The amount of misogyny on boards these days is frightening.*Mod instruction in OP*

SparkySpitfire

Over the past 2 weeks or so, there have been numerous threads where I've read (not necessarily posted in) and threads where I've seen scary amounts of misogyny (No I won't give examples, there's no need to start pointing fingers).

Now before anything else, I'm not saying every man on boards.ie is a dirty misogynist and they should be burnt at the stake! :mad:

It's only a small proportion of people, and that includes women too. What's scary is the amount of normal people who just drop these seemingly innocuous statements, that have such ugliness behind them.

What I want to know is, where are your wives? Your sisters? Your daughters? Your mothers? Your grandmothers? Your nieces? Your best friends?

When you make this statements against women, you're not thinking about them. You're thinking about those "other" women, those "other" women who only want to make trouble. But the reality is, when you make sweeping statements like "women these days pah"* there is no difference between those women and those you know and love.

It scares me that so many people out there have this below the surface dislike (I won't say hate) of women and when you're online and anonymous behind your computers or your phones, you feel its okay to make these statements. Why? Would you say these things in front of the women you love and respect in your life without a hint of embarrassment or guilt?


*Not an actual comment I've come across; just an example




Mod

Making sexist jokes in a thread highlighting an issue with misogyny isn't clever and against the charter. Expect infractions over the next while.

Just because you don't see something, doesn't mean it isn't happening. It is easy to miss things not directed at you.

The jokes stop here, if you want to discuss the issue at hand do so. You can agree or disagree but for God's sake be open minded enough to LISTEN to the people who it affects.

Valetta

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Over the past 2 weeks or so, there have been numerous threads where I've read (not necessarily posted in) and threads where I've seen scary amounts of misogyny (No I won't give examples, there's no need to start pointing fingers).

Now before anything else, I'm not saying every man on boards.ie is a dirty misogynist and they should be burnt at the stake! :mad:

It's only a small proportion of people, and that includes women too. What's scary is the amount of normal people who just drop these seemingly innocuous statements, that have such ugliness behind them.

What I want to know is, where are your wives? Your sisters? Your daughters? Your mothers? Your grandmothers? Your nieces? Your best friends?

When you make this statements against women, you're not thinking about them. You're thinking about those "other" women, those "other" women who only want to make trouble. But the reality is, when you make sweeping statements like "women these days pah"* there is no difference between those women and those you know and love.

It scares me that so many people out there have this below the surface dislike (I won't say hate) of women and when you're online and anonymous behind your computers or your phones, you feel its okay to make these statements. Why? Would you say these things in front of the women you love and respect in your life without a hint of embarrassment or guilt?


*Not an actual comment I've come across; just an example

Any examples?

Links234

I've certainly noticed the place getting much nastier lately, it's more than a bit worrying.

the evasion_kid

“Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.”


― H.L. Mencken

The_Valeyard

Where is this taking place and is this another take on gamersgate?


I have not seen this on boards or maybe ive been in the wrong / right threads.

Frank Lee Midere

It's all very well starting these threads OP but who's making the tea?

Fr_Dougal

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Over the past 2 weeks or so, there have been numerous threads where I've read (not necessarily posted in) and threads where I've seen scary amounts of misogyny (No I won't give examples, there's no need to start pointing fingers).

Now before anything else, I'm not saying every man on boards.ie is a dirty misogynist and they should be burnt at the stake! :mad:

It's only a small proportion of people, and that includes women too. What's scary is the amount of normal people who just drop these seemingly innocuous statements, that have such ugliness behind them.

What I want to know is, where are your wives? Your sisters? Your daughters? Your mothers? Your grandmothers? Your nieces? Your best friends?

When you make this statements against women, you're not thinking about them. You're thinking about those "other" women, those "other" women who only want to make trouble. But the reality is, when you make sweeping statements like "women these days pah"* there is no difference between those women and those you know and love.

It scares me that so many people out there have this below the surface dislike (I won't say hate) of women and when you're online and anonymous behind your computers or your phones, you feel its okay to make these statements. Why? Would you say these things in front of the women you love and respect in your life without a hint of embarrassment or guilt?


*Not an actual comment I've come across; just an example

What happened when you reported the posts? You did report them, didn't you? I mean it would be pointless to create a thread here now and not report the offending posts? Otherwise people would think you're soapboxing.

Macavity.

Haven't noticed it in AH, maybe in tGC a bit. Life goes on.

Holsten

Examples needed.

Interstellar cellar

Links234 wrote: »

I've certainly noticed the place getting much nastier lately, it's more than a bit worrying.

You need your head examined if you worry about the content of Internet forums.

SparkySpitfire

TheZohan wrote: »

What happened when you reported the posts? You did report them, didn't you? I mean it would be pointless to create a thread here now and not report the offending posts? Otherwise people would think you're soapboxing.

If I were to report every post I found misogynistic in nature the mods would be inundated and I'd be banned for pestering them. I did report one or two and they were dealt with though.

SparkySpitfire

Interstellar cellar wrote: »

You need your head examine if you worry about the content of Internet forums.

Internet forums are not populated by robots though, these are real people with real opinions.

Cantremember

This is AH so nothing is safe except what the mods say is safe ( bow, grovel, tugs forelock, yes m'lud) but true misogyny is despicable. If there's a deflation of pompous self regarding Beyoncé "run the world" type ****e , good; if there are attacks on the reverse sexism of rabid feminist fundamentalism, good. But hating women because they're women is twisted thinking.

J Mysterio

I think you're seeing what you want to see OP.

SparkySpitfire

Valetta wrote: »

Any examples?

You want me to name and shame people? Why don't you have a look for yourself or maybe just discuss the topic at hand?

DemocAnarchis

This reads like one of those vaguely passive-aggressive Facebook statuses. Some kind of detail is needed or this thread is pointless.

GLaDOS

Links234 wrote: »

I've certainly noticed the place getting much nastier lately, it's more than a bit worrying.

I think people (that is, a nasty minority of them) are getting called out on it more, which leads to them becoming more vocal as they feel their views are being persecuted.

Fr_Dougal

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

If I were to report every post I found misogynistic in nature the mods would be inundated and I'd be banned for pestering them. I did report one or two and they were dealt with though.

You wouldn't, you'd be helping the mods. Mods appreciate it when posters report posts that are against the charter.

There's no point in creating a melodramatic thread if you're not willing to report posts.

wazky

Interstellar cellar wrote: »

You need your head examine if you worry about the content of Internet forums.

Absolutely, if you get upset over the content of things on the internet you need to reevaluate your priorities.

The_Valeyard

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

If I were to report every post I found misogynistic in nature the mods would be inundated and I'd be banned for pestering them. I did report one or two and they were dealt with though.

I doubt you would be banned for reporting a a post you found misogynistic. Although that's not to say the mods will always agree with you.

What you may find misogynistic is not what others may necessarily agree with.

RDM_83 again

If you disregard any poster with less than 50 posts has it got any worse?

Also
Disliking 3rd Wave Feminism ≠ Misogyny

I've noticed a worrying trend on boards of people insisting that the sky is green. I'm not going to give any examples though.

SparkySpitfire

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

This reads like one of those vaguely passive-aggressive Facebook statuses. Some kind of detail is needed or this thread is pointless.

It might be another charter I'm getting confused with but I thought you weren't allowed give out about particular posters or threads?

I think some people don't see it because it wouldn't apply to them so they wouldn't notice it as much.

wazky

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

You want me to name and shame people? Why don't you have a look for yourself or maybe just discuss the topic at hand?

You brought up.the issue, you could at least give some examples.

smcgiff

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Internet forums are not populated by robots though, these are real people with real opinions.

Still no examples...

Interstellar cellar

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Internet forums are not populated by robots though, these are real people with real opinions.

People posting opinions on the Internet isn't really something to worry about, for a start people are much more extreme on the Internet than in real life.

RDM_83 again

RDM_83 again wrote: »

If you disregard any poster with less than 50 posts has it got any worse?

Aye that's about the height of it.

smcgiff

smcgiff wrote: »

Still no examples...

Stop mansplaining.

Roquentin

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Over the past 2 weeks or so, there have been numerous threads where I've read (not necessarily posted in) and threads where I've seen scary amounts of misogyny (No I won't give examples, there's no need to start pointing fingers).

Now before anything else, I'm not saying every man on boards.ie is a dirty misogynist and they should be burnt at the stake! :mad:

It's only a small proportion of people, and that includes women too. What's scary is the amount of normal people who just drop these seemingly innocuous statements, that have such ugliness behind them.

What I want to know is, where are your wives? Your sisters? Your daughters? Your mothers? Your grandmothers? Your nieces? Your best friends?

When you make this statements against women, you're not thinking about them. You're thinking about those "other" women, those "other" women who only want to make trouble. But the reality is, when you make sweeping statements like "women these days pah"* there is no difference between those women and those you know and love.

It scares me that so many people out there have this below the surface dislike (I won't say hate) of women and when you're online and anonymous behind your computers or your phones, you feel its okay to make these statements. Why? Would you say these things in front of the women you love and respect in your life without a hint of embarrassment or guilt?


*Not an actual comment I've come across; just an example

the mask of anonymity brings out the cynic in us all

The_Valeyard

Interstellar cellar wrote: »

People posting opinions on the Internet isn't really something to worry about, for a start people are much more extreme on the Internet than in real life.

What's that Oscar Wilde quote about a mask

who the fug

Historical date , first woman spotted on boards.ie

DemocAnarchis

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

It might be another charter I'm getting confused with but I thought you weren't allowed give out about particular posters or threads?

You must be - personal abuse is a no-go, but posts are fair game.

Gatling

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've noticed a worrying trend on boards of people insisting that the sky is green. I'm not going to give any examples though.

If you live on Mars it's red



Apparently

lufties

I am honestly a bit of a mysogynist. Its developed through years of meeting nasty women or being attracted and not getting it in return. I'm just a human and have feelings that have been hurt over and over again by women mostly. I currently see a therapist to help me through my issues.

SparkySpitfire

RDM_83 again wrote: »

If you disregard any poster with less than 50 posts has it got any worse?

Also
Disliking 3rd Wave Feminism ≠ Misogyny

Being very honest, I don't usually look at post counts, but I see what you're getting at.

By third wave you mean like militant man-haters or? Wikipedia wasn't too helpful on the topic

I didn't really want to discuss feminism because there's already a thread on that, but I think it's a good thing, the thoughts that without it I wouldn't be sitting here in uni right now is pretty bleak.

Roquentin

I have noticed this in some threads alright and there seems to be repetition in this misogyny:

--Man likes woman
--Woman does not like man
--Man gets angry at not being liked by woman
--Man then kills two women in Hong Kong to exact revenge etc.

DemocAnarchis

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

I didn't really want to discuss feminism because there's already a thread on that, but I think it's a good thing, the thoughts that without it I wouldn't be sitting here in uni right now is pretty bleak.

The early school leavers rate among women aged 18-24 in 2010 was 8.4%, which was much lower than the male rate of 12.6%.

Women are more likely to have a third-level qualification, with over half (53%) of women aged 25-34 having a third-level qualification compared with nearly four out of ten men (39%) in this age group

Education is one area in Ireland where the gender imbalance is in favour of women, not against.

Source - CSO 2011 report

smcgiff

who the fug wrote: »

Historical date , first woman spotted on boards.ie

Nah, just another 40 year old truck driver typing in his under pants wanting you to think that ( is that misandry? )

Roquentin

Roquentin wrote: »

I have noticed this in some threads alright and there seems to be repetition in this misogyny:

--Man likes woman
--Woman does not like man
--Man gets angry at not being liked by woman
--Man then kills two women in Hong Kong to exact revenge etc.

Jesus the Hong Kong cops must be really worried about me ever going over there.

mariaalice

I reported a post of that nature, however I though mods read every post so if a post was left up it have been thought alright although I found it dubious.

TheBeardedLady

lufties wrote: »

I am honestly a bit of a mysogynist. Its developed through years of meeting nasty women or being attracted and not getting it in return. I'm just a human and have feelings that have been hurt over and over again by women mostly. I currently see a therapist to help me through my issues.

You don't need to be honest. It's blindingly obvious. You're not the only long-timer like this either and it's really, really bad recently. I'd rather the sandwich jokes than some if the **** posted on Boards.

DemocAnarchis

smcgiff wrote: »

Nah, just another 40 year old truck driver typing in his under pants wanting you to think that ( is that misanthropic? )

A little jaded perhaps but not a million miles off some corners of the internet.

SparkySpitfire

Deleted User wrote: »

Stop mansplaining.

Why?

Why would you say that? I would never have heard of the term mansplaining if people like you didn't spread it around by using it to make fun of the women (with pretty radical views) that do. Why did you bring them into this? Where are these radical feminists? I have honestly never come across a post from one of these "radical feminists" that hasn't been from tumblr or the likes let alone boards.

Mansplaining is a word that I think disrespects men but there you (and people like you) are spreading it around and bringing it into the public sphere. I don't understand it. If these things are so offensive (which I believe they are) you should try and stifle them as much as possible.

Fr_Dougal

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

I didn't really want to discuss feminism because there's already a thread on that, but I think it's a good thing, the thoughts that without it I wouldn't be sitting here in uni right now is pretty bleak.

Ah...so this thread is about feminism...why didn't you just say so, feminism isn't a dirty word you know.

Macavity.

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

You don't need to be honest. It's blindingly obvious. You're not the only long-timer like this either and it's really, really bad recently. I'd rather the sandwich jokes than some if the **** posted on Boards.

He said he's getting help for his issues. Don't see the point in attacking him tbh.

Galwayguy35

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Being very honest, I don't usually look at post counts, but I see what you're getting at.

By third wave you mean like militant man-haters or? Wikipedia wasn't too helpful on the topic

I didn't really want to discuss feminism because there's already a thread on that, but I think it's a good thing, the thoughts that without it I wouldn't be sitting here in uni right now is pretty bleak.

Really?

You think women would be banned from Third Level in 2014 if it wasn't for feminism?

We're not governed by the Taliban.

Interstellar cellar

Do people actually know what misogyny means?


It is the hatred of women.

SparkySpitfire

TheZohan wrote: »

Ah...so this thread is about feminism...why didn't you just say so, feminism isn't a dirty word you know.

Because RDM brought it up, why else? What has your back up about my post? Instead of the snarkiness you could explain yourself

SparkySpitfire

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Why?

Why would you say that? I would never have heard of the term mansplaining if people like you didn't spread it around by using it to make fun of the women (with pretty radical views) that do. Why did you bring them into this? Where are these radical feminists? I have honestly never come across a post from one of these "radical feminists" that hasn't been from tumblr or the likes let alone boards.

Mansplaining is a word that I think disrespects men but there you (and people like you) are spreading it around and bringing it into the public sphere. I don't understand it. If these things are so offensive (which I believe they are) you should try and stifle them as much as possible.

OK now I know you're a bored trucker.

SparkySpitfire

Interstellar cellar wrote: »

Do people actually know what misogyny means?


It is the hatred of women.

Misogyny (/mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. Misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.

SparkySpitfire

Deleted User wrote: »

OK now I know you're a bored trucker.

Good, I'm glad.