Mart Site Sold

citykat · 25-10-2016 9:49am

nootroc wrote: »

They thanked god that the hurricane a couple of years ago made the trees at the old swimming pool a public hazard. Not too many other trees met the same exacting criteria at the time. Could happen again.

Those trees were felled for the new bridge.

nootroc · 25-10-2016 11:36am

citykat wrote: »

Those trees were felled for the new bridge.

I know that but it was done in the aftermath of the storm so no questions were asked.

citykat · 25-10-2016 3:55pm

nootroc wrote: »

I know that but it was done in the aftermath of the storm so no questions were asked.

Iirc there was something about it in the paper at the time. The trees were going to have to make way for the bridge regardless of when.

FunkyJunky6969 · 08-12-2016 1:52am

Hi Peep's,

Any further news regarding the new Cinema. Have they laid any blocks over there yet ? !

Cheers

road_high · 08-12-2016 9:52am

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Hi Peep's,

Any further news regarding the new Cinema. Have they laid any blocks over there yet ? !

Cheers

Doubt it. The inner relief road will have to be finished off first, should be early spring.

up for anything · 08-12-2016 4:30pm

I'm not sure what that relief road is going to relieve. The new road layouts round the mart site are pretty puzzling. Where once you had two lanes now there appears to be only room for one. Is it going to be a one way system of some sort. That turn by the petrol station in Irishtown into Vicar Street is lethal as it stands - very dangerous. Unless they knock down the houses right on the turn they can't make it any wider. The whole thing is weird with more pavement than road in so many places.

hi5 · 08-12-2016 7:08pm

Vicar Street is one way heading out of town.

The maps are here..

http://www.kilkennycoco.ie/eng/Services/Roads/Roads_Projects/Central_Access_Scheme/

road_high · 08-12-2016 7:17pm

up for anything wrote: »

I'm not sure what that relief road is going to relieve. The new road layouts round the mart site are pretty puzzling. Where once you had two lanes now there appears to be only room for one. Is it going to be a one way system of some sort. That turn by the petrol station in Irishtown into Vicar Street is lethal as it stands - very dangerous. Unless they knock down the houses right on the turn they can't make it any wider. The whole thing is weird with more pavement than road in so many places.

I think once the dust settles it'll be an improvement on Greensbridge. My main concern looking at the plan though, are the junctions appear to be signalled controlled at the Castlecomer road end. Also not sure how the junctions on Greensbridge will work either. Just have to wait and see I suppose.

Mankbag · 09-12-2016 4:13pm

up for anything wrote: »

I'm not sure what that relief road is going to relieve. The new road layouts round the mart site are pretty puzzling. Where once you had two lanes now there appears to be only room for one. Is it going to be a one way system of some sort. That turn by the petrol station in Irishtown into Vicar Street is lethal as it stands - very dangerous. Unless they knock down the houses right on the turn they can't make it any wider. The whole thing is weird with more pavement than road in so many places.

Relax. Given that the Borough Council have absolutely no idea themselves what they're doing, you shouldn't blame yourself for being puzzled.

nootroc · 10-12-2016 12:41pm

Like the Circular Road they'll start with a spray on roundabout and after a period they'll install lights.

FunkyJunky6969 · 11-12-2016 12:47am

In fairness they have been quick to do the access road. Hope it all works out. It will be cool to have new businesses coming to Kilkenny bringing more employment to our great City.

road_high · 11-12-2016 12:51am

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

In fairness they have been quick to do the access road. Hope it all works out. It will be cool to have new businesses coming to Kilkenny bringing more employment to our great City.

Totally agree. Far too much negativity and rent-a-mob stuff went on. I would have preferred the ring road be finished first but it's obvious something had to be done to manage the traffic already in town. I think once it's open, finished and blended in it will be a very useful addition.

FunkyJunky6969 · 11-12-2016 12:56am

road_high wrote: »

Totally agree. Far too much negativity and rent-a-mob stuff went on. I would have preferred the ring road be finished first but it's obvious something had to be done to manage the traffic already in town. I think once it's open, finished and blended in it will be a very useful addition.

Me too I would have loved if the ring road was completed and who knows maybe in the future it will be. But looking back the protesters had their right to protest 100℅ but by doing that it delayed everything and delayed possible new jobs being created !

road_high · 11-12-2016 11:01am

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Me too I would have loved if the ring road was completed and who knows maybe in the future it will be. But looking back the protesters had their right to protest 100℅ but by doing that it delayed everything and delayed possible new jobs being created !

The same loons will always find something to protest/whine about. Know for a fact some of the ringleaders never worked for a living so jobs are of no concern to the likes of these people.

FunkyJunky6969 · 11-12-2016 5:45pm

road_high wrote: »

The same loons will always find something to protest/whine about. Know for a fact some of the ringleaders never worked for a living so jobs are of no concern to the likes of these people.

Never worked for a living maybe because of a lack of jobs in the area. Then by protesting they massively delayed possible jobs coming to the area. It's a vicious circle ....

blobbykk · 11-12-2016 10:08pm

Road high, what are these great facts you speak of?

Mankbag · 11-12-2016 11:00pm

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

Me too I would have loved if the ring road was completed and who knows maybe in the future it will be. But looking back the protesters had their right to protest 100℅ but by doing that it delayed everything and delayed possible new jobs being created !

Sorry. This is a canard that should be killed right now. There is NO linkage between the new bridge and "possible new jobs". That's Borough Council propaganda.

The main person who flew that particular kite was Joe Crockett, who stood to gain financially from the bridge going ahead because he ended up as an advisor on the redevelopment of the Brewery site.

Just because he said that jobs depended on the bridge going ahead doesn't mean we have to believe it.

The upshot is that in addition to a bridge that's gone wildly over budget, the Borough Council are now spending €10m doing up one of the old Brewery buildings. Insane.

road_high · 11-12-2016 11:47pm

blobbykk wrote: »

Road high, what are these great facts you speak of?

Great first post, welcome xxx

road_high · 11-12-2016 11:48pm

Mankbag wrote: »

Sorry. This is a canard that should be killed right now. There is NO linkage between the new bridge and "possible new jobs". That's Borough Council propaganda.

The main person who flew that particular kite was Joe Crockett, who stood to gain financially from the bridge going ahead because he ended up as an advisor on the redevelopment of the Brewery site.

Just because he said that jobs depended on the bridge going ahead doesn't mean we have to believe it.

The upshot is that in addition to a bridge that's gone wildly over budget, the Borough Council are now spending €10m doing up one of the old Brewery buildings. Insane.

Would you prefer it was left there to rot with no potential for jobs?

FunkyJunky6969 · 12-12-2016 12:05am

road_high wrote: »

Would you prefer it was left there to rot with no potential for jobs?

I have to agree mate !

blobbykk · 12-12-2016 1:25am

road_high wrote:

Great first post, welcome xxx

Ahh, thanks for the welcome? If there is any truth to your facts i would love to see you back them up. Just putting the word fact into a sentence does not make it a fact.

#don'tbeleiveeverythingyoureadontheinterent

road_high · 12-12-2016 7:38am

blobbykk wrote: »

Ahh, thanks for the welcome? If there is any truth to your facts i would love to see you back them up. Just putting the word fact into a sentence does not make it a fact.

#don'tbeleiveeverythingyoureadontheinterent

Just look at any of the ringleaders and their backgrounds- pretty simple! Obviously names can't be named here but it's pretty obvious to anyone that wants to.

nootroc · 12-12-2016 10:24am

Just look at the ringleaders on the pro side

blobbykk · 12-12-2016 10:37am

road_high wrote:

Just look at any of the ringleaders and their backgrounds- pretty simple! Obviously names can't be named here but it's pretty obvious to anyone that wants to.

Why can't names be mentioned here? You said these are all facts? Why wouldn't you be allowed to mention FACTS?

Here is my opinion about what is going on. You decided to try and give strength to your argument by using the word FACT. In reality, you have no FACTS. You've an opinion about who the ringleaders are. You have an opinion about their employment history. If you have FACTS to back up your statements I'm sure there should be no liability in mentioning their names.

So I'll ask you again. Who are the ringleaders?
What is their employment history of thse indviduals?

Mankbag · 12-12-2016 1:25pm

FunkyJunky6969 wrote: »

I have to agree mate !

You're both missing the point. I don't want the site to be left to rot - quite the reverse. It wasn't going to be left to rot anyway because a number of different plans had been drawn up.

But it's what should go on the site that's the point.

The site was bought by the Borough Council on behalf of the city. As such, it should fall to the community to decide what goes on it. Riverside walks, gardens, a museum, a micro-brewery, a certain amount of retail and/or housing, a centre for community groups - anything and everything.

There is NO rush to decide what should go on every square inch of space there. And the Council and councillors had NO mandate to get into bed with an investment fund and allow a prime piece of land to be developed for the benefit of outsiders.

Having Kilkenny's best interests at heart means having a vision and taking the long view. Not spending millions on doing up office space just because it has a view of Kilkenny Castle.

up for anything · 14-12-2016 4:34pm

Mankbag wrote: »

Relax. Given that the Borough Council have absolutely no idea themselves what they're doing, you shouldn't blame yourself for being puzzled.

:D:D

And no development yet for the mart site. Expensive roads to nowhere in particular.

up for anything · 14-12-2016 4:37pm

road_high wrote: »

Just look at any of the ringleaders and their backgrounds- pretty simple! Obviously names can't be named here but it's pretty obvious to anyone that wants to.

WTF ringleaders? Is this the 19th century! People are allowed protest. Standing Rock for instance.

Threadhead · 14-12-2016 5:24pm

Does anyone know when exactly the bridge is due to open?

catbear · 15-12-2016 8:35am

Mankbag wrote: »

There is NO rush to decide what should go on every square inch of space there. And the Council and councillors had NO mandate to get into bed with an investment fund and allow a prime piece of land to be developed for the benefit of outsiders.

How do we know that investors won't be local? After yer ones cribbing about insomnia moving into Market Cross it turned out it was business owned by a local!

Yes, we are capable of business success despite local negativity.

eoinfitzokk · 15-12-2016 11:19am

catbear wrote: »

How do we know that investors won't be local? After yer ones cribbing about insomnia moving into Market Cross it turned out it was business owned by a local!

Yes, we are capable of business success despite local negativity.

Is the Mart site not privately owned? I don't see how or why the locals should have such a big input if it's privately owned.

Mart Site Sold

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