Sinn Féin the most popular party in latest poll (mod warnings in OP)

Dan_Solo

alastair wrote: »

It's all a conspiracy.

I reckon it's to spare some folks' delicate sensibilities.

martingriff

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

No need.

The privatisation of IW plan seems to be gaining them considerable traction.

If they are water charges are going to be dropped then would IW cease to exist so how can they privitise it.

Thargor

Wouldn't be SFs biggest fan but I am fooking loving this!

alastair

Dan_Solo wrote: »

FG's string of disastrous policies and backfiring political stunts is rapidly making them more toxic than Enda's hair dye.

We'll see what people want come the election.

Dan_Solo

alastair wrote: »

We'll see what people want come the election.

Yeah, Enda's bound to have some new onerous unfair tax or transparent PR stunt up his sleeve to save the day come election time.

handlemaster

Sinn Féin have no real policies. Nothing is backed up on how policies will be paid for.. Everything is changeable to the populist vote. Their leader doesnt even live in the republic

washman3

hmmm wrote: »

Because SF are going to be different? Same old big government, high tax party like all the rest.

And your solution is what exactly...??

Dan_Solo

handlemaster wrote: »

Sinn Féin have no real policies. Nothing is backed up on how policies will be paid for.. Everything is changeable to the populist vote. Their leader doesnt even live in the republic

Their economic policies have been certified by the Dept. of Finance, so I guess they could be completely wrong. :-)
Where does the leader of FG, Angela Merkel, live anyway?

twowheelsgood

alastair wrote: »

We'll see what people want come the election.

I wouldn’t necessary be averse to seeing SF in power. And I would and have make the same point about other parties across the spectrum from the greens to the PDs.

Parties that have never been in power can be quite adept at hurling on the ditch. When they get their turn to sit on the potty, if I can mix metaphors, they will of course have to make unpopular decisions, just like any government has to do. And that can take some of the sheen of their ditch heroics.

SF of course know this and I think have no intention of going into government after the next election. But if they do well and end up as say the second biggest party there may be pressure on them to do so.

Dan_Solo

I guess that thread about SF being level with FG in opinion polls is now just a bit redundant?

poteen o hooley

Tá ár lá teacht

ElizaT33

SF all the way! Never took an interest in politics until recently - and I'm sure I'm not the only one! This is why SF are so popular now - because the 'little people' are fed up now - enough is enough!

R P McMurphy

twowheelsgood wrote: »

Hardly needs saying! It would be a pretty confused voter who would switch from FG to SF, or vice versa.

FG must have picked up a lot of old ff votes last time around. It is those votes up for grabs

twowheelsgood

R P McMurphy wrote: »

FG must have picked up a lot of old ff votes last time around. It is those votes up for grabs

Ok. But that hardly constitutes a FG voter switching to SF.

K-9

michael999999 wrote: »

Or close the thread!

Mod:

Cut out the digs at moderation thank you.

This thread will not be going down the road of the last one, fair warning for everybody.

IsaacWunder

Delighted to see this. I would never vote for Sinn Fein, but this poll, along with the protests over water, might (and that's a big might) finally wake up the government to how disappointed people are with their smarmy dismissive attitude that's nearly as bad as Fianna Fail, particularly Joan Burton's smart alec comments about smartphones being some sort of luxury good and the shameful exploitation by Kenny of that woman who was raped by the IRA.

michael999999

handlemaster wrote: »

Sinn Féin have no real policies. Nothing is backed up on how policies will be paid for.. Everything is changeable to the populist vote. Their leader doesnt even live in the republic

And where does fine Gael leader Denis o Brien live?

DazMarz

As the Irish Water debacle and every other thing drags on further, I am becoming more and more disillusioned with Fine Gael.

I was never a Fine Gael voter. I never liked them. I never voted for them. But... Until relatively recently, I thought Fine Gael were doing a pretty OK job in running the show, given the shíte hand they were dealt in 2011... cleaning up Fianna Fáil's mess. But then... between Garda whistleblowers, Shattergate, McAnulty, Irish Water, etc. etc. ETC... I'm not so sure.

The biggest one is Irish Water. If Fine Gael and Co. wanted to start a revolution, I don't think they could have done a better job. The country is like a powder keg at the moment. The government could collapse and a General Election could be called within the next few months, never mind in March 2016.

It is also worth remembering this: Enda Kenny would sell his wife, daughter, mother and grandmother up the river in a heartbeat to secure a second term in power for Fine Gael. It has never been done before, and would the bould Enda ever love to go down in the history books as the first Fine Gael Taoiseach to win back-to-back elections. So, you can be damn sure that in order to do so, Kenny will do anything and everything to try and curry the voters' favour in between now and the next GE.

And... final thought. Right now, austerity measures are bad, no doubt. But Enda Kenny is looking into a General Election in about 18 months' time. He cannot go overboard with the austerity, or risk losing power, like has happened to Fine Gael so many times in the past. But... if Kenny is still Taoiseach after the 2016(?) General Election... Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet! He'll rip into the Irish populace with more austerity, because why worry? No more elections for a while, let's grease em up and fúck em!

I'm actually more scared now of Enda getting back in than I am of Sinn Féin getting in. And that is saying something. :eek:

alastair

DazMarz wrote: »

As the Irish Water debacle and every other thing drags on further, I am becoming more and more disillusioned with Fine Gael.

I was never a Fine Gael voter. I never liked them. I never voted for them. But... Until relatively recently, I thought Fine Gael were doing a pretty OK job in running the show, given the shíte hand they were dealt in 2011... cleaning up Fianna Fáil's mess. But then... between Garda whistleblowers, Shattergate, McAnulty, Irish Water, etc. etc. ETC... I'm not so sure.

The biggest one is Irish Water. If Fine Gael and Co. wanted to start a revolution, I don't think they could have done a better job. The country is like a powder keg at the moment. The government could collapse and a General Election could be called within the next few months, never mind in March 2016.

It is also worth remembering this: Enda Kenny would sell his wife, daughter, mother and grandmother up the river in a heartbeat to secure a second term in power for Fine Gael. It has never been done before, and would the bould Enda ever love to go down in the history books as the first Fine Gael Taoiseach to win back-to-back elections. So, you can be damn sure that in order to do so, Kenny will do anything and everything to try and curry the voters' favour in between now and the next GE.

And... final thought. Right now, austerity measures are bad, no doubt. But Enda Kenny is looking into a General Election in about 18 months' time. He cannot go overboard with the austerity, or risk losing power, like has happened to Fine Gael so many times in the past. But... if Kenny is still Taoiseach after the 2016(?) General Election... Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet! He'll rip into the Irish populace with more austerity, because why worry? No more elections for a while, let's grease em up and fúck em!

I'm actually more scared now of Enda getting back in than I am of Sinn Féin getting in. And that is saying something. :eek:

Have a look at how the economy is being managed in NI. It's not going to fill you full of hope for how SF would compare to Enda's bunch.

twowheelsgood

DazMarz wrote: »

It is also worth remembering this: Enda Kenny would sell his wife, daughter, mother and grandmother up the river in a heartbeat to secure a second term in power for Fine Gael. It has never been done before, and would the bould Enda ever love to go down in the history books as the first Fine Gael Taoiseach to win back-to-back elections. So, you can be damn sure that in order to do so, Kenny will do anything and everything to try and curry the voters' favour in between now and the next GE.

If it cheers you any I fully expect Enda to be dispatched by FG before the next election.

And have no doubts that any sitting Taoiseach would do "anything and everything" to retain power, regardsless of what history is or is not made.

kabakuyu

DazMarz wrote: »

As the Irish Water debacle and every other thing drags on further, I am becoming more and more disillusioned with Fine Gael.

I was never a Fine Gael voter. I never liked them. I never voted for them. But... Until relatively recently, I thought Fine Gael were doing a pretty OK job in running the show, given the shíte hand they were dealt in 2011... cleaning up Fianna Fáil's mess. But then... between Garda whistleblowers, Shattergate, McAnulty, Irish Water, etc. etc. ETC... I'm not so sure.

The biggest one is Irish Water. If Fine Gael and Co. wanted to start a revolution, I don't think they could have done a better job. The country is like a powder keg at the moment. The government could collapse and a General Election could be called within the next few months, never mind in March 2016.

It is also worth remembering this: Enda Kenny would sell his wife, daughter, mother and grandmother up the river in a heartbeat to secure a second term in power for Fine Gael. It has never been done before, and would the bould Enda ever love to go down in the history books as the first Fine Gael Taoiseach to win back-to-back elections. So, you can be damn sure that in order to do so, Kenny will do anything and everything to try and curry the voters' favour in between now and the next GE.

And... final thought. Right now, austerity measures are bad, no doubt. But Enda Kenny is looking into a General Election in about 18 months' time. He cannot go overboard with the austerity, or risk losing power, like has happened to Fine Gael so many times in the past. But... if Kenny is still Taoiseach after the 2016(?) General Election... Austerity? You ain't seen nothing yet! He'll rip into the Irish populace with more austerity, because why worry? No more elections for a while, let's grease em up and fúck em!

I'm actually more scared now of Enda getting back in than I am of Sinn Féin getting in. And that is saying something. :eek:

You're on the money with that post, I was a lifelong FG supporter and I am worried by them, they were doing a reasonable job but now they have lost the plot, the arrogance some display is sinister, they have handed the initiative to SF and have backed themselves into a corner over the IW issue.

I really don't think I could vote for them again when they show this level of disdain for the Irish public, I paid the USC,the LPT, took my pay cut,made do and kept the head down, the IW debacle is the final straw for me and a lot of other people.Their incompetence prevents them from seeing this and I would suggest people remember this in the next GE.

Dyr

DazMarz wrote: »

It is also worth remembering this: Enda Kenny would sell his wife, daughter, mother and grandmother up the river in a heartbeat to secure a second term in power for Fine Gael. It has never been done before, and would the bould Enda ever love to go down in the history books as the first Fine Gael Taoiseach to win back-to-back elections.

Enda knows he isn't getting another shot on the merry go round as taoiseach, his own party know he's only leading them into the next election because no one else will want to start their leadership of FG with an unmerciful kicking from the voters

Endas shuffling off to a cushy number in europe after the election, a reward for being their poodle as taoiseach.

Dan_Solo

alastair wrote: »

Have a look at how the economy is being managed in NI. It's not going to fill you full of hope for how SF would compare to Enda's bunch.

SF aren't in overall power in NI, but nice try.

rafatoni

Dennis obrien lollllllll as balotelli would say.

I'm sure his rags are digging up more than Burke and hare looking for more stories. Running on empty now.

Banjo String

handlemaster wrote: »

Sinn Féin have no real policies. Nothing is backed up on how policies will be paid for.. Everything is changeable to the populist vote. Their leader doesnt even live in the republic

As SF are an all island party this matters not a jot.

That's like claiming Derry (or any other northern county) shouldn't win the all Ireland.

Tobyglen

Embarrassing. Can't believe Irish people would consider a government with SF when you look at their policies.

michael999999

rafatoni wrote: »

Dennis obrien lollllllll as balotelli would say.

I'm sure his rags are digging up more than Burke and hare looking for more stories. Running on empty now.

I'd imagine the poll has put a different slant on there Halloween party in Denis o Brien towers!

I can just see Fianna fail Sheehan in hes Mummy outfit being chased up and down the corriders by Denis in he's tax exile outfit.

Roaring at FF Sheehan " you must dig up more, find me more".

kaltz

If they win the next GE, after the photo shoots and all their TD's on the Dail plinth, would you feel secure looking at them walking away, planning your future?

sid waddell

Every Sindo/Denis O'Brien media attack on Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein reinforces Sinn Fein's core support and pushes more people towards them.

The likes of Eilis O'Hanlon and Eoghan Harris are toxic for anybody or anything they support, and manna from heaven for those they oppose.

michael999999

kaltz wrote: »

If they win the next GE, after the photo shoots and all their TD's on the Dail plinth, would you feel secure looking at them walking away, planning your future?

Yes.

More confident than seeing Michael martin, who stood beside Bertie the crook and backed him all the way.

Or enda Kenny who does the bidding of fine gaels rich backers. And who can't deliver a sentence unless it had been scripted for him by one of he's press secretary's.

I hope there choking on there own bile in INM tonight!

Dan_Solo

When asked about party leaders, Enda Kenny is the least popular with 67% saying they are "Dissatisfied" with him as Taoiseach

This is the same Enda who we've been told is running rings around Adams in The Dail? ;-)

michael999999

sid waddell wrote: »

Every Sindo/Denis O'Brien media attack on Gerry Adams and Sinn Fein reinforces Sinn Fein's core support and pushes more people towards them.

The likes of Eilis O'Hanlon and Eoghan Harris are toxic for anybody or anything they support, and manna from heaven for those they oppose.

Bulls eye Sid!

droidman123

Tobyglen wrote: »

Embarrassing. Can't believe Irish people would consider a government with SF when you look at their policies.

are they more embarrassing than fg?

twowheelsgood

Tobyglen wrote: »

Embarrassing. Can't believe Irish people would consider a government with SF when you look at their policies.

It is all but impossible to say how much of this is genuine support for SF and how much is a protest against the government. We really won't know until there is a general election.

Richard Hillman

Tobyglen wrote: »

Embarrassing. Can't believe Irish people would consider a government with SF when you look at their policies.

The new people that would vote Sinn Fein don't really seem the sort to read policies.

michael999999

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The new people that would vote Sinn Fein don't really seem the sort to read policies.

Ya your right, let's go back to Fianna fails policy's.

Where do I go to collect my brown envelope?

washman3

Tobyglen wrote: »

Embarrassing. Can't believe Irish people would consider a government with SF when you look at their policies.

Were you embarrassed when Jackie Healy-Rae was on SIXONE news a few years back flapping a sheet of paper on the platform at Killarney train station.?
A sheet of paper containing a list of promises from Bertie for Kerry South so that Bertie could stay in power and run the country further into the ground.!!

Were you embarrassed when you heard the 'Lowry Tapes'..??

michael999999

washman3 wrote: »

Were you embarrassed when Jackie Healy-Rae was on SIXONE news a few years back flapping a sheet of paper on the platform at Killarney train station.?
A sheet of paper containing a list of promises from Bertie for Kerry South so that Bertie could stay in power and run the country further into the ground.!!

Were you embarrassed when you heard the 'Lowry Tapes'..??

Fiannafailzheimers!

Richard Hillman

michael999999 wrote: »

Ya your right, let's go back to Fianna fails policy's.

Where do I go to collect my brown envelope?

Sinn Fein Hq for all your dodgy needs

Tobyglen

washman3 wrote: »

Were you embarrassed when Jackie Healy-Rae was on SIXONE news a few years back flapping a sheet of paper on the platform at Killarney train station.?
A sheet of paper containing a list of promises from Bertie for Kerry South so that Bertie could stay in power and run the country further into the ground.!!

Were you embarrassed when you heard the 'Lowry Tapes'..??

Oh right...lets go into details of Sinn Fein members recent activities yeah?

Maíria Cahill, Adams arrested last year, prominent members only recently being linked with previous IRA involvement and murder. Incredible stuff.

mikom

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The new people that would vote Sinn Fein don't really seem the sort to read policies.

5 point plans and promises to quash quangos............ policies full of lies as produced by FG.

Godge

twowheelsgood wrote: »

It is all but impossible to say how much of this is genuine support for SF and how much is a protest against the government. We really won't know until there is a general election.

Very good point, when it comes close to the actual election, and people start thinking about what life would be like under Sinn Fein, the questions will start. And there will be no answers.

twowheelsgood

Godge wrote: »

Very good point, when it comes close to the actual election, and people start thinking about what life would be like under Sinn Fein, the questions will start. And there will be no answers.

Some of the giddyness on this thread might subside then. :pac:

maccored

I'd get out of the predictions business as this thread shows its not a strong point.

Godge wrote: »

Very good point, when it comes close to the actual election, and people start thinking about what life would be like under Sinn Fein, the questions will start. And there will be no answers.

Dyr

A month and a bit of the maria cahill accusations being milked for what little they can yield and the shinners become the most popular party in the state? Must be particularly galling when you were predicting that it would cause their support to plummet.

alastair

maccored wrote: »

I'd get out of the predictions business as this thread shows its not a strong point.

Given your unfortunate reading of the Ivor Bell news, I'd have said that you're not so hot on reading the present, let alone the future.

alastair

Bambi wrote: »

A month and a bit of the maria cahill accusations being milked for what little they can yield and the shinners become the most popular party in the state? Must be particularly galling when you were predicting that it would cause their support to plummet.

It just confirms their transfer toxicity.

alastair

Dan_Solo wrote: »

This is the same Enda who we've been told is running rings around Adams in The Dail? ;-)

That's the one. Mind you, he's carrying the handicap of overseeing another year of austerity, while the dear leader's mismanagement of things up north is less well known to the electorate down here. Still manages to run rings around Adams all the same, yes.

Dyr

alastair wrote: »

It just confirms their transfer toxicity.

The cahillgate has fallen! Fall back! Fall back to the toxicity barrier men!

A dark day for the children of Cruiser

alastair

Bambi wrote: »

The cahillgate has fallen! Fall back! Fall back to the toxicity barrier men!

A dark day for the children of Cruiser

Nope - just place more regard in bringing a rapist to justice, than protecting a corrupted political party. Strange that, eh? That's just one if the reasons why SF have about as much transfer appeal as Ebola.