The ITV Thread

Kermit.de.frog

It's the lack of home produced programming other than news that just makes the whole exercise appear cynical like it's not an Irish station - it's just full of UK imports.

Elmo

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

It must be really galling for UTV staff in Belfast suffering cuts, to see this sort of money being squandered in the south.

Indeed but UTV must be making money with out their southern brethren.

UTV radio must also be galled as well.

UTV Ireland is cynical

icdg

Spanish Max wrote: »

I for one will welcome the reversion back to the 'old' UTV channel on UPC.

Don't assume that would happen either, particularly if you really believe UTV's assertion that it was UPC's decision rather than their's to remove UTV when UTV Ireland launched.

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

Don't assume that would happen either, particularly if you really believe UTV's assertion that it was UPC's decision rather than their's to remove UTV when UTV Ireland launched.

UTV Ireland should perhaps convince them to put UTV +1 on their service.

If your paying purely for the basic cable packages drop them in favor of FTA Sat. and Saorview.

hotmail.com

Any word on special referendum results prorgammes next Saturday?

Elmo

hotmail.com wrote: »

Any word on special referendum results prorgammes next Saturday?

They are providing a news programme at 5:30 and hourly updates from 9am basically the new news schedule Monday to Friday for ref and by election day

An Ciarraioch

hotmail.com wrote: »

Any word on special referendum results prorgammes next Saturday?

Unlike an election, I suspect this will be one of the rare times when local and national radio will be quicker off the mark with updates.

hotmail.com

Elmo wrote: »

They are providing a news programme at 5:30 and hourly updates from 9am basically the new news schedule Monday to Friday for ref and by election day

Not bad! Better than nothing.

Joo0

An Irish ad feed for an itv channel would have been an easier option for them. Cant say ive watched anything on UTVI yet. Only use to watch the old utv for the sport

Elmo

Joo0 wrote: »

An Irish ad feed for an itv channel would have been an easier option for them. Cant say ive watched anything on UTVI yet. Only use to watch the old utv for the sport

Again UTV had been kept of Sky's EPG and wasn't on Saorview, it needed to buy the rights for ITV programming to make regain the loss of sales from the irish market over the last 10 years.

Joo0

Elmo wrote: »

Again UTV had been kept of Sky's EPG and wasn't on Saorview, it needed to buy the rights for ITV programming to make regain the loss of sales from the irish market over the last 10 years.

They misjudged the market big time. If they had of launched with programs other than soaps they could be doing a lot better. Family members I know who have freesat/saorview are all watching the old utv. HD picture and better selection of programs. 90% of people who have saorview have freesat. (as far as I can remember) It would be intresting to see what % of people who can recieve UTV Ireland are still watching UTV NI

Wingful

Joo0 wrote: »

They misjudged the market big time. If they had of launched with programs other than soaps they could be doing a lot better. Family members I know who have freesat/saorview are all watching the old utv. HD picture and better selection of programs. 90% of people who have saorview have freesat. (as far as I can remember) It would be intresting to see what % of people who can recieve UTV Ireland are still watching UTV NI

They got off to a dreadful start. My mother was freaking out when the latest series of Foyles War wasn't shown.

Elmo

Joo0 wrote: »

They misjudged the market big time. If they had of launched with programs other than soaps they could be doing a lot better. Family members I know who have freesat/saorview are all watching the old utv. HD picture and better selection of programs. 90% of people who have saorview have freesat. (as far as I can remember) It would be intresting to see what % of people who can recieve UTV Ireland are still watching UTV NI

If you look back through this thread no one here is arguing that, if you go back to the thread on the announcement of UTV Ireland everyone (myself included) said exactly what you are saying, and we said it long before UTV Ireland started broadcasting

UTV still enjoy an RoI audience for UTV and they'll continue to sell adverts on that channel for both a North and South audience.

political analyst

Joo0 wrote: »

An Irish ad feed for an itv channel would have been an easier option for them.

The problem with that argument is that UTV Ireland wouldn't have been able to get onto Saorview if it was just a simulcast of the ITV network schedule, i.e. the need to have Ireland Live on UTV Ireland instead of ITV News.

Elmo

political analyst wrote: »

The problem with that argument is that UTV Ireland wouldn't have been able to get onto Saorview if it was just a simulcast of the ITV network schedule, i.e. the need to have Ireland Live on UTV Ireland instead of ITV News.

The Broadcasting Act give precedence for PSBs but goes on to say that should space be available or unwanted that the network provider should provide it to whom ever takes it.

DCENR did nothing to progress PSB services on Saorview.

Then there is the little thing called the EU Directive called AV without frontiers (formally TV without frontiers), both directives clearly state that if a broadcaster is licensed in an EU jurisdiction then no other EU government may prevent the broadcast of that channel on any platform in their jurisdiction. Rights issues are another thing entirely.

In other words UTV did not need to get a licence from the BAI and UTV did not need to get special PSB status from the minister.

UTV could have got a licence from OfCom for an Irish opt-out, and gone on Saorview (and other platforms). And I would question anybody trying to prevent this happening under Irish and EU law. Though this didn't happen. TV3 would have been within their rights to prevent the full schedule as they hold the irish rights to many ITV shows.

Delta2113

Don't be surprised if TV3 change News to 5pm and Judge Judy to 5.30pm.

iseegirls

Delta2113 wrote: »

Don't be surprised if TV3 change News to 5pm and Judge Judy to 5.30pm.

I think it will be the other way around - UTV Ireland will be changing it to 5pm. No need for TV3 to change it - it has worked successfully for them since they changed it in 1999.

irishfeen

iseegirls wrote: »

I think it will be the other way around - UTV Ireland will be changing it to 5pm. No need for TV3 to change it - it has worked successfully for them since they changed it in 1999.

I tend to agree, I think 5pm would actually suit them better too. Ironically TV3 news seems to be a lead in for RTÉ's Six One...

icdg

They would (or should) only get away with 5:00pm if News at 8:00 is made a permanent fixture.

Quite a lot of UTV talk in the Sunday's, buyers are not happy with the failure to capitalise on the soaps, or the fact that its budget is mostly going into news (although they acknowledge the reason why that is the case). For its own part UTV is playing "blame the network" but saying they expect a stronger H2 (but they would say that, wouldn't they),

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

They would (or should) only get away with 5:00pm if News at 8:00 is made a permanent fixture.

Quite a lot of UTV talk in the Sunday's, buyers are not happy with the failure to capitalise on the soaps, or the fact that its budget is mostly going into news (although they acknowledge the reason why that is the case). For its own part UTV is playing "blame the network" but saying they expect a stronger H2 (but they would say that, wouldn't they),

what reason do they give for most of the money going towards the news?

I don't see why buyers aren't happy, the result of UTV Ireland has been to divide the audience down the middle of TV3 and UTV Ireland, meaning Buyers if wise can get more for their money, since they have two rivials picking way at the same audience.

Which network do they blame?

The only change they are making for the second half is News.

icdg

Elmo wrote: »

what reason do they give for most of the money going towards the news?

The need to obtain regulatory approval. It's probably a fair assessment that they wouldn't have gotten public service status without it.

Which network do they blame?.

ITV, who else....it's what they have always done if they've thought the programming out of them is not up to scratch. Neither UTV Ireland nor UTV NI is obliged to show any particlular ITV programme (except in UTV NI's case ITN) but I don't see them running out to find alternative sources of programming.

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

The need to obtain regulatory approval. It's probably a fair assessment that they wouldn't have gotten public service status without it.


ITV, who else....it's what they have always done if they've thought the programming out of them is not up to scratch. Neither UTV Ireland nor UTV NI is obliged to show any particlular ITV programme (except in UTV NI's case ITN) but I don't see them running out to find alternative sources of programming.

You know that I don't believe that UTV Ireland needed PSB status from the minister due to both the Broadcasting Act 2009 and the EU's AVWF directive, indeed their was little need for them to obtain a licence from the BAI, when it could have been easily got from OfCom.

Do you think that Irish TV wouldn't be allowed on Saorview because it wasn't designated? I wonder if DCENR would even notice if Irish TV appeared or if 2rn where of the mind to notify DCENR that it was entering into an agreement with Irish TV or any other TV channel for that matter, the only reason was TV3's insistance.

Complaining about ITV network programming is daft when UTV Ireland decided not to air a Monday Night 2 part drama "Code of A Killer" on the channel, instead opting for a repeat of Trevor McDonald.

Their inhabitable to work with Graham Norton or Jonathan Ross.

And as you say their lack of other programming from other sources.

Elmo

Also even if UTV Ireland need the destination as a Public Service Broadcaster, its news effort could have come from its Local Radio Services.

I don't really understand UTV Ireland's need for an expensive Dublin City Centre newly fitted out studio, when UTV as a media organisation possibly had equipment, staff, offices and studio space it could have used more efficiently.

Bizzare to think that UTV Radio uses Communicorp (newstalk) for National News. And having listened to a number of news services around the country on the Radio Player I wonder what the point is of local radio, when most use the same news service, indeed the only ones not airing that news where music stations.

political analyst

Elmo wrote: »

You know that I don't believe that UTV Ireland needed PSB status from the minister due to both the Broadcasting Act 2009 and the EU's AVWF directive, indeed their was little need for them to obtain a licence from the BAI, when it could have been easily got from OfCom.

Either there is need to get a licence from the BAI to launch a channel in Ireland or there isn't. The law is the law.

Elmo

political analyst wrote: »

Either there is need to get a licence from the BAI to launch a channel in Ireland or there isn't. The law is the law.

The law states there is no need to get a broadcast licence in the local jurisdiction.

No EU government can prevent the broadcast of channel that has a currently broadcast licence from another EU state on any platform.

For example: Sweden's pay TV service TV3 and its FTA sister TV6 are licensed in the United Kingdom.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV3_%28Sweden%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV6_(Sweden)

While the Irish government designated Soarview for Public Service Broadcasters it also allows for the network provider to provide non-PSB channels should space be available. Broadcasting Act 2009.

UTV Ireland could be licneced by OfCom in the UK and broadcast from Belfast and Still appear on Saorview (Providing that it had enough space, which it does). Indeed TV3's former CEO Rick Hetherington suggested that he could go to the UK get a licence an forgo any Irish regulations from the then BCI.

Also for the pro-UTV prop people Rights would effect its appearance on Soarview, TV3 still would have Irish rights to many ITV programmes. UTV on Saorview would have to drop those shows, its likely in such a situation that TV3 would have fought for UTV to drop those shows on UPC also.

political analyst

Ireland Live referendum special this Saturday afternoon at 5:30.

iseegirls

30 minutes on UTV Ireland, 2 hours on TV3, 5 hours on RTE1, but only 15mins on TG4.

Elmo

iseegirls wrote: »

30 minutes on UTV Ireland, 2 hours on TV3, 5 hours on RTE1, but only 15mins on TG4.

UTV will have hourly updates.

Referendums are never as good as elections. Pity none took the decision to cover Ref 2015 from Carlow Kilkenny count.

Election 2016 will be the big decider.

hotmail.com

Given the hype and the larger than normal turnout, only a half an hour coverage seems a bit crap.

political analyst

hotmail.com wrote: »

Given the hype and the larger than normal turnout, only a half an hour coverage seems a bit crap.

Most referendum watchers will tune in to RTÉ and most of the rest of them will tune in to TV3 at 4. The number watching the Ireland Live special will be miniscule.

Elmo

hotmail.com wrote: »

Given the hype and the larger than normal turnout, only a half an hour coverage seems a bit crap.

For 2 channels that don't normal air news at the weekend your lucky the state runs elections on a Friday for them to provide coverage.

Surprised by TG4 as the usually go for more coverage, indeed it may just be because of cut backs at RTÉ

Elmo

When do the pres age boxes get open because it looks like only RTÉ will cover that vote!

SPDUB

Elmo wrote: »

When do the pres age boxes get open because it looks like only RTÉ will cover that vote!

9am this morning .All papers go into the one box

Elmo

SPDUB wrote: »

9am this morning .All papers go into the one box

When do they get counted? I wasn't being literal.

SPDUB

Elmo wrote: »

When do they get counted? I wasn't being literal.

The minister ordered that they would be counted after the count was finished for the marriage equality Referendum

Elmo

SPDUB wrote: »

The minister ordered that they would be counted after the count was finished for the marriage equality Referendum

So as I said only RTÉ2 & news now will cover that vote.

ciarandee1

is anyone having trouble with medialive website they have updated it and not letting me login. is this happening to anyone else

An Ciarraioch

ciarandee1 wrote: »

is anyone having trouble with medialive website they have updated it and not letting me login. is this happening to anyone else

Annoyingly, you've to re-register your details, if your originals don't work, use a different e-mail account and you'll be in.

iseegirls

Yep had to register again. So odd that they haven't kept the old usernames.

hotmail.com

Do they upload the full news programme on their player? I can't find yesterday's.

ciarandee1

when i try to register it asks for county and i tried donegal and co.donegal and keeps saying its an invalid input

Elmo

hotmail.com wrote: »

Do they upload the full news programme on their player? I can't find yesterday's.

Prob on their player rather than the news section.

hotmail.com

Elmo wrote: »

Prob on their player rather than the news section.

It's not up unfortunately.

Elmo

hotmail.com wrote: »

It's not up unfortunately.

Is Friday's news?

twinklerunner

Looks like it's not just this thread that's losing interest:

http://www.independent.ie/business/media/utv-news-at-530-gets-just-7000-viewers-31296693.html

Their marketing team needs replacing if the shows aren't getting an audience or change the whole programme format back to the ITV/UTV schedule!

Elmo

twinklerunner wrote: »

Looks like it's not just this thread that's losing interest:

http://www.independent.ie/business/media/utv-news-at-530-gets-just-7000-viewers-31296693.html

You'd have to wonder why IMN aren't interested in TV3.

From that article: -
Lowest audience of 7,000 for Ireland Live (10/06/15)
Lowest audience of ??,??? for The 5:30
Lowest audience of ???,??? for Six One
Average audience of 17,500 for Ireland Live
Average audience of 108,000 for The 5:30
Average audience of ???,??? for Six One
Highest audience of 38,000 for Ireland Live (1/6/15)
Sameday audience of 468,000 for Six One
Sameday audience of ???,??? for The 5:30
Highest audience of ???,??? for The 5:30
Highest audience of ???,??? for Six One

TV3's Source "TV3 owns the 5.30 slot".

twinklerunner

Elmo wrote: »

You'd have to wonder why IMN aren't interested in TV3.

From that article: -
Lowest audience of 7,000 for Ireland Live (10/06/15)
Lowest audience of ??,??? for The 5:30
Lowest audience of ???,??? for Six One
Average audience of 17,500 for Ireland Live
Average audience of 108,000 for The 5:30
Average audience of ???,??? for Six One
Highest audience of 38,000 for Ireland Live (1/6/15)
Sameday audience of 468,000 for Six One
Sameday audience of ???,??? for The 5:30
Highest audience of ???,??? for The 5:30
Highest audience of ???,??? for Six One

TV3's Source "TV3 owns the 5.30 slot".

Indeed .. also no mention in the article of ratings for TV3's 8pm News

Joo0

7,000 viewers on Wednesday night is shocking. I didnt think things were that bad at UTVI

Elmo

Joo0 wrote: »

7,000 viewers on Wednesday night is shocking. I didnt think things were that bad at UTVI

There not, they're News Programmes are just not finding an audience.
We still have no figures on TV3 News at 8 and The 7 O'Clock Show's highest audience 70,000.