Sinn Féin the most popular party in latest poll (mod warnings in OP)

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A new opinion poll shows Sinn Féin is now the most popular political party in the country.

The Millward Brown poll for the Sunday Independent shows they have increased their support, excluding "don't knows", to 26%.

Fine Gael stands at 22%, Fianna Fáil 20%, Labour is at 7% and Independents and Others at 23%.

The poll was carried out over the past 10 days with nearly 1,000 people interviewed.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1101/656305-poll-politics/

What happened to the 'irreparable damage' that so many people were claiming to have been done to the party over the last 2 weeks?

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michael999999

Excellent.

Must have sickened Denis o Brien's INM to have had to pay for the commissioning of that poll.

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michael999999 wrote: »

Excellent.

Must have sickened Denis o Brien's INM to have had to pay for the commissioning of that poll.

No doubt it'll be buried somewhere in tomorrow's rag rather than splashed on the front page like it would be if the results were different

I'd say they're flat out right now pressing Cahill for something new for them to print.

Happyman42

Pause for thought for Enda anyway, anymore transparent political games and it could backfire badly on him.

michael999999

Happyman42 wrote: »

Pause for thought for Enda anyway, anymore transparent political games and it could backfire badly on him.

In fairness to Enda, he's only doing what he's spin doctors tell him.

Think its time he hired new ones.

donfers

Some of the predictions in the Mairia Cahill thread are looking incredibly lacking in insightfulness now. Sunday Independent and friends will be absolutely devastated - Sinn Feins inexorable march towards governance and being the number one party continues no matter what the naysayers throw at them.

I've never voted for Sinn Fein but this development is as predictable as it is refreshing - nice to see a real powerhouse emerge on the left but what I like most of all about the latest polls is that the same old political establishment bully-boy tactics ain't working anymore and it should make our politicans take notice that the Irish people won't be brow-beaten, manipulated or blackmailed into voting one way or another. Show us your policies and stop playing the age-old "he said/she said/they said" game of negative campaigning, it doesn't wash anymore and it doesn't detract from the real issues.

As 120,000 people protesting today proved, the Irish electorate feel the election is more about things like water charges rather than an alleged rape that happened in a foreign jurisdiction 20 years ago and who did or didn't know about it - so the lesson should be simply that if you want to politicise something to make sure it is politically relevant or it'll backfire horribly - the electorate don't like being taken for idiots. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the Mairia Cahill affair it should not have been headline news for 2 weeks; that is not to understate or underplay what happened to her but rather to highlight that the allegations should have been investigated in the right arena - the Irish people have seen through the attempts at cheap political manipulation and thankfully these kind of tactics aren't going to win elections anymore, they're going to lose them and for that I am grateful.

eigrod

Happyman42 wrote: »

Pause for thought for Enda anyway, anymore transparent political games and it could backfire badly on him.

I suspect that SF doing well will hurt FF and Labour much more than it will FG.

Pocoyo

eigrod wrote: »

I suspect that SF doing well will hurt FF and Labour much more than it will FG.

I suspect it will hurt them all but especially FG as they have the most to lose. Hopefully it will bury Labour too. I dont care if SF are dodgy i just want something different. VOTE SF #1!!!

michael999999

Pocoyo wrote: »

I suspect it will hurt them all but especially FG as they have the most to lose. Hopefully it will bury Labour too. I dont care if SF are dodgy i just want something different. VOTE SF #1!!!

Michael martin can crawl back into the Galway Tent!

ricero

Sinn fein the peoples party

Banjo String

This will silence the nay-sayers.

Expect more glossy sensationalist headlines in the coming weeks, (with twenty year old accusations and allegations) and expect the same spectacular political backfiring they will achieve.

Enda and co must be terrified.

raymon

Good result for Sinn Fein but they better get that magic money tree fired up and generating the funny money before 2016.

BoJack Horseman

raymon wrote: »

Good result for Sinn Fein but they better get that magic money tree fired up and generating the funny money before 2016.

No need.

The privatisation of IW plan seems to be gaining them considerable traction.

Banjo String

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

No need.

The privatisation of IW plan seems to be gaining them considerable traction.

Someone should tax you from posting that exact same claim over and over again

BoJack Horseman

Banjo String wrote: »

Someone should tax you from posting that exact same claim over and over again

It ain't a claim Banjo.

As a loyal footsoldier I'm sure you read the SF pre-budget statement also?

twowheelsgood

eigrod wrote: »

I suspect that SF doing well will hurt FF and Labour much more than it will FG.

Hardly needs saying! It would be a pretty confused voter who would switch from FG to SF, or vice versa.

Happyman42

raymon wrote: »

Good result for Sinn Fein but they better get that magic money tree fired up and generating the funny money before 2016.

'Good result' it is a stupendous result for them and signs that the Irish people recognise political football when they see it.
I feel sorry for Mairia Cahill, she has been used politically and to no great end. Time the people concerned for her to advise her to get out of the media circus and pursue this where it always should have been pursued, the Courts.

Banjo String

I missed the part that said they were going to privatize it.

michael999999

Banjo String wrote: »

Someone should tax you from posting that exact same claim over and over again

Unlike DoB I'm sure that poster pays tax here already!

poteen o hooley

The McConville mud throwing didn't work.

The Blueshirt Branes Trust: "OK lads, we weren't really trying with the McConville stroke. She was probably a grass anyway. No more messing. Paedophilia, that's your man......."

FG drop like a stone in polls.......

What next? Gerry Adams was a cannibal?

BoJack Horseman

Banjo String wrote: »

I missed the part that said they were going to privatize it.

If stuff keeps going over your head like this you might consider a career as a limbo dancer!

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2014/WaterServicesDoc_2014.pdf

Funding should be generated through mixed income of which the majority is through public subsidy from the Government, in addition to non-domestic charges, commercial borrowing and equity investment.

We never got to know how much of a privatisation, or to whom they intend to sell to.

But as SF themselves say, under the Shinners, IW is staying & moreover it will part privatised.

Banjo String

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

If stuff keeps going over your head like this you might consider a career as a limbo dancer!

http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2014/WaterServicesDoc_2014.pdf



We never got to know how much of a privatisation, or to whom they intend

But as SF themselves say, under the Shinners, IW is staying & moreover it will part privatised.

So they haven't said it will be privatised.

That's grand so.

BoJack Horseman

Banjo String wrote: »

So they haven't said it will be privatised.

That's grand so.

No, just part-privatised, and to what extent we don't know.
(Not sure if that's okey-dokey for SF supporters though?)

The main thing is that the troops know what the generals are up to.

We'll see if/when they flip-flop on the IW share issue.

kabakuyu

Labour at 7% thought it would be lower, they are going the way of the dodo, FG will follow unless they sort out the IW debacle.

Lissavane

poteen o hooley wrote: »

What next? Gerry Adams was a cannibal?

Now that you mention it, there was a story in a German newspaper about a bearded Irishman in a Berlin bar.........

the_syco

Considering how FF had to backtrack on some of its promises when it got into power, I wonder how SF will bankroll on all its promises?

Pocoyo

Non profit government factories that pay the living wage covering costs by producing goods or services.

Lissavane

kabakuyu wrote: »

Labour at 7% thought it would be lower, they are going the way of the dodo, FG will follow unless they sort out the IW debacle.

Labour are approaching margin of error territory - they will be defunct soon.

Labour has an inglorious history in Irish government but were kept alive largely by a Civil and Public Service vote. Howlin has managed to destroy that loyalty. They're facing extinction and they will not be missed. James Connelly wouldn't have touched the likes of Joan Burton with a barge-pole.

michael999999

Pocoyo wrote: »

Non profit government factories that pay the living wage covering costs by producing goods or services.

Ah like the magdaline launderies Fianna fail were so fond of?

Only the women in them didn't get paid anything!

alastair

Banjo String wrote: »

This will silence the nay-sayers.

Expect more glossy sensationalist headlines in the coming weeks, (with twenty year old accusations and allegations) and expect the same spectacular political backfiring they will achieve.

Enda and co must be terrified.

I reckon he's sleeping easy. SF are still toxic on the transfer front, so the real scope for them making inroads come next election will be constrained by that fact. Mairia Cahill will most certainly have damaged them.

Pocoyo

michael999999 wrote: »

Ah like the magdaline launderies Fianna fail were so fond of?

Only the women in them didn't get paid anything!

No more like the socialist model on a small scale to eradicate unemployment and boost the economy.

washman3

Adams,Doherty,MaryLou and co. will not get carried away with this poll, if anything they will play it down. No dancing on the rooftops for them.
But it was priceless to see the look of disgust on all those covering the story on SIXONE news. Wonder if they worry that their little cosy cartel that has existed always under FF/FG/LAB/GREENS and a few corrupt indos may be coming to an end.??

Of course the real kick in the teeth here is Labour at 7%
Can see SF picking away further at this 7% thus confining this bunch of charletans to the dustbin of history where they belong, joining the Greens and PDs

the_syco

washman3 wrote: »

Wonder if they worry that their little cosy cartel that has existed always under FF/FG/LAB/GREENS and a few corrupt indos may be coming to an end.??

New masters, same corruption. I'm sure it'll just be called something else, though.

kabakuyu

Kenny and co must be really worried ,resorting to the scare tactics now http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/income-tax-will-rise-4pc-if-government-abolishes-water-charges-taoiseach-30710647.html

Happyman42

Some imaginative spinning on here and in prospect.

hmmm

washman3 wrote: »

Wonder if they worry that their little cosy cartel that has existed always under FF/FG/LAB/GREENS and a few corrupt indos may be coming to an end.??

Because SF are going to be different? Same old big government, high tax party like all the rest.

poteen o hooley

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Hardly needs saying! It would be a pretty confused voter who would switch from FG to SF, or vice versa.

FG are and always were a minority party, they only promote the interests of a minority. Much of their inflated vote in the last was an anti FF vote.
FG deluded themselves that they had finally won the war v FF.
No. Their new 'supporters' have woken up to the elitist ethos of FG and will never return.
So actually FG (& Lab) are losing voters to SF and Inds

hmmm

poteen o hooley wrote: »

So actually FG (& Lab) are losing voters to SF and Inds

If you look at the polls in detail the SF vote is coming from ex-FF & to a lesser extent independents/non aligned. FG have largely kept their vote. Labour have lost their vote to indos/SF.

poteen o hooley

hmmm wrote: »

If you look at the polls in detail the SF vote is coming from ex-FF & to a lesser extent independents/non aligned. FG have largely kept their vote. Labour have lost their vote to indos/SF.

you need to read my post again.
that is exactly what I said.

hmmm

poteen o hooley wrote: »

you need to read my post again.
that is exactly what I said.

You said that FG were losing voters to SF. They are not.

Dan_Solo

Can't wait for the usual suspects predicting SF's implosion because "Cahill changed everything" to chime in with their explanation of this... :-)
Silly silly Irish public... why won't you listen to Enda?

michael999999

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Can't wait for the usual suspects predicting SF's implosion because "Cahill changed everything" to chime in with their explanation of this... :-)
Silly silly Irish public... why won't you listen to Enda?

Or close the thread!

Dan_Solo

Data was presented as oddly as you could imagine. Why wasn't the most popular party, SF, first on the graphic instead of FG? And why scroll FG off the screen to the left before showing SF? Afraid people will see the two of them at the same time or something?

michael999999

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Data was presented as oddly as you could imagine. Why wasn't the most popular party, SF, first on the graphic instead of FG? And why scroll FG off the screen to the left before showing SF? Afraid people will see the two of them at the same time or something?

If Denis o Brien tells 'the independent' to put hes beloved fine Gael first. That's what will be done!

Dan_Solo

michael999999 wrote: »

Or close the thread!

They'll have to close the whole feckin' site!

poteen o hooley

hmmm wrote: »

You said that FG were losing voters to SF. They are not.[/QUOTE

I said they had lost the inflated vote from the last election to SF.

Apologies if two ideas in the one sentence are confusing for you.

alastair

poteen o hooley wrote: »

FG are and always were a minority party, they only promote the interests of a minority. Much of their inflated vote in the last was an anti FF vote.
FG deluded themselves that they had finally won the war v FF.
No. Their new 'supporters' have woken up to the elitist ethos of FG and will never return.
So actually FG (& Lab) are losing voters to SF and Inds

FG have a pretty good record of leading governments over the years, for a minority party, and FF did enough permanent damage to themselves to make FG the major party by default. SF have never come anywhere near winning the same number of seats as FG, and that's not going to change any time soon, as they still retain a serious transfer problem - on account of the patently obvious baggage they carry. Independents will be the primary beneficiaries of the mainstream party's woes come the next election, but odds are still on a FG-led coalition, and improved economic prospects for a number of years.

Dan_Solo

michael999999 wrote: »

If Denis o Brien tells 'the independent' to put hes beloved fine Gael first. That's what will be done!

No, this was on RTE news. It just looked so forced. There's only FG, Lab, FF, SF, others. What the hell do they need to scroll for to show 5 percentage bars at once?

alastair

poteen o hooley wrote: »

hmmm wrote: »

You said that FG were losing voters to SF. They are not.[/QUOTE

I said they had lost the inflated vote from the last election to SF.

Apologies if two ideas in the one sentence are confusing for you.

You'll have to explain that to me, because by my reading, they mean exactly the same thing.

alastair

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Data was presented as oddly as you could imagine. Why wasn't the most popular party, SF, first on the graphic instead of FG? And why scroll FG off the screen to the left before showing SF? Afraid people will see the two of them at the same time or something?

It's all a conspiracy.

Dan_Solo

alastair wrote: »

and that's not going to change any time soon, as they still retain a serious transfer problem - on account of the patently obvious baggage they carry.

FG's string of disastrous policies and backfiring political stunts is rapidly making them more toxic than Enda's hair dye.