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  • #52
    scwazrh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    its +/-10mm on the surface plane between corners, and +/-5mmm on the vertical plumb

    BS EN 13914-2 : 2005

    Over what area ?

    Standard in British building regs. is a 2m straight edge and if one of my plasterers skimmed a wall with a 10mm bump in it , they would be sacked straight away. Even though their work would be within the current regulations


  • #53
    duckcfc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 616 ✭✭✭duckcfc


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    its +/-10mm on the surface plane between corners, and +/-5mmm on the vertical plumb

    BS EN 13914-2 : 2005

    Who ever came up with these numbers clearly knows nothing about plastering.


  • #54
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    duckcfc wrote: »
    Who ever came up with these numbers clearly knows nothing about plastering.

    You really are the gift that keeps giving ;)


  • #55
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,802 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    scwazrh wrote: »
    Over what area ?

    Standard in British building regs. is a 2m straight edge and if one of my plasterers skimmed a wall with a 10mm bump in it , they would be sacked straight away. Even though their work would be within the current regulations

    BS Codes are not British building regulations. They are Brittish Standards and out Building Regulations and Technical Guidance Documents are closely linked and in fact our TGD's actually refer to the equivalent BS Cide if it's better or a similar standard.


  • #56
    Bullocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    its +/-10mm on the surface plane between corners, and +/-5mmm on the vertical plumb

    BS EN 13914-2 : 2005

    Thanks syd , I reckon thats loose enough for me to pass within anyhow ! I was stopped €1400 retention money a few years ago because two sides of a reveal were 2mm off square , I think it was more a case of the builder going bust than quality issues really .
    Are the same tolerances applicable to blocklayers or chippies I wonder ?


  • #57
    duckcfc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 616 ✭✭✭duckcfc


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    You really are the gift that keeps giving ;)

    Think about it for a sec now, your saying it can be out 5mm and in 5mm in places and out 10mm and in 10mm. If any plasterer worked with me and left a wall like this, he'd be getting a clip around the ear and a mix of skim threw round him.


  • #58
    duckcfc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 616 ✭✭✭duckcfc


    Bullocks wrote: »
    Thanks syd , I reckon thats loose enough for me to pass within anyhow ! I was stopped €1400 retention money a few years ago because two sides of a reveal were 2mm off square , I think it was more a case of the builder going bust than quality issues really .
    Are the same tolerances applicable to blocklayers or chippies I wonder ?


    A builder didn't give you 1400€ because a reveal was out of sq by 2mm! Am I reading this right. Was the reveal a on small or large window/door?


  • #59
    Bullocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    duckcfc wrote: »
    A builder didn't give you 1400€ because a reveal was out of sq by 2mm! Am I reading this right. Was the reveal a on small or large window/door?

    Two different windows , they were about 4' x 5' in size . He found a side on one and a head on the other were off square . Builder reckoned the engineer wouldn't sign off until they were put right but as I said the builder was running out of money . On the same job the roofer and tiler got similar treatment . He went burst after it so I didn't bother persuing the last few pound


  • #60
    Andrew_Doran
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭Andrew_Doran


    duckcfc wrote: »
    We are plasterers and excellent plasterers at that. We don't need some Micky mouse paper telling us were plasterers. Just between 3 of us(there's more) we have 80 yes experience gathered up plastering, working here and England. Dont think for one min we aren't plasterers and some kid that's just left collage with papers is. If I where needing a plasterer to do work for me, I know what one I'd choose

    Using bits of paper and your pals in government to turn your competitors into criminals overnight is a very old idea.

    The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. -- Tacitus, Roman Senator

    When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed. – Ayn Rand; Atlas Shrugged, 1957

    Gas men
    Electricans
    Architects (arch techs!!)
    Builders
    Who's next - mechanics? hairdressers?


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  • #61
    bertie 56
    Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭bertie 56


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    its +/-10mm on the surface plane between corners, and +/-5mmm on the vertical plumb

    BS EN 13914-2 : 2005

    I understand now why all my shelves are crooked ! :eek:

    :D:D:D


  • #62
    duckcfc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 616 ✭✭✭duckcfc


    bertie 56 wrote: »
    I understand now why all my shelves are crooked ! :eek:

    :D:D:D

    A good joiner would have taken the unevenness out. I take it you done it yourself


  • #63
    duckcfc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 616 ✭✭✭duckcfc


    Andrew_Doran wrote: »
    Using bits of paper and your pals in government to turn your competitors into criminals overnight is a very old idea.

    The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. -- Tacitus, Roman Senator

    When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing—when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors—when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you—when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice—you may know that your society is doomed. – Ayn Rand; Atlas Shrugged, 1957

    Gas men
    Electricans
    Architects (arch techs!!)
    Builders
    Who's next - mechanics? hairdressers?


    What are you trying to say?


  • #64
    bertie 56
    Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭bertie 56


    duckcfc wrote: »
    A good joiner would have taken the unevenness out.

    Yep, the plasterer says " it's because the joiner did a bad job "
    And the joiner says : " it's because the plasterer did a bad job" .

    That's always the same problem... " it's the other one's fault, not mine ! "

    :confused:

    ( it's a fiction story, by the way :rolleyes: )
    But I'm surprised by the +/-10mm and +/-5mmm tolerance , it seems a lot : is it for whichever length of wall, or for a given length ?


  • #65
    whupdedo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    I was always thought plus or minus 3 that was ita.no messing, if I was working with a spread that left 5 mm in a corner of a wall or 10 mm between corners I'd pack my gear and head home


  • #66
    Bullocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    whupdedo wrote: »
    I was always thought plus or minus 3 that was ita.no messing, if I was working with a spread that left 5 mm in a corner of a wall or 10 mm between corners I'd pack my gear and head home

    As my old boss used to say if I told him an eight of an inch was nothing in a wall " an eight of an inch is alot on the top of a mouses flute "


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  • #67
    Strolling Bones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Strolling Bones


    duckcfc wrote: »
    What are you trying to say?

    I think the point is being made is that the day is approcahing when you will need to obtain a plasterers licence. To do only what you have been doing all your working life. And for the benefit only of another govt quango - but of no benefit whatsover to you of course.

    Might not happen either....


  • #68
    duckcfc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 616 ✭✭✭duckcfc


    whupdedo wrote: »
    I was always thought plus or minus 3 that was ita.no messing, if I was working with a spread that left 5 mm in a corner of a wall or 10 mm between corners I'd pack my gear and head home

    I always thought it was 3mm also. Being 10mm out seems madness but hey, some idiot with a suit and computer says that's the way it is so us simple fcukers who've been on site our entire lives have to obey!


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