Public floggings for dog owners in Iran.

Grayson

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

You seem to be neglecting to mention the Shah as the US's puppet, ruling Iran with terror and with rights only for those with privilege.
The revolution was a popular one, same as the one in Cuba.
The regimes be themselves become incredibly corrupt but the fault lies with other states interfering in a countries government for their own ends.
And I don't think there are many that see Shia as a protestant sect, hope your tinfoil hat isn't too tight!

When the revolution occurred the interim government had liberals and academics in it. The two things that gave the Mullahs more influence were US interference and a horrific war with Iraq.

Grayson

Volvoair wrote: »

what else would you expect from these backward tea towel wearing idiots?
these are the same cutns that stone people to death. women have their legs tied together ,then they have their hands tied behind their backs. they are then buried waist deep into a hole so they cant escape, their heads covered with a white sheet/rag. then they are pelted with rocks, until their skulls are smashed to pieces, by these total and utter scum of the planet.

Don't hold back there Mr Farage.

sbsquarepants

Rabbo wrote: »

You get 100 lashes just for being gay and 80 lashes for drinking alcohol so I wouldn't think persecution for owning a dog is the worst aspect of Iran law

I'd imagine they take a dim view of drunken gay doggystyle then:D

sbsquarepants

Grayson wrote: »

When the revolution occurred the interim government had liberals and academics in it. The two things that gave the Mullahs more influence were US interference and a horrific war with Iraq.

Religion and lack of education is a horrific combination anywhere in the world.

shruikan2553

Its good that religion is providing them with morals. Without it people would be at risk of living their life in piece.

FTA69

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Fr Ali Khamenei sees himself as a self-styled pope in charge of a breakaway of a breakaway protestant Christian sect called Shia and he also is the Shah in all but name and is strongly aligned to the military whom he fronts for. His religion is meant to be based on the teachings of god the father, Moses, Jesus and first protestant prophet Mohammed. But he does not follow any of their teachings and instead fronts for a regime more influenced by Hitler, Stalin and other such cult dictators. Iran is a very historical country. To visit and stay out of politics is rewarding. Irish people generally do not have a problem there and the regime are very fond of the IRA (especially dissident Republicans and the Sands family). Irish rebel songs are among the music styles endorsed by the regime. The regime albeit officially anti-West sides with and aids and abets the West on the qt much like they sell overpriced alcohol that blinds people too.

Every time there's a thread on the Middle East you come in with these long rambling posts, written in this knowledgeable and quasi-educational tone. In reality, more often than not you're talking complete and utter nonsense.

Iran is a haven for dissident Republicans and they listen to the Wolfe Tones? Shia Islam is a breakaway of Christianity? You haven't a bull's notion about what you're talking about and I'd wager you've never been to the Middle East in your life. Utter sh*te.

elefant

colossus-x wrote: »

You only get 100 lashes for being gay in Iran? Blimey.

100 lashes sounds pretty grim!

Homosexuals in Iran are also pressured into having sex-change operations. If someone is homosexual it is considered they are just trapped inside the wrong body. Iran, surprisingly, has the second highest rate of sex-reassignment surgery in the world after Thailand. It's horribly backwards stuff.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29832690

whisky_galore

Iran, putting the 'fun' back into 'fundamental'.

biko

Those Iranian rascals, what will they think of next?

BeerWolf

Why is dog ownership considered a "Western" thing, considering humans have domesticated and had dogs for many millennias throughout the world?


Nation trying to be completely independent, this is so incredibly pathetic to say the least...

BuilderPlumber

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

You seem to be neglecting to mention the Shah as the US's puppet, ruling Iran with terror and with rights only for those with privilege.
The revolution was a popular one, same as the one in Cuba.
The regimes be themselves become incredibly corrupt but the fault lies with other states interfering in a countries government for their own ends.
And I don't think there are many that see Shia as a protestant sect, hope your tinfoil hat isn't too tight!

The Shah (Pahlavi) regime was definitely not a good regime either. Yes, it was a US puppet (at least until the 1970s when it started getting independent hence why the US did nothing to protect it). Pahlavi's regime had contempt for the poor but at the very least did not pretend to care a fig for them. The current regime pretends to be on the side of the poor and its leadership pretends to be poor too but live it up in reality. Palaces, fine wine, caviar, specially made clothing and even drugs are all part of their lifestyle: no different to what the Pahlavis were doing. Or the Al Sauds across the water.

The 1979 revolution indeed was popular and was much more besides a gang of heavies hiding behind an elderly priest to turn Iran into a gangster state. The Iranian people wanted a republic based on the rule of law and they wanted freedom and equal distribution of wealth. Instead, they got a regime that manipulated the poor via voodooism and then took out all moderate opposition to it and pretty much continued on as a monarchy cum military dictatorship hidden behind voodoosim. Out of favour were Pahlavi people and their cronies. Now, elitist priests, Revolutionary Guards, pro-regime Bazaars, etc. became the new elite and the people continued to get a reign of terror.

Of course, Iran's current fascist-infected regime did not get there on its own. Pahlavi's was fascist too and the current regime copied a lot of their enemy's tactics as that was what they knew of. Saddam's invasion (the Iran v Iraq war being a Western (and USSR too!) bonanza for arms dealing and keeping 2 potential superpowers (one thing US and USSR agreed on was keeping other superpowers out of the club!) locked into a never ending war) radicalised the regime and gave the Rev Guards a legitimacy they would not have otherwise. Western threats like Axis of Evil in 2002 sank the hopes of moderates like Khatami and saw the rise of Abadgaran and other nationalist movements. Etc. Etc.

As regards Shia: people DO need to know that Islam is not some alien, primitive, unintelligent pagan religion. I have great respect for REAL Islam. Now, Islam came off of Christianity (it was the first movement to break away from it) and has high regard for Jesus as a prophet. Shia in turn came off of Sunni Islam as a breakaway and thus the Islamic equivalent of protestantism. Now, Islam was the moderate enlightened force in the Middle Ages when Christians were burning people at the stake. We do need to differentiate between Islam and so-called 'Islamic terror' and 'Islamic fascism'. These movements are as warped as Hitler's or Pol Pot's ideas of nationalism and socialism or indeed the Ferdinand and Isabella view of Christianity. All combine voodooism (primitive cultlike religion) and/or personality cult (useful for atheist regimes like Pol Pot's) with violence.

Meathlass

Islam has nothing to do with Christianity though they recognize Jesus as a prophet.

More accurate to say that both Christianity and Islam have their roots in the Abrahamic religious tradition like Judiasm. They are fundamentally different to more eastern religions like Buddism and Hinduism.

I'm not sure you can equate Shia to Protestantism. I actually thing there's more ideological differences between Catholics and Protestants than between Shia and Sunni which were created from a split over who should lead the religion after Mohammed's death.

In saying all that, Iran is a fantastic place to visit and much misunderstood.

FTA69

Now, Islam came off of Christianity (it was the first movement to break away from it) and has high regard for Jesus as a prophet.

No it didn't. Christianity is the belief that Jesus the embodiment of God on Earth and his word is passed on via the Gospels etc. Islam was the creation of Muhammad who previous to this was a member of the Quraysh tribe who were of a pagan persuasion. Muhammad drew inspiration from the Abrahamic religions like Christianity and Judaism but at no point were Muslims or the people who preceded them Christians. Likewise the Shia aren't the "Protestants of Islam", if anything they favour more succession along the lines of bloodline and hierarchy and are based on the perceived successors of the Prophet. There's no comparison.

You're simply ripping stuff off Wikipedia or something and firing it all together in a hodge-podge of nonsense.

Nodin

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

The Shah (............) with violence.

Do you have a source re your comment about the regime selling alcohol?

biko

Maybe we'll see a new jihadist group soon "dogo haram"..