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The ITV Thread

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  • #2102
    Joo0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭Joo0


    Elmo wrote: »
    There not, they're News Programmes are just not finding an audience.
    We still have no figures on TV3 News at 8 and The 7 O'Clock Show's highest audience 70,000.

    The only thing that is doing well for UTVI is the soaps


  • #2103
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Joo0 wrote: »
    The only thing that is doing well for UTVI is the soaps

    What's doing well on TV3? Other than BGT?


  • #2104
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Elmo wrote: »
    What's doing well on TV3? Other than BGT?

    I think they have got a great audience for their press releases. They appear to travel well with the print media.


  • #2105
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I think they have got a great audience for their press releases. They appear to travel well with the print media.

    Indeed just don't include Xpose, Midday, The 12:30 and News @ 8.

    Press also avoids UTV's 8pm programmes on Monday and Friday night both of which do as well as Red Rock


  • #2106
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    What's with the whole not showing the movies that's on UTV ?

    It's like UTV Ireland is to UTV like 3e is to TV3.


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  • #2107
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    What's with the whole not showing the movies that's on UTV ?

    It's like UTV Ireland is to UTV like 3e is to TV3.

    Movies on UTV are bought by the ITV Network. E.G. RTÉ hold the rights to James Bond movies in RoI, while ITV also hold them for UK audiences. UTV Ireland have few rights to movies in RoI.


  • #2108
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    I wouldn't use the TV3-3e analogy at all, but you have to remember UTV's deal with ITV only involves programming ITV makes itself, though they've managed to acquire rights to some others. They do not broadcast ITV News (except for bulletins integrated into Good Morning Britain) and can only broadcast ITV Sport programmes if they independently acquire the rights to the event in question (they have done this on two occasions, the Cricket World Cup and one professional boxing card). And no imports or movies either. This leaves them with a severly cut down schedule over UTV (NI). However, to look upon the positive aspects, they do broadcast the vast majority of the ITV daytime schedule.


  • #2109
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Maybe I should have put it differently, but if you like movies it feels like UTV lite.

    Today they are showing three repeats of The Chase instead of Jurassic Park :(


  • #2110
    Puddle Q
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 76 ✭✭Puddle Q


    When will the penny drop and this sorry mess is ended ? UTV Ireland is hopeless. The reset button needs to be pressed and go back to the pre launch situation.


  • #2111
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Puddle Q wrote: »
    When will the penny drop and this sorry mess is ended ? UTV Ireland is hopeless. The reset button needs to be pressed and go back to the pre launch situation.
    Being realistic it's the same with TV3 now after losing the ITV soaps. It's hard to know where both will go into the future, UTV have the big advantage of a big media organisation behind them so more rights investment is very much possible.

    One big event happening next year (I think) is TV3 losing archive rights to ITV shows - that alone will decimate their schedule down to almost nothing of value at all.


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  • #2112
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Its a complete embarrassment, almost as if UTV thought it was 1980, you can't launch a channel and assume people will beat a path to your door in 2015. They didn't plan anything other than grabbing the rights to Corrie and Emmerdale it seems.

    What has happened is that the UTV brand is now badly sullied and is now associated with things you can't see rather than things you can.


  • #2113
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Its a complete embarrassment, almost as if UTV thought it was 1980, you can't launch a channel and assume people will beat a path to your door in 2015. They didn't plan anything other than grabbing the rights to Corrie and Emmerdale it seems.

    What has happened is that the UTV brand is now badly sullied and is now associated with things you can't see rather than things you can.
    They are not even on the air 12 months so you are being ridiculously hard on them - schedule is very poor at the minute but their news output is actually good.

    I'll give them a few years to develop properly before rushing to judgement - their MD has stated that rights will be acquired when they become available. If they fail at UTVI it will be a major embarassment for the media group - I don't think we will see them just fade away in their first year.


  • #2114
    Puddle Q
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 76 ✭✭Puddle Q


    irishfeen wrote: »
    They are not even on the air 12 months so you are being ridiculously hard on them - schedule is very poor at the minute but their news output is actually good.

    I'll give them a few years to develop properly before rushing to judgement - their MD has stated that rights will be acquired when they become available. If they fail at UTVI it will be a major embarassment for the media group - I don't think we will see them just fade away in their first year.

    All this could have been prevent with a modicum of planning. The fact that this is missing leads me to believe management there is by clowns


  • #2115
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Have they indicated anything for the Autumn/Winter yet? They'll need a "blockbuster" mix of drama and reality sh1t (and sport if they have any ambitions in that direction) if they are going to make it to their first anniversary on anything other than a crutch.


  • #2116
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Puddle Q wrote: »
    All this could have been prevent with a modicum of planning. The fact that this is missing leads me to believe management there is by clowns
    They have built a studio, employed over 100 people, launched on sky, UPC, Saorview, eVision and acquired ITV shows from TV3..... Give them some credit!

    Apart from losing out to RTÉ and TV3 on Champions League games I don't see how they could have prised away any more major rights. All film/Sport/series distribution rights for locked down in long term contracts with RTÉ/TV3/TG4/Setanta/Sky.

    Over the next few years these rights will become available for UTV to bid for, I think it will be fairer to judge them properly then.


  • #2117
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Have they indicated anything for the Autumn/Winter yet? They'll need a "blockbuster" mix of drama and reality sh1t (and sport if they have any ambitions in that direction) if they are going to make it to their first anniversary on anything other than a crutch.
    Do you mean homemade stuff from UTV themselves?? .. because if not you have to understand that almost all "blockbuster" stuff is locked away from UTV under deals signed with other broadcasters.

    UTV can't just say "we want Game of Thrones from next week on" ...


  • #2118
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    So they launched a channel with no regard to first run content availability?


  • #2119
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,799 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    irishfeen wrote: »
    Apart from losing out to RTÉ and TV3 on Champions League games I don't see how they could have prised away any more major rights. All film/Sport/series distribution rights for locked down in long term contracts with RTÉ/TV3/TG4/Setanta/Sky.

    This is what a lot of people seem to be forgetting/don't realise.


  • #2120
    Puddle Q
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 76 ✭✭Puddle Q


    irishfeen wrote: »
    They have built a studio, employed over 100 people, launched on sky, UPC, Saorview, eVision and acquired ITV shows from TV3..... Give them some credit!

    Apart from losing out to RTÉ and TV3 on Champions League games I don't see how they could have prised away any more major rights. All film/Sport/series distribution rights for locked down in long term contracts with RTÉ/TV3/TG4/Setanta/Sky.

    Over the next few years these rights will become available for UTV to bid for, I think it will be fairer to judge them properly then.

    Yeah they did all that and forgot the crucial part of what will attract an audience !!!!


  • #2121
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,799 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    So they launched a channel with no regard to first run content availability?

    They should have ignored ITV Studios and not launched until some film rights became available? It's better to start off small and grow.


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  • #2122
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    So they launched a channel with no regard to first run content availability?
    They have already said they only launched because they won the ITV Soaps from TV3... everything else is secondary as they knew they will keep the channel afloat before adding new stuff..

    If you look at the current market share Year-On-Year UTV are not too far away from TV3 even now - that's basically 3 programmes (Emmerdale, Coronation Street and Rare Breed) putting them only a few % away from a broadcaster around since 1998.

    RTE One: 17.7% (20% 2014)
    RTE Two: 4.9% (7%)
    TV3: 7.3% (11%)
    3e: 2.6% (3%)
    TG4: 2.1% (2%)
    UTV: 0.71 (3%)
    UTV Ireland: 5.8% (N/A)


  • #2123
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Puddle Q wrote: »
    When will the penny drop and this sorry mess is ended ? UTV Ireland is hopeless. The reset button needs to be pressed and go back to the pre launch situation.

    If we remember what the pre-launch situation was it was no ITV on the Sky EPG and no ITV at all on Eircom. For customers of these two platforms any ITV, even in the cut down form of UTV Ireland, is better than no ITV at all. True for UPC customers this is a major disprovement, but if you buy the line that it was UPC's decision to drop UTV NI (and let me be clear - I don't buy it) then that was going to happen anyway.


  • #2124
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Jurassic Park broadcast rights are with RTÉ they've aired them in the past few weeks on 2


  • #2125
    Delta2113
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    The D.O.G. in the top left hand corner puts me off from watching anything on Utv Ireland.

    I had set it to record a film a few weeks back and I cancelled the recording when I thought about the D.O.G.

    I like Billy Connolly but because it's on Utv Ireland - I just didn' t bother with it. When I mention UTv Ireland to my friends they just say how bad it is.


  • #2126
    iseegirls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    irishfeen wrote: »
    One big event happening next year (I think) is TV3 losing archive rights to ITV shows - that alone will decimate their schedule down to almost nothing of value at all.

    Decimate their schedule?? Very overdramatic. Their Top 20 shows of last week has only just 2 programmes that they would lose the repeats of.


  • #2127
    iseegirls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    irishfeen wrote: »
    One big event happening next year (I think) is TV3 losing archive rights to ITV shows - that alone will decimate their schedule down to almost nothing of value at all.

    Decimate their schedule?? Very overdramatic. Their Top 20 shows of last week has only just 2 programmes that they would lose the repeats of.


  • #2128
    ziggyman17
    Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭ziggyman17


    It is a rubbish station........... They have tried to become a success off the back of 2 soaps.. No film rights, no rights to any sports, nothing of any note.. Its a station that nobody needed or wanted....... And will hopefully be dead in the water soon... We are a small country and already have 4 Irish based stations here, add in the stations on offer through Sky and UPC and UTV Ireland was never going to get off the ground with the content they had to start with... Pure greed is what this station is about.......


  • #2129
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    iseegirls wrote: »
    Decimate their schedule?? Very overdramatic. Their Top 20 shows of last week has only just 2 programmes that they would lose the repeats of.
    No The Graham Norton Show, Saturday Night Takeaway, The Chase etc.

    All TV3 will be left with (secure until 2016) of any major value will be

    UK/US X Factor
    Britain’s Got Talent
    Family Fortunes
    Take Me Out
    Downton Abbey
    I'm a Celebrity

    .. few of them even scraping the barrel.


  • #2130
    irishfeen
    Registered Users Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    ziggyman17 wrote: »
    It is a rubbish station........... They have tried to become a success off the back of 2 soaps.. No film rights, no rights to any sports, nothing of any note.. Its a station that nobody needed or wanted....... And will hopefully be dead in the water soon... We are a small country and already have 4 Irish based stations here, add in the stations on offer through Sky and UPC and UTV Ireland was never going to get off the ground with the content they had to start with... Pure greed is what this station is about.......
    A "rubbish station" which created more then 100 jobs, launched only the second Irish HD channel on Sky and will IMO bring much needed competition to RTÉ/TV3 in future years... would you prefer they go broke and sent 100 people not to mention the spin off jobs to the dole queue??

    Ireland is plenty big enough to have three main broadcasters - RTÉ, TV3 and UTVI.


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  • #2131
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Elmo wrote: »
    Jurassic Park broadcast rights are with RTÉ they've aired them in the past few weeks on 2
    They still could have showed old classic films or old ITV series with feature length episodes.

    They should remember that a lot of people watching UTV Ireland won't be watching ITV2, 3 or 4 so there is no shortage of material to choose from.


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