Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Guy:Incognito

Augeo wrote: »

Fans ranting sack the manager after a poor third of a season is appalling to see imo, .

Its been a full CL season for us.

IrishSkyBoxer

We are absolutely pathetic. One of the worst teams to ever grace the champions league and our performances this season have been mid table fodder. Last season was an anomaly with the best player in the world destroying teams and dragging everyone else along by the bootstraps. Rodgers is an absolute spoofer. I'd love to see rafa back. He wouldn't tolerate this ineptitude and would pick up a few tasty pieces in the transfer market.

Agent Coulson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

No manager that anyone would really want is going to leave for Liverpool mid season. It would be quite remarkable for the club to sack a manager now unless they knew they had a top replacement. They won't be calling KD again! Maybe they could get Alex Inglethorpe to stand in

Gerrard player manager we all know you'd love that

Mr Alan

The Jones/Mignolet thing is ****ing bizarre.

NukaCola

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Another player added to the pissed off with the manager list I think.

https://twitter.com/DTguardian/status/544158696889389056

Bad call after bad call.....

NoelJ

Mr Alan wrote: »

The Jones/Mignolet thing is ****ing bizarre.

People were asking for Mignolet to be dropped? Why is it so odd?

Augmerson

NoelJ wrote: »

People were asking for Mignolet to be dropped? Why is it so odd?

Nobody and I repeat nobody asked for Migs to be dropped for this match. Especially when Jones is so short on game time this season (1 match).

NukaCola

NoelJ wrote: »

People were asking for Mignolet to be dropped? Why is it so odd?

Jones is ****ing awful and 2 or 3 levels below him.

Harry Palmr

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Gerrard player manager we all know you'd love that

That would bury the club. Carra as his number two?

larrymiller

NukaCola wrote: »

Jones is ****ing awful and 2 or 3 levels below him.

Loi standard

Agent Coulson

So £50m in players from last summer now dropped add that to most of this summers £120m transfers can't get a game.

That is £170m worth of players Rodgers has dropped or doesn't want!

What a Fcuking joke!

Guy:Incognito

Demosthenese wrote: »

Goal 2
- Letting Ashley Young, one of the poorest excuses of a winger in the Premier League get the cross in.
- Whomever lost to RVP in the air for the flick.
- Linesman played a blinder.

Linesman excuse doesn't cut it for me tbh. Mata was sloppy is going offside but the reality is he didn't need too. He wasn't being marked. Moreno let walk by him and was ball watching. Mata could just as easily have stayed onside and still scored the goal.RVP getting a touch on the ball doesn't absolve the defence.

At the end of the day , the buck stops with the man in charge. No club is going to release the whole squad on a free at the end of a season and back the manager to buy a whole new one. Team does poorly for extended period , manager goes. He kept/bought the players.

Ulysses Gaze

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

I'd love to see rafa back. He wouldn't tolerate this ineptitude and would pick up a few tasty pieces in the transfer market.

And he'd fall out with half the players, slate the owners for not giving him enough money (Like he's done at Valencia, Inter and Napoli as well as Liverpool the first time), play turgid football and struggle to beat the mid-table teams.

No thanks.

There are better managers than Benitez we should try and get.

rob316

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So £50m in players from last summer now dropped add that to most of this summers £120m transfers can't get a game.

That is £170m worth of players Rodgers has dropped or doesn't want!

What a Fcuking joke!

Bar maybe can what has a single one of them done to justify starting consistently?

This summer we behaved like a small club we went searching for value. Be it in wages or future sell on fee. Man United did the opposite and added to an already decent but under performing squad.

Value doesn't get you to the top in today's game, value gets you midtable. The top players command the best wages and until we pay them we can forget about catching city, Chelsea, Arsenal and united.

Guy:Incognito

NoelJ wrote: »

People were asking for Mignolet to be dropped? Why is it so odd?

Theres a LC game coming up. I'd say everyone would have been happy to give Jones a go in that.

Royal Legend

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And he'd fall out with half the players, slate the owners for not giving him enough money (Like he's done at Valencia, Inter and Napoli as well as Liverpool the first time), play turgid football and struggle to beat the mid-table teams.

No thanks.

There are better managers than Benitez we should try and get.

First you are talking about Hicks and Gillette, you are clueless
Secondly, 4-1 at Old Trafford, 4-0 vs Madrid to name just a few,
Turgid football indeed :rolleyes:

klose

rob316 wrote: »

The problems at the club go much further than rodgers. Our net investment in the team is not sufficient and our failure to offer the wages needed will always see us shopping at a couple of levels below we need to be.

I don't trust Rodgers with signings anymore tbh.

mikeym

We havent beaten a decent team this year so far.

We struggle against the lower placed teams.

Rodgers had no faith in Ballotelli or Lambert by not starting them.

Our defence is a shambles.

Sterling couldnt cope with being up front hes a winger.

Things are not going to get better.

Rodgers has to go.

rob316

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Theres a LC game coming up. I'd say everyone would have been happy to give Jones a go in that.

And if he made a few mistakes today like he generally does rodgers would be crucified in here for persisting with him. You cant blame him for dropping mignolet he has to try to stop the rot through change.

OwaynOTT

Positives anyone?

Markovic is beginning to show that he can be a good player for us. He is fast with and without the ball and I love his directness.

We created many clear cut chances for the first time since Spurs.

The high pressing is beginning to come back.

I'm confident we will win during the week and well. I'd like to see these players lining up.
Mig
Manquillo Toure Sakho Enrique
Lucas Can
Markovic Coutinho Lallana
Sterling

shadowcomplex

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

We are absolutely pathetic. One of the worst teams to ever grace the champions league and our performances this season have been mid table fodder. Last season was an anomaly with the best player in the world destroying teams and dragging everyone else along by the bootstraps. Rodgers is an absolute spoofer. I'd love to see rafa back. He wouldn't tolerate this ineptitude and would pick up a few tasty pieces in the transfer market.

The best player in the World , LOL

Ulysses Gaze

Royal Legend wrote: »

First you are talking about Hicks and Gillette, you are clueless
Secondly, 4-1 at Old Trafford, 4-0 vs Madrid to name just a few,
Turgid football indeed :rolleyes:

And the owners at Valencia, Inter and even at Napoli, where he had spent a small fortune and finished below where Napoli had finished the season before he arrived...so he has form in that regard.

And a couple of one off results does not change the fact that bar one season we were out of the title race by October.

We can do better than Benitez

mikeym

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Positives anyone?

Markovic is beginning to show that he can be a good player for us. He is fast with and without the ball and I love his directness.

We created many clear cut chances for the first time since Spurs.

The high pressing is beginning to come back.

I'm confident we will win during the week and well. I'd like to see these players lining up.
Mig
Manquillo Toure Sakho Enrique
Lucas Can
Markovic Coutinho Lallana
Sterling

There was no positves.

Arsenal are going to beat us next Sunday.

rob316

klose wrote: »

I don't trust Rodgers with signings anymore tbh.

He hasn't signed half these players. Put it this way if the board said to him in the summer

"Brendan would you like to beef out the squad with 9 players or would you like 3 top international players?"

He would have picked option 2 and your fooling yourself if you think otherwise. He has said as much in the past too with reference to Tottenham......but wait he's a spoofer

ebbsy

Playing without a recognised striker for half the game ? Lambert would have converted a few of those chances.

Rodgers has not got a clue what is going on. Hopefully Arsenal will do us all a favour and deliver the fatal blow.

MD1990

Rafa wouldn't be the man. He has done poorly at Napoli & Inter. A very good tactitian & did a great job previously but not good enough in the transfer market. His defensive style doesn't work as well anymore either imo.

OwaynOTT

ebbsy wrote: »

Playing without a recognised striker for half the game ? Lambert would have converted a few of those chances.

Rodgers has not got a clue what is going on. Hopefully Arsenal will do us all a favour and deliver the fatal blow.

Lambert wouldn't have been getting those chances. He might have scored the header but that's it.

brevity

There is a lot to be said for having a manager that makes the team better than the sum of its parts. I don't think Rodgers is that manager. The players need to take responsibility but I don't think the know what to do really. Rodgers I feel could be overcomplicating his instructions.

I'd take Rafa back but only with a strong number two. Paco or Meulenstene maybe.

Gits_bone

Thought we deserved to win today. But what is Jones doing in goal. Obviously has no heart if he's happy to play no.2 for four years. He doesn't care. And he looks like Ryan Tubridy as well.

But put Reina in and Toure in defence. Get a Sturridge back and I think we will finish in 4th.

Gbear

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Are Aston Villa, Newcastle, Palace, Basel and West Ham just better than us too and we shouldn't expect anything better?

Rodgers has ongoing issues, specifically, his use of Lovren and Gerrard and his lack of use of some of the new signings and they've contributed to the season and the games you've mentioned.

However, they're not the root cause. You can make mistakes and have weaknesses as a manager. We weren't flawless last season but you're doing something right if you get 84 pts.
Plenty used to moan about some of Rafa's idiosyncrasies as well. Having flaws doesn't mean you need to get the sack.

The key problem is that we've failed to sign that 1 player - a proper understudy to Sturridge who can fulfil the same role in the squad. It's a tactical necessity.

My problem with the Rodgers out brigade is that it's a situation that I think could've happened with anyone at the helm, particularly given the setup FSG have implemented and our inability to attract the highest calibre of players.

We need a striker in January, regardless of who's in charge. If we get that right and then we find Rodgers' management of the squad is still holding us back then I'd advocate a change.

And if we don't get January right the whole way we do transfers has to be axed. If you can't address such a glaringly obvious weakness when you've this much time and it's so vital then you can't do your job.

In general, I think we need to solve the huge problem first. It's a bit like the 80/20 thing. You do the most straight-forward change first that'll make the biggest impact.

Anyway, I don't see what's to be gained by sacking Rodgers now. We're not going to overhaul the squad, probably at any stage, but certainly not in January. We 3rd favourites for 4th at the start of the season and whether Rodgers is sacked now, February or never, we're going to stay outsiders, even if the window goes well.

Agent Coulson

rob316 wrote: »

He hasn't signed half these players.

How do you know that for a fact?


He has stated as fact himself that he has the final say on who gets signed.

MrAlan posted linked to those yesterday.

pmy.murphy

rob316 wrote: »

Bar maybe can what has a single one of them done to justify starting consistently?

This summer we behaved like a small club we went searching for value. Be it in wages or future sell on fee. Man United did the opposite and added to an already decent but under performing squad.

Value doesn't get you to the top in today's game, value gets you midtable. The top players command the best wages and until we pay them we can forget about catching city, Chelsea, Arsenal and united.

Well said unless were going to do it right, I think its the time the owners re-assess their expectations if they insist on us continuing with this small club mentality in the transfer market. At the moment the type of player were targeting is that of a Team pushing for a finish in the top half or a Europa League place. Our expectations of the team are a stark contrast to how were behaving in the transfer market

their deluded if they think signing players like Lovren, Manquillo(2nd choice Atletico defender) and Lambert are going to do for Champions League football and making the next step

Agent Coulson

Rafa is not the man going forward to bring in as manager.

ebbsy

MD1990 wrote: »

Rafa wouldn't be the man. He has done poorly at Napoli & Inter. A very good tactitian & did a great job previously but not good enough in the transfer market. His defensive style doesn't work as well anymore either imo.

Plus he sold Keane. Not very clever.

Guy:Incognito

OwaynOTT wrote: »

We created many clear cut chances for the first time since Spurs.

The problem is doing it with 1 less midfielder and 1 more striker. Unless we can play with 12...............

Gits_bone

Robbie Keane would be a shrewd signing until Origi comes back.

pmy.murphy

Gits_bone wrote: »

Robbie Keane would be a shrewd signing until Origi comes back.

5 years ago?? Yes. Now??? Not a hope, hes well past it at this level unless your a team looking for a top half finish. Time to get real

Gits_bone

pmy.murphy wrote: »

5 years ago?? Yes. Now??? Not a hope, hes well past it at this level unless your a team looking for a top half finish. Time to get real

He's a finisher. Make the chances for him that Sterling had and he'd have put them away..

Harry Palmr

Gits_bone wrote: »

Robbie Keane would be a shrewd signing until Origi comes back.

MD1990

ebbsy wrote: »

Plus he sold Keane. Not very clever.

He didn't want Keane. But his treatment of him was disgraceful & don't forget he wanted to sell Alonso for Gareth Barry lol. He did a great job though but if I was looking for a new manager there transfer record would be my #1 prioroty. Rudi Garcia would be a very good manager imo.

Gits_bone

Harry Palmr wrote: »

What do you suggest?

We need short term solution because Studge and Origi and Balo will still be there next season...

MD1990

Gits_bone wrote: »

What do you suggest?

We need short term solution because Studge and Origi and Balo will still be there next season...

Wouldn't be too sure of that.

JohnDaniels

Augeo wrote: »

Fans ranting sack the manager after a poor third of a season is appalling to see imo, the chap gets no credit for a teams overperformance but the knives are out when they underperform.

This is such a simplistic pot shot. It seems to be constantly dragged up as well by you. The only Liverpool manager I haven't been behind till the end is Hodsgon and that includes Kenny. This isn't for some just throwing the toys of the pram. I have serious doubt's about him as a manager which he hasn't dispelled but only keeps compounding mistakes. That stat about the number of goal we have conceded per game is shocking.

Apart from setting a team up with huge firepower to get the best out of two of the worlds best players his tactical ability seems limited. I never go into games as an underdog team feeling like we can turn them over. His selection decisions have been very strange and he week in week out keeps faith with the same underperforming faces. His transfer record is very poor. If you really want I will give a much more detailed breakdown some other time as I'm heading out and don't really have the time. The fact though is almost every facet of his tenure at the moment is cause for complaint versus keeping faith based on last season. The knifes are out not because he's underperforming but the fact he looks completely lost with no ideas to turn things around.

Mr Alan

MD1990 wrote: »

Rafa wouldn't be the man. He has done poorly at Napoli & Inter. A very good tactitian & did a great job previously but not good enough in the transfer market. His defensive style doesn't work as well anymore either imo.

I'm against Rafa coming back as manager (I think!), but a couple of nonsense points above;

1) he is doing decent at Napoli
2) his record in the transfer market was very good at Liverpool. His record was pretty much 50/50 which is very good. And he was working under genuine financial restrictions & difficulties
3) Rafa's teams are capable of playing some sexy football

thelad95

Man U fan here. I'm beginning to wonder if one of the main reasons your playing like this is the massive confidence blow of losing the title the way ye did last season.

We had a similar loss at the end of 2011-12 but Fergie ensured we cantered to the title the following season by signing Kagawa and Van Persie and instilling confidence back in the team and making them believe again.

I just feel Rodgers is not big enough to do this and as a result all confidence has drained from the team. Sterling had two sitters today and hit two tamely hit shots at De Gea. That's syptomatic of a player with zero confidence unfortunately.

Gits_bone

MD1990 wrote: »

Wouldn't be too sure of that.

They aren't gonna take a loss on him at this stage..

And you'd only be looking around 8m for him tbh.

daithijjj

That 'awesome' feeling you get after you spend 215m and you end up having a Hodgson signing marshaling between the sticks over Christmas 4 years on.

Gonna have to treat myself to a nice bottle of Suntory Hibiki 17yr old to get through to January.

Harry Palmr

Gits_bone wrote: »

What do you suggest?

We need short term solution because Studge and Origi and Balo will still be there next season...

Dunno really as the money is unknown.

MD1990 wrote: »

Wouldn't be too sure of that.

Agree, doubt Ballotelli will see July at Liverpool

Gits_bone

daithijjj wrote: »

That 'awesome' feeling you get after you spend 215m and you end up having a Hodgson signing marshaling between the sticks over Christmas 4 years on.

Gonna have to treat myself to a nice bottle of Suntory Hibiki 17yr old to get through to January.

Mignolet must hope he gets sold. Embarassing getting dropped for Jones.

MD1990

Mr Alan wrote: »

I'm against Rafa coming back as manager (I think!), but a couple of nonsense points above;

1) he is doing decent at Napoli
2) his record in the transfer market was very good at Liverpool. His record was pretty much 50/50 which is very good. And he was working under genuine financial restrictions & difficulties
3) Rafa's teams are capable of playing some sexy football

Thats why he was near the sack after getting knocked by Bilbao in qualifying last August & is behind Sampdoria & Genoa this season. He signed Michu & David Lopez last summer both have done nothing & also overpaid for Albiol who has been a disater for them. He isn't doing a really bad job but Id say it would be below average don't forget 2 years ago they were the main challengers to Juventus.