Silk Road 2 takedown / Irish arrests

Yurt2

Feds and Europol takedown the latest incarnation of the Silk Road.

Corresponding raid in Dublin seizing a quarter of a million worth of drugs.
Gardai haven't yet released details but the FBI indicate the operation in Dublin according to Wired.

Shady stuff this Silk Road business.

http://www.wired.com/2014/11/feds-seize-silk-road-2

AndonHandon

It's inevitable that anonymity on the internet will lead to organised crime. Unfortunately there should be no anonymity on the net as the dangers outweigh the benefits.

Lapin

AndonHandon wrote: »

It's inevitable that anonymity on the internet will lead to organised crime. Unfortunately there should be no anonymity on the net as the dangers outweigh the benefits.

Says AndonHandon.

raze_them_all_

AndonHandon wrote: »

It's inevitable that anonymity on the internet will lead to organised crime. Unfortunately there should be no anonymity on the net as the dangers outweigh the benefits.

Get the **** out, anonymity should be on the internet.

AndonHandon

Lapin wrote: »

Says AndonHandon.

Don't hate the player.

shruikan2553

AndonHandon wrote: »

It's inevitable that anonymity on the internet will lead to organised crime. Unfortunately there should be no anonymity on the net as the dangers outweigh the benefits.

People aren't as anonymous online as they think

Yurt2

If they've seized the site and are making arrests of dealers, one must wonder do they have the identities of all the users of the Silk Road mk.2?

Ordering that bag o' weed or pills may have seemed a good idea at the time, but there must be some sweaty palms out there now wondering what the authorities know.

CrazyRabbit

AndonHandon wrote: »

It's inevitable that anonymity on the internet will lead to organised crime. Unfortunately there should be no anonymity on the net as the dangers outweigh the benefits.

You should try get a job with the Chinese Internet Police. They'd like you.

CrazyRabbit

shruikan2553 wrote: »

People aren't as anonymous online as they think

You are so right.

P.S. You look so peaceful when sleeping.

mikeyjames9

Yurt! wrote: »

If they've seized the site and are making arrests of dealers, one must wonder do they have the identities of all the users of the Silk Road mk.2?

Ordering that bag o' weed or pills may have seemed a good idea at the time, but there must be some sweaty palms out there now wondering what the authorities know.

Doubt they'd be interested in users
Best thing they can do is legalise weed
It's really weird how the Conservative USA is in before Europe on this

JasperGeorge.

The dark web is becoming the biggest mouse trap there is. If you think they are not watching that's when you let your guard down.

_Brian

Yurt! wrote: »

Feds and Europol takedown the latest incarnation of the Silk Road.

Corresponding raid in Dublin seizing a quarter of a million worth of drugs.
Gardai haven't yet released details but the FBI indicate the operation in Dublin according to Wired.

Shady stuff this Silk Road business.

http://www.wired.com/2014/11/feds-seize-silk-road-2

Feckrs operating here just for the "Double Irish" tax breaks.

nelly17

JasperGeorge. wrote: »

The dark web is becoming the biggest mouse trap there is. If you think they are not watching that's when you let your guard down.

Yeah but its labour intensive - its not like they can just get a court order for log files and round em up.

pragmatic1

SR 2 isn't even anywhere near the biggest "Dark Net" site. There's dozens of them with much more sophisticated security measures.

renegademaster

Yurt! wrote: »

Ordering that bag o' weed or pills may have seemed a good idea at the time, but there must be some sweaty palms out there now wondering what the authorities know.

so do you want to elaborate on what the state is going to do?

lolz

whats newxt

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LovelySpuds

Any idea as to how they got caught?

flutered

if fg legalised weed, they would be no need for the cock up that is iw.

KomradeBishop

The Silk Road and the Silk Road 2 both claimed to be social experiments in free market libertarianism rather than mere money-making ventures. Both banned all contraband that wasn’t considered “victimless,” and their pseudonymous administrators posted lofty political statements. “You are writing history with every item purchased here,” read a message posted to the Silk Road 2’s homepage. “Silk Road is not a marketplace. Silk Road is a global revolt. The idea of freedom is immortal.”

The complaint also traces Benthall’s proceeds from his alleged management of the Silk Road 2′s bustling sales. Law enforcement officials found that he used a bitcoin exchange to cash out $273,626 between Silk Road 2′s creation in November of last year and October of this year. About $70,000 of that money went towards a down payment on a $127,000 Tesla Model S.

http://www.wired.com/2014/11/feds-seize-silk-road-2

Haha, good example of Libertarian doublespeak - 'mere money-making venture'? Surely not. Also does a good job of showing how the meaning behind 'free markets', is typically 'beyond or without laws', when it suits those promoting it.

AndonHandon

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

You should try get a job with the Chinese Internet Police. They'd like you.

To not agree with disallowing anonymity is to completely under-appreciate the modern day internet which has become so intertwined in our modern day lives that it is arguable that the lines between 'real life' and the internet no longer exist.

It is time the law got with the times.

Its Only Ray Parlour

AndonHandon wrote: »

To not agree with disallowing anonymity is to completely under-appreciate the modern day internet which has become so intertwined in our modern day lives that it is arguable that the lines between 'real life' and the internet no longer exist.

It is time the law got with the times.

Why don't you get the ball rolling by using your real name for your username instead of a pseudonym?

AndonHandon

Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »

Why don't you get the ball rolling by using your real name for your username instead of a pseudonym?

I don't think that's how it will work, maybe think harder if you can?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AndonHandon wrote: »

To not agree with disallowing anonymity is to completely under-appreciate the modern day internet which has become so intertwined in our modern day lives that it is arguable that the lines between 'real life' and the internet no longer exist.

It is time the law got with the times.

Why not just shut down the entire internet? That's the only way to be 100% safe.

Its Only Ray Parlour

AndonHandon wrote: »

I don't think that's how it will work, maybe think harder if you can?

Why don't you enlighten me? If you can succeed where many governments have failed, I would very intrigued to hear your ideas, assuming you have any.

I also don't see the point of you choosing a pseudonym for your username when you're against online anonymity.

mikom

Anonandon

PopePalpatine

AndonHandon wrote: »

I don't think that's how it will work, maybe think harder if you can?

Sure it can, just close your current account and sign up with a new account under your real name.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AndonHandon wrote: »

I don't think that's how it will work, maybe think harder if you can?

Subscribe.

Grayson

AndonHandon wrote: »

To not agree with disallowing anonymity is to completely under-appreciate the modern day internet which has become so intertwined in our modern day lives that it is arguable that the lines between 'real life' and the internet no longer exist.

It is time the law got with the times.

You mean like arresting the operators of the silk road (1 & 2) and shutting them down?

If only that were possible. DAMN YOU PRIVACY! Now it'll take old fashioned police work.

PopePalpatine

AndonHandon wrote: »

To not agree with disallowing anonymity is to completely under-appreciate the modern day internet which has become so intertwined in our modern day lives that it is arguable that the lines between 'real life' and the internet no longer exist.

It is time the law got with the times.

The King of Saudi Arabia, Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin are on their way to thank your post.

Son Of A Vidic

PopePalpatine wrote: »

The American backed King of Saudi Arabia, Kim Jong-un and Vladimir Putin are on their way to thank your post.

Fyp.

Iwasfrozen

The internet is the last refuge for criminals of our age and governments in the near future are going to have to work towards new technologies and legislation to bring it under control.

Anonymity has one too far and gives people an easy mask yo hide behind to break the law.

catallus

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The internet is the last refuge for criminals of our age

:rolleyes: There's this guy down the road from me that headbutts people all the bloody time!? He doesn't even have a broadband subscription!

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

and governments in the near future are going to have to work towards new technologies and legislation to bring it under control.

Anonymity has one too far and gives people an easy mask yo hide behind to break the law.

This bit is true.

whats newxt

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The internet is the last refuge for criminals of our age and governments in the near future are going to have to work towards new technologies and legislation to bring it under control.

Anonymity has one too far and gives people an easy mask yo hide behind to break the law.

Why don't you post your full name and address and all your login passwords here? You don't have anything to hide right?

Iwasfrozen

whats newxt wrote: »

Why don't you post your full name and address and all your login passwords here? You don't have anything to hide right?

Make it so everyone has give their full name and I will give mine.

sheesh

If you are not looking at what america security agencies are doing at the moment have a look at this

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/united-states-of-secrets/the-frontline-interview-diane-roark/

its pbs so I am assuming this is a reasonably reliable source.

you need anonimity

catallus

sheesh wrote: »

you need anonimity

Yeah, for all the lovely crime!!!

tony007

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

You should try get a job with the Chinese Internet Police. They'd like you.

Or the NSA

PopePalpatine

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The internet is the last refuge for criminals of our age and governments in the near future are going to have to work towards new technologies and legislation to bring it under control.

Anonymity has one too far and gives people an easy mask yo hide behind to break the law.

Yes, I'm sure these governments will be quite benevolent in their management of the Internet. :rolleyes:

catallus

It takes a certain kind of asocial nihilism to truly believe that the rights of criminals outweigh the public good.

Iwasfrozen

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Yes, I'm sure these governments will be quite benevolent in their management of the Internet. :rolleyes:

Some will, some won't, it doesn't change the fact it has to (and is going to) happen.

PopePalpatine

catallus wrote: »

It takes a certain kind of asocial nihilism to truly believe that the rights of criminals outweigh the public good.

*yawn*

It was only just over 20 years ago where being homosexual was enough to be a "criminal". I suppose that in the interests of the public good, the Catholic Church will release every letter it has concerning clerical abuse?

PopePalpatine

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Some will, some won't, it doesn't change the fact it has to (and is going to) happen.

Why does it HAVE TO happen, and how will this censored Internet of yours be implemented?

Besides, such a censored Internet doesn't seem like the actions of a small government to me...or is your form of libertarianism just about pure selfishness?

jimgoose

Fair play to Sgt. Gobnait O'Knobjockey of Belmullet Garda Station on cracking the 512-bit onion-routing encryption. The slight eccentricity detected in Earth's orbit by NASA this morning has been attributed to one Seymour R. Cray spinning in his grave.

catallus

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Why does it HAVE TO happen, and how will this censored Internet of yours be implemented?

It has to happen, pope, because it is an avenue for criminals and philistines to threaten our way of life. Can you genuinely not see that? That the forces of evil will use the blessed gift of the web against the better nature of man? Even apart from the pederasts and drug-dealers, just take the amount of financial crime carried out daily by unscrupulous shysters; should they be allowed continue their nefarious ways just so anyone can wear a mask?

jimgoose

madforthebike wrote: »

Any idea as to how they got caught?

They're fcukan stupid, like most criminals.

jimgoose

catallus wrote: »

It has to happen, pope, because it is an avenue for criminals and philistines to threaten our way of life. Can you genuinely not see that? That the forces of evil will use the blessed gift of the web against the better nature of man? Even apart from the pederasts and drug-dealers, just take the amount of financial crime carried out daily by unscrupulous shysters; should they be allowed continue their nefarious ways just so anyone can wear a mask?

I agree. Close the high-street banks now.

shruikan2553

You would think people dont buy drugs or do other illegal things in real life. There are plenty of countries which try to control the internet, they also happen to be the same countries that limit media and what can or cant be said about the government. Something we should all aspire to.

Cantremember

After Snowden only a fool would believe that there is anything anonymous on the net. I like quoting Putin on this: the Internet was a CIA project from the start. To Fort Meade the dark net is standing in broad daylight.

jimgoose

Cantremember wrote: »

After Snowden only a fool would believe that there is anything anonymous on the net. I like quoting Putin on this: the Internet was a CIA project from the start. To Fort Meade the dark net is standing in broad daylight.

I prefer the likes of John Gilmore to ex-KGB bully-boys: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

Tiddlypeeps

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Some will, some won't, it doesn't change the fact it has to (and is going to) happen.

Not really interested in getting into a debate about how little regard you have for personal privacy so i'll ignore the "has to happen" part.

The "is going to happen" bit is what grabbed me, anyone who makes that statement has no idea how the internet works. Governments can pass all the laws they like, but it means nothing if they can't actually implement it.

catallus

Why couldn't they implement it? It's just telephone connections!