#bringdownjulianblanc

Cosmicfox

I don't really care what happens to him or any of these idiots who follow him. He threw himself into the frying pan by going around choking women and calling them whores. He thought he'd get away with it.

Hopefully they'll see that acting like a complete moron will have consequences. At least no-one has tried choking him yet, so there's that.

JasperGeorge.

Cosmicfox wrote: »

I don't really care what happens to him or any of these idiots who follow him. He threw himself into the frying pan by going around choking women and calling them whores. He thought he'd get away with it.

Hopefully they'll see that acting like a complete moron will have consequences. At least no-one has tried choking him yet, so there's that.

I think going through the proper authorities would be a wiser course of action. Consequences should be measured against the original actions. They mean much more then.

Yurt2

JasperGeorge. wrote: »

I think going through the proper authorities would be a wiser course of action. Consequences should be measured against the original actions. They mean much more then.

We live in the era of the social media smackdown, and right now the Eye of Sauron is pointing right at him. He's in for an uncomfortable few days/weeks.

Is that justice? I dunno, but welcome to 2014.

JasperGeorge.

Yurt! wrote: »

We live in the era of the social media smackdown, and right now the Eye of Sauron is pointing right at him. He's in for an uncomfortable few days/weeks.

Is that justice? I dunno, but welcome to 2014.

No it's not justice. And it will only serve to further legitimize him illogical as that seems. I realize very little can be done about it in reality. But he should get no more than he deserves. Also bear in mind some of the men targeted at these evens for attending have done nothing but actually go to a seminar.

One eyed Jack

JasperGeorge. wrote: »

I think going through the proper authorities would be a wiser course of action. Consequences should be measured against the original actions. They mean much more then.

You're absolutely right, I wouldn't normally advocate violence, but I could certainly turn a blind eye while every one of those women he choked queued up to choke him within an inch of his life repeatedly, one after the other, and humiliated him in the same way as he has done to them.

That's not eye for an eye or mob justice, that's exactly the consequences measured against the original actions.

JasperGeorge.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You're absolutely right, I wouldn't normally advocate violence, but I could certainly turn a blind eye while every one of those women he choked queued up to choke him within an inch of his life repeatedly, one after the other, and humiliated him in the same way as he has done to them.

That's not eye for an eye or mob justice, that's exactly the consequences measured against the original actions.

It would only serve to give him a moral high ground in some quarters.

Cosmicfox

Suppose so. But I'd be lying if I said I don't enjoy seeing twats like him squirm when things blow up in their face.

One eyed Jack

JasperGeorge. wrote: »

It would only serve to give him a moral high ground in some quarters.

Unfortunately, I have to agree, I know you're right - some other useless menace to society will take his place and have to go one 'better' again, pushing the extreme to the next level of depravity and humiliation.

The world is a worse place for having bred the likes of the mentality he represents, and the extreme reactionaries whom he gives rise to exist in civilised society.

newmug

JasperGeorge, are you a PUA of some kind yourself? You seem to be defending this fella, and "normalising" the idea of hoards of men going to these "seminars". And yourself and Yurt seem to be having an awfully polite exchange of views for two people on opposing sides of the argument. Similar writing style aswell!!


All of these PUA's should be made illegal IMO. And psychics. Unless of course they want to provide their "services" free of charge. Doubt that'll happen though.

eviltwin wrote: »

So get help from a professional for your lack of confidence, negative body language or whatever it is that's holding you back. Going to a dating coach is a waste of money and reeks of desperation.

Here missus, whats wrong with that? Not getting sex when your balls feel like Chernobyl can do that to a fella! And emotionally pushing someone away only makes it worse. This is the age of "look after your mental health"! If you come across a fella who "reeks of desperation" as you put it, don't reject him! Try and set him up with one of your friends! (Hint: Usually the one who cant get a man, the curvy one, there's one in every female group of friends!)

Adamantium

I love RSD, as they take the whole into account. It doesn't even feel like pick up. Some incredible free material just out there on Youtube. This guy Owen Cooke who set up it over 10 years ago and you can just see the passion in his eyes, he has to make men's lives better, and there isn't many male only outlets to get specific advice from men (who are going through similar stuff), but he always states they got to do it themselves. No doubt he has saved lives and we'll never hear a thing about that.

This is a great, great video for people in a very low place, he gets it, completely. This one video has helped me more than anything when going through chronic pain, even much more than my best friends (I'm serious)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGp25fn25C

JasperGeorge.

newmug wrote: »

JasperGeorge, are you a PUA of some kind yourself? You seem to be defending this fella, and "normalising" the idea of hoards of men going to these "seminars". And yourself and Yurt seem to be having an awfully polite exchange of views for two people on opposing sides of the argument. Similar writing style aswell!!


All of these PUA's should be made illegal IMO. And psychics. Unless of course they want to provide their "services" free of charge. Doubt that'll happen though.

I knew I would accused of this *rolls eyes* no, I was never into PUA. I do sympathize with the situation some men find themselves in and the urge to change it. I don't condone what this guy has done.






And Adamantium are you serious? ( Don't answer that I know you're a shill) He has gotten women into physical choke holds WTF??

That guy Owen Cooke (Tyler Durden) is one of the weirdest freaks on the PUA circuit. On the other hand he is the only coach to suggest being friendly and cool is the way to get girls. He could care less about the people who come to listen to him and its clear. maybe it wasnt that way in the past, but these videos all appear to be "mail it in events" where he shows up, does what he supposed to do and gets the hell out of there. No connection whatsoever with these losers that attend these things. He probably sees them as losers too and thats why. I wonder what it's like to have a following of people you can't stand?

When you like a girl make an effort and be friendly. Be genuine.

It's funny how all these guys can't wait to crap on each other.

Zulu

Jaysus these PUA threads are getting as common as the 'foreign women are better' threads.

Grayson

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Em no it's not, it's called manipulation.

I've written my sexual history, technique and penis length (no photo's, that's a mistake) down in a brief resume. I then go to nightclubs and hand it out. After a formal interview we (hopefully) progress onto copulation. I think it's the fairest way.

In any social romantic type situation where a guy approaches a girl, or vice versa, there's going to be an interaction. The guy/girl is pretty much trying to impress the other person and probably trying to learn more about them. It doesn't involve lying, it just is about getting the other person to believe you're someone that it's worth spending time with.

That interaction is a social skill. There are people who are useless at it. There are guys who'll say completely the wrong thing. They'll look like fools. These guys aren't dicks, they just lack certain social skills. And life isn't like the films were some girl will see a badly dressed guy who can't string a sentence together and yet still see the diamond within.

So guys go out and learn this stuff. they learn how to approach a girl without looking like a stalker. How to start a conversation that might interest the girl. How to present themselves in the best light. This isn't like something in a Barney Stinson playbook, it's just social skills. And why not? People train in interview technique because they are useless in interviews. This is similar.

that's not to say that there aren't guys who go too far. there's the "Pua Lifestyle" guys. For them it's about rating women and trying to get as many hot woman as possible. I've only browsed a forum, watched a few youtube videos and read The Game so my experience is limited, but from what I can tell most of the guys aren't like that. I can guarantee that most of the guys who attend these seminars aren't. They're just lonely guys who want to improve their chances of meeting a woman and not being alone for the rest of their lives. And fair play to them. rather than failing over and over again, or just giving up and sitting at home, they're doing something about it.

Frank Lee Midere

So I'm not sure if this thread is anti choking random women or not?

Grayson

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

So I'm not sure if this thread is anti choking random women or not?

http://i.imgur.com/c64KsmR.jpg

I'm going with it's bad to choke women who don't want to be choked (I'm going to assume that's pretty much all of them)

fedor.2.

Grayson wrote: »

http://i.imgur.com/c64KsmR.jpg

I'm going with it's bad to choke women who don't want to be choked (I'm going to assume that's pretty much all of them)

How wrong you are

orubiru

eviltwin wrote: »

Anyone who needs lessons on how to pull doesn't deserve to pull

That's a pretty interesting statement.

Surely "learning to pull" can either be done by trial and error or by sitting down and "studying" how that kind of social interaction works then trying to put that into practice?

It's not like we pop into existence fully prepared to interact successfully with other people?

PUA is weird, weird, stuff but I suppose that's what happens when a bunch of people who are maybe not the best in social situations band together and say "OK, let's try to figure this out".

Your comment is like saying "don't try to fix your problems, if you need to try or learn then you don't deserve that things you want from life".

Presumably, us lads should just go to our school/college/office, pick out the girl we want to spend the rest of our lives with and then go get her?

In a situation where I would like to get better at something what is your alternative to learning how to do that thing?

One eyed Jack

Oscartheboxer wrote: »

This seems like something that you want to believe. One of the fundamental principles taught is "inner game" which is about growing your confidence and developing healthy self esteem. Meditation is often recommended. So you don't really know what you are talking about.

RSD has repeatedly emphasised the point that you should not replace society's social conditioning in your mind with RSD social conditioning. That you should apply the principles your self and see for yourself whether they work or not, don't just believe what they tell you with blind faith, test it out for yourself and see the world through your own eyes.

You seem to have the bizarre assumption that if a man isn't brilliant with women then he has psychological issues. Some people just aren't great at approaching and attracting women, there is nothing fundamentally wrong with them, they just to need to learn the skillset.

I know what I'm talking about. The rest of your post is just fancy fluff talk which I can't be arsed arguing against because I also know you're only likely to rattle off more PUA guff that I must have heard dozens of times already at this stage.

newmug

Oscartheboxer wrote: »

The seminars you see in his videos are free of charge. It's called a free tour. There are free tours all over the world. So your assumption has been proven wrong.

Join date Nov 2014???


Ok Jasper ;-)

The Backwards Man

PUA is like the homophobia or racism of the 21st century, judging by the amount of times I've heard 'Now I'm not PUA, but. . . .'

The_Captain

Julien Blanc is just a scumbag and the only people who buy into his crap are asocial virgins who live with their parents

orubiru

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Any of these PUA types indemnify themselves in the small print by stating that their 'methods' are for entertainment purposes only.

Accredited psychological and psychiatric professionals will address the underlying issues with a person rather than the equivalent of slapping a band aid on a gaping wound which is exactly what all these 'dating coaches' and 'lifestyle coaches' do - they provide the illusion of a quick and easy solution to what these men see as their more immediate issues.

I shouldn't need to point out to you the obvious flaws in self-diagnosis.

This is a brilliant post and I wish that more people who would get into PUA, psychics, life coaching or stuff like that would get more advice like this from folks like yourself.

People are happy enough giving hundreds, even thousands, of bucks to these guys when they would be able to get decent professional care for the same price.

PUA should really only be seen as "entertainment". Some of it (SOME of it!!!) can be a bit of fun in the club on an night out if you don't take it too seriously. Choking random women or just annoying them in general is not on though.

orubiru

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Em no it's not, it's called manipulation.

But don't you think that a decent chunk of all human interaction is manipulation on some level?

I think we'd see a lot of "manipulation" in the animal kingdom too right?

Our capacity to create an idea of our "self" in the minds of others is one of out most highly evolved traits. In other animals females tend to choose the most "flamboyant" males and that is pretty much the most simple example of "attraction". Humans, being more complex in our nature, have more complex methods.

Do you honestly think that when a couple goes on their first date there isn't a certain "bending" of reality on some level, from both parties?

tritium

eviltwin wrote: »

Anyone who needs lessons on how to pull doesn't deserve to pull

Sorry but that's just nonsense. PUA didnt actually invent any of this you realise, they just packaged this up. Nothing they offer hasn't been available in self improvement coursed for years, many offered by qualified (and unqualified) 'professionals'. It doesn't suddenly become bad just because someone packaged it in a new shiny box.

What your saying is people shouldn't work to address their weaknesses. the reality is that lack of social confidence can lead to loneliness and isolation in many cases. Why shouldn't someone look to push past that? And if the pua package is the one they go for over something else so what? For all the asshattery in some pua stuff there's also quite a bit of useful and practical stuff that extends to all social interaction.
(And just to be clear I'm not advocating the extreme stuff Blanc promotes, but as many groups point out its unfair to judge them by the actions of a tiny minority (in this case one))

eviltwin wrote: »

So get help from a professional for your lack of confidence, negative body language or whatever it is that's holding you back. Going to a dating coach is a waste of money and reeks of desperation.

All professional in this space means is 'makes a living from it' which pua gurus do very well. Given that standards around who can call themselves a therapist are at best ropey internationally I doubt theyre any worse than some of the alternatives. I know that up to a few years ago in Ireland (don't know if its changed) the rules around being able to set up as a therapist were very loose

eviltwin

newmug wrote: »

Here missus, whats wrong with that? Not getting sex when your balls feel like Chernobyl can do that to a fella! And emotionally pushing someone away only makes it worse. This is the age of "look after your mental health"! If you come across a fella who "reeks of desperation" as you put it, don't reject him! Try and set him up with one of your friends! (Hint: Usually the one who cant get a man, the curvy one, there's one in every female group of friends!)

I like my friends too much to set them up with someone who is just gagging for the ride or desperate for a girlfriend. I don't expect men or women to be experts at picking someone up but just be yourself, talk to the person you like, don't play games or try and impress them with some trick you learnt from a dating coach. That goes equally to women too. I've been out with women desperate for a man and it just puts people off, you can when someone is that way. Its not appealing and I wouldn't blame anyone for passing it by.

eviltwin

orubiru wrote: »

That's a pretty interesting statement.

Surely "learning to pull" can either be done by trial and error or by sitting down and "studying" how that kind of social interaction works then trying to put that into practice?

It's not like we pop into existence fully prepared to interact successfully with other people?

PUA is weird, weird, stuff but I suppose that's what happens when a bunch of people who are maybe not the best in social situations band together and say "OK, let's try to figure this out".

Your comment is like saying "don't try to fix your problems, if you need to try or learn then you don't deserve that things you want from life".

Presumably, us lads should just go to our school/college/office, pick out the girl we want to spend the rest of our lives with and then go get her?

In a situation where I would like to get better at something what is your alternative to learning how to do that thing?

Keep reading the thread. I clarified that I was talking about anyone who thinks the answer to their problem is some quack dating "expert". If there are genuine issues that are holding you back when it comes to relationships by all means sort them out but don't expect a guy like this to be the answer you are looking for.

Grayson

orubiru wrote: »

This is a brilliant post and I wish that more people who would get into PUA, psychics, life coaching or stuff like that would get more advice like this from folks like yourself.

People are happy enough giving hundreds, even thousands, of bucks to these guys when they would be able to get decent professional care for the same price.

PUA should really only be seen as "entertainment". Some of it (SOME of it!!!) can be a bit of fun in the club on an night out if you don't take it too seriously. Choking random women or just annoying them in general is not on though.

There is no such thing as a psychic.

Coaches are different. They may have value based on qualifications and experience. It all depends on the actual person doing the coaching. I'm sure plenty are scam artists, but I can't say all of them are.

However every single person who says they are a psychic is a liar.

Grayson

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'd only love to engage in a sensible discussion, but you're not off to a great start when you're proclaiming the virtues of an entertainment act above professional psychological and psychiatric care.

Are you saying that someone who's ok in every possible way but is just useless at chatting up women needs to see a psychologist or even a psychiatrist?

Would you say the same about someone who read a book or attended a class on interview technique?

super_furry

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/nov/07/protesters-force-us-pick-up-artist-julien-blanc-to-quit-australian-tour

Good to see that the creepy abuser has had his visa cancelled and been thrown out of Australia. Can't see how any sane person could defend him.

wes

How is this guy not in prison? Really creepy and likely criminal behavior imho.

WinnyThePoo

I get my missus to choke me, but only in an erotic sense.

dark crystal

Awful bang of Frank TJ Mackey off that guy...

Respect the co*k. Tame the cu*t.

One eyed Jack

Grayson wrote: »

Are you saying that someone who's ok in every possible way but is just useless at chatting up women needs to see a psychologist or even a psychiatrist?

Would you say the same about someone who read a book or attended a class on interview technique?

Well when they're not OK in every possible way, are they?

Interview techniques aren't even comparable to talking to the opposite sex in an informal capacity.

humanji

MOD: Folks, can we get back to the actual topic instead of what you think of PUAs in general.

orubiru

Grayson wrote: »

There is no such thing as a psychic.

Coaches are different. They may have value based on qualifications and experience. It all depends on the actual person doing the coaching. I'm sure plenty are scam artists, but I can't say all of them are.

However every single person who says they are a psychic is a liar.

Dammit! Sorry, I meant to write it as "psychic".

I know that there is no such thing.

humanji

orubiru, I'm not going to say it again.

The_Captain

orubiru wrote: »

PUA comes across as a sneaky weasel way to "cheat" the system. That's why people don't like it.

No mate, I don't like it because it teaches perfectly normal guys to treat women like dirt. It uses faux psychology to justify misogyny. It advocates using tactics/methods to get women that are, let's be honest, very very rapey.

I'd rather see women treated as equal human beings and respected than isolated and manipulated into sex

AndonHandon

Once it isn't criminal then let the boys play; just because they won't respect women is not for others to judge.

orubiru

humanji wrote: »

orubiru, I'm not going to say it again.

Apologies, I did not see your initial post, was typing. Sorry!

PopePalpatine

I'm just wondering how he's not been charged with sexual assault yet, if he's grabbing women and holding them to his crotch.

Links234

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/community/2014/11/05/voices/lets-ensure-happy-returns-japan-vile-dating-coach/#.VFyo3sr1t0J

Yeah, seriously needs to be in prison

Rubberchikken

doesn't he just sound like every woman's dream:eek:

if what he's doing is actually true, the lad is one nut short of a visit from men in white coats.

Doctor Jimbob

Grayson wrote: »

No it doesn't. It teaches how social interactions operate. It teaches how a conversation opens, flows and continues. It shows how to remedy an awkward pause or recover if you say something stupid. It shows how to tell a joke. It's pretty much showing how to be the best, most interesting person you can be, when talking to a member of the opposite sex.

It teaches how to manipulate social interactions to ones own wants, you mean. How to make interactions mechanical rather than (and I hate to use this cliche but dammit it fits) being yourself. All of the positives you list there can be obtained in better, healthier ways than turning to the seedy PUA community.

The guy in the OP is the exception. Advocating violence in PUA is probably rarer than it is in real life. That's because walking up to a woman and choking/slapping her is probably one of the worst opening lines a guy could use.

I'll agree with this, using the guy mentioned as a stick to beat all PUA types with is over the top.

I'm amazed by the attitude of some people in this thread. Obviously lying to a woman to get sex is wrong, but that's not was PUA is. People who lie to women can also use PUA but PUA is not about lying. It's just about how to be a fun person that women want to talk to.

Isn't it though? Anything I've read on the topic (and I'll admit to researching the stuff quite a bit a few days ago during an erm...barren spell :pac:) certainly seems to dehumanise women to at least some extent, and make it into a numbers game; where there target is racking up 'approaches' rather than building something healthy with anyone you meet. If you look over the material and just take out the good bits you mention then great, more power to you. There are healthier ways to get these benefits though, that don't have a veneer of manipulation.

But people think that any guy who wants to learn social skills is a scumbag. I can only assume it's got something to do with looking down on people. they seem to want a nice guy who's bad at talking to women, to sit at home alone. God help him if he actually reads a book or watches a youtube video to get some tips. He should know his place. He needs to see a psychologist and he should should be ashamed of himself. Doesn't he realise that we're better than him and he should stay that way?

Massive strawman. I don't think anyone thinks what you claim in your opening sentence there. Plenty of people, however, don't think PUA is a healthy way of learning social skills. That is an entirely different thing. Can I ask why you see visiting a psychologist to improve social skills as worse than reading the inane ramblings of some internet douchebag? Alarm bells always start ringing for me when I see the term nice guy used in this kind of context as well. It rarely seems to refer to actually nice guys.

It's not like there's not tons of dating advice out there anyway. There have been dating books for women for years. "How to get/keep/seduce your man" Glossy magazines telling women "What men really like". They run fashion sections on "How to get noticed by him" (yeah, I've been stuck in a dentists waiting room).

I don't think they;re quite comparable, although I wouldn't really agree with these things myself either. You're equating all dating advice for women with a very specific subset of dating advice for men that a lot of people have an issue with.

People have approached friends and asked for advice (And they're not even qualified to give advice :eek:). They've even written to agony aunts.
Are the people who asked friends or read articles in Cosmo scum?

It's a weird and very hysterical over reaction.

In your opinion.

Edit: I should probably add that I'm definitely not the kind of person who only looks down on this kind of thing because I don't 'need' it. My track record with the opposite sex is sporadic, to put it kindly. I'd rather spend my life alone than resort to seedy manipulation though.

nyarlothothep

I don't read much about it so I'm probably open to correction but it seems like this PUA stuff is about putting on a mask, the conversation topics just seem pointless and boring like strategic small talk with pre-defined objectives. I dunno, if the goal is to get laid meh because basically if the guy has no connection or any way to relate to the woman then what's the point? Why pretend to be something you're not? I dunno, it seems like one dons the garb of the cookie cutter ideal boyfriend approved by mainstream Western pop culture by playing up to these expectations, ie fun, witty, with a small measure of 'bad boy'. I don't profess to understand it but it seems better just to talk about what you like and not pretend to be this guy that society thinks is the ideal, if you're not like that to begin with, in other words have some pride in yourself and fck society if it thinks you're reserved, quiet, a nerd or even shy! etc. Of course that means no girlfriends for the most part as most people just go with the flow and have mainstream interests but it also means one may at least have a real relationship without expending all this energy into pretending or artifice. So it seems PUA just plays upon sexual frustration and sense that all else has failed so this is the only way to go. But I would still say have some dignity and pride, be true to oneself and authentic and give two fingers to anyone who thinks you ought to be someone else.

The_Captain

What's with all the one post wonders registering today to talk about how great these pick up losers are?

Doctor Jimbob

Johntops wrote: »

So you can just walk up to beautiful women sober without any nervousness stifling your personality? Good for you, most men can't.

No, of course not. I would have thought it was obvious my reply was a tad tongue in cheek. The thing is though, this PUA crap doesn't help anyone be themselves either. As nyarlothothep put it; it's like putting on a mask.

Grayson

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Massive strawman. I don't think anyone thinks what you claim in your opening sentence there. Plenty of people, however, don't think PUA is a healthy way of learning social skills. That is an entirely different thing. Can I ask why you see visiting a psychologist to improve social skills as worse than reading the inane ramblings of some internet douchebag? Alarm bells always start ringing for me when I see the term nice guy used in this kind of context as well. It rarely seems to refer to actually nice guys.

I'll respond to the rest later (I'm about to grab lunch) but there's been a few ones here. For example...

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Everytime I hear the term PUA I think "what a gigantic dickhead" funnily enough, every person I have ever met who uses this manipulative nonsense has been a gigantic dickhead. Go figure.

there were a couple of others but i can't find them now. I think they've been removed.

Grayson

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well when they're not OK in every possible way, are they?

they are comparable. They're both social interactions. One is definitely more formal, but they are still the very similar. When you prepare for an interview you prepare pre-scripted answers. You have "bits" that you do.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Interview techniques aren't even comparable to talking to the opposite sex in an informal capacity.

If someone has a personality disorder or something like that then they should look up professional help. Obviously the solution for someone who has social difficulties from say autism isn't to go to a PUA coach. No-one at all, in this thread or any other that I've seen, has ever suggested that.

PUA is about teaching skills. Not everyone is going to be good at talking to members of the opposite sex. It's something that causes stress and confusion to both genders.

bodice ripper

All we need is one woman with presence of mind, good teeth, and a thin pair of trousers on yer man...

newmug

eviltwin wrote: »

I like my friends too much to set them up with someone who is just gagging for the ride or desperate for a girlfriend.................


I've been out with women desperate for a man and it just puts people off, you can sense when someone is that way. Its not appealing and I wouldn't blame anyone for passing it by.

No missus. People who reject others, are just afraid they'll be brought down by the desperate person. Its a real sign of insecurity. Its as if they're just one step above desperation themselves, and they're afraid they'll somehow "catch" it.


Sound people don't reject. They embrace. And by giving, they in turn receive far more than they give. This is a good general rule to live by in life, not just in terms of dating.