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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Thursday pm: 24miles cycle
    Cycled out-and-back along the coast in the evening, but shorter than planned.

    Friday: nothing
    Was tired in the morning after > 8.5 hours sleep, and continued through the day, so shelved the aquajogging plans. Had that chest/ribs "we have worked" feeling that you sometimes get the day after a hard session.

    Saturday: 1200m freestyle, strengthening
    Still *thought* I was tired but hard to justify that after a day off and 10hours sleep last night. Let the pool visit slide till afternoon and forgot to take the belt along. So swim only (though I wouldn't have had time for both swim and aquajog anyway). The reluctant swim was 25m, 10x50m, 100m, 50m, 2x100m, 50m, 3x100m, 75m. Adding all that up it looks like 1300m in fact, only thing I'm not sure of is the 3x100m ... but I think there were three.
    "medium" lanes seem to mean something different at the weekend (or maybe it's the 25m length), today there was a "new swimmer" in the lane doing the odd length in between rests and flinging his right arm out like a drunk boxer with a wild swing ... or perhaps like TbL without the lane-rope (ducks for cover) ... had to keep a close eye on where he was at all times for fear of getting whacked. But he was not doing many lengths so I came safe.
    It was time for another walk/jog but I left it till late and tied for time I did the strengthening instead :) :halo:

    Sunday: 900m freestyle, 60mins aqua, 5mins walk, then 6x(2.5jog, 2.5walk)
    Spent about 30mins doing 4x50m, 5x100m, then 1x200m. By the end of the swim I was having no trouble swimming continuous lengths and could have extended that 200m except I had 60mins aquajogging to do before they raised the deep pool. Usual aquajogging session, tough on the sprints, had to take 60secs not 30secs after sprints 5 and 8. Gina A-M can sleep easy.
    Enjoyable couple of miles walking home from the pool - there's never been a pool visit where the ankle doesn't feel better after. Seems to free everything up.
    It had been raining here most of the weekend but it was beginning to ease off by afternoon so went out for the walk-jog up and back to the Lioness of Leith to see if I'd left my sunglasses on Tuesday eve - and I had! Retrieved them and was able to use them for the occasional bits of sunshine on the way home :). Walk-jog went ok, bits of ankle sensitivity on the first rep, but less on the others, and I finished them all without any worries.

    weekly total: 3 running miles (36mins total, I must have covered 3 miles ...), 2 strengthenings
    There was nearly a third "bonus" strengthening this evening but I only got a few exercises done. Not due till tomorrow anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Was going to wait until I was well into my re-start of the walk/jog and everything was going perfect, but might take a bit longer than expected. Over 10weeks gone now. How on earth did Laura Muir see off a stress *fracture* with just two weeks in the pool and another three weeks avoiding sessions.

    24th-30th July:

    Monday: 30mile cycle
    Along the coast and back in the evening sunshine, pushing against the wind on the return leg. Felt good. Loads of people and animals out, a festival event in Musselburgh, a pheasant who ran into the long grass before I could draw my camera, then further out lots of people paddling through the rock pools with their heads down to investigate .... Even got two sets of laundry done around the cycling. However skipped the strengthening....

    Tuesday: walk/jog 6x(3min jog/2min walk), strengthening
    Had Aquajogging on the plan but was too lazy. Made myself do the strengthening in late evening before I allowed myself do my walk/jog after, had some niggling on the run sections ....

    Wednesday: nothing
    Lazy and skipped everything.

    Thursday: 60mins Aquajogging, walk/jog 6x(3min jog/2min walk), strengthening
    Ankle still niggling so I did Tuesday's session again rather than increase, and felt similar kind of niggling to Tuesday. Hmmm ...
    Went to the pool later and did the usual aquajogging session, working hard even on the tempos (don't always get this right), and also on the sprints: took 60secs rather than 30 after reps 4 and 7, also I ended the 10th at the end of the pool and hung onto the wall gasping a bit after the final sprint.

    Friday: nothing
    Had bullied myself to go to the pool after work, had made it there and gone up to the counter to swipe in, then changed my mind and went home instead ... Hit a new low this evening when I cooked tinned sardines to go with pasta for the bone-healing effects :*vomit*:. Never again.

    Saturday: walk/jog 8x(3jog/1walk), 42miles cycle
    run: Was still having some niggles from the ankle/fibula quite late yesterday but had arranged to pace a couch-to-5k friend at parkrun. This is a new runner who is very sporadic even with the C-to-5k so the walk/jog was going to suit fine. We did 5mins w/u, 8x(3mins jog, 2mins walk) to scrape in under 45mins! Victory of the morning was passing a Couch-to-5k graduate about half way through and hence putting one person between us and the tail runner. Not sure there is going to be lots of progress from my pacee, one of those cases of planning rather than doing ... nice morning for it though, and trip to a cafe after.
    Had sensitivity during the jogs including a few more serious twinges from the 6th/7th rep. Even got a comment from my pacee that time but I passed it off (not wanting to reinforce her belief that running is a brutal challenge to the body :rolleyes:), and the leg was fine walking round after. This did not last ...
    cycle: Done out and back along the coast in the afternoon, surprise surprise, showers from time to time. Was quite comfortable. Had occasional ankle twinges which was weird, this wasn't an issue even immediately after the initial injury.

    Sunday: 1000m freestyle, bits of strengthening
    Walked to the pool early afternoon and did 1000m free as 3x50m, 2x100m, 4x150m, 50m. The end was supposed to be 200m except I ended up behind a slow breaststroke and had to step aside and wait a while.
    Was having to avoid pushing off the wall with the left foot as it was making the ankle a bit sore. After the swim I went into the deep side of the pool to do an aquajogging session and the ankle was rebelling on the push-down of the aquajog :(. Just got out of the pool and walked home, couple of twinges coming out of the changing room but not a peep from it on the 2miles walk home. Weird *terrifying*. Aquajogging had been 100% fine even from the beginning of the fibula problems ...
    Started the strengthening during Handmaid's Tale but didn't finish.

    weekly total: 5miles (I guess), 2.5 strengthenings
    Depressing end to the week with the leg feeling considerably worse. Not exactly the same spot as before but definitely the fibula. Only positive is that I worked out a test for monitoring progress this weekend; ankle was still mostly passing the "press on bone" test, but was very sensitive to rubbing up and down the ankle ... and also responding to a tap about 1.5 inches above the ankle nobble. useful for going ahead :(.


    31st-6th August:

    Monday: strengthening
    Really pissed-off about the re-injury but managed to get a strengthening session done listening to the Justin Grunewald podcast:
    http://www.ctollerun.com/justin-grunewald/
    (probably did put the fibula thing in perspective a bit).

    Tuesday-Thursday: nothing
    Protecting the fibula for the first day or two, then just too lazy/demotivated. No strengthening either.... The ankle beginning to improve a bit.

    Friday: 50mins aquajogging, strengthening
    Finally!! Was quite wary starting off but there was not a *peep* from the fibula. Whew. Pushed hard on the tempos and when it came to it I let myself off the sprints. Tight right hip flexor was part of the reason for cutting short, but not the only one ... Did the strengthening after watching the excitement of the mens 10000m.

    Saturday: 30miles cycle, strengthening
    The usual coastal cycle, had to work hard against the wind on the way back.

    Sunday: nothing
    Wasted quite a bit of time in front of the World Champs marathons. A bit knackered anyway so skipped plans for the pool, to wrap-up what was *definitely* a cutback week.

    Ankle was feeling brilliant all during the weekend, even better than when I started the walk/jogs the first time. Passing my new tests too. Huge relief.

    weekly total: 0miles, 3 strengthenings


    7th-13th August:

    Monday: 1500m freestyle, walk/jog 6x(1.5min jog, 3.5 walk), strengthening
    Back in the 50m pool. Swim done after work as 6x50m, 6x100m, and 1x600m. Was planning to do the final 600ms as 3x200m but I had hit a groove by the end of the first 200m and just kept on going and going. Was a less reluctant trip to the pool than usual and I just seemed to have a nice controlled effort from the start. Not a bit tired after either, not a surprise as I wasn't going fast.
    Had trainer-like walking shoes on so did the walk/jog on my route home from the pool after 4mins walking w/u. There were some small niggles which was a surprise after it feeling so good recently. Had a little bit of response rubbing up-and-down the fibula afterwards so I will wait till this is quiet before trying the next walk/jog.
    Strengthening done after watching the women's 1500m. By now I have good form/effort on most of these except the "drive throughs", still wobbling around on these.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    1x600m. Was planning to do the final 600ms as 3x200m but I had hit a groove by the end of the first 200m and just kept on going and going.

    1 x 600! Nice :) I'm noticing too that I seem to get into a groove further into the swim if I haven't gone out too fast at the start - makes sense I guess, like settling into a long run.

    Fingers crossed on the ankle twinges..


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    1 x 600! Nice :) I'm noticing too that I seem to get into a groove further into the swim if I haven't gone out too fast at the start - makes sense I guess, like settling into a long run.

    Yep. To be calling it "warm up" does not make any sense for my swimming as it's a matter of usually starting out too fast and bringing it down.

    They were only slight niggles yesterday eve. The rub-test is 98-99% even by now. But I'll be careful this time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Still mostly cross-training here. Will start continuous running tomorrow so am feeling hopeful and have signed up ... have donated some money to Mountain Rescue Ireland. Let's see.

    7th-13th August:

    Monday: 1500m freestyle, walk/jog 6x(1.5min jog, 3.5 walk), strengthening
    This was the day I had the milder niggling (after the week off). Anyway read AGyRs comment and decided I'd just leave it for the rest of this week too, just because, even if not needed (*polishes halo*).

    Tuesday: 60mins aquajog
    Done after work, and did all of 10x(30sec sprint, 30secs rec) straight through without taking any extra time in between. *whooofff*.
    With aquajogging you never look forward to it, or enjoy the time doing it either, but sometimes there's a little bit of satisfaction walking home with the belt under the arm and the session done.

    Wednesday: 1500m freestyle
    Done after work as 6x50m, 6x100m, 200m, 100m, 300m. Nothing to report, not quite as comfortable as Monday but still fairly easy. Nothing timed.

    Thursday: 26miles cycle
    The usual out and back along the coast, headwind on the way home.

    Friday-Sunday: nothing
    Had done 4days in a row by now. Might have even been 5days as I had Aquajogging on the schedule for Friday but instead I jumped on a festival event to avoid it. Then travelled to Dublin and with loads and loads of family stuff on there was no chance to do anything, and it continued the same way for nearly a week. Just as well I'd got the 4days done at the start of the week....

    weekly total: 4 cross-trainings (5.5 hours), 2 strengthenings :(


    14th-20th August

    Monday: walk/jog 6x(1.5jog/3.5walk)
    Day later than planned because of the family stuff. Walk/jog went well, slight feel that the ankle bone was different, but not niggling as such. Was happy with it afterwards but did a good bit of brisk walking in afternoon into town and around the shops dodging torrential rain, and towards the end of that could feel a bit of sensitivity rubbing the bone. Pretty sure it was the hard walking rather than the jogging, and by the next morning it was gone.

    Tuesday-Wednesday: nothing
    Still in Dublin and loads going on and I never even made to Rathmines. Not sure whether it's my niece/nephew or my Aunt that are the more tiring :rolleyes: ... Started the strengthening a couple of times (had a couple of stone extra bodyweight for the planks) but never got going. Even the walk-jog pushed out from Wednesday.

    Thursday: walk/jog 6x(2jog/3walk)
    Came back to Edinburgh and did the walk/jog round the neighbourhood loop in the evening. All fine. Absolutely knackered after the 5days though and that was to continue for a while.

    Friday: 55mins aquajogging
    Usual session but I only did 5x(30secs sprint, 30secs rec) instead of 10, so slightly shorter. Was tired when I got back to the flat and no strengthening was done....

    Saturday: 1100m freestyle, walk/jog 6x(2:45jog/2:15walk)
    Swim on the way to a wine-tasting before the pool closing at 5pm: 4x50m, 4x75m, 6x100m then the pool was shutting and I had to get out. Was at the wine-tasting till 10pm, home at 11pm and very tired and feeling a little bit queasy. Went outside and did the walk-jog to get some fresh air, but when I came back I was still not feeling great and it was a bit of mild food poisoning I *think*, no comments please. Not in shape for strengthening.

    Sunday: nothing
    Was tired and skipped the planned cycle. But strengthening was done before bed!

    weekly total: 3miles, 2 cross-trainings (1.5hours), 1-2 strengthenings


    21st-27th August:

    Monday: walk/jog 6x(3:20jog/1:40walk)
    Walk-jog done at lunchtime mostly on grass, stretching after. No niggles or twinges.

    Tuesday: 55mins aquajog, strengthening
    Strengthening in the office mid-afternoon and this time I sweated a bit. Aquajogging after work, cut it slightly short and only did 7 sprints. It was hard (as usual).

    Wednesday: walk/jog 6x(4jog/1walk), strengthening
    Properly tired this morning and during the day so skipped the planned swim. Rub-test of the fibula was clear this morning/today. Did the walk/jog on the meadows at 6pm in lovely weather, slight niggling on final run-section or two.
    Strengthening done at home!

    Thursday: nothing
    Session with the physio and we progressed the exercises a bit. She says my form is pretty good. Have been thinking of walking the West Highland Way from 22nd September and she wouldn't commit to backing the idea (while not ruling against either). Discussed the pros and cons. Will not decide for sure yet but I'm less likely to do it I think....

    Friday: 1300m freestyle
    Reluctant 12x50m followed by 7x100m freestyle and it was a slog. Was counting down to my minimum of 1200m all the way and managed to squeeze out one extra 100m.

    Saturday: 45miles cycle, walk/jog 6x(4:20 jog, :40 walk)
    Cycle along the coast in gorgeous sunshine and went all the way to North Berwick today, less windy as usual (and still sunny) for the return leg. Bought a Twister at the 30mile point, then at 40miles dropped into a garage with the idea of testing the new horrible Lucozade ... looked same as always and tasted decent, when I got home I checked the bottle and Googled the details and it was the old version I had. They had plenty in the fridge and also some bigger bottles with the same glucose stats so might do a shorter cycle midweek and stock up.
    Went back out an hour later after having a little rest and went to the park to do the jog-walk. Mostly grass with just the 1st and 6th reps on hard surfaces. Went well with the ankle feeling good.

    Sunday: strengthening
    Already done! (the new collection). Might have gone to the pool and not tired any more (after some big sleeps during the week), but tidying the flat instead.

    weekly total: 6.5miles, 3 crosstrainings (6hours), 3 strengthenings


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Thanks for the reminder to donate to Mountain Rescue ;) did you donate to the long or short course?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Ah I'm not insane. Short of *course* and not even sure of making that but have 13 weeks so fingers crossed :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Two more weeks of mostly cross-training (this is *not* a running-log) to continue the longest story in the history of minor injuries that hardly hurt but go on forever :rolleyes:

    28th-3rd September:

    Monday: 30mins run (2.89miles)
    First continuous running after lunch on the meadows, steady rather than fast because I was enjoying moving my legs again (10:30, 10:20, 10:19). One scary moment about 5mins in when I stumbled on a bit of uneven trail but I managed to keep myself upright and luckily it was the good leg doing the work to rescue. Did 3-4 mins walking to w/u and same to c/d walking too (not in the 2.89). Fibula seemed ok. But when rubbed the bone afterwards there was a good bit of sensitivity....

    Tuesday: 60mins aquajog
    Less relucant than usual. Did all the sprints and only took 30secs extra rec after the 7th sprint, and only because the lifeguard took pity on my huffings and puffings decided to compliment me on my efforts. Deep pink face in the mirror afterwards as usual. It was after 9pm when I was leaving the pool and as black as night, bye summer.

    Wednesday: 32mins run (3.05miles), strengthening
    Again on the meadows, and again I went a bit too "fast", and there was some slight response towards the end. Average pace 10:29. Did the strengthening!

    Thursday: 60mins aquajogging
    Another willing aquajogging session and seemed to pass quicker than usual, though I might have had the effort slightly too easy on the tempo bits. The same lifeguard from Tuesday was there again and spoke to me after the 6th/7th sprint again, this time I kept it short and only used the usual 30secs rec. Am getting to know them too well in there ...

    Friday: 1200m swim, 35mins run (3.42miles)
    Another 35mins bit-too-fast run on the meadows. Reluctant swim after work, 8x50m, 8x100m freestyle and didn't have the motivation for any more. It did cross my mind I could think I could be doing better things with my Friday night!
    The fibula sensitive to rub-test this eve :rolleyes:.

    Saturday: 12miles cycle, strengthening, 50mins spin
    6miles cycle to volunteer at parkrun and the same on my way back. Bit of bonding on the injury front with one of the other volunteers. Did a "R.P.M." (spin) session in the afternoon and it was tough at times. Also confusing as the instructor had a strong Scottish accent and though I'm nearly fluent by now, it's different when there's music blasting and you're gasping to keep up. Sweated a lot.

    Sunday: 30miles cycle
    There was to be a run today but due to the rub-sensitivity I pushed it out.
    Took a different route to the coast for once with the plan of cycling South to Roslin and back. Some nice cycle paths along the river along the way, and I got to about 1km of Rosslyn chapel (Da Vinci code)... had planned to go all the way to the chapel and visit their cafe but I don't know this route and I'd come down some steepish hills towards the end worrying about how I'd get back up them ... and then came to a steep uphill and decided to cut my losses. It turned out I was able to climb all the hills on the way back. Then as I continued back towards the city I realised that the tough outwards journey was because there'd been a slight uphill I'd never even noticed :) ... so I had an easy spin for most of the way back home. Being Sunday the small towns were quiet so had to wait to get my coffee and bacon till I was back in the city centre.

    weekly total: 3 short runs (9.3miles), 5-6 cross-trainings (7.5 hours), 2 strengthenings
    A good week, except for the strengthening. And of course would prefer not to be rubbing my fibula all the time and deciding whether to back-off or not ....


    4th-10th September:

    Monday: nothing
    Too busy to go to the gym. Went out to do my run in the evening because the ankle had been ok today, but I thought I felt something in the early stages and came back. Was clear to the rub-test afterwards though, so not sure what I felt ...

    Tuesday: 3miles easy
    Had booked myself in for "Skills and Drills" at the pool but cancelled it because of work. Went out for my run in the evening and did 3miles untimed without trouble, a bit easier pace than last week.

    Wednesday: 40mins spin
    Did RPM again today and thought I noticed a bit of sensation on a couple of the "climbs" standing on the pedals and pushing....

    Thursday: nothing
    Run not done, or anything else. Can't remember whether the leg was niggling or I was just fed up, probably both!

    Friday: 2miles run
    Swim or aquajogging both dodged, same for the strengthening (for the 5th day in a row ...). Was doing the run on the neighbourhood loop, so the first continuous run on hard surfaces post-injury, so stuck to 2miles.

    Saturday: 60mins aquajogging
    Finally htfu'd for this. The usual session and was happy to do it.

    Sunday: 32miles cycle, 35mins run (3.1miles), strengthening
    An out-and-back along the coast in the early afternoon with a detour inland along the cycle paths to where I'd seen blackberries last weekend, had taken a tub with me so picked enough to make a crumble. Had gone out in nice weather with rain forecast for a few hours on, and I didn't make it all the way home ... it was *torrential*. Was still on the cycle path and there were quite a few dog-walkers who'd got caught in it, one couple had dressed for the weather in their GoreTex but their poor animal was bare and getting drenched :(. Also a guy in a mobility cart hiding under a tree, but he'd come out with his umbrella :pac:.
    Did the run later on in the evening round the neighbourhood loop. Also did the strengthening, kind-of, it's been so long I had to check my email to remind myself of the progression for the dynamic side-planks ...let's say no more.

    weekly total: 3 short runs (8.1miles), 3 cross-trainings (5hours), 0.5 strengthenings
    A *very* bad week. Ashamed of the terrible strengthening performance. Not too happy with the cross-training either but at this stage I'm not sure how much longer I can keep it up.
    The running ... I run with the leg feeling ok, then after the run it's sensitive to rubbing, then after a day or so the sensitivity is gone and ready to go again the next day. Also even though it's sensitive to the rubbing and that's the test, if I spend a while on it, it seems to improve things?? (*tries-to-describe-carefully-to-avoid-sniggers*) Could type some more fascinating details of the sensitivity but will leave it.... It's a pain though and even though the runs are going all right, I don't feel I'm out of the woods, feel I will be watching it for weeks. Can understand now why people hate these stress injuries.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Seems that maybe I "anti-jinxed" myself with that last post, hoping this won't undo the magic. Have had no soreness to rubbing the bone this past week, even directly after the runs. So have managed to do three small runs, to make a whopping total of ....

    weekly total: 11miles
    All done at a comfortable pace of around 11min/mile.

    In every way this week was terrible. Work was busy and I came back to Dublin on Thursday, and loads of stuff to do here too. A bit stressful and have ignored the pumpkin seeds that I'd been eating for bone repair and focused on Tayto, skittles and coffee instead. Sleep lost with the travel and again on Saturday night sharing the bed with a 3year old toddler and 3month old kitten, getting kicked by the toddler and worrying I'd be scratched if I rolled the wrong way!

    Not a scraping of cross-training done this week which is bad as the runs are too short/easy to count for anything. No strengthening either :o. Going to write the week off and cheer for Mayo and going off out for the evening, back to the routine from tomorrow I really hope!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Seems that maybe I "anti-jinxed" myself with that last post, hoping this won't undo the magic. Going to write the week off and cheer for Mayo and going off out for the evening, back to the routine from tomorrow I really hope!

    oops! :D

    glad to see you getting back into the running M... all the cross-training and swimming makes me feel guilty :p


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    annapr wrote: »
    oops! :D

    glad to see you getting back into the running M... all the cross-training and swimming makes me feel guilty :p

    Oh there is plenty of guilt here the past few weeks :o:o:o .... am trying to draw myself back onto the straight and narrow now!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    18th-24th Sept:

    Monday: nothing
    Still in Dublin and took a rest day. There was probably a plan to go to the pool but it didn't happen.

    Tuesday: 4miles+ untimed run
    Done after work on the trails of the meadows in the evening sunshine, lovely :). Little bit of soreness rubbing the fibula after.

    Wednesday: 60mins aquajogging
    After work, straight though without any extra recovery on the sprints. Not sure I was working hard enough on the tempos.

    Thursday: 4miles+ untimed run, strengthening
    Same run as Tuesday's, except a little bit later in the evening, it was getting dark towards the end. Did the strengthening before bed, and had to regress to earlier versions for dynamic side plank and dynamic bridge (because of the fortnight+ of no strengthening ...)

    Friday: nothing
    Was a bit late leaving work and bailed on all the plans for swimming, aquajogging ...

    Saturday: 60mins aquajogging
    Usual session. Got to the pool just in time to squeeze this in before it shut, though I think technically it was 58 mins. Had to take 1min instead of 30secs after the 6th sprint, otherwise all done as per script.
    Had a jog-on-terra-firma on the schedule for today but never got to it, probably no harm given the niggling earlier in the week.

    Sunday: 49mins easy (4.3miles @11:25 avg)
    First time run this week, nice and slow round the neighbourhood loop in the evening. Had twinges from the ankle a couple of times in the last 5mins, so need to keep my eye on that.

    weekly total: 12.4miles as 3 runs, 2x60mins aquajoggings, 1 strengthening :(

    Slightly better than the previous week, but plenty to be done ...

    This is my favourite time of the year for running, wish I was free to do more interesting routes! Jealous of the DCM training going on round here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    25th September-1st October

    Monday: *strengthening*
    At last! Embarrassing thinking back to the prevarications and the many interruptions but it was eventually done.

    Tuesday: 4mile run (42mins+, @10:35 avg pace), strengthening
    Run after work on the grass of the meadows: it was lovely mild weather and there was a big group doing speed-training and I couldn't resist picking up the pace a bit. It *felt* fast. Came back to office with splashes on the inside calves :).
    Did the strengthening *again* to have an extra one in the bank in case of skipping later in the week, just as well.

    Wednesday: 60mins aquajog
    Usual session late after work and worked hard on everything. Face was like a beetroot looking in the mirror after, and I felt tired walking home.

    Thursday: 4.1miles run (45mins+ @11:04 pace)
    On the meadows again, same route as Tuesday, but I behaved better pace-wise today; was still tired from yesterday's aquajog anyway. Also cancelled a planned swim to make sure the strengthening would get done .... but it didn't.

    Friday: nothing
    Tired (I think). Bailed on my swim after getting to the pool ... and getting changed ... and wavering on the side for the pool for a few minutes, the reluctance was so strong. Got in and did two awful lengths and got back out again. Not sure whether I was really tired or this was all psychological.

    Saturday: 40miles cycle, strengthening, 4.4miles run
    Out and back along the coast in the afternoon, lovely conditions for it and I was a little bit faster than usual. Was tired but forced myself to do the strengthening late at night before I could run. Was nearly midnight when I got out for the run for 4 neighbourhood loops @10:55 avg pace. Few bars of the music from "Rocky" as I passed a big group leaving a party :rolleyes:.

    Might have swum today but am going to leave it and will do a 4th strengthening later on I hope. Long weekend coming up next week so the aim will be to do a few cross-trainings and strengthenings early in the week to have a buffer for the dossing (hurray!) at the weekend.

    Have been feeling quite *proud* of the fibula this week, it has behaved pretty well.

    weekly total: 2 cross-trainings (4.5hours), 3runs (12.5miles), 3 strengthenings (probably 4)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    2nd-8th October

    Monday: 47mins run (4.5miles @10:25 avg pace), strengthening
    3 and a half loops of the meadows without any niggling, mostly grass/trail. And strengthening done!

    Tuesday: nothing
    Had a dinner out through work, and came back home with the slightest dose of food-poisoning after I think (hoping not the restaurant, the food was lovely). Anyway both aquajogging and strengthening were skipped.

    Wednesday: 46mins+ run (4.6miles @10:03 avg pace), 60mins aquajogging
    Lunchtime run on the meadows and though the pace is picking up this didn't feel too fast. Mostly grass/trail. There was a bit of tenderness on the bone after but it was gone by evening. Aquajogging done after work, oooff, it was hard! 1min instead of 30secs after the 8th sprint. Getting off the bus at my stop afterwards I realised I longer had the Aquajogging belt.

    Thursday: 45mins+ run pm (4miles, about 11:20 pace)
    The aquajogging belt ... thoughts of fate and all that stuff came to mind. But called the pool and they had it ... have still to pick it up at the time of writing this.
    Did the run on the meadows taking it easy and it was 4miles at about 11:20+ pace. Mostly grass/trail. Had made a first attempt at using Garmin connect earlier in the day and had managed to upset the data by clicking an executable file, history got deleted but apart from that it wasn't calculating any distance during the run (even though it could find the GPS signal ok). Had done this route before so took the distance from that. From Google searches it seems I probably corrupted the filespace of the Garmin.
    No strengthening done because I had stay up late to finish off a bit of work.

    Friday: nothing
    Travelling to Paris to get a last visit in before my brother moves back to Dublin. Nothing done.

    Saturday: 53mins+ run (5.2miles @10:14 avg)
    We had originally been thinking of visiting one of the Paris parkruns but had changed our minds and decided to lie in instead. Left the run till early afternoon and then ran down to the local park. My brother damaged his knee two and half years ago and was told his "running days are over" at that time. He did what he was told but over the last few months he's been doing a parkrun every few weeks - without any other training apart from walking. We did three laps of park de Buttes-Chaumont at his request (I was planning two, and the run home), and then walked back to the flat. It was a bit hilly, first exposure to "hills" since returning from this injury. All hard surfaces too. Also a little bit longer than I'd planned. He did well, mostly kept up with me, had to stop to walk a little bit only a couple of times.
    We went out to the Museums for the "Nuit Blanche" and only came back at 2am, so guess what??? No strengthening :o.

    Sunday: nothing
    (though we did walk many miles around Paris). We had been planning on an early night but we bumped into one of my brother's friends at dinner and ended up spending 3-4 hours in the pub debating the taxation systems of France/Ireland/etc, the housing crisis in Ireland, money supply in the economy, the refugees in tents round the outskirts of Paris, etc etc. The city of Romance! Was knackered and didn't do the strengthening when we got back after midnight.

    weekly total: 60mins aquajogging, 18.3miles as 4 runs, 1 strengthening :(


    9th-15th October

    Monday: strengthening, 55mins+ run (5.4miles @10:17 avg)
    Got up late and fortunately had the flat to myself, did the strengthening before allowing myself out for a croissant.
    Did the run in Parc de Buttes-Chamont in the evening after coming back from Galeries Lafayette. All hard surfaces. Had been planning on a slightly shorter run by skipping the 3rd loop and running back to the flat instead ... but had an accidental detour on the way home and got up to 5.4miles. Had been using the "Strava App" on my phone for these Paris runs and suspect it is overestimating distance.

    Tuesday: nothing
    Back to Edinburgh and to work, tired/lazy.

    Wednesday: nothing
    Tired/lazy.

    Thursday: 47:30mins run (4.7 miles @10:07 avg pace)
    Mostly grass/trail. Garmin still bugged and unable to record distance, and was using the Strava app as backup - *definitely* over-estimating a bit as this was a meadows run identical to one of the two I did last week (so 4.6miles at a maximum).

    Friday: strengthening, 49mins+ run (4.3miles, 11:25 avg pace)
    Finally sorted out the Garmin by reformatting it on the right computer, tested it out walking home and it measured the distance and pace and saved an entry into the History! Used the Garmin again to record 4 late-night neighbourhood loops. Had forced myself to do the strengthening before letting myself go out for the run :).

    Saturday: 30miles+ cycle
    Out and back along the coast.

    Sunday: 60mins+ run (5.6miles @10:50 avg pace)
    First time back in Holyrood Park since the injury (ie 4 months!) doing one loop of the circular road, and one circuit round the playing fields. About half grass and half hard surfaces. It was *beautiful* sunshiny weather and a perfect day for a run until I got up to the exposed sections - very serious wind effect for the higher sections of miles 2 and 3. Also I had taken my phone along to take a couple of photos and was terrified it'd get blown out of my hand. Leg did well though. Had chafing against the top of my left leg in the last mile or two, it's a pair of shorts I rarely wear.

    weekly: 1 cycle (30miles), 20miles as 4runs, 2 strengthenings

    Must Will do better on the strengthening. Also will dust off my swim-togs and collect my aquajogging belt.

    Hope everyone is staying in from the storm!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    October 16th -> now: cross-training, bits of strengthening, occasional jog

    Same old story :o. Had started feeling some soreness in the ball of my left foot in that last week I logged, but not even enough to mention it in the writeup. Couple more runs the following week and it was feeling a bit "bony" and similar location to a stress fracture of the 2nd metatarsal a couple of years ago. I decided I'd come off it early for once, didn't even visit the physio this time, for bone stress the only thing they can do is say rest it anyway. Am sure that it was a early stress reaction from the feeling and then the behaviour during resting-and-rehabbing. Cause will have been that thing of (just a tiny teensy little bit of) too much too soon, Paris had hills and hard surfaces and new-trainers and a little mileage increase.

    After the resting have been re-introducing running for the past month or so and am up around 4miles now but also still watching it. January and February will be very cautious increases, strengthening, 5-week weights class and cross-training alas. Have stuck myself on Strava and the jogs are there if not the swims or strengthenings or the aquajogging :rolleyes:. Not quite as much of that stuff going on as there should be but I have been doing a bit.

    Goals and targets officially out the window for 2018 though of course secretly I have drawn up a detailed training outline for the year ... and revised it. We'll see. Either way the first few months are conservative.

    Embarrassed by the broken-record nature of this post but at this stage I think probably no-one is reading the log for sessions or race reports. Will not be posting a yearly mileage chart though. Will stick another post up when/if I manage to race a parkrun.

    Now back to the strengthening I've been avoiding for the past hour ...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Recovering, getting strong and knocking an injury ridden 2017 are goals?

    Really disappointed for you after such a difficult year injury wise. You're so dedicated to your training and you train so hard, it's not fair to see you knocked down just when you're building yourself back up again.

    Keep logging, I enjoy hearing about your hill running and recovery.

    Really hoping 2018 is a good year for you, you deserve it :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Neady83 wrote: »
    Recovering, getting strong and knocking an injury ridden 2017 are goals?

    Really disappointed for you after such a difficult year injury wise. You're so dedicated to your training and you train so hard, it's not fair to see you knocked down just when you're building yourself back up again.

    Well, not *always* so dedicated. And there is no getting up at 6am round here :pac:.

    Getting stronger and knocking an injury ridden 2015-2017 is kind of a goal. Also, if that doesn't work and the injuries continue, to switch to other activities unfortunately. You have to learn sometime. My biomechanics aren't the best.

    Good luck with all the long-distance for 2018. Very envious of all those miles!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Probably unwise to be tempting fate by adding a log entry, but am on the ferry with working internet and a few hours to kill so I'll throw caution to the wind. Am back running a bit since December and am knocking on the door of 21miles for this week assuming I don't re-injure before tomorrow.

    Summary below but overall it's kind of "more of the usual".

    1st-7th Jan: 10.4miles as two runs, 1 bodyweight strengthening
    Would have been more than two runs only I had the leftovers of a cold. Was still in Dublin at the start of this week and was getting lectures from all and sundry about running with a cold, so had to rein it in. Second run was 5.7miles round Holyrood Park after I got back to Edinburgh, picked up the effort a bit for that. Cannot remember a reason for the bad strengthening.

    8th-14th Jan: 13.3 miles as three runs, 1 bike (30miles), 2 bodyweight strengthenings
    Finally forced myself to get back to doing some cross-training (slipped entirely over the run up to Christmas and I hadn't started again).
    Gripped by the Spine Race this week and thoughts turning to Pennine Way, long-distance walking, marathons, adventure races ... none of these realistic for the time being, but I did feel that if those people could spend days and nights running through blizzards and wind and rain with blisters on their feet, then I could raise the strength to do the bodyweight strengthening three times a week. That feeling did not last ....

    15th-21st Jan: 14.6miles as three runs, 1 bodyweight strengthening
    Being very careful with the mileage increases, partly because the foot had still been niggling. Strengthening no better and I noticed that I had gone backwards a bit after the few lazy weeks.

    22nd-28th Jan: 12.4miles as three runs, 1 swim (1200m freestyle), 1 weights class, 2 strengthenings
    Started the first in a series of 5 "ladies lifting" classes :rolleyes: on Wednesday and got my introduction to squats and bench press with 20 others. Squats not too bad but I disgraced myself on the bench press even compared to the other 'ladies' having been months since I did any press-ups; they were in my back exercises set, but not in current bodyweight strengthenings ... have added them back in now. Want to continue the weight-training 1day a week to help strengthen against injury, so quite motivated to learn how to use all the equipment. There was niggling from the foot the day after the weights, so I cut Thursday's run short and weekly "mileage" was reduced. The niggling was gone again the following day. Finally made my way back to a swimming pool after two months's absence, wasn't as bad as I expected.

    29th Jan- 4th Feb: 18miles as 4 runs, 1 swim (~1000m in a 25yds pool), 1 weights class, 2.5 bodyweight strengthenings
    Bit better this week, did 4runs for the first time, longest one 6.3miles and felt like a fair effort given the general unfitness.

    5th-11th Feb: 19miles as 4 runs, 1 weights class, 1 bodyweight strengthening
    Had family arriving to visit on Sunday and between the flat-cleaning, and work being busy, and troubles with my letting agency over past weeks, generally a bit frantic and I took my eye off the strengthening. At weight-training we have now worked through the classic exercises of weighted squats, bench press, deadlift, shoulder press and bent-over row (with bar, but not a lot of weight on either side!). My bench press still disgraceful.... We tied up huge elastic bands to do supported chin-ups this week and it was a bit of fun, and I wasn't the dunce of the class for that which was nice.
    Run mileage increasing gradually, this week's LSR was 6.7 miles, and it was a bit of an effort being honest.

    12th-18th Feb: 21miles as 4 runs (when tomorrow's run is done), 1 weights class, strengthening ... TBC
    Three runs already done this, and they came in a bit faster, with two at sub-10min pace. Focus right now is on increasing mileage but still it is nice to see a bit of improvement in pace too. Planning 7.5miles for tomorrow.


    Plans going forward are to increase the mileage, but very gradually. Am loving the "training to train" thread but won't be able to increase at the same rate as others. Have had niggling of the metatarsal for most of the above weeks this year, except each time the niggling is less, and eases more quickly each time. Hardly anything this/last week fortunately. Right now have a slight 'pinch in bum' which I associate with the disc problem I had in 2016, but it's very light, will keep an eye.

    Am going to take up strengthening for lent (*calls to mind the Spine Race competitors*). Other plan is to increase the cross-training again ... to help improve endurance without stressing my poor biomechanics with extra running. It looks like I am going to have some extra free days over the upcoming month so I will try to get a long-cycle or hike in each week which I think would help a lot. And Easter weekend a weekend of mountains again this year.

    The base-building plan has been polished and refined many times, right now the upcoming months look like below (there are other secret plans for later months :rolleyes:, but I'll see how this goes first ...)

    February: 19mpw avg (longest week 21.5miles, longest LSR 7.5). Some strides and hills.

    March: 22mpw avg (longest week 25miles, longest LSR 8.5). Strides, hills, little bits of tempo or fartlek. Will do a parkrun test at some point.

    April: 26mpw avg (longest week 28miles, longest LSR 9.5). Strides, little bits of tempo/fartlek, increased hill.


    Ah yes, am so wise/jaded that I have cut-back weeks in the plan every 4-5 weeks. The first one is next week, when I'll drop back down to 16 miles :rolleyes:.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    I know what you mean with the log update *touches wood*. We will both soon find out if that is in fact the cause of our running woes :D. Luckily there's strava ;).

    Welcome back!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    I know what you mean with the log update *touches wood*.

    It was quite freeing not to have to be reporting on the plodding&niggling over the past couple of months. Not to mention the boards community spared the merry-go-round of twinges and niggling and backing-off and strengthening-angst which has been seen once or twice before on this log.

    Finges crossed for both of us :). Careful now!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Fingers crossed indeed, delighted to see you back on the road and doing it incredibly sensibly.

    We all have our fingers crossed for you :) The Spine was epic wasn't it - just incredible the punishment those guys and gals put themselves through.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Neady83 wrote: »
    The Spine was epic wasn't it - just incredible the punishment those guys and gals put themselves through.

    They are lunatics! (in the best way). I should play the soundtrack music during my strengthening :pac:.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Have been looking at some other logs, so might as well put in my own update. Positives and negatives for the past few weeks, running has gone to plan but strengthening has been poor, and I am watching a disc-y twinge over the past week ...

    19th-25th Feb: 16.8miles running, 1 weights class, 1 strength

    This was a cutback week, 16miles the plan, and I more or less stuck to it. It was the week I noticed the pace start to come back into the legs, with comfortable runs close to 10 min miles.

    Mon: *strengthening*
    Tues: 4.1miles run (10:11 avg)
    Wed: 3.3miles incl 2 100m strides (10:03 avg), "ladies lifting" class
    Run done on the trails in the afternoon.
    Had my final "ladies lifting" class in the evening, we added circuits with dumbbells for 4 rounds of (10xDBpress, 10xDBrow each side, 10xDBlunge alternate sides, 40secs plank), this was very enjoyable and I'll like doing these again. Also got a suggested 3-day training schedule and will try it but will arrange to fit it as 2-days. Having written all that I am yet to make it back to the weights room.
    Thurs: nothing
    Too busy at work for aquajogging or strengthening.
    Fri: nothing
    Too tired this eve (two late nights/reduced sleep for work) for run or strengthening.
    Sat: 4.1miles @10:15 avg
    Had hopes of doing a hike over the border in Montane Spine territory today, but cancelled because of tiredness. Didn't exit bed till past 11am, knackered. Run done as the scenic route to John Lewis to buy a 50th birthday present for a party tonight.
    Sun: 5.3miles with 2miles fartlek (sub-10 avg overall)
    Reluctant run in the cold, but I went round the neighbourhood loop to do 1mile easy, 1mile fartlek (8:30), 1mile easy, 1mile fartlek (8:57), 1-and-bit mile easy. Was happy with the paces.


    26th-4th Mar: 22.7miles running, 1 hike

    A strange week what with the snow, but also supposed to be striking at work first three days of the week (but not saving much time really as doing extra on the weekends to prepare to go strike :rolleyes:). A weird time, and it continues.... Anyway I got all of the planned running done, only change to my plan was that I took the "tempo" bit out of Thursday's run as didn't seem safe to do it on compacted snow. Few compliments about my toughness on doing the running in snow which of course I appreciate!

    Mon: nothing
    As planned (well, expect strengthening had been planned)
    Tues: 8miles hike, 4.5miles easy-ish (10min/mile-ish)
    Used one of my strike days for a hike in the Pentlands before the bad weather hit. Had planned well for this, and knew that visibility and wind were going to be good up to mid-afternoon, so took the bus out and did 8miles over some medium hills (about 500m each). Got some beautiful photos with nice combinations of sun and cloud, and got down to the road for the walk-back with good conditions. It was getting colder on the walk-back along the road and the wind was more icy, couple of inches of snow lying at this point.
    Did the run straight after getting back into town before the bits of snow could ice-over. 4-and-a-bit neighbourhood loops and I had metatarsal soreness for the last 1.5, would have been 5-and-a-bit miles otherwise. Had felt something minor on the hills earlier, and maybe after Sundays fartlek.
    Wed: nothing
    As planned. And with the same proviso as Monday. Spent a good bit of time indoors hiding from the snow and bitter cold.
    Thurs: 5.5miles not-all-that-easy (11:05 avg pace)
    Went out during a break in the snow around lunchtime and did a loop of Holyrood and a loop of the playing fields. Quite a lot of people out sledging or enjoying the weather, also a few people on skis. There had been enough people on the paths and trails to make the snow a bit compact, but still dry and crunchy. Apart from some bitter wind in the second half it was enjoyable.
    Fri: 5miles not-all-that-easy (10:28 avg)
    Did this one on the compressed snow of the meadows trails, and had come from the office so had my trail runners. Ground was a bit lumpy, with some sludgy bits and I was happy to hop out onto clear tarmac for a few short stretches. Found it difficult though, had a strong desire to stop at the 3mile point and had to force myself on.
    Sat: nothing
    Sun: 7.65miles LSR (10:26 avg)
    Enjoyable mixed-terrain run in rain with slush, padded-snow, some tarmac. Had really not been keen to head out but within half a mile I was enjoying it, and could have continued further. Holyrood loop with a couple of anti-clockwise meadows circuits added on.

    Think it was some time on the weekend that I started to feel the disc-related glute-pinch increase a bit. Just after quietening the stress reaction, *sigh*.


    5th-11th Mar: 25.4miles, 1 strength

    Snow gone! So running is easier anyway. Main feature of this week was watching the glute pinch; the niggle developed to include some shin-twinges towards the end of this week, but only occasional faint twinges. It does mar the pleasure of the 25miles a bit though.

    Mon: nothing
    Tues: 5.2miles with 2miles @tempo (8:47, 8:33), strengthening
    Had gone to a winter running talk this evening, so only did the run when I got home from that. Not likely to skip it after sitting through tales of 7day ultras and bear escapes. Did the run round the neighbourhood loop, 1.5 miles easy, then the fast 2 miles, then 1.7 easy, all on neighbourhood loop. Happy to see the miles come in at the paces they did but to be honest it was probably faster than current tempo pace whatever that is. Especially as I was pretty tired for the couple of following days....
    Strengthening was done as a mix of half-during-day, half before bed, knew I wouldn't do it if I left it all till late.
    Wed: 2.5miles easy (10:52)
    Very tired this morning. Just an easy run for mileage sake, this being the first 5-day week. Noticed the pinch in bum today having increased from last week, with maaaaybe slight shin twinge tonight :(.
    Thurs: 5.1miles incl 4x100m strides (10:06 avg overall)
    Very tired again this morning, slept in, had about 10hours sleep. Think still an overhang from Tuesday's hard run. Run was an easy flat loop.
    Fri: nothing
    Sat: 4miles @10:15 avg
    Overslept to 11am today, destroyed (Friday was a non-strike day so had zillions of things to catch up on). Late evening run done in the wet as a scenic route to the supermarket; skipped the planned strides in case they'd affect the disc.
    Sun: 8.5miles hilly (10:39 avg pace)
    Hilly-ish run including a loop of Holyrood park and also an inner trail through Holyrood and back round again. Had to put in a bit of effort on the uphills, but otherwise this was quite comfortable. It was mucky on the trails and grass and the trail shoes that got washed in the snow last week are black again.

    The main defect of the previous weeks is the poor strengthening and lack of cross-training. Have not managed to get to the pool yet, truly the striking is not all it's cracked up to be....

    So where from here?

    Plan for this week was 23miles with a raced parkrun on Patrick's day to see where I am. I didn't do yesterday's run because I put it off till after dark and couldn't push myself out the door after that. Disc is a bit better yesterday/today. So I'll plan to get the 23miles done this week, and see how things are before racing Saturday.

    Then I have to decide what to do with the rest of my year. Had it on my mind to bring the mileage up gradually over the next few months to do the "Seven Hills" race here in June and then the DCM in October. But I am not sure that's wise as I think 14.5miles with hills might be too much to build for in 3 months. Especially as I want to bring a swim and a bike/hike back into most weeks training. And the weights! Also can't help but notice that if I had 25-30 miles per week on a consistent basis I'd have better annual mileage than ever before. So I think I won't be signing up for the Seven Hills. Not going to rule out DCM just yet though it's unlikely I'll have the base for it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Also can't help but notice that if I had 25-30 miles per week on a consistent basis I'd have better annual mileage than ever before. So I think I won't be signing up for the Seven Hills. Not going to rule out DCM just yet though it's unlikely I'll have the base for it.

    Hmmmm, not sure it's a great idea to go down the road of chasing miles too quickly to beat some random target :) You're going well enough for now, slowly slowly! Have fingers crossed to make the start line of DCM this year though!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Hmmmm, not sure it's a great idea to go down the road of chasing miles too quickly to beat some random target :) You're going well enough for now, slowly slowly! Have fingers crossed to make the start line of DCM this year though!

    Hey, I was saying the opposite! Have 25.4miles last week and have been conservatively building (the reason week 1 of those three was 16 was because it was a cutback). In sticking at 25-30 I'm saying only very incremental increase for the time being ... (and no 7 Hills which would require more)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Hey, I was saying the opposite! Have 25.4miles last week and have been conservatively building (the reason week 1 of those three was 16 was because it was a cutback). In sticking at 25-30 I'm saying only very incremental increase for the time being ... (and no 7 Hills which would require more)

    Ah yes sorry, I was thinking you wanted to increase to 25-30 but of course you're already there :o.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Let's do the weekly update and no one is allowed to comment about the strengthening. Has been a stressful week. Also saw the weather forecast worsening so I decided it was best to postpone the parkrun trial to a better weekend. So did an LSR this week after all.

    Monday, Tuesday: nothing
    Monday was planned rest, Tuesday laziness.

    Wednesday: 6.1miles easy @9:48 avg, 5x100m strides in final 1.5miles
    "Get some miles in run" done in the evening. It was just a bit too late to head to park for the planned hills, just did an easy coastal loop. I was coming along the coast road half way through and a rabbit dashed down the deep verge away from the road :) bit later another smaller one at the top of the verge near my feet - probably a junior who hasn't learnt the dangers yet! I didn't have my camera unfortunately.

    Thursday: nothing
    Too lazy and pissed-off to do anything.

    Friday: 6.5miles easy @9:32 avg
    Late evening run after dithering all afternoon, again too close to the sunset to head towards park and hills (surprise surprise). Same coastal loop as Wednesday without the strides, like Wednesday this faster pace was pretty comfortable, so I think I'm hitting that stage when the few months of running is bringing the pace back.

    Saturday: 1150m freestyle, 4miles easy (10:04 avg), strengthening
    Went to the pool to get the swim done before the 6nations match, 16x50m, 4x75m, then a final 50m which should have been 100m but I was flailing a bit at this point and wanting to get back home to the match so left it.
    Run was done later that day in bitter cold wind.

    The bum-pinch from my disc, and the referring into leg, had improved a good bit this week. But about half-way through my swim I started feeling the pinch as I moved, something I used to notice when I had the serious flare-up two years back. I finished the swim anyway (first time in a month and I was glad to be getting some cross-training done at last), but I noticed the sciatica back in my shin later in the day. Things were better this morning and felt nothing on today's 9 miles, so I think this confirms swimming is one of the biggest aggravators for the disc. Will wait till the symptoms are totally quiet before I return to the pool, will probably only be a week or two to wait.

    Sunday: 9miles LSR @10:32 avg pace
    Snow had fallen but it wasn't deep and the paths were mostly clear from snow or slush. Did this as two loops round Holyrood park with a bit extra added on, some grass/trail/snow and rest hard surfaces. Wind was bitter. Was tough on the uphills with headwind, and I did a few 10sec stops at the really hard places. Also took a tumble on the slippy muck/snow half way through and landed on the hip of the bad-disc ... didn't hurt and also had no sciatica throughout the run, so a little fall is no bother :). Character-building I think is what you call these runs, glad it's done!

    weekly total: 25.7miles as 4 runs (9mile LSR), 1 strength, 1swim (1150m freestyle)

    Going to plan to do the parkrun next weekend so I'll be aiming for 23miles including time-trial unless the forecast changes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    19th-25th March: Parkrun done! By comparison with this time last year when training paces but I ran faster, I hoped I would come in under 25min and I didn't. But never mind, all the more to be shaved off ...

    Monday: nothing
    As planned.

    Tuesday: 5.1 miles w 1mile fartlek (8:26), strengthening
    Flat coastal loop with 3rd mile done as fartlek and the other miles easy. Worked hard in the fartlek mile and got 8:26 avg pace, then the 2miles were a bit heavy-legged.
    Strengthening was done.

    Wednesday: nothing
    Too lazy for *any*thing.

    Thursday: 6.2 easy miles at 10:08 avg pace
    Easy run done on the grass and trails of the meadows, deliberately easy as was planning the parkrun.

    Friday: nothing
    Except a pub trip after work (badly needed in these stressful times). No major consumption, just a few extra carbs for the morning's race.

    Saturday: 2x6miles cycle, parkrun in 25:28, 3miles easy (10:21)
    Managed to push myself out of the bed in just enough time for parkrun but on the cycle over I discovered one of the cycle paths was closed off and I had to take a deviation. Don't know this patch of town well and there was 5-10 mins of cautious turns and queries before I came back onto to my known route; was then very aware that time was tight, and ended up pushing "hard" to get there on time. Was cycling down the promenade towards the pack of runners and I could hear the announcements starting, had to park the bike so stuck it behind a park bench, didn't wait for the one closest to the runners as I was worried about getting mown over. Locked the bike quick, threw off my jacket and tied my scrunchie, then I started running towards the pack, very wobbly slow legs from the bike.... I didn't quite make it as the whistle went when I was still about 20-25m from the line, so ran towards the frontrunners and then turned round when I was about to bump into them :o, then ran my race. I am guessing I lost a few metres off the 5k as they're faster so we won't have met midway, but I'll have lost time turning round as well, anyway not going to lose any sleep over a few metres.
    Only started my Garmin after turning and started working as well as my legs could, and with a consistent effort got the first mile in as 8:00 on the watch. The sun was beating down and I had to open my jacket to cool myself down. 2nd good mile, working hard, to get it just below 8mins.... then at the start of mile 3 things were more difficult. I think I backed off a bit in the first half of mile 3 when I knew I wouldn't get sub-25 but to be honest I probably would have been in danger of walking otherwise and managed to pick it up a bit in the second half for 8:14 on the watch, then a slightly quicker .12. Did feel a bit sick after stopping, so I probably worked hard enough. Official time was a bit slower than my watch at 25:28.
    Had been planning to get in 3 other miles after (well really it was to be 1mile w/u, 2 c/d) but was in no mood afterwards, and did it later that evening from the flat.

    Sunday: 6.2miles not-that-easy @10:23 avg pace
    Still feeling tired so took the easy option of a flat Coastal loop and a neighbourhood loop to add distance. Not that easy in fact.

    weekly total: 23.6miles as 4runs, short cycle, 1-2 strengthenings

    Things have been going fairly well over past weeks and I'd been thinking of changing my mind and secretly registering for the Seven hills race despite initial wise and sensible pronouncements. But the parkrun took more effort/recovery than expected so I'm fully behind the sensible build again. Would be a lovely thing to succeed with a few months of 25+mile weeks while avoiding injury. I probably shouldn't type that ...

    Next week is a cutback on the running, but there should a few mountains in there instead :).


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Fingers crossed, touch wood and all that ....... things are looking good. Looking forward to your update on the mountains :)

    p.s. I'm heading to Glasgow at the end of April to do the Highland Fling along the Highland Way from Tyndrum down to Glasgow, have you done any of it before?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Neady83 wrote: »
    p.s. I'm heading to Glasgow at the end of April to do the Highland Fling along the Highland Way from Tyndrum down to Glasgow, have you done any of it before?

    Oh, lucky you! Have yet to even walk the WHW but I sometimes see the Highland Fling on people's facebooks.

    Do you need any crew support? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Oh, lucky you! Have yet to even walk the WHW but I sometimes see the Highland Fling on people's facebooks.

    Do you need any crew support? :)

    I'd promise to take some pictures for you but I hardly ever take the phone out of my bag but you never know this time :)

    I don't think I need a crew for this one as there are very few access points to the trail and the FAQs point to the roads being quite congested in past years because of spectators & crews. Thank you though. There will be drop bag along the way so that should do me I think.

    Very much looking forward to seeing a new part of Scotland as I've only ever ben further North.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Neady83 wrote: »
    I'd promise to take some pictures for you but I hardly ever take the phone out of my bag but you never know this time :)

    I don't think I need a crew for this one as there are very few access points to the trail and the FAQs point to the roads being quite congested in past years because of spectators & crews. Thank you though. There will be drop bag along the way so that should do me I think.

    Very much looking forward to seeing a new part of Scotland as I've only ever ben further North.

    Well, I think don't worry about the photos as I plan to walk this in summer anyway (or maybe a walk/run combination). It won't be as spectacular as the highlands but if you get decent weather would be a very nice route to run.

    Hope the training is going well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Ok, here we go with another update. It's not quite what I'd like to be writing but not a disaster either....

    26th-1st Oct:
    Plan was to cutback the running to about 18miles total, plus a lot of hillwalking over the Easter weekend. Was aiming for 7, 4, 4, 3 miles of running and hoping to frontload it to have two runs done before travelling on Thursday.

    Monday: nothing as planned
    Still having that feeling of the chest having worked after Saturday's parkrun (no not a heart attack or anything ...). It's so long since I raced *anything*.

    Tuesday: 6.6miles @10:36 avg
    Plan had been a hilly 7miles, but the legs were still stiff from Saturday, so I just did a loop of Holyrood and some extra miles and took it easy.

    Wednesday: nothing
    Had planned 4miles for today but busy trying to finish work and pack and pickup winter hiking gear, no time to run.

    Thursday: 9.5miles low-level walking, 4.5miles hillwalk(750m)
    Left Edinburgh at the horrific hour of 8am (three bags with me, and water bottles jumping out from the backback side pockets as I scurried to catch my lift) and drove North. Stopped at Dalrigh near Tyndrum (Neady! your destination) and parked the car and did a flat walk on tracks to the bottom of Ben Lui and back again to the car. There was never a plan to climb the mountain, we were headed to lunch.
    We arrived in Ballachulish at 3:30, way earlier than most of the group. One of the others suggested to hike up Pap of Glencoe before dinner and since there was plenty of time and a bit of sunshine it seemed silly not to do it. I was with two fit people and about halfway up I was struggling to continue on a steepish section and let them go ahead. Everything improved after I stopped trying to chase and I made it up to the top of the mountain just a few minutes behind them for some spectacular views. We came down the hill quite fast and the toes got a bit of abuse from the winter boots - bit annoyed about that as there were only patches of snow high-up and I shouldn't have bothered wearing them. Despite my tough bit going up we beat walkhighlands by quite a bit.
    https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/fortwilliam/papofglencoe.shtml

    Friday: undulating 10miles walking
    Toes were sore from last night's hill, left big toenail showing the sign of abuse. Went for a low-level walk instead of a climb, this one:
    https://www.walkingbritain.co.uk/walk-3506-description
    Bits of up-and-downs and rough patches, but no climb.

    Saturday: undulating 12miles walking, 6.4 miles run@10:15
    Had hopes of using the crampons and ice-axe today but all the higher walks being planned were "interesting" rather than simple munros. Have done the winter skills training but it was two years ago and hardly any practice since, so not confident. Gave the toes an extra rest day with a lower walk, this one (with a wee detour at the start):
    https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/fortwilliam/blackwater.shtml
    When we came back I wasn't a bit tired so I went out and did some running miles on the road :).

    Sunday: 4miles hillwalk (650m)
    Short walk for Easter Sunday doing Beinn A Chrulaiste, an easy Corbett with great views of the surrounding mountains. Gorgeous sunny weather and the views did not disappoint (see photo below, best one of my weekend). There was dry snow for the 100m or so before the summit and we slid down it on the way back down. Towards the front of the group on this walk, running does have its benefits ...

    weekly total: 13miles, 40miles hillwalking
    With the new chilled relaxed approach to running I was ok leaving the run-mileage at 13, no inclination to make up the few miles. Came back to Edinburgh on the Monday and resisted signing up for the Seven Hills!
    That's more or less it for "winter walking" possibilities (not a single one taken up) for the year I think, but I'll plan to do the training again next autumn and actually get some proper experience over next winter.


    2nd-8th April:
    Plan was to cover 26miles as (5, 3, 5 tempo, 4 w strides, 9 hilly), and a bit of cross-training on top of that. Reality was that I had to back off the running a bit because of sore foot/ankle, and no real LSR was done ...

    Monday: nothing as planned

    Tuesday: 4miles easy @10:01 avg
    On the tarmac of the meadows as the the trails were like a swamp. Wet and not so enjoyable. Bits of tendony stuff at the join of the foot and the shin of the right leg (had previously noticed this the week before the hillwalking I think, but worse today)

    Wednesday: nothing
    Not sure why today's run was skipped, no note made, but possibly the foot stuff. Or possibly laziness.

    Thursday: 5.1miles @9:58 avg pace
    No tempo because the foot/ankle was still upset, just did an easy run on my coastal loop. It took a half mile or so to ease it things out this evening, bit worse than when it started.

    Friday: nothing as planned

    Saturday: 8miles @10:05 avg
    Aware of mileage deficit, so planned a longer run today, a mildly hilly route with two laps of Holyrood. Had the ankly feel from the right foot at the start, then it improved, returned a couple of miles into the run, then eased off and behaved the rest of the way. Hmmmmm ....

    Sunday: 6miles @10:29avg
    Had been planning yesterday's run a second time but the ankle was a bit weak/wobbly from a couple of miles in so I cut the run short and did a playing field lap instead of a second Holyrood loop. Would have been better going straight home I agree.
    Was coming down a grassy descent avoiding some wet spots and I realised that likely upset to the leg had been the hillwalking with some sideways ups and downs, on top of the niggle that was already there .... went looking for the miraculous Gary Crowley do-it-yourself site this evening and worked my way through the trigger release and stretches for ankle pain. Things were very sore at the higher trigger for peroneals, but also sore at the lower trigger point... and a bit of posterior tibialis upset too.

    weekly total: 23.2miles


    9th-15th April:
    Let's not bother with what the plan said for this week. Was feeling a bit of "ankly-ness" even walking early this week, so focus changed to sorting out the foot/ankle. Stretching and trigger-point release my new goals.

    Monday-Wednesday: nothing
    Was doing a bit of trigger-point release on the peroneals (not so much I'd damage them :rolleyes:), some foot-rolling for the posterior tibialis, and some calf stretches. Ankle sometimes niggly while walking, so not trying running yet. Busy days at work so no cross-training either.

    Thursday: 1mile test
    Came back to Dublin this evening and foot/ankle better so decided to try a short run. Ankle in particular was giving trouble early on so cut it short after a mile and walked back to base. More trigger-point stuff that evening, and found some tight spots I hadn't worked before. One was the anterior tibialis and that would explain the tightness between shin and foot which was the earliest sign. Though to be honest it's more a question of which tendon *isn't* upset in this instance :rolleyes:.

    Friday-Saturday: nothing
    The calf stretches and anterior stretches and trigger-point stuff.

    Sunday: 5.2miles easy (10:32)
    Poor Callum Hawkins.
    Some cautious Dublin miles. Foot/ankle discomfort throughout mile 1 but not as bad as Thursday, things started to ease out in mile 2. Took the turn back to Terenure/HX around mile 2 to bring things in at 3.5miles but the ankle and foot continued to improve as I ran and I ended on adding a couple of loops near the house. Was still feeling decent at 5miles but I'm (maybe) not a total idiot so I stopped.

    weekly total: 6.2miles
    Didn't have as much trouble resisting running as usual, goal of 2018 is "keeping the show on the road" so if I have to rest more I will. Didn't have any trouble skipping the cross-training either surprise surprise, but I will do some over the coming week.
    Really seeing the benefit of being signed-up for nothing in terms of niggle management. Will do another parkrun whenever this has been settled for a couple of weeks.


    View from Beinn a Chrulaiste including Buachaille Etive Mor:448394.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Incredible photo !!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Incredible photo !!!

    All the better to divert from other issues, my dear :pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    All the better to divert from other issues, my dear :pac:

    True. But it sounds like you're being sensible (resisting the temptation to sign up for the Seven Hills can't have been easy) and adhering to the 2018 goal !


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    Oh wow, that view and I bet the photo doesn't even do it justice - it's breathtaking, I love it.

    You're doing really well, keep this show on the road because we want to see more pictures like this :) Tyndrum, eeekkkkk it's getting close.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Just coming to the end of 8weeks of on-and-off running to see off the tendon problems (and a bit of bone stress), seems to be settled now so will add in an entry. Have not as lost that much fitness as I might have as there has been sporadic cross-training. Overall a "good experience" as caught the bone stress very early and didn't lose too much time as a result.

    16th-22nd April: 25miles as 4runs (LSR 8.5), 1 cycle (30miles)
    The lighter week had given the ankle and foot a rest so was able to do some proper running this week. Still spent a fair bit of time doing trigger-point release on the peroneals and various other muscles and tendons as things still not right.

    23rd-29th April: 0 miles, 1 cycle (30miles)
    Decided to come off the ankle for a few days and then for the whole week. Just one cycle :(. Let one of my 2018 goals fall by the wayside when I picked up the phone and made a physio appointment.

    30th-6th May: 0 miles, 1 aquajog, 2hikes (16.5miles, 1500m ascent)
    Meeting with physio, she did all the various tests on foot and ankle and gave some band-strengthening exercises. No need for a follow-up unless things worsen. She thought it was just tendons, not bone stuff, but I still had a lurking feeling as it's very easy to miss bone trouble in the early stages (and also I am sure it was this very physio who missed my metatarsal SF 3 years ago ... though admittedly she only saw it very early in the process). I had friends coming for the weekend to climb Ben Nevis and was going to be doing that - they had booked the trip at Christmas and I couldn't bail on the main purpose of the visit, even if I'd lose a few weeks of training. Got permission for that if I stopped running for whole week... then play it by ear the following week. 6miles low-level hike on the Saturday brought just a tiny bit of sensitivity, but did the 10miles up-and-down Ben Nevis on Sunday and there was not a peep out of the ankle or foot :) ... or the day afterwards.

    7th-13th May: 22.5miles (LSR 7), 1hike (8miles), 1 cycle(33miles)
    A good week. Was emboldened by the great behaviour of the ankle on the hillwalking weekend, and brought the mileage up over 20miles. Ankle still not perfect though.

    14th-20th May: 14.6miles (LSR 8.5), 1 hike (8miles, 1000m ascent)
    Was checking the leg after my LSR and noticed a bit of bony tenderness on the fibula about 2-3in above the ankle knobble. Had kind-of known in my gut it must be said. All very familiar from the troubles with the other fibula last year. On the positive side, have 0 trouble walking, and am only getting the soreness by tapping on the bone ... so it's very early on the stress reaction timeline.
    Apart from the running, did some tour guide duties taking a friend-of-a-friend (very slowly!) up Ben Lomond. Hillwalking hasn't seemed to upset the ankle at all during all of this ...

    21st-27th May: 10.5miles (LSR 7), 1 cycle (50miles), 1 swim (1100m freestyle)
    Backing off with the running. An extra-long cycle - we cycled 36miles to Dunbar and then found out that the Sunday trains from Dunbar don't allow bikes. So the leisurely cycle out was followed by a frantic 13miles to North Berwick to catch a train from there (making it with 2mins to spare).

    28th-3rd June: 9.2miles
    A lazy week of no cross-training. Two short runs and a lot of time spent tapping the fibula above the ankle :pac:. I did walk 12miles on the Saturday too, not hillwalking, just round town...

    4th-10th June: 15.5miles (LSR 6), 1aquajog (60mins), 1 swim (1200m freestyle), 1spin (60min)
    A good week running every second day, and by the end of it, getting virtually no response from tapping the fibula :) even after the 6 miles. Hurray! Back in Dublin for a few days, and did swim/spin in Swan leisure. Also a light bit of spectating at the Wicklow Way race where Neady was 3rd female.

    Will continue the every second day running next week, but feeling very optimistic now. Hope to get in a decent cycle too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    I really enjoy reading about your adventures, especially the hillwalking :) You're incredibly patient and intuitive and doing a really good job at rehabbing, an example to us all.

    p.s. thanks so much for coming out to cheer on Saturday, I really appreciated seeing you and it was lovely to put a name to the face. Sorry for not hanging around too long in the CPs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Neady83 wrote: »
    I really enjoy reading about your adventures, especially the hillwalking :) You're incredibly patient and intuitive and doing a really good job at rehabbing, an example to us all.

    p.s. thanks so much for coming out to cheer on Saturday, I really appreciated seeing you and it was lovely to put a name to the face. Sorry for not hanging around too long in the CPs.

    That is very kind of you to call those adventures :pac:, not quite what I would hope for but doing what I can for now.

    It's your job to *not* hang round at CPs! Nice seeing you and Well Done.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Have had a cold since the start of the week and only did 3runs instead of 4 as a consequence. But not too bad at week at all in fact, two longish runs, and a long hike yesterday which significantly contributed to "time on feet" :pac:

    Monday: 5.5 miles @10:17 avg pace
    Late night run. Had travelled back to Edinburgh with a cold, not yet in the chest, and decided I'd do the run while I could.

    Tuesday, Wednesday: nothing
    Watching the cold ...

    Thursday: 7.5miles @10:32 avg pace
    Was a bit better today (though cold not fully gone), so did the run after work. Knew I had a big hike at the weekend, so was aiming to get the "long" run out of the way now, or so I thought. First Hillyish run in ages and fibula behaved fine.

    Friday: nothing

    Saturday: 7.85miles @10:00+ pace
    Hike had got pushed to Sunday because of the weather, so I was running today. Went out in the evening after weather was clearing, planning to do something between 5 and 8.5 miles, thinking of the lost miles. Mad stuff with the Garmin, but the run was done, and no trouble except I noticed a bit of fibula sensitivity that evening.

    Sunday: 18mile hike (900m ascent over 4 small hills)
    Needed to recce the "Dun Rig horseshoe" as I will lead a group on this route next weekend, so headed out with a friend in the morning to take the bus to Peebles. The route is 15miles anyway, but with the extra distance to bus stop, 17miles, and then a couple of tos-and-fros fixing routing errors on top of that. Nice scenery but all "rolling hills" and the various hills looking a bit similar which did not help. Also a stiff breeze when we were higher up. With all the route-finding and chatting it took us 8.5hours :eek: which was not expected (and a ridiculous early start this morning to finish bit of work I was too tired to do last night). Fibula fine when I got home, somehow the hillwalking is not challenging it at all, just the running. Cold is back a bit though ...
    https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/borders/dun-rig.shtml
    Excellent time-on-feet I suppose, which cannot harm with the base building. And will be doing it again next weekend.


    weekly total: 20.5miles as 3runs, 1 hike (18miles, 900m)

    Next week, more of the same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Huzzah!


    18 miles! Fair play. I definitely think hiking helps base building.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Huzzah! wrote: »
    18 miles! Fair play. I definitely think hiking helps base building.

    That's what I like to hear :)

    To be honest it felt like it would have been easier to run it, but that's probably wishful thinking.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Not quite a copy of the previous week but close enough! The cold is not 100% gone but better than a week ago, so fingers crossed I will shift the dregs of it this week.

    Monday: 5.15miles @10:35 avg pace
    Knackered after the Sunday hike and an 6:30am wake-up to finish some work before start-of-day, did this run on a flattish coastal loop in the evening. Quads very tight, and the legs were heavy after the efforts of the weekend. But good to have it done and no fibula issues.

    Tuesday: nothing as planned

    Wednesday: 8.5miles @10:03 avg
    Did this after work on the meadows trails. It was going to just be 6 miles but the sun came out after a few miles so I decided I'd turn it into this weeks long run and keep it well away from Saturday's hike. The legs were feeling quite light this evening.

    Thursday: nothing
    Had planned I might run today, but was coughing extra today and decided to leave it.

    Friday: 4.8miles @10:20 avg
    A shorter one than yesterday's planned 6+ because of the hike tomorrow, again on flat trails. Was coughing a fair bit along the way but felt better afterwards.

    Saturday: 17mile hike (900m ascent over 4 small hills)
    Exact same hike as last week, except done with 4 others (me leading) and since I knew the route properly this time, there was no backtracking. Bit faster than last Sunday. Bit knackered afterwards again :rolleyes:.

    Sunday: 6.6miles @10:49 avg pace
    Managed to avoid the heat by going out for an early dinner, and leaving the run till after at 9pm. Flattish coastal loop with extra distance added and there was plenty of daylight around for the whole run. The legs were feeling heavy after yesterday's efforts and and the pace was correspondingly slow.

    weekly total: 25.1miles as 4runs, 1 hike (17miles, 900m)


    Today a day off running, hurray! (in the sunshine :) ), and similar week of running ahead, plus one hike.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    The base building continues ...

    Monday: nothing as planned

    Tuesday: 5.5miles with 5 100m strides in final mile
    Well, 4 strides at least. Did the last one on a hill and Garmin track showed no evidence of any pace at that stage :pac:. Run was mostly on trail.

    Wednesday: 9.5miles @10:24 avg pace
    Hike planned for Friday so doing the long run early. About half trails/grass and half hard surfaces, done in lunchtime sunshine. A bit hilly but nothing major, pace was comfortable.

    Thursday: 3.2miles @10:38 avg pace
    Three neighborhood laps at easy pace without the Garmin.

    Friday: cross-training! 8mile hike with 900m+ ascent
    A friend from the US was in Edinburgh and keen to try a munro so I took a half-day and we headed west to do Ben Lomond. Gorgeous weather so a bit too hot on the ascent but the views were spectacular this evening. A much steeper climb than the route of past two weeks, but also much shorter, wasn't tired after this hike which was a novelty after the long-distance of previous weeks.

    Saturday: 3.8 miles @10:20 avg pace
    Had been at a horrible stressful event all day so couldn't run, eventually got myself out for a Cinderella run round the neighbourhood loop.

    Sunday: 15m w/u, 10m fartlek, 10m easy, 10m fartlek, 15m c/d (overall 6.2miles @9:42 avg)
    Current plan of running is "miles in the legs" but am planning a parkrun trial in two weeks so want to add a tiny bit of speed this week and next. Did this one on the meadows trails in evening sunshine, though most of the 2nd fartlek was on tarmac. Was feeling quite reluctant going out, all recent running has been easy-pace and it feels very nice, was thinking I might bail on this one and turn it into yet another easy run but when it came to it I was able to do it and not as horrible as I thought it might be. Was hitting the lap button on the Garmin for each section and both fartlek sections came in very close to 8:30 pace. Was a lovely run in the sunshine except for pollen issues and also smoke from the various barbecues in the park.

    weekly total: 28.2miles as 5runs, 1 hike (8miles, 900m+)

    Most of the runs done in sunshine, except the Cinderella one obviously, but it's not quite as hot here as in Ireland and have mostly been running in about 20C which is ok.

    Running plans will be more or less the same next week. Am looking forward to the weekend forecast and thinking there may be hiking after all (had planned to skip next week) ... either way I'll keep the long run midweek for a number of weeks ahead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    "miles in the legs" again .... base building.

    Monday: 3.8miles @10:34 avg pace
    The plan to was get my Long Run in midweek to keep it away from the effort of the weekend's hike, so was moving all my running early. Did this on a local tarmac route in early evening and got attacked by a Seagull sweeping down about a km from home, felt it brush my head as it dived. Would have written it off as an accident but it turned round on its ascent and came back for another dive, ahem, definitely deliberate. Have been told it likely had a youngster on the ground that it was worried about, so I will not carry a grudge.

    Tuesday: 5.3miles easy (10:16 pace)
    Done on the meadows in the evening sunshine, mostly trail. Went fine but later that evening I noticed a bit of ankle wobbly-ness a few times and when I went tapping the fibula it was a bit sensitive again. It had improved a couple hours later but decided to change my plans for the week anyway, and take tomorrow off. Looking up details over past weeks saw that I had run nearly 8 days in a row ("nearly" because one of those was a hike), had not realised that and wouldn't have aimed for that ...

    Wednesday: nothing
    No long run. Did the trick in resting the fibula and there's been no sensitivity since (even though it's had quite a bit of action since).

    Thursday: 10.8miles @10:28 avg pace
    Ankle was grand so set off in the evening to do two loops of Holyrood Park plus one Innocent-path loop, had a lovely run on a mixture of grass/trail (4miles) and the rest tarmac. Bit hilly. Met a pheasant along the side of the trail just before the 2mile point, he was calm and unruffled, picking his way alongside tall grass. Around 6miles I was coming out of the Park and heading down towards Duddingston and there was a quiet young bunny rabbit eating calmly on the grass verge beside the path, he didn't move an inch and could easily have snapped him if I'd had my phone. Another 4 bouncy rabbits in a wooded copse before coming back into the park.
    Only negative for the run was suffering from pollen issues in the greener patches, especially near those tall weeds with smelly cream flowers ("Cows parsley" I think) ... also the stretch up the Innocent path is massively verdant right now with new weed growth, blackberry bushes, trees bursting with leaves crossing overhead, like a green tunnel ... *yeuuch*. I tried to breathe through my nose for some of these tricky patches and it seemed to help.
    Ankle was ok after fortunately :)

    Friday: 4.2miles @10:45 avg pace
    Mostly grass/trail. Was doing this after work and even though it was evening it was still warm, around 21C, and I was slow.

    Saturday: cross-training: 9mile hike with 1150m+ ascent, lake "swim"
    Went up to the Loch Earn area with a group to climb Ben Vorlich and Stuc A'Chroin, two munros with overall ascent of 1150m. Tough enough hike with hot sunshine for the first 1/2 of ascent, also 200m or so of scrambling to get to the 2nd summit, and some tricky downhill sections on the way back. We went into the lake for 15-20 mins to loosen out our legs before heading back to Edinburgh. Enjoyable day but tiring, and I slept a bit in the car on the way home.
    As usual, as far as I can tell, the hiking does not seem to be stressing the fibula or anything else, the only effect I'm noticing is stiffness in the couple days after. It is definitely great "time on feet" training.

    Sunday: 5.15miles not-so-easy (10:04 avg pace)
    Had been aiming to do a little bit of fartlek on this, but was a bit tired after yesterday's hike, so decided to drop the bit of speed. Went out early afternoon when it was 24C, and it was *hot*, was keeping an eye on the watch for the first couple of miles and then decided to ignore, but not take it too easy. Result of that is that it came in faster than any of the other runs this week and with the heat, it was probably "steady" effort. Legs didn't seem as heavy as they'd usually be the day after a hike which is also good.
    Came past the same stretch of Monday's incident towards the end of this run, fortunately no aggro today.

    weekly total: 29.3miles as 5runs, 1 hike (9miles, 1150m+)


    Ok, next week it will *not* be "more of the same". Am taking a cutback week, aim is 21miles (5,5,5,6) and Saturday's run will incorporate a parkrun trial. The forecast for the weekend is looking very nice (*stamps foot*), but if I do a hike I'll try to make sure it's an easier one.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    A doss week ...

    Monday: nothing as planned

    Tuesday: 5.05miles with 3@MP (9:37, 9:26, 9:20)
    Did this on the meadows in evening with w/u and c/d around 10:20-10:30. I stuck my parkrun time from March into the McMillan calculator and it gave 9:28 for MP so was aiming for that. Hard to gauge the effort as it's not a pace I recognise, so was keeping an eye on the watch ... managed to get it fairly close, with the 1st mile too slow, and 3rd one a bit fast. Had 5 hill sprints to do with this run but there was no good hill near this route, so postponed those to Thursday's run.

    Wednesday, Thursday: nothing
    Had a rest-day planned for Wednesday, then laziness took over and I was unable to budge from my sofa on Thursday. I didn't even have anything else on ... :o

    Friday: 5.35miles very easy (10:52 avg pace), including 5 hill sprints
    Did this as a lunchtime run round Holyrood Park but took the pace very easy as I was doing the parkrun in the morning. Stopped at a sharp hill at 3.5 miles and did 5 hill sprints with decent effort and questionable technique.

    Saturday: parkrun in 25:48 (8:07, 8:05, 8:33), 2miles easy, 21miles over 3bike rides
    The last time I did a parkrun was back in March and it came in at 25:28. Since then I had 7-8 weeks of mixed mileage watching the fibula, and recently another 4-5 consistent weeks of mileage. There had also been a fair bit of cross-training so despite the lack of any speed training I was "hopexpecting"(TM) this would come in under 25mins. Was not to be ... On the race day itself it was sunny and warm even standing in the pack as they they made the announcements, was 20C already at 9:30am ... went out the aim of getting mile 1 a bit below 8mins but could feel I was at 5k effort before that, did my best and it came in at 8:07. Then 2nd mile at 8:05 and the 3rd mile is where things got hard - I was having a light stitch in my side for the first half of this mile which is very rare for me, and apart from that the effort was too much, in fact I pulled up after 2.5 miles and walked 4 steps before getting going again :o. Anyway mile 3 ended up at 8:33, the "bit" at 8:05, and a disappointing result with no chance to improve my easy/steady/MP paces. Not even sure the warm weather was the problem to be honest, might just be lost fitness. Wish I was back in the 23:xx zone.
    Did 2miles at easy pace to cool-down, one of those should have been warm-up but I didn't arrive in time for that.
    Three bike rides today - 6miles to parkrun, then 7 miles getting lost and taking a scenic route from the parkrun site to go fruit-picking (poor hedgehog dead on the road on this one). Of course was not able to transport all my berries on the bike so had to come back later that evening and do 8miles cycling the bike home.

    Sunday: 5.6miles easy (10:56 avg pace)
    Maybe slightly quicker than that as the Garmin did something weird near the start, but close enough, a true easy pace. Evening run and I was not really in the mood for this, but I kicked myself out. Noticed a mild stitch in the third mile again, so clearly yesterday's pace was not the problem then!

    weekly total: 21.1miles as 4runs, 21miles cycling


    Will use the MylesS/Testosterscone rules to estimate training paces:

    pace | min-per-mile
    5k: | 8:13
    Easy: | 10:43-11:13
    Steady: | 9:28-9:58
    MP: | 8:58-9:28
    HMP: | 8:38-8:53
    10k: | 8:28- 8:43


    Though also noticing that McMillan calculator gives MP as 9:36 (for a marathon of 4:11:24) ... so need to keep on eye on both.
    Have definitely been doing my easy runs a bit too fast.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    plans going forward ...

    Love making plans, this one has been polished and re-considered various times, itching to put it down in .txt even though likely it's an immediate jinx. Anyway ... I was foolish enough to invest in a DCM place, bought in May for E80 as the tickets were selling out and when I thought the fibula niggle would sort itself out quicker than it did.

    The main priority for now is (careful) base building, so not too different from novice marathon training. I am going to train alongside the DCM group for the time being, and see how it goes, but right now I am expecting I'll pull back mileage before the end of the training, and skip the race itself. Have drawn up a plan which is essentially the Boards plan except that I'll increase the LSR more gradually, and with the short runs a bit longer ... I don't put on my runners for less than 4-5 miles. I also have a couple of cutback weeks in there for caution.

    I am aiming to do a HM early in September, possibly the RosGoRun on 9th, and will use that as a deadline to decide whether to finish the marathon training. Apart from that I might do a parkrun in 5 weeks time on my next cutback week, but it'll depend on overall picture, including cross-training load. Planning to do one cross-training session each week, and for the next month+ some of those will be hillwalking, so I am keeping the LSR midweek until I do the half-marathon.
    Have been sleeping quite a bit extra lately, will need to be going to bed at 9pm on Wednesdays!

    week | Mon | Tues | Wed | Thur | Fri | Sat | Sun | total
    16-22 Jul |-|5|12 LSR|4|-|5|6 w 4MP| 32
    23-29 Jul |-|5|13 LSR|4|-|5|6 w 4MP| 33
    30-5 Aug |-|5|14 LSR|4|-|7 w 5MP|5| 35
    6-12 Aug |-|5|16 LSR|4|-|7 w 5MP|5| 37
    13-19 Aug |-|5|-|6|-|5 w parkrun|6| 22(CB)
    20-26 Aug |-|5|16 LSR|4|-|5|8 w 6MP| 38
    27-2 Sep |-|5|17 LSR|5|-|5|8 w 6MP| 40
    3-9 Sep |-|5|5|-|4|-|HM + 2miles| 29
    10-16 Sep|-|5|8 w 6MP|5|-|4|19 LSR| 41
    17-23 Sep |-|4|-|7 w 5MP|-|5|10 LSR| 26(CB)
    24-30 Sep|-|5|9 w 7MP|4|-|4|20 LSR| 42
    1-7 Oct|-|5|9 w 7MP|4|-|4|20 LSR| 43
    8-14 Oct|-|4|6 w 4MP|4|-|4|16 LSR| 34
    15-21 Oct|-|4|5 w 3MP|4|-|3|9 LSR| 25
    22-28Oct|-|5|-|5 w 3MP|-|3|DCM| 39



    Will see how it goes, but will not be reluctant to pass-up on DCM training if I get niggles, or the load feels too much. Am shocked how slow I am lately, so if the pace doesn't improve a bit, I'll be wanting an excuse to bail anyhow :o.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Huzzah!



    Friday: 5.35miles very easy (10:52 avg pace), including 5 hill sprints
    Did this as a lunchtime run round Holyrood Park but took the pace very easy as I was doing the parkrun in the morning. Stopped at a sharp hill at 3.5 miles and did 5 hill sprints with decent effort and questionable technique.

    This done the day before a 5k would scupper any PB attempt for me, personally, so I'd imagine your hopexpectations weren't too far off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Huzzah! wrote: »
    This done the day before a 5k would scupper any PB attempt for me, personally, so I'd imagine your hopexpectations weren't too far off.

    Really? That's interesting, it was only 5 short hill sprints, I wouldn't have thought it'd make any difference, esp as the run itself was quite easy. Was not a PB attempt i was going for, more a "post years of injury" PB I guess. I'm used to thinking of sub-25 as being "in all right shape".

    Maybe I sabotaged myself with my lazy Thursday :(.


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