Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

~Rebel~

JohnDaniels wrote: »

I didn't say it wasn't but the fact is you get far more chances to score in Holland. Lots of players like Kuyt for example scored goals for fun in the Dutch league but couldn't do the same in better leagues. Looking at the number of goals he scored is quite simplistic. Even though he scored all those goals his chance conversion was pretty bad at Ajax. Before he became prolific for Liverpool a huge number of stats websites did article on how he had never been a clinical finisher in his career despite the number of goal he scored in Holland.

It's true that his chance conversion wasn't actually amazing - which is incredible in and of itself. The other guys you mention, like Kuyt, or the likes of Afonso Alves finished their chances. It's almost a better indication of how much more dominant Suarez was than them by seeing the sheer number of chances he got himself - his chance conversion wasn't great and yet he still had an incredible goals to games ratio.

Suarez with Ajax simply dominated games single handedly, he was completely unbelieveable - physically and technically just on a completely different level to everyone else on the pitch.

JohnDaniels

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It's true that his chance conversion wasn't actually amazing - which is incredible in and of itself. The other guys you mention, like Kuyt, or the likes of Afonso Alves finished their chances. It's almost a better indication of how much more dominant Suarez was than them by seeing the sheer number of chances he got himself - his chance conversion wasn't great and yet he still had an incredible goals to games ratio.

Suarez with Ajax simply dominated games single handedly, he was completely unbelieveable - physically and technically just on a completely different level to everyone else on the pitch.

I'm not arguing with any of that. The post I originally replied to was saying his level of finishing dropped from his time at Ajax. It remained though at a similar level, he just didn't get as many chances in the premier league. It was only when his chance conversion rate improved and he became clinical in front of goal for the first time in his career over a long period that he scored similar amounts of goals to his days with Ajax. At that point he was a far superior player though to his Dutch days even if only due to now adding being clinical with his chances to his repertoire.

5live

brevity wrote: »

Looks like Shaqiri is off to Juve.

https://twitter.com/honigstein/status/549192760331620353

And Martin Montoya joining from Barcelona too supposedly.

rossie1977

JohnDaniels wrote: »

I didn't say it wasn't but the fact is you get far more chances to score in Holland. Lots of players like Kuyt for example scored goals for fun in the Dutch league but couldn't do the same in better leagues.

suarez scored 81 goals in 110 league games in holland, kuyt scored 122 goals in 261 games in holland. rafa anyway played kuyt as a right winger not a striker so its an apples and oranges comparison

suarez has 43 in 82 games for uruguay while cavani has 24 in 69 playing for the same team over the exact same time period

~Rebel~

JohnDaniels wrote: »

I'm not arguing with any of that. The post I originally replied to was saying his level of finishing dropped from his time at Ajax. It remained though at a similar level, he just didn't get as many chances in the premier league. It was only when his chance conversion rate improved and he became clinical in front of goal for the first time in his career over a long period that he scored similar amounts of goals to his days with Ajax. At that point he was a far superior player though to his Dutch days even if only due to now adding being clinical with his chances to his repertoire.

Fair point.

On the topic of another goalscorer, any thoughts on this Saido Mane story - that we were in for him until our mathematician chap Ian Graham decided the numbers didn't add up. This is a Duncan Castles story though, so dollop of salt required.

Has a lot of attributes that would have suited us down to the ground though, and is scoring goals now.

SuperTortoise

~Rebel~ wrote: »

defensive coach.



We've gotten away with it so far though, and the more time he's on the pitch the better - so long as its Sakho covering him at LCB instead of Lovren.

I think that shows how good Sakho has been, he's been defending the left side almost entirely by himself in the last few games, would like to see Moreno play at LWB and shift Markovic further up he really is a liability defending.

Augmerson

I was 1 million off the price of Origi in at January.

Some times if you spout enough bull**** some of it will come true :pac:

Augmerson

Augmerson wrote: »

I was 1 million off the price of Origi in at January.

Some times if you spout enough bull**** some of it will come true :pac:

Link please
Can't find anything.

Turtyturd

SuperTortoise wrote: »

I think that shows how good Sakho has been, he's been defending the left side almost entirely by himself in the last few games, would like to see Moreno play at LWB and shift Markovic further up he really is a liability defending.

Moreno at LWB, Markovic in goal, no harm done.

NukaCola

Turtyturd wrote: »

Moreno at LWB, Markovic in goal, no harm done.

We play with 11 men, other teams play with 10 men and a goalkeeper.

mosstin

Konchesky off. Phew - one less worry for New Year's Day.

Augmerson

Augeo wrote: »

Link please
Can't find anything.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/12/report-liverpool-agree-deal-bring-divock-origi-anfield-january/

livinginkorea

With all the draws today we have a great chance to make up some ground tomorrow...hopefully Brendan will get the lads in the right frame of mind.

mosstin

livinginkorea wrote: »

With all the draws today we have a great chance to make up some ground tomorrow...hopefully Brendan will get the lads in the right frame of mind.

Arsenal didn't draw.

klose

Apparently this guy has been spot on anytime he gets team news, whoever he is.

https://twitter.com/damianlfcpl/status/549240182332215296

Definately a team id be excited to see

livinginkorea

mosstin wrote: »

Arsenal didn't draw.

There's always one!

8-10

klose wrote: »

Apparently this guy has been spot on anytime he gets team news, whoever he is.

https://twitter.com/damianlfcpl/status/54924018233221529
Definately a team id be excited to see

Back to 4-4-2 presumably. Would be good to see Can play the 90

Harry Palmr

I'll actually post the starting 11 shall I?

Mignolet – Emre Can, Škrtel, Sakho – Manquillo, Henderson, Lucas, Moreno – Lallana, Coutinho, Sterling.

That set up or rather the players chosen the play the system looks rather better like that.

Gits_bone

Quality team. Would expect 2 goal victory.

klose

8-10 wrote: »

Back to 4-4-2 presumably. Would be good to see Can play the 90

Could be 3 at the back wit emre rcb and manquillo/moreno as wing backs. Hopefully its correct in any case whatever the formation.

mav79

That team looks as solid as we have defensively, but I'm still not convinced with Lallana, Couthino and Sterling as a front three.

Agent Coulson

That team can switch systems quiet easy with those players. 3-4-3 to 4-3-3 to 4-4-2

NukaCola

Lallana has been really poor in this system. Goes missing far too often.

Harry Palmr

Which system?

NukaCola

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Which system?

3-4-2-1 or the one with the WB's

Hangballlouie

One of the great joys of my football supporting life right now is that the Ev are struggling worse than us. Hopefully their form continues for the rest of the season.

Grayditch

I don't really mind Everton.

jcsoulinger

Grayditch wrote: »

I don't really mind Everton.

Who's Everton?

~Rebel~

Augmerson wrote: »

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/12/report-liverpool-agree-deal-bring-divock-origi-anfield-january/

Within that very piece:

"However, Liverpool have since denied the report, according to Sky Sports."


Really don't think it's happening...

Augmerson

Augmerson wrote: »

I was 1 million off the price of Origi in at January.

Some times if you spout enough bull**** some of it will come true :pac:

Augmerson wrote: »

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/12/report-liverpool-agree-deal-bring-divock-origi-anfield-january/

According to that you'll have to keep spouting bullsh1t as that looks to be a non article

Totally senseless bringing him to Anfield in Jan for €6 million.

Augmerson

It'll happen.

6 million sterling for Origi is doable. FSG won't commit more funds and the Transfer Council and Brendan is a ****ing farce. It's the most straight forward motion.

klose

klose wrote: »

Apparently this guy has been spot on anytime he gets team news, whoever he is.

https://twitter.com/damianlfcpl/status/549240182332215296

Definately a team id be excited to see

Would love to see that Manquillo & Moreno as wingbacks with Can as the left CB alongside Škrtel& Sakho.

Lucas ahead of them providing cover and Henderson box to box, Lallana would be able to roam and press.

Gerrard on the bench if needed for the last 30 mins or so in place of Lallana.

I do hope that is the starting 11, as mentioned the ability to change formation is also there making the opposition's job that bit harder

5live

Augeo wrote: »

Would love to see that Manquillo & Moreno as wingbacks with Can as the left CB alongside Škrtel& Sakho.

Lucas ahead of them providing cover and Henderson box to box, Lallana would be able to roam and press.

Gerrard on the bench if needed for the last 30 mins or so in place of Lallana.

I do hope that is the starting 11, as mentioned the ability to change formation is also there making the opposition's job that bit harder

I would rather Can as the sweeper or more of a libero role. I don't ever ever again want to see Skrtel as the right CB as his agrophobia gets more acute the further from the box he gets. Middle CB gives me less waking nightmares. Plus, Can can take the ball forward and draw opponents out from their defensive setup or rampage forward.

Also with Can as LCB, you are committing Sakho to MCB and we have no idea if he is any good there.

That team has 4-4-1-1 written all over it, to my eyes.

NukaCola

If we spend an additional 6m on a player we already own then I'll give up on LFC and transfers. Leave him where he is. He is one for the future and wont fix our problems, we still need an additional striker with him in the squad anyway.

Agent Coulson

The "Metro" has us close to signing Berahino for £23.5m lol

It's not the 1st April already is it?

Edit and the Star is running it now.

Double edit The Star is quoting the Metro.

Harry Palmr

The Origi thing was done and dusted (ie not happening) two weeks ago. Berahino is just the Star and Metro clickbating - far worse than masturbating.

Chucky the tree

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The "Metro" has us close to signing Berahino for £23.5m lol

It's not the 1st April already is it?

Edit and the Star is running it now.

With this club I wouldn't be at all surprised if we spent that on Berhino.

5live

5live wrote: »

.....

That team has 4-4-1-1 written all over it, to my eyes.

Perhaps, but as Manquillo & Moreno will be bombing forward I reckon the 3 CBs will feature frequently. Or maybe Lucas totally anchored to allow Can go forward too

ebbsy

Augeo wrote: »

Perhaps, but as Manquillo & Moreno will be bombing forward I reckon the 3 CBs will feature frequently. Or maybe Lucas totally anchored to allow Can go forward too

Rodgers has to play them first. Why buy players and not play them.

Hidalgo

Going over tomorrow morning. 6 of us and we have 3 tickets.
What's our best bet to gather more
We'll be in Liverpool from 10.30 so all day for finding.
We were thinking of asking around the Park beforehand but it would be grand to be organised earlier in the day???

amiable

Hidalgo wrote: »

Going over tomorrow morning. 6 of us and we have 3 tickets.
What's our best bet to gather more
We'll be in Liverpool from 10.30 so all day for finding.
We were thinking of asking around the Park beforehand but it would be grand to be organised earlier in the day???

Get yourself on twitter and ask around. There are plenty of face value accounts on there.

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Klopp under more pressure Dortmund losing again and in the bottom 3.

Has allegedly resigned a short while ago.

Hangballlouie

Grayditch wrote: »

I don't really mind Everton.

I hope they get relegated, promoted and relegated again.

Agent Coulson

Augeo wrote: »

Has allegedly resigned a short while ago.

If true and even if Rodgers was to get sacked I don't think FSG would hire Klopp.

I have wanted Klopp since before Rodgers was hired but I think de Boer is most likely who FSG would look for if Rodgers was to go.

I think we'll be keeping Brendan

HUGE game tomorrow, 3 points tomorrow means 5 points off 4th & 5 points off Arsenal.

Need to capitalise on the recent win and put a run together.

SuperTortoise

^ i think that rumoured team is probably our strongest starting 11 at this time, i'd say it'll be the same formation as the last few games with three at the back. Would really like to see what that team can do tomorrow.

Agent Coulson

If Klopp becomes a free agent manager that will make or break managers under pressure of losing their jobs.

They either up their game to keep their job or the shadow of Klopp will hang over them.

Irishmale0399

Lads Klopp has not resigned nor will he in the coming weeks.....the club are buying/looking for players for him and he is confident that he can solve their current problems.

amiable

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Lads Klopp has not resigned nor will he in the coming weeks.....the club are buying/looking for players for him and he is confident that he can solve their current problems.

Amazed the Press Officer for Borussia Dortmund has a boards account

SuperTortoise

Well according to the interwebs he has resigned so it must be true!