Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

NukaCola

marklazarcovic wrote: »

and a lot of ye want him gone


fan's me hole

I dont think I remember a single post that says anyone wanted BR gone.

Lots of people have concerns and after 11 games a lot of them are justified.
BR has a tough task now no doubt about and we will see what he's made of in the next few months. I personally have a lot of confidence in him turning things around.

I really hope Rodgers has a new plan how to approach the next 14 or games that will define our season.

If I see Ballotelli up top on his own v Palace I'll cry.

I wouldn't mind seeing the majority of the team that played Madrid away tbh.

Agent Coulson

Ballotelli & Borini have to start up front.

Pilsbury Doughboy

Whats the latest on Balotellis injury? An Italian who works in my local chippy reckons Balotelli was just sent home and had no injury!

OwaynOTT

Has to be Ballerini up front, any other option is madness.

Kerrigooney

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Whats the latest on Balotellis injury? An Italian who works in my local chippy reckons Balotelli was just sent home and had no injury!

That's too funny.

Agent Coulson

This is the team I would go with.

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Mignolet

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Manquillo---Skrtel----Toure

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Moreno

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Can

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Henderson

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Lallana

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Sterling

---

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Borini

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Balotelli

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If Henderson isn't fit I'd go with Allen.

But I think Gerrard will start ahead of Can.

Pilsbury Doughboy

Kerrigooney wrote: »

That's too funny.

Ha, It sounds legit eh! In fairness this lad is a fairly clued up Milan fan who's taken a liking to Liverpool,he was over at the Hull game too! He does a good impression of how Balotelli strolls around the pitch and everything.

Anyway back to my point was there any substance to that theory, has Balo been declared fit for the weekend, anyone know!?!

Hidalgo

marklazarcovic wrote: »

just over 6 months ago our greatest season in decades ended (in terms of excitement and general holy shiiteness this could happen type feelings) .. we didnt win anything but for sheer scale of emotions over the final 5 months of the season for me it felt awesome as a lfc fan to experience that ..something it seems that has been forgotten already by many.

other clubs have that every year,not us.. brendan rodgers and his team gave it to us last year, and a lot of ye want him gone because we are not scoring or winning and are playing terrible right now. to see so called fans in here calling for his head 6months on is disgraceful.

or keep chopping and changing managers,who will keep chopping and changing players and we will stay where we have been for decades ...


OR .. give the man who came closer than anyone a bit of fcking breathing room and let him rebuild ,mistakes will be made and have been ... he has proven that he can do it,one slip cost him 6 months ago,he would be a hero now other than that,even if we had the same start this season we have had ... its not his fault danny is out,or luis went,or lovren flopped ... you would think he could forsee all this the way ye slate him . he deserves this season and next to prove last season was not a freak ..


fan's me hole

I think Hangboullie?? Is the only one who would like to see Rodgers replaced, and that on the condition of Benitez being the replacement. Apologies if I'm wrong on this.


Others believe Rodgers will come under pressure come seasons end if the current stutterings continue and become the norm.

I agree with your point that its not Rodgers' fault that Suarez is gone or Sturridge is injured.

However, it's not as if the Suarez sale materialised and was finalised in the last days of the window. The club had ample time to replace Suarez and imo failed to do so.
Likewise Sturridge's injuries are hardly that much of a shock. Again poor foresight was used to be ready for the inevitable Sturridge layoff.

Turtyturd

marklazarcovic wrote: »

and suarez has said that the MANAGER built the team and tactics,not suarez.

good as he is i cannot and have not seen him play as well for anyone else,before or since

Eh he was brilliant for Ajax, one of the players of the world cup the summer before he signed, and has only played a handful of games for Barca where I am sure he will top his form for us....especially if he stumbles across 'Ronnie's' special juices.

ush

Turtyturd wrote: »

....especially if he stumbles across 'Ronnie's' special juices.

What do you possibly mean?

Kerrigooney

Turtyturd wrote: »

Eh he was brilliant for Ajax, one of the players of the world cup the summer before he signed, and has only played a handful of games for Barca where I am sure he will top his form for us....especially if he stumbles across 'Ronnie's' special juices.

Worst porn I ever saw.

hefferboi

My view on Rodgers is that he should definitely be given to the Summer. It would be absolute madness to sack him during this season unless things go drastically wrong and we end up in the Championship. We have a solid set up at the club in all areas for the first time in a long time. We have a great youth set up and one or 2 players look like they could be world beaters. We also have a young squad with heaps of potential.

However, Rodgers definitely has his weaknesses. Not signing a proper defensive midfielder by last January was idiotic and lost us the title, imo. But not signing one in the Summer was outright lunacy and could well cost him his job, and rightly so, if its his decision not to bring one in.

I'm no football expert but I would put every penny I make in 2015 on a proper outright DM fixing a large chunk of our defensive problems. I think the likes of Sakho and Moreno would finally settle and flourish. A proper dm covers either full back when they bomb forward, ala Mascherano in 2009 or Matic for Chelsea this year.

I also feel Rodgers' insistence on going with Balotelli up front on his own is a joke. Borini would be a far better option on his own or up top with Balo. How Rodgers cant see this is beyond me. I also think if he lets Suso go he'll regret it and so will the club. He looks like a genuine talent and has a bite to his game that will help him if he can control his temper. He's got serious vision.

hefferboi

I really rambled on there, sorry!:o

marklazarcovic

Turtyturd wrote: »

Eh he was brilliant for Ajax, one of the players of the world cup the summer before he signed, and has only played a handful of games for Barca where I am sure he will top his form for us....especially if he stumbles across 'Ronnie's' special juices.

ya but dutch league aint all that,plus he upped his game twofold when he left ..

as for the juices in spain, well hopefully ,time will reveal all

garra

marklazarcovic wrote: »

just over 6 months ago our greatest season in decades ended (in terms of excitement and general holy shiiteness this could happen type feelings) .. we didnt win anything but for sheer scale of emotions over the final 5 months of the season for me it felt awesome as a lfc fan to experience that ..something it seems that has been forgotten already by many.

other clubs have that every year,not us.. brendan rodgers and his team gave it to us last year, and a lot of ye want him gone because we are not scoring or winning and are playing terrible right now. to see so called fans in here calling for his head 6months on is disgraceful.

or keep chopping and changing managers,who will keep chopping and changing players and we will stay where we have been for decades ...


OR .. give the man who came closer than anyone a bit of fcking breathing room and let him rebuild ,mistakes will be made and have been ... he has proven that he can do it,one slip cost him 6 months ago,he would be a hero now other than that,even if we had the same start this season we have had ... its not his fault danny is out,or luis went,or lovren flopped ... you would think he could forsee all this the way ye slate him . he deserves this season and next to prove last season was not a freak ..


fan's me hole

You could compare Morinho without strikers last year to Rodgers woes this year, except CFC finished top four. We dont have the squad or the manager to play without a front line.
Part of the reason we don't have that squad is down to Rodgers. Most of the reason we are not scrapping more 1:0's is also down to the manager. How long do you think the owners will accept the status quo, I know how long you want them to give him, but how long do you actually think they will wait for a turn-around?

Gbear

hefferboi wrote: »

However, Rodgers definitely has his weaknesses. Not signing a proper defensive midfielder by last January was idiotic and lost us the title, imo. But not signing one in the Summer was outright lunacy and could well cost him his job, and rightly so, if its his decision not to bring one in.

Nope nope nopety nope.

We won so many games in the 2nd half of the season that if we literally had the best player in the world in every position it would've scarcely made a difference.

Nothing that happened after January 1st can be blamed for why we we didn't win the league. Our record was as close to perfect as could be expected by any team, never mind one that apparently had a load of weaknesses.

garra

Gbear wrote: »

Nope nope nopety nope.

We won so many games in the 2nd half of the season that if we literally had the best player in the world in every position it would've scarcely made a difference.

Nothing that happened after January 1st can be blamed for why we we didn't win the league. Our record was as close to perfect as could be expected by any team, never mind one that apparently had a load of weaknesses.

And it was a fracking roller-coaster ride without that type of player, for good or bad! It was pure theatre and put us back in the spot-light with the high scoring games.

Turtyturd

Gbear wrote: »

Nope nope nopety nope.

We won so many games in the 2nd half of the season that if we literally had the best player in the world in every position it would've scarcely made a difference.

Nothing that happened after January 1st can be blamed for why we we didn't win the league. Our record was as close to perfect as could be expected by any team, never mind one that apparently had a load of weaknesses.

Well the approach to the Chelsea game...but that's been done to death.

Augmerson

Origi in for January.

Makes sense.

We need a striker and I suspect FSG won't plump up the 30m sterling needed.

It's either we call in Origi or we take a cheap punt on someone with 'good stats' in the Dutch or Belgian or French leagues.

We may very well be out of the CL by January so why would the likes of Cavani (with massive wages) come to us?

jesus_thats_gre

Augmerson wrote: »

Origi in for January.

It's either we call in Origi or we take a cheap punt on someone with 'good stats' in the Dutch or Belgian or French leagues.

Is that not what Origi is?

Agent Coulson

I would leave Origi in France till the end of the season.

He is not the answer.

Augmerson

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Is that not what Origi is?

Oh.

Ah **** it.

mosstin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I would leave Origi in France till the end of the season.

He is not the answer.

Careful now. You'll be accused by Harry of writing him off.

klose

Agent Coulson wrote: »

This is the team I would go with.

---

Mignolet

---

Manquillo---Skrtel----Toure

---

Moreno

---

Can

---

Henderson

---

Lallana

---

Sterling

---

---

Borini

---

Balotelli

---

If Henderson isn't fit I'd go with Allen.

But I think Gerrard will start ahead of Can.

Would be a fan of this but johnson and lovren will start no doubt.

I don't mind if we get Origi in January, but only if we get him alongside a quality striker.

To get him on his own would smack of desperation, penny pinching and put ridiculous pressure on a very young player to rescue our season.

Paying an extra few million for his services a few months earlier too is embarrassing, considering we spent over 20m on two strikers a few months ago that both scored a decent haul in stronger leagues than France.

Hidalgo

garra wrote: »

You could compare Morinho without strikers last year to Rodgers woes this year, except CFC finished top four. We dont have the squad or the manager to play without a front line.
Part of the reason we don't have that squad is down to Rodgers. Most of the reason we are not scrapping more 1:0's is also down to the manager. How long do you think the owners will accept the status quo, I know how long you want them to give him, but how long do you actually think they will wait for a turn-around?

Chelsea went without a striker last season as they supposedly held out for Costa's availability. If only Rodgers was waiting for something similar next summer. By then of course cl will be out the gap most likely

mosstin

Hidalgo wrote: »

Chelsea went without a striker last season as they supposedly held out for Costa's availability. If only Rodgers was waiting for something similar next summer. By then of course cl will be out the gap most likely

Chelsea had a water tight defence and a plethora of goals from midfield. We have neither.

Gbear

Turtyturd wrote: »

Well the approach to the Chelsea game...

.... had no bearing on the game.

Augmerson

Would love to see someone big come in but realistically, who is there?

For every great signing (Suarez) there is also a horrendous signing (Carroll). And it's January, so fee's go up. And everybody knows we need badly for that position.

So if we do sign, and I am very pessimistic about it, FSG will have to splash the cash. At least 30m sterling. I just see that as a price that would actually get someone decent and capable.

If we were supposedly in for the likes of Cavani before, surely we would have landed him back before the start of the season?

Charlie19

Augmerson wrote: »

Would love to see someone big come in but realistically, who is there?

For every great signing (Suarez) there is also a horrendous signing (Carroll). And it's January, so fee's go up. And everybody knows we need badly for that position.

So if we do sign, and I am very pessimistic about it, FSG will have to splash the cash. At least 30m sterling. I just see that as a price that would actually get someone decent and capable.

If we were supposedly in for the likes of Cavani before, surely we would have landed him back before the start of the season?

there is no one bigger.

Agent Coulson

Augmerson wrote: »

If we were supposedly in for the likes of Cavani before, surely we would have landed him back before the start of the season?

PSG were never going to sell in the summer when Zlatan was out injured and had no return date.

Turtyturd

Gbear wrote: »

.... had no bearing on the game.

As certain as you are in that, I am in the opposite opinion.

shamrock55

I dont think cavani is the answer tbh

Kerrigooney

shamrock55 wrote: »

I dont think cavani is the answer tbh

Me neither. He's gone ta fuck.

mosstin

shamrock55 wrote: »

I dont think cavani is the answer tbh

What question did you ask?

K4t

You should sign Welbeck if he falls out of favour at Arsenal.

brevity

Welbeck isn't the answer.

Turtyturd

Sturridge injured is a better option than Welbz.

Harry Palmr

Augmerson wrote: »

Origi in for January.

Makes sense.

We need a striker and I suspect FSG won't plump up the 30m sterling needed.

It's either we call in Origi or we take a cheap punt on someone with 'good stats' in the Dutch or Belgian or French leagues.

We may very well be out of the CL by January so why would the likes of Cavani (with massive wages) come to us?

Turtyturd wrote: »

Sturridge injured is a better option than Welbz.

I'd have Welbeck not that he is going anywhere, on the QT I've become a bit of a fan I have to say. That's why I'm quite hot for Origi, he is basically the Belgian version.

That Arkadiusz Milik fella that 8-10 knows about looks very handy for Ajax and Poland but Leverkusen own him.

huey1975

brevity wrote: »

Welbeck isn't the answer.

Unless the question is " what former man utd striker, with the balance and coordination of a newly born giraffe, managed to score 20 premiership goals in 92 games from the 2008-9 season before signing for a big London club nicknamed the gunners?"

Liam O

huey1975 wrote: »

Unless the question is " what former man utd striker, with the balance and coordination of a newly born giraffe, managed to score 20 premiership goals in 92 games from the 2008-9 season before signing for a big London club nicknamed the gunners?"

Or what player has actually scored and performed well in Champions League knockout stages and top internationals maybe? No?

Also I hate stats for strikers that give appearances without the context of actual minutes played or games played in their favoured position.

huey1975

Liam O wrote: »

Or what player has actually scored and performed well in Champions League knockout stages and top internationals maybe? No?

Also I hate stats for strikers that give appearances without the context of actual minutes played or games played in their favoured position.

Yeah but there are several correct answers to your question whereas there is only one correct answer to mine

Agent Coulson

I know it's ony the Metro...

WooHooooo

Glen Johnson accepts Roma transfer after rejecting new Liverpool contract.

Glen Johnson has rejected the offer of a new two-year contract at Liverpool to agree terms with Italian side Roma, according to reports.

Johnson, who is out of contract at the end of the season, was offered a new deal by Liverpool this week, which included a 50% pay cut.

And despite the Reds being hopeful of securing the 30-year-old’s services, it’s now claimed that Johnson has rejected that to agree terms on a switch to Roma.

The deal would start in January, with Roma ready to pay a nominal fee to get him out of Anfield as soon as possible.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/11/19/glen-johnson-accepts-roma-transfer-after-rejecting-new-liverpool-contract-4954500/

pmy.murphy

Harry Palmr wrote: »

That Arkadiusz Milik fella that 8-10 knows about looks very handy for Ajax and Poland but Leverkusen own him.

Ajax have the option to buy him in January for 2.5m euros. Bargain

J Mysterio

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Just confirms what anyone watching already knows. I warned about this happening and surely enough it has. 10 players with Gerrard on the pitch (nine with Balotelli) no wonder Liverpool are midtable.

Of course Sky is still a cheerleader so after pointing out the obvious they still include



Alas Rodgers seems to agree.

As long as Gerrard is playing every game Liverpool will be pinned back in their own half for too much of the game.

This is bull****. The problem is that Rodgers invented a role for Gerrard that he thought would get better longevity out of him.

The reality is that this role was never going to work. What has always made Gerrard great was his dynamism and deciveness, particularly in driving the team forward at important junctures.

He is not a defensive player.

smileyj1987

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I know it's ony the Metro...

WooHooooo

Glen Johnson accepts Roma transfer after rejecting new Liverpool contract.



http://metro.co.uk/2014/11/19/glen-johnson-accepts-roma-transfer-after-rejecting-new-liverpool-contract-4954500/

Some needs to put up celebrate good times up now !!!

Vicxas

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Some needs to put up celebrate good times up now !!!

Iused2likebusts

J Mysterio wrote: »

This is bull****. The problem is that Rodgers invented a role for Gerrard that he thought would get better longevity out of him.

The reality is that this role was never going to work. What has always made Gerrard great was his dynamism and deciveness, particularly in driving the team forward at important junctures.

He is not a defensive player.

It worked a treat for 4 months as opposing teams sat off Gerrard and with lots of space he was able to dictate the play and use his passing range to spring counter attacks. It worked so well in fact that opposing teams are now man marking our dm to nullify our attacks and Gerrard is struggling as a result. Unfortunately rodgers hasn't adapted to this and our other mids aren't make use of the extra space afforded to them.

Rodgers saying forwards not involved to date will get unexpected gametime due to sturridge injury, surely borini will be playing now.

With Gerrard sometimes receiving the attention he is from opposing midfielders you'd think coutinho etc would get the ball from the wingbacks instead, than if he's man marked too someone else n sterling par exampla should be in lots of space.