city of sanctuary

giles lynchwood

:cool::cool:ixie
by Daniel Decatur Emmett of Mount Vernon, Ohio Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton,
Old times there are not forgotten, (Alt Original: Cinnamon seed and sandy bottom,)
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.

In Dixie Land, where I was born in,
early on one frosty mornin',
Look away, look away, look away Dixie Land.

I wish I was in Dixie, Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I'll take my stand
to live and die in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie.
Away, away, away down south in Dixie

MRnotlob606

mollymosfet wrote: »

the crime you're seeing amongst the roma only exists due to centuries of deeply racist persecution that you're helping sustain with posts like this.

so yes, racism. just because you don't understand why you're racist doesn't mean you're not racist.

I am a vehement anti racist. I have no clue or have any idea why your insinuating that I am supporting racism. The people have the right to protest against organised crime in their city.Yes things did get out of hand I do acknowledge that. but the reason they got out of hand is due to the political establishment failure to adequately tackle organised crime perpetrated by members of the Roma community. There is no direct correlation between crime and racism. There many examples of persecuted minorities that peacefully co-exist with other members of society.

You're posts are filled with conjectures and unsubstantiated claims. I'd recommend you'll wake up from living in your secret little leftist utopia and start coming to terms with actuality of what is going on.

7upfree

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I'd recommend you'll wake up from living in your secret little leftist utopia and start coming to terms with actuality of what is going on.

Or maybe better still you'd come out of your PC dreamland and come into the real world.

MRnotlob606

7upfree wrote: »

Or maybe better still you'd come out of your PC dreamland and come into the real world.

Don't understand your comment ? Have you not read that I'm opposing the typical archetypal PC empty rhetoric.

7upfree

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Don't understand your comment ? Have you not read that I'm opposing the typical archetypal PC empty rhetoric.

My sincere apologies. Too much wine

MRnotlob606

7upfree wrote: »

My sincere apologies. Too much wine

That's not hastle boi :pac:

MRnotlob606

Well should we be still a city of sanctuary ?

Dum_Dum

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Well should we be still a city of sanctuary ?

Sanctuary from mass immigration would be great. Let's have a referendum on it. We are a democracy after all?

7upfree

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Sanctuary from mass immigration would be great. Let's have a referendum on it. We are a democracy after all?

Precisely. We can have a referendum about having a piss (literally) but not on something which will impact the social fabric of our society. As George Hook said yesterday, the rights and wishes of the majority are being trampled on.

looksee

I'm kind of afraid to ask...but when did we have a referendum about having a piss?

O Riain

The percentage of immigrants living in Ireland is about 15%/16%, id hardly call that affecting our social fabric.

Look when you accept people into your country then for better or worse, you are going to have a few bad apples. We export a load of dangerous gangsters to Spain and I am sure some Spanish would love nothing more than to put an end to the irish entering spain. But then this would make it harder for Irish holidayers to enjoy Spain (and harder for them to take our cash).

Likewise about Irish people going to Australia and treating it as a giant pissup, I'm sure there are Australians, just like the people in this thread, calling for a ban on Irish entering. These people have no clue on the worth they bring to Australia or how the trouble makers make up a small minority.

The next thing we are on to (and I'm sure its what all you people are talking about) and thats the Africans and general refugees. Yes there are abusers of the system but yes there are a lot of genuine people fleeing some atrocious conditions, ones who I am more than happy to help.

First things first, people don't get asylum here easily. There was an Irish times/independent article recently showing the reasons for people getting rejected, a man who had no passport (saying he had to flee without one as he was being hunted) was rejected for not having one but then another man who had a passport, who was also fleeing, was rejected because they said if he was fleeing then he wouldn't have a passport. There are many other cases (two terrible ones including a woman who was gang raped and a man who was whipped) and it just goes to show that even those with genuine claims don't get it. The perception seems to be that everyone gets in, they don't.

Lastly, you know you are wrong when George Hook is arguing your point.

navalus

In 2014 6 countries had a larger foreign born population than Britain, including Ireland, Sweden and Austria . Asylum seekers are supposed to seek asylum in the first EU country they enter , how many do they enter to get to here ? Britain with a population of over 60 millions has pressure on its schools , roads , hospitals , housing etc because of mass immigration, and now we are having the same.

Taxburden carrier

We are a democracy after all?[/QUOTE]


If only we were

fiachr_a

Waterford will be the next Ballyhaunis.

Hijpo

Apparently that hotel in Clonea that was lined up to be some kind of refugee center has been opposed by many?? (how many i dont know)

It would also seem that in order for it to be compliant as a refugee center it must be granted certain certifications or permits (again i dont know the legalities, the post is really about getting confirmation on this) which the council have said they wont be granting??

7upfree

O Riain wrote: »

The percentage of immigrants living in Ireland is about 15%/16%, id hardly call that affecting our social fabric.

Look when you accept people into your country then for better or worse, you are going to have a few bad apples. We export a load of dangerous gangsters to Spain and I am sure some Spanish would love nothing more than to put an end to the irish entering spain. But then this would make it harder for Irish holidayers to enjoy Spain (and harder for them to take our cash).

Likewise about Irish people going to Australia and treating it as a giant pissup, I'm sure there are Australians, just like the people in this thread, calling for a ban on Irish entering. These people have no clue on the worth they bring to Australia or how the trouble makers make up a small minority.

The next thing we are on to (and I'm sure its what all you people are talking about) and thats the Africans and general refugees. Yes there are abusers of the system but yes there are a lot of genuine people fleeing some atrocious conditions, ones who I am more than happy to help.

First things first, people don't get asylum here easily. There was an Irish times/independent article recently showing the reasons for people getting rejected, a man who had no passport (saying he had to flee without one as he was being hunted) was rejected for not having one but then another man who had a passport, who was also fleeing, was rejected because they said if he was fleeing then he wouldn't have a passport. There are many other cases (two terrible ones including a woman who was gang raped and a man who was whipped) and it just goes to show that even those with genuine claims don't get it. The perception seems to be that everyone gets in, they don't.

Lastly, you know you are wrong when George Hook is arguing your point.

Not necessarily. Why so? Because he's a voice for those who are being silenced? And whose wishes are being ignored? This is a "culture" incompatible with Western freedoms and beliefs.

This is a reality. Look across the water. And at France. Belgium. Ghettoes. Because they have no desire to "integrate". Merely to create a micro-state of what they have "fled".

Don't do the Irish a disservice by comparing them to these. There is NO comparison.

fuzzy dunlop

It's amazing that people who commit mass murder and potentially have sympathies for them are compared to Irish going abroad "on the piss" under the aegis of " a few bad apples".

Immigration is fine. It is part of human history. However the events of recent months, weeks and years have shown the absurdity of the political correctness that have made a mockery of principles like freedons of speech. It frankly has become almost impossible to criticize immigration for fear of been labelled a racist. This is the new norm in our society. Certain people are beyond criticism no matter what with the exception of those who might have a traditional or conservative view. In the meantime while proper debate is stifled refugee centres are being burned down across Europe and far right and extreme parties are taking are on the rise.

7upfree

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

It's amazing that people who commit mass murder and potentially have sympathies for them are compared to Irish going abroad "on the piss" under the aegis of " a few bad apples".

Immigration is fine. It is part of human history. However the events of recent months, weeks and years have shown the absurdity of the political correctness that have made a mockery of principles like freedons of speech. It frankly has become almost impossible to criticize immigration for fear of been labelled a racist. This is the new norm in our society. Certain people are beyond criticism no matter what with the exception of those who might have a traditional or conservative view. In the meantime while proper debate is stifled refugee centres are being burned down across Europe and far right and extreme parties are taking are on the rise.

Agree fully. This is a huge danger to Western civilisation. No two ways about it. And yet people bury their heads in the sand, muttering "sure It'll be grand".....

MRnotlob606

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

It's amazing that people who commit mass murder and potentially have sympathies for them are compared to Irish going abroad "on the piss" under the aegis of " a few bad apples".

Immigration is fine. It is part of human history. However the events of recent months, weeks and years have shown the absurdity of the political correctness that have made a mockery of principles like freedons of speech. It frankly has become almost impossible to criticize immigration for fear of been labelled a racist. This is the new norm in our society. Certain people are beyond criticism no matter what with the exception of those who might have a traditional or conservative view. In the meantime while proper debate is stifled refugee centres are being burned down across Europe and far right and extreme parties are taking are on the rise.

This reminds me of Christopher Hitchen's view on political correctness and the modern left. Hitchens used to be a very committed socialist until many on the left in Britain were silent in condemning the the proposed assassination of Salman Rushdie after the Satanic Verses was first published. Hitchens helped exposed the cowardice and intellectual ambiguity of the left. Ghettoisation is huge problem in Europe, and it seems it's a Muslim problem, largely because most nationalities integrate well into Western European societies, except Muslims.The evidence is there.

7upfree

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

This reminds me of Christopher Hitchen's view on political correctness and the modern left. Hitchens used to be a very committed socialist until many on the left in Britain were silent in condemning the the proposed assassination of Salman Rushdie after the Satanic Verses was first published. Hitchens helped exposed the cowardice and intellectual ambiguity of the left. Ghettoisation is huge problem in Europe, and it seems it's a Muslim problem, largely because most nationalities integrate well into Western European societies, except Muslims.The evidence is there.

Got it in one. There is no wish or desire to "integrate". Merely to create enclaves.

O Riain

What do you know? Nothing, that's what. I bet none of you even know any Muslims.

You just cannot argue with pure and utter ignorance.

MRnotlob606

O Riain wrote: »

What do you know? Nothing, that's what. I bet none of you even know any Muslims.

You just cannot argue with pure and utter ignorance.

I do know plenty of Muslims, in fact I volunteer with Muslim refugees here in Ireland. I'm not making a generalization and I made a cogent argument.

I have seen first hand the difficulties some Muslims face with integration. It's not the same for Polish or Eastern Europeans.

I find it quite infantile that you said "you cannot argue with pure ignorance". If your want to make your point across you can't wholeheartedly disregard you opposition by putting your hands over your ears shouting "la la la"

This is an adult discussion so please treat us as adults.

O Riain

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I do know plenty of Muslims, in fact I volunteer with Muslim refugees here in Ireland. I'm not making a generalization and I made a cogent argument.

I have seen first hand the difficulties some Muslims face with integration. It's not the same for Polish or Eastern Europeans.

I find it quite infantile that you said "you cannot argue with pure ignorance". If your want to make your point across you can't wholeheartedly disregard you opposition by putting your hands over your ears shouting "la la la"

This is an adult discussion so please treat us as adults.

Some might say that the Eastern Europeans do not integrate all that well here either.

I would be one of them but I don't consider that a huge issue, I don't take the opinion that somebody has to follow specific rules to be here (asside from obeying the law).

Cultures are different and some stick around each other more than others do. You said that 'Ghettoism' is only a Muslim thing when there's plenty of Ghettos with Africans and eastern Europeans in them all over Europe.

Millions of them seem to do a pretty good job of integrating fine here in the UK and don't seem to be confined to Ghettos.

MRnotlob606

O Riain wrote: »

Some might say that the Eastern Europeans do not integrate all that well here either.

I would be one of them but I don't consider that a huge issue, I don't take the opinion that somebody has to follow specific rules to be here (asside from obeying the law).

Cultures are different and some stick around each other more than others do. You said that 'Ghettoism' is only a Muslim thing when there's plenty of Ghettos with Africans and eastern Europeans in them all over Europe.

Millions of them seem to do a pretty good job of integrating fine here in the UK and don't seem to be confined to Ghettos.

Take a look at the Muslim ghettos in Sweden, Denmark, France etc. I'm pretty sure it has happened in the UK too. Compared to other races and ethnic groups, Islam by far has had the most difficulty in integrating with others.

According to a survey done in Britain, Some 51 per cent of Muslims do not believe that Muslim clerics who preach for violence against the West are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion. 20 percent believe liberal societies cannot be compatible with Islam. An an ominous 11 percent sympathise with those fight against the west.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-the-survey-of-british-muslim-attitudes-is-so-profoundly-disconcerting-10070358.html

This was admitted by the Independent, one Britain's most socially liberal newspapers. If they admitted it , I'll take their word for it.



Integrating means adopting Western values.

Hijpo

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Take a look at the Muslim ghettos in Sweden, Denmark, France etc. I'm pretty sure it has happened in the UK too. Compared to other races and ethnic groups, Islam by far has had the most difficulty in integrating with others.

According to a survey done in Britain, Some 51 per cent of Muslims do not believe that Muslim clerics who preach for violence against the West are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion. 20 percent believe liberal societies cannot be compatible with Islam. An an ominous 11 percent sympathise with those you fight against the west.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/why-the-survey-of-british-muslim-attitudes-is-so-profoundly-disconcerting-10070358.html

This was admitted by the Independent, one Britain's most socially liberal newspapers. If they admitted it , I'll take their word for it.



Integrating means adopting Western values.

has anyone touched on a reason as to why Muslim refugees are bypassing Islamic countries to enter countries they know it's by far harder to integrate into?

I think what makes it harder for these new cultures to coexist with western culture is people are afraid of political correctness being forced on them and if they voice an opinion that against these cultures intruding on the western ways they are labelled a racist.

fiachr_a

Hijpo wrote: »

has anyone touched on a reason as to why Muslim refugees are bypassing Islamic countries to enter countries they know it's by far harder to integrate into?

Ireland's a soft touch. They're getting council houses in places like Tralee.

Hijpo wrote: »

I think what makes it harder for these new cultures to coexist with western culture is people are afraid of political correctness being forced on them and if they voice an opinion that against these cultures intruding on the western ways they are labelled a racist.

They don't want to integrate, that's why it's a bad idea. It's part of their culture to stay separate. I knew a Muslim living in Ireland for 20 years and he still looks and dresses completely different to Irish people. The Polish have the same religion and skin colour as us so they integrate well. Politically correct people can't see the difference.

7upfree

fiachr_a wrote: »

Ireland's a soft touch. They're getting council houses in places like Tralee.


They don't want to integrate, that's why it's a bad idea. It's part of their culture to stay separate. I knew a Muslim living in Ireland for 20 years and he still looks and dresses completely different to Irish people. The Polish have the same religion and skin colour as us so they integrate well. Politically correct people can't see the difference.

This is the problem. They have no desire or wish to "integrate" so where are these "benefits to society" that they are allegedly bringing? Inward-looking, insular, and buried in the past. All at odds with a free Western society.

7upfree

O Riain wrote: »

What do you know? Nothing, that's what. I bet none of you even know any Muslims.

You just cannot argue with pure and utter ignorance.

Actually I do. Keep to themselves and prefer to stay on their own. You see, the use of the word "ignorance" here is supposed to dispel any doubts, concerns, or worries (legitimate or otherwise) than the mainstream population has.

Rather than investigating their history in other countries (UK etc) and seeing the devastating impact in many areas, people prefer to call people who raise these issue "ignorant" rather than examining the cold, hard facts.

Gullible doesn't even cover it.

7upfree

Hijpo wrote: »

has anyone touched on a reason as to why Muslim refugees are bypassing Islamic countries to enter countries they know it's by far harder to integrate into?

I think what makes it harder for these new cultures to coexist with western culture is people are afraid of political correctness being forced on them and if they voice an opinion that against these cultures intruding on the western ways they are labelled a racist.

Precisely. We live in a culture which is, for the most part, open and free. These people come from a "culture" (if you can call it that) that is the diametric opposite to this.

it is lunacy to think you can integrate the two.

Wanderer78

cousin has been working in abu dhabi last couple of years. has had enough of it. his synopsis of the locals, lazy and ignorant! worrying as this is coming from a well traveled, well educated and very open minded young man! is this what we ll be dealing with in the future here?