The ITV Thread

iseegirls · 09-02-2016 6:06pm

Elmo wrote: »

Is collette the token woman? 2 presenters 20 politician!

Are you questioning Joan Burtons sexuality?

In seriousness, Collette does seem to handle these well ( I think she did it 4 years ago, maybe wrong ) Still surprised she doesn't have a Claire byrne style show for her on TV3, or why midweek was axed.

icdg · 19-02-2016 11:17am

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/utv-s-sale-of-television-business-to-close-by-the-end-of-february-1.2540952

Sale to ITV should close within next week, all remaining consents have been obtained.

19-02-2016 11:42am

It'll be interesting to see how long things change on screen, i.e. branding and programme schedules!

iseegirls · 19-02-2016 12:02pm

zorro2566 wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see how long things change on screen, i.e. branding and programme schedules!

Doubt much of the schedule will change at all. It's all dictated surrounding ITV's schedule during the weekday at least. Weekends are awful on the channel though and it's the one area it struggles most with. That could do with a revamp. But I guess it's all about what ITV Studios have in terms of entertainment coming up.

Hotblack Desiato · 19-02-2016 10:13pm

It's been a very disappointing 13 months for UTV plc but for the viewers too.

To this day the only thing I've ever watched on it was the first series of Outnumbered which I'd never seen. Ironically a BBC production, and quite a bit old!

Clearly I'm not a soap fan - but the other half just watches them on BBC and 'proper' ITV on Freesat anyway.

Elmo · 20-02-2016 12:16am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

To this day the only thing I've ever watched on it was the first series of Outnumbered which I'd never seen. Ironically a BBC production, and quite a bit old!

This is the problem that UTV Ireland had. They should not have named the channel UTV or ITV or branded in such a manor. They should have launched as TV5.

The second problem was not making sure the audience knew what UTV Ireland was, Outnumbered is a BBC programme that is distributed by ITV Studios, and ITV Studios have a number of BBC programmes, and UTV bought those programmes. This is important because certain ITV programmes are have other distributors such as BBC Worldwide, which RTÉ hold the rights to so an ITV programme like Scott & Bailey will end up on RTÉ!

While other ITV programmes are with other distributors that TV3 hold the rights to.

Jack Killian · 20-02-2016 12:22am

Elmo wrote: »

This is the problem that UTV Ireland had. They should not have named the channel UTV or ITV or branded in such a manor. They should have launched as TV5.

The second problem was not making sure the audience knew what UTV Ireland was, Outnumbered is a BBC programme that is distributed by ITV Studios, and ITV Studios have a number of BBC programmes, and UTV bought those programmes. This is important because certain ITV programmes are have other distributors such as BBC Worldwide, which RTÉ hold the rights to so an ITV programme like Scott & Bailey will end up on RTÉ!

While other ITV programmes are with other distributors that TV3 hold the rights to.

I think their biggest problem was that they showed SFA worthwhile! Between the worst of the ITV crap (and in fairness TV3 is as bad in that regard) plus no proper Irish content at all, and the horrendous decision to show "Good Morning Britain", the whole thing stank of "ah shure the dumb Paddies with take our leftovers with a half-assed effort".

It was the equivalent of Sky News "Ireland" with the benefit of Saorview.

MarkK · 20-02-2016 1:21am

Elmo wrote: »

should have launched as TV5.
.

Sky116
Virgin Media110
Saorview6
eir Vision108

So why TV5 ?

Elmo · 20-02-2016 1:38am

MarkK wrote: »

Sky116
Virgin Media110
Saorview6
eir Vision108

So why TV5 ?

5th channel 6 had already been taken. TVA or TVE.

Hotblack Desiato · 20-02-2016 1:40am

Elmo wrote: »

ITV Studios have a number of BBC programmes, and UTV bought those programmes. This is important because certain ITV programmes are have other distributors such as BBC Worldwide, which RTÉ hold the rights to so an ITV programme like Scott & Bailey will end up on RTÉ!

While other ITV programmes are with other distributors that TV3 hold the rights to.

So some ITV programmes are distributed outside of the UK by ITV Studios, some by BBC Worldwide and some by others. What a mess! You'd think that since almost all of ITV was consolidated into one company a good while ago now, they'd have assigned the non-UK rights to the programmes they make/commission to a single entity.

Elmo · 20-02-2016 2:16am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

So some ITV programmes are distributed outside of the UK by ITV Studios, some by BBC Worldwide and some by others. What a mess! You'd think that since almost all of ITV was consolidated into one company a good while ago now, they'd have assigned the non-UK rights to the programmes they make/commission to a single entity.

Each independent company have deals with different distributors. ITV studios itself produces programmes for other UK broadcasters, eg Graham Norton.

ITV now plan to commission all programmes for the UK and Ireland, in effect RoI becomes a region, I expect The Voice UK to air on ITV Ireland in 2017.

MarkK · 20-02-2016 2:23am

Elmo wrote: »

5th channel 6 had already been taken. TVA or TVE.

Channel 6 was called that because Setanta has channel 5 on cable.

When UTV Ireland was launched, 3e had already taken the 5th slot on Saorview and Sky, while Setanta had it on Cable.

Elmo · 20-02-2016 2:34am

MarkK wrote: »

Channel 6 was called that because Setanta has channel 5 on cable.

When UTV Ireland was launched, 3e had already taken the 5th slot on Saorview and Sky, while Setanta had it on Cable.

C6 was about to get a licence from OfCom, they couldn't be channel 5.
Well then channel 10, but only if the took the 10 spot across the EPGs. Anything but UTV in the name.

20-02-2016 4:58am

I wonder will we get Itv 2,3,4 and Encore on the Sky epg here once the takeover is complete!

icdg · 20-02-2016 10:17am

It was always going to be UTV Ireland - they were never throwing away 45 years of brand awareness to start afresh.

As I keep saying, the views of those who wanted UTVi to be the 16th ITV region and those wanted it to be a completely separate channel are impossible to reconcile.

Jack Killian · 20-02-2016 10:50am

Elmo wrote: »

C6 was about to get a licence from OfCom, they couldn't be channel 5.
Well then channel 10, but only if the took the 10 spot across the EPGs. Anything but UTV in the name.

Different country, so has no bearing on it.

Jack Killian · 20-02-2016 10:52am

icdg wrote: »

It was always going to be UTV Ireland - they were never throwing away 45 years of brand awareness to start afresh.

Not sure re the 45 years; maybe 20 or so ?

Better than damaging it irreparably, no ?

20-02-2016 11:23am

icdg wrote: »

It was always going to be UTV Ireland - they were never throwing away 45 years of brand awareness to start afresh.

As I keep saying, the views of those who wanted UTVi to be the 16th ITV region and those wanted it to be a completely separate channel are impossible to reconcile.

Truth be told, it was simply impossible for it to be the 16th ITV region with exactly the same programming as the other 15.

gordongekko · 20-02-2016 11:31am

Elmo wrote: »

Each independent company have deals with different distributors. ITV studios itself produces programmes for other UK broadcasters, eg Graham Norton.

ITV now plan to commission all programmes for the UK and Ireland, in effect RoI becomes a region, I expect The Voice UK to air on ITV Ireland in 2017.

Rte have the rights to the voice in Ireland

Charles Slane · 20-02-2016 1:24pm

icdg wrote: »

As I keep saying, the views of those who wanted UTVi to be the 16th ITV region and those wanted it to be a completely separate channel are impossible to reconcile.

Absolutely! As evidenced by the disappointment that Good Morning Britain was not being shown at first, and then the outrage when it was. They couldn't win.

Jack Killian · 20-02-2016 1:38pm

Charles Slane wrote: »

Absolutely! As evidenced by the disappointment that Good Morning Britain was not being shown at first, and then the outrage when it was. They couldn't win.

There was "outrage" ? Where ?

I remember some mumbles due to the full UTV not being available, thereby inconveniencing whatever GMB fans there were, but I never remember anyone objecting to it not being shown on the new channel.

Is GMB shown in NI ? Just curious, considering that isn't in Britain ?

icdg · 20-02-2016 1:57pm

Yes, but they don't have a choice about it - ITV owns the airtime between 06:00-9:25, it's a separate franchise.

MarkK · 20-02-2016 4:24pm

Jack Killian wrote: »

There was "outrage" ? Where ?

On this thread for one:

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

Just lodged a formal complaint with UTV Ireland and the BAI about them broadcasting GMB... this is outrageous!

Dodge · 20-02-2016 4:24pm

Jack Killian wrote: »

Is GMB shown in NI ? Just curious, considering that isn't in Britain ?

This isn't the place for political point scoring.

icdg · 20-02-2016 4:28pm

Nor the place for backseat moderation

Elmo · 20-02-2016 5:09pm

The UTV name wasn't a major pull by 2015 it's audience share was dipping below 3%. UTV Ireland has a 6% share purely down to its broadcast of Coro St and Emmerdale.

Let's face it 3e had a 5% share when it broadcast I'm a celeb ... I doubt it's brand did anything for I'm a celeb ... Audience.

The UTV brand only confused the audience. BTW on GMB on UTV remember ITV hold the licence for morning TV on ITV across the UK, STV and UTV do not broadcast during those hours.

dublinman1990 · 21-02-2016 1:40am

gordongekko wrote: »

Rte have the rights to the voice in Ireland

I think you've confused your wording a little bit here.

RTE show The Voice of Ireland that is hosted by Kathryn Thomas, Eoghan Mc Dermott and a completely different set of Irish Judges namely Bressie, Kian Egan, Rachel Stevens and Una Foden.

You're mixing it up with the UK version that is going from the BBC to ITV very soon.

Jack Killian · 21-02-2016 1:52am

MarkK wrote: »

On this thread for one:

My bad. I should have said "disappointment where".

I know there was disappointment that some people didn't have UTV anymore, but I doubt that anyone expected a foreign "Good Morning" show on an Irish channel ?

Jack Killian · 21-02-2016 1:53am

Dodge wrote: »

This isn't the place for political point scoring.

Not point-scoring at all; just stating facts.

MarkK · 21-02-2016 2:49am

Jack Killian wrote: »

My bad. I should have said "disappointment where".

I don't see how that changes anything

Jack Killian wrote: »

I know there was disappointment that some people didn't have UTV anymore, but I doubt that anyone expected a foreign "Good Morning" show on an Irish channel ?

So if UTV Ireland had started 10 years ago and had shown GMTV and then Daybreak, they would have thought it was entirely reasonable them to stop showing the ITV breakfast programme when it was renamed "Good Morning Britain"?

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