ICT Specialists (Executive Officer level) in Civil Service

Dothehustle · 07-09-2016 10:44am

Has any one on the dev panel got placed yet .. Just wondering how fast they are taking people??

TestLink · 07-09-2016 12:01pm

Congrats to all those who are in the panel.

I have a master's degree in computing and have 10 years IT support experience.

During the interview (Infrastructure and Operations) , I was asked only one HR question (How would and how often you would communicate with your bose) and one technical question (What is a Gateway)!

My position
Dublin panel in 40s
Regional panel in 70s

I have some doubts. Hope someone can clarify that. I am currently working in a IT company in city centre. My salary range is 25,000 per annum. PRSI = 82.00. Other than the salary, current work environment is very good and flexible.

1. Considering my present remuneration, is it worth joining public sector, if I get an offer?

2. Would the candidates get option to choose whether they want to work - Revenue / Justice / etc?

3. Any idea about what would be the pay scale?

4. Would the role require travel?

5. What sort of technologies would a person joining the role has to deal with? - VMware ESXi / Scripting on Linux / Cisco Switching and Routing etc

6. Would I get any sort of formal training in case a technology that I don't know is used where I work?

7. Are the roles Perm / Contract?

Would greatly appreciate if someone could help me to make a decision.

Ventnor · 07-09-2016 12:52pm

Leitbrook wrote: »

Is it true that if you are existing public servant they have to put you on your current point on pay scale ie you dont go back to starting point? Does that mean for example if you work for hse now and are offered this post you will go higher up payscale?

I would also like to know this. I'm in the public service (Council) for the past 16 years and do not want to go back to the start. Came in the top ten on the regional panel so pretty hopeful of getting an offer.

posy2010 · 07-09-2016 1:06pm

Very new to this panel business. Say you placed top 10 in Dublin panel - how quickly do things move? Does ranking higher mean there is any element of choice in placement?

IloveIT · 07-09-2016 1:09pm

posy2010 wrote: »

Very new to this panel business. Say you placed top 10 in Dublin panel - how quickly do things move? Does ranking higher mean there is any element of choice in placement?

hi, no choice I'm afraid. If you are in Dublin and the regions they will make you an offer for Dublin which you can refuse, Dublin is then gone for you but the region of your choice is still there. They will then offer you your regional choice, if you refuse that you are completely gone. There is no choice as such.

posy2010 · 07-09-2016 1:18pm

IloveIT wrote: »

hi, no choice I'm afraid. If you are in Dublin and the regions they will make you an offer for Dublin which you can refuse, Dublin is then gone for you but the region of your choice is still there. They will then offer you your regional choice, if you refuse that you are completely gone. There is no choice as such.

Cheers. So it is just a waiting game now I take it?

IloveIT · 07-09-2016 1:29pm

yep, it should be pretty quick, I called them today and they said they will be calling people very soon

Dothehustle · 07-09-2016 2:02pm

1. Considering my present remuneration, is it worth joining public sector, if I get an offer?
Starting salary is 28,000 with increments every year

2. Would the candidates get option to choose whether they want to work - Revenue / Justice / etc?
Nope
3. Any idea about what would be the pay scale?
On mobile but search pseu pay scales and u should find it
4. Would the role require travel?
Depends on the role..

5. What sort of technologies would a person joining the role has to deal with? - VMware ESXi / Scripting on Linux / Cisco Switching and Routing etc
Depends on role
6. Would I get any sort of formal training in case a technology that I don't know is used where I work?
Depends on role

7. Are the roles Perm / Contract?
Year probation then perm

Would greatly appreciate if someone could help me to make a decision.

A lot of depends on where ur put and role ur doing. U could be a team lead managing others or u could be working on ur own or with a team..
But other benefits of c/s flexi time .. college courses can be paid back

Dothehustle · 07-09-2016 2:03pm

IloveIT wrote: »

yep, it should be pretty quick, I called them today and they said they will be calling people very soon

Was the for dev side or infrastructure??

IloveIT · 07-09-2016 2:07pm

infrastructure

TestLink · 07-09-2016 2:44pm

IloveIT wrote: »

Hi They asked me about some commands that can be run from the windows command window, that was easy enough. They asked what I knew about computer networking, I taught that was a question that could have gone on for days. I mostly spoke about the Cisco CCNA for that one.
The actual interview was less than 40 mins, another guy went into another interview room at the same time and we finished at the same time so it looks like they have to keep to a schedule. Also they said that we will not hear back until September at the earliest.

In my view they would want to get a move on, they could loose some good candidates with such a long delay.

What number are you on the panel?

I was only asked what is a gateway!

TestLink · 07-09-2016 2:45pm

CryWolf wrote: »

Good luck to you all! Just wondering is there anybody in the 70's on the panel being interviewed in August? Also would you let us know should you get placed what departments, counties etc. they are filling?

Thanks for all the info guys hopefully they will interview further up the panel from September on..

I am on 70s on regional panel.

IloveIT · 07-09-2016 2:47pm

ITguru wrote: »

IloveIT wrote: »

Hi They asked me about some commands that can be run from the windows command window, that was easy enough. They asked what I knew about computer networking, I taught that was a question that could have gone on for days. I mostly spoke about the Cisco CCNA for that one.
The actual interview was less than 40 mins, another guy went into another interview room at the same time and we finished at the same time so it looks like they have to keep to a schedule. Also they said that we will not hear back until September at the earliest.

In my view they would want to get a move on, they could loose some good candidates with such a long delay.

What number are you on the panel?

I was only asked what is a gateway!

I have a fairly low number so I would expect to get a call soon. I would prefer not to say as I am not sure if we are supposed to.

2RockMountain · 07-09-2016 3:02pm

Leitbrook wrote: »

Is it true that if you are existing public servant they have to put you on your current point on pay scale ie you dont go back to starting point? Does that mean for example if you work for hse now and are offered this post you will go higher up payscale?

Ventnor wrote: »

I would also like to know this. I'm in the public service (Council) for the past 16 years and do not want to go back to the start. Came in the top ten on the regional panel so pretty hopeful of getting an offer.

There is usually a note in the info booklet that serving civil/public servants may not start at the first point of the scale. Check out the booklet for this competition.

They will usually match your current position, or take you to the next highest position on the scale, afaik.

TestLink · 07-09-2016 3:03pm

If I accept a Dublin offer, would I also called for Regional role as well. Or only if I reject a Dublin offer, then only I would be called for a Regional role?

xECompanyx · 07-09-2016 3:39pm

ITguru wrote: »

If I accept a Dublin offer, would I also called for Regional role as well. Or only if I reject a Dublin offer, then only I would be called for a Regional role?

If you accept an offer for a particular stream, you will not have a further opportunity of a placing on that stream. You would be removed from the list afaik

Sup08 · 07-09-2016 3:41pm

Originally Posted by Leitbrook

Is it true that if you are existing public servant they have to put you on your current point on pay scale ie you dont go back to starting point? Does that mean for example if you work for hse now and are offered this post you will go higher up payscale?

Ventnor wrote: »

I would also like to know this. I'm in the public service (Council) for the past 16 years and do not want to go back to the start. Came in the top ten on the regional panel so pretty hopeful of getting an offer.

AFAIK it is all in line with Government pay legislation.

You may be able to carry some service but is depends on which department you are assigned to and which department you are coming from.

Generally public service does not carry to civil unless you had some civil service before your public service. Service as a TCO also applies like this.

If you are made an offer is its best to check this with your new employer and your existing department to be sure if your service carries to this position. If it does, you remain on the same amount in Euro until your pay scale as an EO catches up.

crossbeauty · 07-09-2016 3:43pm

ITguru wrote: »

If I accept a Dublin offer, would I also called for Regional role as well. Or only if I reject a Dublin offer, then only I would be called for a Regional role?

according to information booklet

"Candidates will be entitled to indicate a preference for ICT Development Dublin and Regional panel or ICT Infrastructure Dublin and Regional panel. If a candidate is offered and declines a place on the ICT Development Dublin panel, they will be removed from the
Dublin panel and will receive no further offers for a Dublin vacancy. If a candidate is offered and declines a regional location they will not be offered further vacancies in that location but will remain eligible to be offered vacancies in other locations.

If a candidate is offered and declines a place on the panel for ICT Infrastructure and Operations, Dublin, they will be removed from the Dublin panel and will receive no further offers for a Dublin vacancy. If a candidate is offered and declines a location they will be
offered no further vacancies in that location but will remain eligible to be offered vacancies in other locations"

2RockMountain · 07-09-2016 3:49pm

Sup08 wrote: »

Generally public service does not carry to civil unless you had some civil service before your public service. Service as a TCO also applies like this.

Where did you get this from? The standard wording from a recent booklet is; "Different terms and conditions may apply if you are currently a serving civil or public servant" - no distinction about having to have been civil first there.

Sup08 wrote: »

If you are made an offer is its best to check this with your new employer and your existing department to be sure if your service

Good idea.

Sup08 · 07-09-2016 3:57pm

2RockMountain wrote: »

Where did you get this from? The standard wording from a recent booklet is; "Different terms and conditions may apply if you are currently a serving civil or public servant" - no distinction about having to have been civil first there.

Personal experience and remember it does state:

"Different terms and conditions may apply if you are currently a serving civil or public servant"

The terms differ between both!!

2RockMountain · 07-09-2016 4:11pm

Sup08 wrote: »

The terms differ between both!!

That's not what it says - the 'different terms & conditions' is clearly a reference to the T&Cs set out above. Is your personal experience recent?

Sup08 · 07-09-2016 4:28pm

2RockMountain wrote: »

That's not what it says - the 'different terms & conditions' is clearly a reference to the T&Cs set out above. Is your personal experience recent?

Very recent and I have had the good knowledge of others that had similar situations. Service did not carry fro Public to Civil.

This rule varies by department and also applies to internal promotions, you are not eligible to apply for internal promotions in the Civil Service unless you're an established "Civil Service" Officer for 2 years. Public Service does not count. Personal experience with this as well.

crossbeauty · 07-09-2016 4:47pm

Sup08 wrote: »

Very recent and I have had the good knowledge of others that had similar situations. Service did not carry fro Public to Civil.

This rule varies by department and also applies to internal promotions, you are not eligible to apply for internal promotions in the Civil Service unless you're an established "Civil Service" Officer for 2 years. Public Service does not count. Personal experience with this as well.

This is worrying me now. 12 years in IT in public sector but not Civil service as such and now it looks like my service wil not be recognised at all.

2RockMountain · 07-09-2016 5:22pm

Sup08 wrote: »

Very recent and I have had the good knowledge of others that had similar situations. Service did not carry fro Public to Civil.

This rule varies by department and also applies to internal promotions, you are not eligible to apply for internal promotions in the Civil Service unless you're an established "Civil Service" Officer for 2 years. Public Service does not count. Personal experience with this as well.

That's a different issue. I'm not talking about eligibility to apply at all.

I'm just talking about starting salary for public servants. If they are discriminating on this, people should start getting their unions involved.

TestLink · 07-09-2016 7:04pm

Each Public Sector office would differ in tools and technologies used in their ICT envirionment. When they offer a job at a place would they tell about this - I mean the Job Spec / ICT duties involved?

For eg., I dont know MS-Exchange / Cisco routing. So I would be commiting a career suicide resigning my current role in which I am comfortable and not able to perform well in the new ICT PS role because I dont know the tools used there. Any way to avoid this?

Calina · 07-09-2016 7:10pm

My experience is that some departments at least will attempt to do a skills match to what they want to do. PAS will not be able to answer that question, however.

TestLink · 07-09-2016 7:29pm

Calina wrote: »

My experience is that some departments at least will attempt to do a skills match to what they want to do. PAS will not be able to answer that question, however.

So before a dept offer a job to a candidate, they would go through the CV of the candidate and see whether he or she fits in?

Calina · 07-09-2016 7:31pm

ITguru wrote: »

So before a dept offer a job to a candidate, they would go through the CV of the candidate and see whether he or she fits in?

I'm not sure how they do it because I have never been that side. Only that I anecdotally people have in two departments at least been siphoned in a directon that fits their background.

Chris24567890 · 07-09-2016 8:19pm

Sup08 wrote: »

AFAIK it is all in line with Government pay legislation.

You may be able to carry some service but is depends on which department you are assigned to and which department you are coming from.

Generally public service does not carry to civil unless you had some civil service before your public service. Service as a TCO also applies like this.

If you are made an offer is its best to check this with your new employer and your existing department to be sure if your service carries to this position. If it does, you remain on the same amount in Euro until your pay scale as an EO catches up.

Do you what legislation covers this? I am in a similar position, I have 10 years service in the Defence Forces and placed well in the top 10 on the Dublin Infrastructure Panel.

If service doesn't carry when considering pay, then unfortunately for me this would be a deal breaker!!

Chris24567890 · 07-09-2016 8:53pm

Sup08 wrote: »

AFAIK it is all in line with Government pay legislation.

You may be able to carry some service but is depends on which department you are assigned to and which department you are coming from.

Generally public service does not carry to civil unless you had some civil service before your public service. Service as a TCO also applies like this.

If you are made an offer is its best to check this with your new employer and your existing department to be sure if your service carries to this position. If it does, you remain on the same amount in Euro until your pay scale as an EO catches up.

Do you what legislation covers this? I am in a similar position, I have 10 years service in the Defence Forces and placed well in the top 10 on the Dublin Infrastructure Panel.

If service doesn't carry when considering pay, then unfortunately for me this would be a deal breaker!!

Update: ht*tp://hr.per.gov.ie/starting-pay-on-recruitment/ ....interesting
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ICT Specialists (Executive Officer level) in Civil Service

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