If all players had to return to their parent club

Ranchu

Everton would only have Rooney, Mustafi, Rodwell, Gosling,Duffy, Anichebe and Jutkiewics to join up with Barkley, Osman and Hibbert.

8-10

Ajax would line up something like:

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Stekelenburg

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-van der Wiel---Vermaelen---Alderweireld---Vertonghen-

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Nigel de Jong

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Eriksen

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Sneijder

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van der Vaart

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Siem de Jong---Fischer

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I'd imagine Partizan Belgrade would have a very impressive squad also

greendom

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Try Madrid, Dortmund and any other top teams except Barca and Bayern. You are underestimating how quality drops for all teams when this criteria is set.

I refer you to my earlier post

Giggsy11

greendom wrote: »

I refer you to my earlier post

Which one? That PL teams are ****ed?

Just try any other big team except Barca and Bayern. Will see how good the team is.

Ajax team is good.

NIMAN

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Try Madrid, Dortmund and any other top teams except Barca and Bayern. You are underestimating how quality drops for all teams when this criteria is set.

Not sure how it would work now, but I remember hearing a stat about Real Madrid about a decade ago that something like 40% of the players playing in La Liga at that time had been involved, at one time or another, in their youth teams.

Surely that would mean a lot of quality players have gone through their system?

Giggsy11

NIMAN wrote: »

Not sure how it would work now, but I remember hearing a stat about Real Madrid about a decade ago that something like 40% of the players playing in La Liga at that time had been involved, at one time or another, in their youth teams.

Surely that would mean a lot of quality players have gone through their system?

If you make a team out of all those players team will look just as ordinary as ManUtd one.

There are around 30 players playing in just PL graduated from ManUtd academy.

greendom

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Which one? That PL teams are ****ed?

Just try any other big team except Barca and Bayern. Will see how good the team is.

Ajax team is good.

not ****ed, just ****e !!

8-10

NIMAN wrote: »

Not sure how it would work now, but I remember hearing a stat about Real Madrid about a decade ago that something like 40% of the players playing in La Liga at that time had been involved, at one time or another, in their youth teams.

Surely that would mean a lot of quality players have gone through their system?

A lot wouldn't have played for the senior team though because of the amount of money they spend on first teamers, plus the fact that they have a B team a lot of players start there - Juan Mata, Negredo, Eto'o etc

Wolf Club

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Just try any other big team except Barca and Bayern. Will see how good the team is.

Dortmund would have Gotze, Reus, Sahin, not bad in fairness.

The Moldy Gowl

What about within the last 30 years or so.

8-10

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

What about within the last 30 years or so.

Still Barca

Skylinehead

8-10 wrote: »

Still Barca

Ajax would give them a run for their money:

The Moldy Gowl

Arsenal/Liverpool/man utd as well.
And the italians?

Celtic

Giggsy11

Wolf Club wrote: »

Dortmund would have Gotze, Reus, Sahin, not bad in fairness.

Reus played elsewhere, made his professional debut for some other team.

Giggsy11

Skylinehead wrote: »

Ajax would give them a run for their money:

ManUtd would give run for their money if we consider 30 years.

Robert Zeiler

Neville/Rafael Pique Shawcross/Evans Fabio

Beckham Pogba Scholes Giggs

Rossi Hughes

Wolf Club

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Reus played elsewhere, made his professional debut for some other team.

Ah right, for some reason I thought he'd only been away from Dortmund for a few seasons before making a return. Poor guy seems to be allergic to trophies!

Given their transfer policy, I'd imagine Athletic Bilbao would be decent as well.

greendom

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Arsenal/Liverpool/man utd as well.
And the italians?

Celtic

Lyon?

ConstantJoe

greendom wrote: »

Lyon?

I had a look, and going by the players in the current French national team, they'd definitely be up there in the French league anyway:

Nice
Lloris

Le Havre
Mandanda

Caen
Costil

Niort
Jallet

Monaco
Kurzawa
Ruffier
Abidal

Lens
Varane

Saint-Etienne
Zouma
Perrin
Guilavogui

Standard Liege
Mangala

Auxerre
Sagna

Lille
Digne
Cabaye
Debuchy

Montpellier
Yanga-Mbiwa
Cabella

Nantes
Payet
Landreau

Libourne
Valbuena

Real Sociedad
Griezmann

Lyon
Gonalons
Benzema
Lacazette
Grenier
Remy

Toulouse
Sissoko

Manchester United
Pogba

Strasbourg
Schneiderlin

Lorient
Gignac

Bordeaux
Tremoulinas
Mavuba

Marzala
Evra

Sochaux
Mathieu

Guingamp
Koscielny

PSG
Sakho

Cannes
Clichy

Troyes
Matuidi

Boulogne
Ribery

Marseille
Nasri

Grenoble
Giroud

Obviously going just by the national team is a really, really crap way of going about it, but it shows that lots of players do make the jump from starting their career there to making it to the French national team.

Skylinehead

Giggsy11 wrote: »

ManUtd would give run for their money if we consider 30 years.

Robert Zeiler

Neville/Rafael Pique Shawcross/Evans Fabio

Beckham Pogba Scholes Giggs

Rossi Hughes

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Van Der Sar
Alderweiweld-Vermaelen-Vertonghen-F.DeBoer

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Sneijder-Seedorf-Van der Vaart

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Bergkamp

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Van Basten-Kluivert
:cool:

Saipanne

Skylinehead wrote: »

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Van Der Sar
Alderweiweld-Vermaelen-Vertonghen-F.DeBoer

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Sneijder-Seedorf-Van der Vaart

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Bergkamp

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Van Basten-Kluivert
:cool:

No Danny Blind?

Skylinehead

Saipanne wrote: »

No Danny Blind?

I actually had his name marked and then completely forgot to add him. Fixed.

elefant

Made a Valencia team...

Guaita

Gaya (switched to right-back)
Albiol
David Navarro (scraping the barrel)
Bernat

Mata
Silva
Isco
Alba

Villa
Paco


Extremely unbalanced, lightweight, midget-sized team.
Still had fun putting it together, and it would make for some high scoring games

POKERKING

City would do ok too, defo survive premier league anyway, prob top half.

Sceimichael

Trippier Richards onouaha Mee

SWP Barton Ireland Lopez

guidetti Sturridge

Subs Glenn whelan, Ched Evans, Emyr Huws, Boyata, Rekik, Bradley wright Phillips, Weiss, Greg Cunningham plus all the current ones and there is a lot of potential there...

that's off top of my head too, I'm sure I'm forgetting loads we have had 45 players play for first team in less than ten years.

DazMarz

Chelsea would be fúcked, in fairness...

batistuta9

not exactly the OPs criteria but sort of related
According to a report by Switzerland’s CIES Football Observatory, Arsenal are currently ninth in the rankings of clubs that have trained the most footballers currently playing for big-five league teams across the globe.
To be considered club-trained, a player must have played for at least three seasons between the ages of 15 and 21 for his employer club.



on the OP, for arsenal i think
szczesny
bellerin k.bartley ? gibbs/a.cole
coquelin/frimpong
fabregas wilshere
gnabry bendtner vela

eh i dunno

Everton would line up with this lot
Stanek
Hibbert Dunne Mustafi Garbutt
Osman Barkley Rodwell
Rooney Anichebe Vaughan

Bridge93

Newcastle don't have much except for a pile of goalkeepers.
Krul, Forster, Harper
Ameobi brothers
Steven Taylor, Andy Carroll, Paul Dummett, N'Zogbia, Abeid, Ferguson, Caldwell, Hughes

Most ok lineup i can think of off the top of my head is:
Krul
Dummett Taylor Caldwell Hughes Ferguson
N' Zogbia Abeid Ameobi
Carroll Ameobi

Rolando Aarons in a year or two hopefully

The Golden Miller

Monaco would be very strong. Ajax would consistently be miles ahead of the rest though

Rayne Wooney

Read that Ajax have spent less on players in their history than Madrid have on Bale, Ronaldo, Rodriguez and Benzema as far as I remember

They would clean up along with Barca

matrim

Villa would have

Myhill

Ridgewell Cahill Baker Lescott

Albrighton Barry Gardner (Craig) Whitingham

Wiemann Agbonlahor

Bench:

Davies
Gardner (Gary)
Bannan
Grealish
Clark
Lihaj
Herd

Not world beaters but you'd possibly have a lower half of the PL team

POKERKING

matrim wrote: »

Villa would have

Myhill

Ridgewell Cahill Baker Lescott

Albrighton Barry Gardner (Craig) Whitingham

Wiemann Agbonlahor

Bench:

Davies
Gardner (Gary)
Bannan
Grealish
Clark
Lihaj
Herd

Not world beaters but you'd possibly have a lower half of the PL team

Im not giving you Lescott! Unless you mean Aaron lescott who is poison, Clark can slot in for him!

matrim

POKERKING wrote: »

Im not giving you Lescott! Unless you mean Aaron lescott who is poison, Clark can slot in for him!

Looks like you're right. I hadn't looked at the first name and just assumed it was Joleon

Billy86

West Ham certainly deserve a mention over the last 30 years.

GK: ???
RB: G. Johnson
CB: R. Ferdinand
CB: A. Ferdinand
LB: Konchesky
DM: Carrick
CM: Ince
AM: Lampard
LWF: J. Cole
RWF: R. Houghton
CF: Defoe

Bench: (GK?), Tomkins, (FB?), Noble, Collison, Freddie Sears, Zamora

Also a bunch of guys who went through their youth system but didn't make their debuts three like Sol Campbell, John Terry, Jimmy Bullard, Matt Holland, Bobby Zamora, Kieran Richardson, JLloyd Samuel and Fitz Hall. Tony Cottee also would be in there, buy he debuted in 1982/8, just too soon.

Billy86

Also Southampton - very top heavy with a lot of new/young players, but their output the last decade or so has been fantastic.

GK: ???
RB: Shaw (moving across since Bridge has bigger CB right now)
CB: C. Chambers
CB: Chris Baird
LB: Bridge
DM: Matt Oakley
CM: Lallana
WF: Walcott
AM/SS: Le Tissier
WF: Bale
CF: Shearer

Bench: (GK?), Jeff Kenna, Francis Benali, Ward-Prowse, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Leon Best, Dexter, Blackstock

Again screwed for keepers and quite thin at the back, but Jaysus - Le God behind Shearer with Bale and one of Walcott/Oxlade-Chamberlain out wide, Lallana further back and good width from Shaw and Bridge!

Captain Havoc

Billy86 wrote: »

West Ham certainly deserve a mention over the last 30 years.

GK: ???
RB: G. Johnson
CB: R. Ferdinand
CB: A. Ferdinand
LB: Konchesky
DM: Carrick
CM: Ince
AM: Lampard
LWF: J. Cole
RWF: R. Houghton
CF: Defoe

Bench: (GK?), Tomkins, (FB?), Noble, Collison, Freddie Sears, Zamora

Also a bunch of guys who went through their youth system but didn't make their debuts three like Sol Campbell, John Terry, Jimmy Bullard, Matt Holland, Bobby Zamora, Kieran Richardson, JLloyd Samuel and Fitz Hall. Tony Cottee also would be in there, buy he debuted in 1982/8, just too soon.

Stephen Bywater is the only keeper that comes to mind.

matrim

I'd only really count current players

Saipanne

matrim wrote: »

I'd only really count current players

Yeah, sure you could pick any time range and make a team. The challenge is making one with active players.

inforfun

Dutch clubs would be winning cups in Europe again if that would happen.

callaway92

uch wrote: »

Crewe Alexandra would defo be in the Champions league every year

Rob Jones
Seth Johnson
Danny Murphy
John Pearson
David Platt
Geoff Thomas

to name a few

Jesus...There's a name that takes me back!

Billy86

matrim wrote: »

I'd only really count current players

Just skimmed the thread and saw something about 3 years. Southampton would still have a very good team - swap Ward Prowse in for Oakley, have a three of Bale/Oxlade-Chamberlain/Walcott behind Best or Blackstock. Move Shaw to LB, but you would still need a keeper and RB or CB (depending on where Chambers would play). Bridge retired over the summer, and Schneiderlin made 5 appearances for Strasbourg before they signed him for 1.2mn (what a signing by the way!).

Jack Cork or Ward Prowse could play FB with the other at CM, just to fill NUMBERS. CMs typically are slotted in those positions in injury crises, but it would be far from ideal and extremely attack heavy.

inforfun

Saipanne wrote: »

No Danny Blind?

Skylinehead wrote: »

I actually had his name marked and then completely forgot to add him. Fixed.

Started at Sparta Rotterdam. Was actually already quite old when he ended up as right back for Ajax.

Billy86

Sporting Clube de Portugal

GK: Beto
RB: Joao Perreira
CB: José Fonte
CB: Daniel Carrico
LB: ???
CM: William Carvalho
CM: Miguel Veloso
CM: Joao Moutinho
WF: Quaresma
WF: Nani
CF: Cristiano Ronaldo

Skylinehead

inforfun wrote: »

Started at Sparta Rotterdam. Was actually already quite old when he ended up as right back for Ajax.

Aha. Vermaelen back in unless someone can suggest a better centre half.

inforfun

That 3 year between 16 and 21 is a **** rule anyway.

It would make Ake, Bruma and Rekik Chelsea and City grown players while they played from 7 till 15 at Feyenoord and that time must have had a whole lot more influence on their abilities than 3 years Chelsea.

Fitz*

Liverpool:
?????
Flanagan Wisdom San Jose Insua
Suso Gerrard Spearing Sterling
Pongolle Ince

Subs: Kelly, Robinson, Guthrie


Seems the best have retired really; Carra, Fowler, Owen, Mcmanaman, Thompson etc

POKERKING

FitzShane wrote: »

Liverpool:
?????
Flanagan Wisdom San Jose Insua
Suso Gerrard Spearing Sterling
Pongolle Ince

Subs: Kelly, Robinson, Guthrie


Seems the best have retired really; Carra, Fowler, Owen, Mcmanaman, Thompson etc

Not great is it? would probably be battling relegation

DoctorGonzo08

bucketybuck wrote: »

The original poster commented that United would be right up there for being one of the worst teams in this scenario, you might not call it the greatest team of all time but the idea that they would be one of the worst team is clearly not true.

I never said they would be one of the worst, and the poster said that the drop in standard from current squad to proposed squad wouldn't be far off the likes suffered by City or Chelsea, which I think is a fair point.

It seems a little like blind support, but if you were to be objective, you can see the point that actually was being made, and not the reason to start an argument.

DoctorGonzo08

inforfun wrote: »

That 3 year between 16 and 21 is a **** rule anyway.

It would make Ake, Bruma and Rekik Chelsea and City grown players while they played from 7 till 15 at Feyenoord and that time must have had a whole lot more influence on their abilities than 3 years Chelsea.

It's this rule that will keep the existing top/rich clubs in contention, as the vast majority of their academy has been bought in from other academies. If this rule was removed, the likes of Chelsea, Utd, City, Arsenal, Real etc would vastly be undermined.

It is also affected by the current crop as going back say 10 years, Utd would be boasting the likes of Beckham, Neville, Scholes. THere would be the above argument for Giggs at City as well.

bucketybuck

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

I never said they would be one of the worst, and the poster said that the drop in standard from current squad to proposed squad wouldn't be far off the likes suffered by City or Chelsea, which I think is a fair point.

It seems a little like blind support, but if you were to be objective, you can see the point that actually was being made, and not the reason to start an argument.

Nope, absolutely nothing to do with blind faith, and the discussion you waded into was indeed about which team would be the worst. Here is the series of posts:

Professional Griefer wrote: »

What about the opposite, who would have the worst team?

RasTa wrote: »

Chelsea or City without much thought put into that answer

Iago wrote: »

I don't know, United would be right up there tbf

bucketybuck wrote: »

TBF nothing, United have an absolute raft of ex-players still playing at a very high level, they would do very well in a scenario like this.

A discussion about the worst team to which you then replied.

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Who? Pogba, Pique, Rossi, Welbeck, Morrison, Fryers, Shawcross, Gibson, O'Shea? Wouldn't really set the world alight tbf.

You were replying to absolutely nobody who said United would set the world alight in that scenario. Hence my response.

DoctorGonzo08

bucketybuck wrote: »

You were replying to absolutely nobody who said United would set the world alight in that scenario. Hence my response.

I was replyng to you who said they would do very well in that situation, and stated their was a 'raft' of ex players playing at the highest level. If you are going to nit pick on terms, ie, 'set the world alight', 'raft' would suggest alot more than is actually there. Hence my question Who? which you never answered.