The ITV Thread

Elmo

galtee boy wrote: »

Never thought I would say this, but I think TV3 has improved since UTVI came along, more home produced programming definitely. Some of the programmes may not be for everyone, but at least they are making an effort. Going HD in August will help big time too. UTVI has been a disappointment so far, but it is very early days, to be fair to them.

The problem for TV3 remains they have very little outside of there irish shows. Their imports are dire and their decision to move LLL to 7 is not work. What quality they have is surrounded by a sea of quantity.

UTV meanwhile have coro st and Emmers which would now work for TV3 had they not been so stupid to let them go, but then eircom did sell eircell!

Machinehead

Double post, sorry.

Machinehead

galtee boy wrote: »

Never thought I would say this, but I think TV3 has improved since UTVI came along, more home produced programming definitely. Some of the programmes may not be for everyone, but at least they are making an effort. Going HD in August will help big time too. UTVI has been a disappointment so far, but it is very early days, to be fair to them.

When & where was that announced as definite, is Saorview included?

galtee boy

Machinehead wrote: »

When & where was that announced as definite, is Saorview included?

Two weeks ago approx, when they launched their Rubgy World Cup coverage, they said TV3 HD would launch in August, I think they mentioned Sky and UPC, but no mention of Saorview.

JCX BXC

So UTV want to become the second most watched Irish channel? I admire their confidence, it wont work though. They have terrible terrible programming. They would be lucky to stay ahead of 3e the way they are going.

Elmo

Carnacalla wrote: »

So UTV want to become the second most watched Irish channel? I admire their confidence, it wont work though. They have terrible terrible programming. They would be lucky to stay ahead of 3e the way they are going.

Well they've now stated they expect to loss more than originally expected from UTV Ireland.

RTÉ2, TV3 and UTV will all be lucky to stay ahead of 3e.

RTÉ2 - Sports
TV3 - Daytime TV/Vincent Browne
UTV Ireland - ITV Soaps

Merge the 3 and you might have competition for RTÉ ONE.

firestarter51

: Losses at UTV Ireland expected to be €8.35m via @RTENewsNow http://t.co/lYSy06F4F1

Infoanon

Carnacalla wrote: »

So UTV want to become the second most watched Irish channel? I admire their confidence, it wont work though. They have terrible terrible programming. They would be lucky to stay ahead of 3e the way they are going.

They are already the second most watched channel thanks to the Soaps.

It says a lot about the recent direction of RTE2 programming.

icdg

I never knew 3e had such a big fan club....

icdg

The Pat Kenny show will have the unwieldy title "Pat Kenny in the Round" and be one hour long, with an audience and long format interviews, according to today's Times.

twinklerunner

icdg wrote: »

The Pat Kenny show will have the unwieldy title "Pat Kenny in the Round" and be one hour long, with an audience and long format interviews, according to today's Times.

What are the chances of TV3 digging out some old episodes of The Dunphy Show and putting them up against it in their schedule .. as per Ant & Dec!

firestarter51

twinklerunner wrote: »

What are the chances of TV3 digging out some old episodes of The Dunphy Show and putting them up against it in their schedule .. as per Ant & Dec!

the Ant and Dec thing almost fooled me the other Saturday, they mentioned mothers day being the next day, i thought i got my weeks mixed up lol
stupid tv3 showing a repeat.

Charles Slane

icdg wrote: »

The Pat Kenny show will have the unwieldy title "Pat Kenny in the Round" and be one hour long, with an audience and long format interviews, according to today's Times.

"Pat Kenny in the Round"? Great! I'll have a large brandy!

icdg

My thoughts when I heard the title too...

Elmo

Yeah the title is well how should I put it in the round ....

Ratings across the board terrible but UTV Ireland has drop to 40,000 viewers towards the end of their top 20!

1 Coronation Street 331
2 Coronation Street 331
3 Coronation Street 325
4 Coronation Street 323
5 Coronation Street 289
6 Emmerdale 279
7 Emmerdale 264
8 Emmerdale 251
9 Emmerdale 251
10 Emmerdale 247
11 Rare Breed: A Farming Year 160
12 Paul & Nick's Big American Food Trip 130
13 Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway 110
14 The Chase 104
15 Doc Martin 89
16 Midsomer Murders 81
17 Big Star's Little Star 74
18 Lewis 67
19 The Jonathan Ross Show 46
20 Richard Wilson On The Road 40

irishfeen

Elmo wrote: »

Yeah the title is well how should I put it in the round ....

Ratings across the board terrible but UTV Ireland has drop to 40,000 viewers towards the end of their top 20!

1 Coronation Street 331
2 Coronation Street 331
3 Coronation Street 325
4 Coronation Street 323
5 Coronation Street 289
6 Emmerdale 279
7 Emmerdale 264
8 Emmerdale 251
9 Emmerdale 251
10 Emmerdale 247
11 Rare Breed: A Farming Year 160
12 Paul & Nick's Big American Food Trip 130
13 Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway 110
14 The Chase 104
15 Doc Martin 89
16 Midsomer Murders 81
17 Big Star's Little Star 74
18 Lewis 67
19 The Jonathan Ross Show 46
20 Richard Wilson On The Road 40

From 12 up they will be very happy though ... surprised to see the American Food Trip and Rare Breed continuing to do so good... below that I agree - not good!

Elmo

irishfeen wrote: »

From 12 up they will be very happy though ... surprised to see the American Food Trip and Rare Breed continuing to do so good... below that I agree - not good!

Rare Breed and American Food Trip are sandwiched between Coronation Street, any of TV3's original programmes got around the same audience at 8 on Friday and Monday nights, EastEnders isn't as strong as either Coro St. If TV3 had started Red Rock this time last year 8pm Monday and Friday night would have been the best place to schedule it with an omnibus following on of the Weekend ITV shows. J curve.

irishfeen

Elmo wrote: »

Rare Breed and American Food Trip are sandwiched between Coronation Street, any of TV3's original programmes got around the same audience at 8 on Friday and Monday nights, EastEnders isn't as strong as either Coro St. If TV3 had started Red Rock this time last year 8pm Monday and Friday night would have been the best place to schedule it with an omnibus following on of the Weekend ITV shows. J curve.

I presume though the strong figures for the ITV soaps will do them over the first few years until they build their channel up properly.

ciarandee1

but compared to tv3 viewing figures they are doing well if tv3 lost all itv content and could not show repeats they would be doing much better

Elmo

ciarandee1 wrote: »

but compared to tv3 viewing figures they are doing well if tv3 lost all itv content and could not show repeats they would be doing much better

UTV Ireland have to be worried that every programme they air outside their top twenty gets less than 40,000 viewers. Even Emmerdale's Thursday Nights 8pm episode which went out against EastEnders.

NormanNicetouch

Elmo wrote: »

UTV Ireland have to be worried that every programme they air outside their top twenty gets less than 40,000 viewers. Even Emmerdale's Thursday Nights 8pm episode which went out against EastEnders.

Emmerdale had a one hour episode at 7pm. Don't forget that these figures are for live viewing only by age 15+ as they are produced mainly for the benefit of advertisers. They don't include catch up viewing, even if it is on the same day. The actual consolidated audience for all these programmes will be significantly higher and especially so for those programmes which attract a large number of under 15s.

irishfeen

ciarandee1 wrote: »

but compared to tv3 viewing figures they are doing well if tv3 lost all itv content and could not show repeats they would be doing much better

Yep, TV3 are in big trouble if they lost all ITV programming including repeat content.

ciarandee1

irishfeen wrote: »

Yep, TV3 are in big trouble if they lost all ITV programming including repeat content.

well i think they only hold the rights until 2016, but don't know if t is the start middle or end.

ciarandee1

irishfeen wrote: »

Yep, TV3 are in big trouble if they lost all ITV programming including repeat content.

well i think they only hold the rights until 2016, but don't know if it is the start middle or end.

Elmo

NormanNicetouch wrote: »

Emmerdale had a one hour episode at 7pm. Don't forget that these figures are for live viewing only by age 15+ as they are produced mainly for the benefit of advertisers. They don't include catch up viewing, even if it is on the same day. The actual consolidated audience for all these programmes will be significantly higher and especially so for those programmes which attract a large number of under 15s.

Advertisers want +15 and live, tbh there are very few TV shows worth catching up on any of the irish on demand services.

icdg

I've had a look at the Sunday Times article Elmo mentioned in the TV3 thread. Here's a much more appropriate place to talk about it. Obviously we can't republish the article but here's a few points from it:

- TV3 argued the decision to give UTV Ireland public service status was made before the application was even received (obviously, at one point, they may have been considering a JR so important to attack the procedure rather than the decision).
- Argued that UTV would have lower costs than TV3 (not a reason for refusing public service status!)
- Argued that TV3 should have had a role in the decision (why???)
- Argued that UTV sold advertising on the basis that it would be free to air before the decision was made.
- Argued that having an Irish news service was not a qualification for public service status.

At this stage TV3 would be statute barred from JRing the Minister's decision but they may have been considering it at some stage. I think under any objective consideration of the criteria under the Act there were no grounds to refuse UTV public service status particularly when 3e has it.

Elmo

I don't think the minister should have the right to make a broadcaster PBS, in reality most PBS licences are given through competition.

While a JR could have been taken the judge would have had to refered to the EUs AVWF directive which prevents EU states blocking transmissions and AFAIK the irish broadcasting act which says RTÉ can sell bandwidth to non-PSB if it is available

An Ciarraioch

Understandable that they would opt-out of the UK Election Debate, but it'd still arguably have done better than Trawlermen's Lives and Caught on Camera?

I like that Double Decker Driving School programme,its running simultaneously with ITV1,so at least its not another repeat!

A Disgrace

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Understandable that they would opt-out of the UK Election Debate, but it'd still arguably have done better than Trawlermen's Lives and Caught on Camera?

Well, I would have watched it anyway