Sinn Féin the most popular party in latest poll (mod warnings in OP)

Timberrrrrrrr

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd argue that refusing to answer questions at question time definitely qualifies as "riding roughshod over the democratic process of the house". Sean Barrett never has any difficulty enforcing relevance when the opposition are speaking (and I have no issue with that at all, proper order) but this is completely absent when government TDs give meandering, irrelevant responses to very simple questions.

As I said in the other thread, both in opposition and in government Joan Burton has a terrible record for this kind of stonewalling. I can't be the only one who finds it extremely irritating? The Ceann Comhairle as chair is responsible for keeping debates on topic.

Was the question asked by MLmcD a question on the subject or was she just trowing questions out to suppress the topic?

maccored

suppress the topic of water charges? that hardly makes any sense surely? that was the topic in question at the time.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Was the question asked by MLmcD a question on the subject or was she just trowing questions out to suppress the topic?

walshb

So now anytime a TD thinks or believes that his/her question hasn't been answered they can pull this sort of stunt? Madness

maccored

of course it was yes. They pre-planned it with Joan so they;d know she wouldnt bother answering. Yes, very likely. :rolleyes:

raymon wrote: »

The incident was carefully choreographed to generate a populist story.

Shame on Sinn Fein for denying others a chance to question the government.

raymon

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Choreographed by FG by the looks of it.
LOL, why would anybody bother when they won't answer anything anyway! No bloody loss at all!

Joan Burton is FG ? Thanks for that Dan !

walshb

maccored wrote: »

of course it was yes. They pre-planned it with Joan so they;d know she wouldnt bother answering. Yes, very likely. :rolleyes:

No, her refusal to leave the chamber was the stunt. Not the questioning of Burton.

Happyman42

walshb wrote: »

So now anytime a TD thinks or believes that his/her question hasn't been answered they can pull this sort of stunt? Madness

If they wish and see the issue as being important (and it is the most important political issue atm), yes.

walshb

Happyman42 wrote: »

If they wish and see the issue as being important (and it is the most important political issue atm), yes.

That's a super idea, not. The system will soon collapse.

raymon

Happyman42 wrote: »

If they wish and see the issue as being important (and it is the most important political issue atm), yes.

Or if you need to deflect some recent bad press about abuse cover ups and need a bit of cheap publicity ( now that you cant print publicity leaflets with swiped printer cartridges)

Dan_Solo

walshb wrote: »

That's a super idea, not. The system will soon collapse.

The system of the government not answering anything and making an utter mockery of the principle of being answerable the people?
Well R.I.P. in that case.

maccored

just like last month when she was kicked out since she apparently pulled a stunt then too. Seriously folks, buy a dictionary. anytime anyone makes any kind of stand, its a 'stunt'.

walshb wrote: »

No, her refusal to leave the chamber was the stunt. Not the questioning of Burton.

BlutendeRabe

DazMarz wrote: »

FG: 50-55 seats
FF: 30-35 seats
SF: 20-25 seats
Lab: 10-15 seats
Oth/Ind: 20-30 seats

Think FG could be on the low 40s while labour probably won't have enough TDs to form a Dail group. SF could be up in the 30s - they missed out narrowly on 4 seats in 2011. They're in the running for far more now.

About right for FF and Indos.

Dan_Solo

raymon wrote: »

Or if you need to deflect some recent bad press about abuse cover ups and need a bit of cheap publicity ( now that you cant print publicity leaflets with swiped printer cartridges)

So let's get this straight, if you ask questions about the topic under discussion and they refuse to answer, that's a deflection?
By who exactly?

Dan_Solo

raymon wrote: »

Joan Burton is FG ? Thanks for that Dan !

FG/Lab. Only goldencirclebots could possibly say there is any meaningful difference.

Happyman42

raymon wrote: »

Or if you need to deflect some recent bad press about abuse cover ups and need a bit of cheap publicity ( now that you cant print publicity leaflets with swiped printer cartridges)

If you could provide us with some evidence that shows current members of SF refusing to show up for questioning on the Mairia Cahill issue in the Dail, you might have a point. I saw them listening to rants and insinuations for 5 hours of Dail time that achieved nothing and added nothing to the debate, except more allegations and dubious claims of possession of 'knowledge'.
The IW issue is the key political issue of the moment, bringing 100's of thousands of citizens onto the streets on a number of occasions.
An opposition TD not asking questions in the Dail while that issue is being discussed would be failing in his/her job and mandate imo.

raymon

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So let's get this straight, if you ask questions about the topic under discussion and they refuse to answer, that's a deflection?
By who exactly?

Standing up and mouthing her gob off when another TD is trying to speak (Maureen O Sullivan TD ) is the stunt. The "sit in" was another part of the choreography.

Does she plan to apologise to Deputy O Sullivan?

raymon

Happyman42 wrote: »

If you could provide us with some evidence that shows current members of SF refusing to show up for questioning on the Mairia Cahill issue in the Dail, you might have a point. I saw them listening to rants and insinuations for 5 hours of Dail time that achieved nothing and added nothing to the debate, except more allegations and dubious claims of possession of 'knowledge'.
The IW issue is the key political issue of the moment, bringing 100's of thousands of citizens onto the streets on a number of occasions.
An opposition TD not asking questions in the Dail while that issue is being discussed would be failing in his/her job and mandate imo.

Prove this , prove that , prove the other ....

What do you want proof on and why do you want the proof from me ?

Im very confused!

Tinkersbell

raymon wrote: »

Joan Burton is FG ? Thanks for that Dan !

He meant FG's bitch...

Tinkersbell

raymon wrote: »

( now that you cant print publicity leaflets with swiped printer cartridges)

LOL. Pathetic.

Chuckieawrlaw

raymon wrote: »

Standing up and mouthing her gob off when another TD is trying to speak (Maureen O Sullivan TD ) is the stunt. The "sit in" was another part of the choreography.

Does she plan to apologise to Deputy O Sullivan?

she doesnt owe her an apology for nothin, Mary lou was dead right

Happyman42

raymon wrote: »

Prove this , prove that , prove the other ....

What do you want proof on and why do you want the proof from me ?

Im very confused!

That SF are trying to deflect attention away from Maria Cahill allegations, Adams has issued a number of statements, as have MLD and others (ignored) and they have turned up for questioning in the Dail.
Surely, if they where deflecting, the time to get the Dail suspended was before Wed. not after Wed?

Tinkersbell

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So let's get this straight, if you ask questions about the topic under discussion and they refuse to answer, that's a deflection?
By who exactly?

Burton can't answer unless enda tells her the answer, enda can't tell her the answer because his handlers haven't written it down for him, his handlers can't write it down because they're making it up as they go along...

raymon

Happyman42 wrote: »

That SF are trying to deflect attention away from Maria Cahill allegations, Adams has issued a number of statements, as have MLD and others (ignored) and they have turned up for questioning in the Dail.
Surely, if they where deflecting, the time to get the Dail suspended was before Wed. not after Wed?

You want proof that SF is deflecting from the Maria Cahill abuse allegations?
Really?

What proof are you looking for - a covert video , some fingerprints, a secret map with an x on it ? Maybe a secret door ?

Prove this , prove that , what do you want me to prove ?

Tinkersbell

Remember all the bullsh1te kenny and burton came out with last week about Adams speaking in New York and how the tickets were $400 each?
Remember the smartarse remarks on here?

So, at enda's little get together in New York the other night the tickets were, wait for it, $25,000 for a table for 10.
$2,500 each to listen to a spoofer and a liar.

What a hypocritical, two faced, wan*er we have for taoiseach.

Mod: Poster banned for this and other responses in this thread.

Happyman42

raymon wrote: »

You want proof that SF is deflecting from the Maria Cahill abuse allegations?
Really?

What proof are you looking for - a covert video , some fingerprints, a secret map with an x on it ? Maybe a secret door ?

Prove this , prove that , what do you want me to prove ?

You made a claim and are being called on to back it up. Will I hold my breath or not? :rolleyes:

raymon wrote:

Or if you need to deflect some recent bad press about abuse cover ups and need a bit of cheap publicity

maccored

Once again its damn that pesky democracy. If you are making accusations, provide some semblance of proof for them. its an very easy concept.

raymon wrote: »

You want proof that SF is deflecting from the Maria Cahill abuse allegations?
Really?

What proof are you looking for - a covert video , some fingerprints, a secret map with an x on it ? Maybe a secret door ?

Prove this , prove that , what do you want me to prove ?

maccored

raymon wrote: »

Im very confused!

Indeed you seem to be.

Tinkersbell

raymon wrote: »

You want proof that SF is deflecting from the Maria Cahill abuse allegations?
Really?

What proof are you looking for - a covert video , some fingerprints, a secret map with an x on it ? Maybe a secret door ?

Prove this , prove that , what do you want me to prove ?

Who needs proof of anything, eh?

raymon

Happyman42 wrote: »

You made a claim and are being called on to back it up. Will I hold my breath or not? :rolleyes:

I will get the forensic lab onto the job !

Happyman42

raymon wrote: »

I will get the forensic lab onto the job !

The decent thing to do would be to withdraw your spuious allegation, but no, let's see if we can get some dirt to stick. Admirable. :rolleyes:

Barely There

walshb wrote: »

So now anytime a TD thinks or believes that his/her question hasn't been answered they can pull this sort of stunt? Madness

It's now incumbent on Contrary Mary to mount these sit-ins for each and every instance of a waffely response to a question.

I'm sure she won't want to be accused of picking and choosing which answers to mount sit-ins over - she'll want to demonstrate consistency.

She better start bringing a packet of trail-mix, a colectomy bag and a comfortable cushion in with her to future Dail sittings.

raymon

Happyman42 wrote: »

The decent thing to do would be to withdraw your spuious allegation, but no, let's see if we can get some dirt to stick. Admirable. :rolleyes:

You want me to withdraw my opinion that this was a stunt because I dont have proof ?

You had better rush over to journal.ie and get 52% of the people to back up their opinion with with their proof too .

How could you have missed this outrage ?

http://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lou-mcdonald-sit-in-poll-1779813-Nov2014/

How are you guys letting 52% of readers think that this was a stunt . Quick rush over there and tell them all that they have no proof and to withdraw their allegations.

Quick - before it goes to 53%

Dan_Solo

raymon wrote: »

Prove this , prove that , prove the other ....

What do you want proof on and why do you want the proof from me ?

Im very confused!

Assume this, assume that, assume the other.
Yeah, this proving things is hard, isn't it?
Confused is an understatement.

Godge

maccored wrote: »

Once again its damn that pesky democracy. If you are making accusations, provide some semblance of proof for them. its an very easy concept.

Are you going to ask Tinkerbell to produce the same level of proof?
Are you going to defend Enda Kenny from these baseless unproven allegations?

Or are you just going to be hypocritical on the issue of proof.

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Remember all the bullsh1te kenny and burton came out with last week about Adams speaking in New York and how the tickets were $400 each?
Remember the smartarse remarks on here?

So, at enda's little get together in New York the other night the tickets were, wait for it, $25,000 for a table for 10.
$2,500 each to listen to a spoofer and a liar.

What a hypocritical, two faced, wan*er we have for taoiseach.

Dan_Solo

raymon wrote: »

I will get the forensic lab onto the job !

Or you could just spout random stuff with no backing evidence whatsoever I guess. Seems to be "working" for you just fine so far.

Godge

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Or you could just spout random stuff with no backing evidence whatsoever I guess. Seems to be "working" for you just fine so far.

Seems to work for a lot of people around here.

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Remember all the bullsh1te kenny and burton came out with last week about Adams speaking in New York and how the tickets were $400 each?
Remember the smartarse remarks on here?

So, at enda's little get together in New York the other night the tickets were, wait for it, $25,000 for a table for 10.
$2,500 each to listen to a spoofer and a liar.

What a hypocritical, two faced, wan*er we have for taoiseach.

Do you support random allegations of spoofer, liar and wanker that have no proof?

raymon

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Or you could just spout random stuff with no backing evidence whatsoever I guess. Seems to be "working" for you just fine so far.

6876 people came to the same random outlandish conclusion as me

http://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lou-mcdonald-sit-in-poll-1779813-Nov2014/

thats a mad amount of people making up random stuff

Dont let them get away with this insult on Sinn Fein - go over immediately and demand proof, quick , quick

Dan_Solo

Barely There wrote: »

It's now incumbent on Contrary Mary to mount these sit-ins for each and every instance of a waffely response to a question.

If it's government question time that would be every day then I guess.

Barely There wrote: »

I'm sure she won't want to be accused of picking and choosing which answers to mount sit-ins over - she'll want to demonstrate consistency.

LOL, chair wears an Enda Rulez t-shirt to the Dail and you expect McDonald to display consistency...

Dan_Solo

Godge wrote: »

Seems to work for a lot of people around here.

Nope, you get called out on it every time Godge.

Happyman42

raymon wrote: »

You want me to withdraw my opinion that this was a stunt because I dont have proof ?

You had better rush over to journal.ie and get 52% of the people to back up their opinion with with their proof too .

How could you have missed this outrage ?

http://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lou-mcdonald-sit-in-poll-1779813-Nov2014/

How are you guys letting 52% of readers think that this was a stunt . Quick rush over there and tell them all that they have no proof and to withdraw their allegations.

Quick - before it goes to 53%

So nothing whatsoever to back up what you are saying expect another cohort of people willing to make the same claim without anything to back it up. Brilliant.
And btw, it was a stunt to bring attention to the gov's refusal to answer a question and the CC facilitation of that.

Dan_Solo

raymon wrote: »

6876 people came to the same random outlandish conclusion as me

http://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lou-mcdonald-sit-in-poll-1779813-Nov2014/

thats a mad amount of people making up random stuff

Dont let them get away with this insult on Sinn Fein - go over immediately and demand proof, quick , quick

In case you'd missed it:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-the-most-popular-party-in-ireland-new-poll-reveals-30710365.html
Those darned opinion polls, eh?

raymon

Happyman42 wrote: »

So nothing whatsoever to back up what you are saying expect another cohort of people willing to make the same claim without anything to back it up. Brilliant.
And btw, it was a stunt to bring attention to the gov's refusal to answer a question and the CC facilitation of that.

You guys better go over there quick and demand proof -

The amount of people who believe it is a stunt has now reached 7072 -

Dont let them get away with this opinion without some kind of evidence . Its an insult to Sinn Fein surely ?

Godge

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Nope, you get called out on it every time Godge.

Quoted half my post and ignored the question, not surprised.

Godge wrote: »

Seems to work for a lot of people around here.



Do you support random allegations of spoofer, liar and wanker that have no proof?

Barely There

Dan_Solo wrote: »

LOL, chair wears an Enda Rulez t-shirt to the Dail and you expect McDonald to display consistency...

Oh, I don't really.

But surely you should?


You're not suggesting that Mary didn't really believe with all her heart in what she was doing yesterday are you?

Surely as a proud SF supporter you expect, nay demand, that Mary display consistency in this regard?

hatrickpatrick

walshb wrote: »

So now anytime a TD thinks or believes that his/her question hasn't been answered they can pull this sort of stunt? Madness

If the Ceann Comhairle did his job, it wouldn't be necessary in the first place.

raymon

Happyman42 wrote: »

And btw, it was a stunt to bring attention to the gov's refusal to answer a question and the CC facilitation of that.

Ok great so you admit it was a stunt. It was brave of you to admit it

I was just about to hire a polygraph lie detector machine to hook up to Gerry and Mary-lou, to garner the evidence you were requiring

That would have been awkward

Happyman42

raymon wrote: »

You guys better go over there quick and demand proof -

The amount of people who believe it is a stunt has now reached 7072 -

Dont let them get away with this opinion without some kind of evidence . Its an insult to Sinn Fein surely ?

Who says it wasn't a 'stunt'?

Was it a stunt to deflect from the Mairia Cahill allegations though as you claimed?
You have been called to back that up and still haven't.

hatrickpatrick

Barely There wrote: »

It's now incumbent on Contrary Mary to mount these sit-ins for each and every instance of a waffely response to a question.

I for one would be delighted if she (or any other TD for that matter) did exactly this. It's about time someone made a stand against the absolutely shambolic behavior of our elected parliamentarians.

Godge

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I for one would be delighted if she (or any other TD for that matter) did exactly this. It's about time someone made a stand against the absolutely shambolic behavior of our elected parliamentarians.

Excellent, should they all have staged a sit-in after Gerry Adams refused to answer the questions asked of him on Wednesday. Are you condemning him for refusing to answer?

Godge

Happyman42 wrote: »

So nothing whatsoever to back up what you are saying expect another cohort of people willing to make the same claim without anything to back it up. Brilliant.
And btw, it was a stunt to bring attention to the gov's refusal to answer a question and the CC facilitation of that.

Ridiculous pontificating.

Asking someone to back-up whether something was or wasn't a stunt.

Well, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it certainly isn't a horse.