it never occurred to me there might be an issue.
But, as you say, this is good practice for me. I'll try different things and combos out and figure out from there what works best for me. Now is the time to play around with it!
Everyone is different I guess, but I personally wouldn't have anything within 4-5 hours (if feasible) of a 5k-half marathon. With the HR getting so high during a short race anything eaten runs the risk of coming up during the run
If you do have to have something to eat before a race I would definitely recommend a banana (or something else that is lower GI) over a gel any day. Gels are essentially pure sugar so you are messing with the energy levels by taking them while not exercising. I have experienced (stupidly) eating a few jellies in the car just before a run and every time I have had a terrible run. It took me about 4-5 experiences of this to put 2+2 together and realise what the problem was!!0 -
Great race report. Really glad to see you put those demons back in their place They might/will surface again on the road ahead but you know what to do with them, right?! Congrats on the PB and as Meno said, in fairer conditions it may well have been more.
I hope you were warm enough at the start, it was a chilly enough day to be hanging around. Beepbeep67 commented on how well I looked in my black sack at the start 0 -
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Everyone is different I guess, but I personally wouldn't have anything within 4-5 hours (if feasible) of a 5k-half marathon. With the HR getting so high during a short race anything eaten runs the risk of coming up during the run
If you do have to have something to eat before a race I would definitely recommend a banana (or something else that is lower GI) over a gel any day. Gels are essentially pure sugar so you are messing with the energy levels by taking them while not exercising. I have experienced (stupidly) eating a few jellies in the car just before a run and every time I have had a terrible run. It took me about 4-5 experiences of this to put 2+2 together and realise what the problem was!!
Definitely different! I have tried running on an empty stomach before and really struggle. I can't imagine not eating something before a race. Of course, there are certain things I wouldn't/shouldn't eat and I've learned that lesson the hard way! I also know that it has to be 3 hours before hand for the 'heavy' stuff like porridge. Even 2 hours is too soon. I also learned that one the hard way :rolleyes:0 -
This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »I have two goals at the moment (as of 1st November 2014):
- I want to run a sub-40 5k (my current time is 40-44mins).
- I ran/walked the Flora Women's Mini-Marathon this year, and for next year my goal is to run the 10k non-stop.
I just realised that I've now achieved the two goals I mentioned in my first post of this log.
It doesn't end there! My next set of goals are:- To run 5k in 35 minutes (my current time is about 38m)
- To run 5m in an hour (current time about 1:06:xx)
- To run 10m without stopping or walking.
The first one I feel is pretty achievable at this stage, I just need to opportunity to test myself!
The second, I'm not sure I'm quite there yet but I know it's not impossible and if I keep working at it, I'll crack it!
The third, my longest distance so far is 7 miles so a ways to go yet before I can even start to work on this one!
I find for me, it's always better to have new goals waiting in the wings for when the current goals fall! I stack 'em up so I always have something to strive for! 0 -
This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »I just realised that I've now achieved the two goals I mentioned in my first post of this log.
It doesn't end there! My next set of goals are:- To run 5k in 35 minutes (my current time is about 38m)
- To run 5m in an hour (current time about 1:06:xx)
- To run 10m without stopping or walking.
The first one I feel is pretty achievable at this stage, I just need to opportunity to test myself!
The second, I'm not sure I'm quite there yet but I know it's not impossible and if I keep working at it, I'll crack it!
The third, my longest distance so far is 7 miles so a ways to go yet before I can even start to work on this one!
I find for me, it's always better to have new goals waiting in the wings for when the current goals fall! I stack 'em up so I always have something to strive for!
Why do you feel that jumping 7 to 10 miles is a big jump? I think you're making 10 miles way too big a target by saying that. If you can run 7 miles non stop now and are fit, you should be able to run 10 miles non stop now. It's really not that big a jump, particularly for someone running as long as you are.
My opinion, you're making more of it than what it is. Fitness wise you should have no problem, I think your head is holding you back here.0 -
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I've never done a 'Couch to 5k' programme but I've heard it can be difficult.
Once you've got to 5k though, the natural progression in distance is pretty straightforward. Considering you're planning on running a marathon in October, there is only one step up you need to be really concerned about (yet seems to be the one that most first timers ignore the most!)
5k - 5m - not a big deal
5m - 10k - not a big deal
10k - 10m - not a big deal
10m - 13.1m (HM) - not a big deal
13.1 - 26.2m (Marathon) BIG HUGE DEAL
The last one is the one you need to concentrate on and be most worried about, not a step from 7 to 10.
I didn't do Couch to 5k either. I hear it's good!
Of course the marathon is the BIG HUGE DEAL for me, as I said in my last post, I just like ticking boxes along the way. I don't do as well if I don't have 'stepping stones' of goals.0 -
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